60GB iPod Coming? 563
An anonymous reader writes "Toshiba today announced that it will offer a 60GB version of its 1.8-inch hard drive in the coming months and that Apple has already placed its order. Cindy Lee, deputy manager of Toshiba's hard disk drive division, said the drive will enter mass production during July or August. All three iPod models (15GB, 20GB, and 40GB) use Toshiba drives, while the iPod mini uses a 4GB 1-inch drive from Hitachi. Lee noted that Toshiba is currently shipping 350,000 of the 1.8-inch drives per month to Apple."
Players with 60Gb drives have been out for a while (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Too much space! (Score:5, Informative)
-17 gig songs (granted, a 4000+ collection is fairly rare... and i could go to 128 instead of 160)
-Encrypted backup disk images of
digital pictures of friends, family, myself
backup documents from all my classes
family guy episodes
-Standard apple iSync stuff (very small, mind you)
contacts, address book, iCal, etc
I have about 3 gigs free right now (not COMPLETELY full, but close). Bear in mind, my music collection continues to grow, and I have stuff from my office that would be nice to have another backup in my pocket... just in case.
So absurd? probably. But if i didn't have an iPod and was given a choice between a 20,40, and 60... i might still jump for the 60. Always better to have room to grow.
Re:Woohoo! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Pricing (Score:5, Informative)
right now
15gig = $299
20 = $399
40gig = $499
it would make sense if....
20 gig = $299
40gig = $399
60gig = $499
or something like that depending on what drives are available
though it depends on what kind of deal Apple get's on the drives..... Apple has said theyw ould like to lower the prices on the iPods as much as possible, but there is a set profit margin. as parts come down in price, so will retail prices. the iPod Mini follows another parts list and plan, and those drives are another manufacturer, so it's price has nothing much to do with this.
Re:more than music (Score:2, Informative)
Re:iPod and UFS (Score:5, Informative)
Just because a linux kernel can read UFS doesn't mean it's GPL'd. Almost any unix including commercial ones like Solaris can use UFS. In fact it is the default filesystem used by Solaris. Nowhere does Sun distribute the source to their UFS implementation.
And then there is this:
$ uname -a
FreeBSD xxxx.xxx 5.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE
$ pwd
$ grep -ir GPL
$
So are the BSD guys violating too? Not likely.
Re:Enough is Enough (Score:4, Informative)
Re:iPod and UFS (Score:4, Informative)
Because its not a GPL'd file system?
UFS stands for UNIX file system, which was originally developed from the first versions of UNIX at AT&T. The file system reached its current status in the 4.x BSD distributions. It it currently used in FreeBSD, NetBSD as well as OpenBSD and the Solaris Operating Environment. Linux support is available, but is not standard.
Now, take a deep breath and repeat after me. Not all that is open source is GPL.
Re:Players with 60Gb drives have been out for a wh (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Too much space! (Score:5, Informative)
Nearly lost a late cut of the film in a mugging as well if the DVD is to be believed.
Re:Gyroscopic effect (Score:3, Informative)
It's legal to, you know, shift the format from CD to ogg/mp3. So I took my entire CD collection (~350 CDs) and ripped them to shiny, high-quality ogg files. All legally. No more scratches, no more blips, no more hunting for disc. I'm listening to them right now, in fact.
It's not a crime to own digital media formats, you know.
Re:How long is the iPod thing going to last? (Score:3, Informative)
But mostly it's a work of art... note that the original doesn't have "moving" buttons...they're all touch sensitive/capacitive so they work with fingers but won't trigger bouncing around in your pocket! and that dial is SO cool...no moving parts!!! all of the other players use tiny cheap plastic 'snappy' buttons, not so easy to use.
Re:They get a better deal than we do... (Score:4, Informative)
Or even the iPod mini... here's the hard drive [google.com] and the mini only costs $249 vs $385 for the stock hard drive.
Re:A bit of an off-shoot... (Score:4, Informative)
The Neuros beats the Karma in a lot of ways. I know this because I have a Neuros and my brother has a Karma. The Neuros can record from line-in (also has a cheap built-in mic which works for recording lectures) to either MP3 or WAV. It can also broadcast over FM radio (which is great for the car / anywhere someone has a radio but no decent music). It works as a normal HD (USB2 now even). The backpack system rocks too: A new 40G USB2 backpack will be running me $260 instead of $330 for a new player (I sort of dropped my 20G backpack one too many times...). With my now dead 20G backpack (gah, making fun of hardcore kids skanking and getting beat up at a death metal show is NOT a smart thing to do with an mp3 player in your hand) the battery backpack has become a lifesaver; even though I can only fit two or three albums on the 128M of flash (the new Neuros II due out in about two weeks has 256M of flash and looks cooler) it's still a lot nicer to carry the Neuros around than my two CD binders (270 discs now ... that's too many to carry around safely).
The Karma, on the other hand, has better playlist management and a much better equalizer (parametric eqs are fun...but only if you know what you are doing). The visualizations are nice and all but are basically just useless (and battery draining) eye candy. I'd gladly take a Neuros over a Karma any day. If the Neuros would release 1.8" drive based backpacks...the iPod would be dead in a minute. Size is the only thing holding it back now that Firmware 2.x supports all of the things people have been asking for since the beginning.
And if you're looking for just a portable hard drive, you can always get a USB2 backpack from the Neuros store [neurosaudio.com], a power adaptor, and a USB2 cable...all for around $300 total for a portable HD (the USB2 packpacks can operate as standalone hard drives without the head) that can operate on its built in battery for a while (which is great for quick transfers; at USB2 speed I've found that I can copy the entire drive in around 15 minutes and without needed the power cable at all). If you get the urge to listen to music it's only $100 more to get a head for your backpack.
And think about the guy who has 160G of music. Just grab a few 40G backpacks and swap between them; much cheaper than getting the same number of Karmas or iPods. 60G backpacks are supposed to be released sometime soonish too (and 1.8" HD backpacks...in December; they may or may not meet it...but the Neuros II is at least confirmed as shipping June 10 because several resellers have been preselling it).
Real world - drives are like a tank (Score:5, Informative)
I think few things short of a sledge hammer are even going to make the iPod skip, much less harm the drive. I have yet to ever hear the iPod skip for any reason.
I did have a little less luck with a portable photo storage device that used an HD - I was jogging along with it in the lower pocket of my shorts bouncing against my leg while it was writing files from a CF card to the HD. In that case I did manage to get one bad sector on the drive, but that was pretty good considering the abuse it was going through (I wanted to see what extremes it could take for shock while operating). I don't know if that drive (standard laptop drive) was any differently speced than the iPod drive though.
Re:iPod and UFS (Score:3, Informative)
Re:iPod and UFS (Score:5, Informative)
here's a fantastic idea,
instead of removing the hdd from your ipod and potentially voiding your warranty say y or m to;
"CONFIG_SCSI", "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD", "CONFIG_IEEE1394", "CONFIG_IEEE1394_SBP2"
reboot with your new kernel (or modprobe the modules) connect your ipod and mount as you did before (except it will appear as a scsi disk)
Re:Drives? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Affordable harddrive sub $100 MP3 players ? (Score:4, Informative)
Sorry to shoot your idea down so harshly, but now you know the reason no one makes portable mp3 players with 3.5" drives.
Re:Use for 60GB HD (Score:3, Informative)
Re:more than music (Score:5, Informative)
iRiver iHP-120 (Score:3, Informative)
Sure it could do many of those in the future with a firmware upgrade, but it does none of those things today. And the firmware upgrade iRiver promised for May has been delayed.
Still, the USB-STORAGE class and OGG support and long battery life are enough for me to keep the unit and wait out the firmware upgrades when they come, if ever...
The only other unit which comes close is the Rio Karma -- and that has serious reliability problems with the hard drive. And it doesnt have USB-STORAGE class.
Re:Too much space! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:"ALLLOT" IS NOT A WORD! (Score:2, Informative)
Spelling my fucking arse, you don't even know your Simpsons references.
Good on ya, man ! (Score:2, Informative)
As an employer, I can GUARANTEE you that I won't hire anyone who has poor grammar or spelling.
The job market is such that I can send such people away with complete confidence that someone with a good command of at least one language will appear in his place.
All you lazy semi-literate slobs out there should be ashamed.
Re:"ALLLOT" IS NOT A WORD! (Score:5, Informative)
In spite of your errant pedantry, some of your points are plainly wrong.
irregadless is most definitely a word. The OED, Webster's, and the American Heritage Dictionary all contain it as a listed item. (While all "words" are not necessarily listed, all listed items are necessarily words.) It's got nearly a century of documented history. Its usage may be discouraged, but it is nevertheless a word.
virii actually IS a word, however sad this fact may be. Its use is restricted to very specific groups, which qualifies it as part of a specific linguistic register (sort of like a dialect within a social subgroup of a population). So, "virii" is the plural of "virus" in and only in the context of computer viruses being discussed by the sorts of people who think writing them is a good way to spend an afternoon and their ilk. (You may find the discussion of plurals of virus in English & Latin to be found here [linguistlist.org] of some interest. But these facts about what ought to be the correct plural according to English & Latin morphological rules do not discount the fact that "virii" entered one register of the English language via a route that "smacks of pseudo-pedantry.")
And, saddest of all, though this day has not yet come, alot will one day be a grammatical word in the English langauge. Words like "altogether", "instead", "nonetheless", "amiss", "already", and "alright" (the last of which is still in the process of gaining acceptance), all attest to the process by which words that frequently collocate coalesce into new words. Thankfully, we'll probably all be dead before "alot" becomes kosher in formal writing.
Re:"ALLLOT" IS NOT A WORD! (Score:2, Informative)
Incorrect. Quoted from m-w.com:
Just to whet your grammarian appetite, squoze [bartleby.com] is in the dictionary, too. My next mission: Find the word "shooted" in a popular dictionary.
virii is not a word.
Virii is as much not a word as smush is not a word. It's a play on words, and a funny one at that. If you don't share my humour, that's your prerogative. That said, almost 1/2 million people do (check regular google & groups). Belittling people who use it amongst supposed friends who perfectly understand its meaning as a computer related only entity disparate from animal viruses is petty, and, overall, not cool. Especially when you, yourself, know the meaning.
In sum, good comment.
Re:60GB... but anything else? (Score:3, Informative)
two words (Score:3, Informative)
it's apple's new USP.
Re:Enough is Enough (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Enough is Enough (Score:3, Informative)
From an audio thief's POV (Score:1, Informative)
Digital Pics on iPod (Score:4, Informative)
Heck, yeah. If I had an iPod, I'd be all over this media reader [drbott.com]. It's a bit bulky, but you can download photos to it, then when you sync up with iPhoto once you get back to your computer, it keeps the shots in the "rolls" you shot them in. Nice.
Re:Drives? (Score:2, Informative)
The drives are probably comming from Toshiba. See, Lee says that they are currently shipping 350,000 1.8 inch drives:
The article has some slopping editing. I imagine the 2.5 units are for the i/Power-Books.
Re:Use for 60GB HD (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Too much space! (Score:3, Informative)
Ummm, you are referring to AAC. He was referring to Apple Lossless, which is.........wait for it.........lossless.
Re:Too much space! (Score:4, Informative)
[Fnord:/Users] fred% ls -Fal
(snippity)
drwxr-xr-x 4 fred fred 136 5 Nov 2003
drwx------ 69 fred fred 2346 2 Jun 17:02 fred/
(snippity)
[Fnord:/Users] fred% ls -Fal
(snippity)
-rwxr--r-- 1 fred fred 7476502528 3 Jun 16:17 fred.sparseimage*
So, basically, in your
- A link of some kind to
- A directory called
In the directory called
Have fun.
-fred