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How To Play Your iTunes Music On Other Systems 243

ptorrone writes "Engadget has a step-by-step for the non-uber geek on how to play your purchased music from iTunes on other systems. To be clear, this isn't a way to take music you bought and give it to someone else, this is so you can listen to your own purchased music on other systems or devices. In fact, your personal info is still in the file."
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How To Play Your iTunes Music On Other Systems

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  • Sweet! (Score:5, Informative)

    by djhankb ( 254226 ) on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @08:36PM (#9191258) Homepage
    I've purchased a bunch of em.
    My previous solution was to burn then to CD, then rip them using something else, like Grip under linux.

    my 2

    -H
  • by euphonaesthesia ( 780368 ) on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @08:40PM (#9191286)
    Same way. From the article:
    hymm started out as "Playfair" which was on Sourceforge, where you could grab the source / program. Then, Apple had requested for it to be removed, so PlayFair outsourced itself to India, where it was later removed, again. Now the application is called "hymn", or "hear your music anywhere". [...]
  • Re:Cool... But... (Score:5, Informative)

    by DaHat ( 247651 ) on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @08:47PM (#9191344)
    This is NOT a legal method!

    By purchasing songs from the iTMS you have contractually agreed NOT to bypass their DRM system in anyway other than those provided (ie burning to cd and re-ripping). Any other means, such as this is a violation of said contract and you are liable for any and all damages, regardless of if they are actual (ie 10,000 people didn't buy a CD because they got the song from you instead) or imaginary (ie they think 10,000 didn't buy a CD because they had the remote ability to get the song from you).
  • Easier with VLC (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @08:48PM (#9191352)
    13 steps to play your songs?

    I prefer this 3 step procedure instead:

    1. Install VLC [videolan.org].
    2. Open your M4P file in VLC.
    3. Click play.

    That's it!
  • Re:4 cents (Score:3, Informative)

    by DaHat ( 247651 ) on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @08:50PM (#9191364)
    WRAAAAAG! At times it feels like I'm the only one who recognizes that fair use does not apply when you have contractually agreed not to bypass the DRM... for further info, see some of my other posts in this thread.
  • Re:Sweet! (Score:2, Informative)

    by Milo of Kroton ( 780850 ) <milo.of.kroton ( a t ) gmail.com> on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @08:55PM (#9191393) Journal
    CDEX works well for it too, or if you can play it in some other players with a .wav output.
  • by Polarism ( 736984 ) on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @08:55PM (#9191394)
    Step 1: Use iTunes to burn a CD with whatever songs you bought and want to burn.

    Step 2: Use winamp to rip the CD to your computer.

    Step 3: Enjoy restriction-less CDs and MP3s.

    Then again, I stopped using iTunes now too..
  • Re:It just works? (Score:5, Informative)

    by scorpioX ( 96322 ) on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @09:05PM (#9191463)
    On OS X, Apple added a special flag to the kernel execve() call that will not allow a debugger (gdb) to attach to a process that sets this flag. They did this specifically for DVD Player (at the behest of the MPAA) and for iTunes (maybe a condition of their contract with the RIAA?) so that people could not attach and get the decrypted key (or trace the encryption method). I suspect (but don't know for sure) that iTunes on windows does not have this "protection" and someone attached to it with SoftIce and got the key or RE'd the encryption method.

    The same "protection" was used in the OS 9 DVD player so that MacsBug could not attach to the player. But with that, DVD player just refused to run if it detected MacsBug was loaded.
  • Re:strange name, eh? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @09:08PM (#9191488)
    Hymen is the word you meant.
  • Re:Not necissarily (Score:3, Informative)

    by arkhan_jg ( 618674 ) on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @09:47PM (#9191756)
    The contract stiplulates the penalty for breaking the contract: refusal of service.

    Right. Which means if you run PlayFair or Hymn or I'mABigScriptKiddieLookAtMeWoo or whatever on one of your iTunes songs, you are no longer legally authorized to listen to any of your iTunes songs. You are, at that point, engaging in copyright violation, which if you do it enough is a felony!

    Simply not true. once they've sold you a track, the doctrine of first sale applies, and apple CANNOT impose greater restrictions than copyright law allows. Copyright law prevents you distributing copies (and a few other rights such as not pretending you wrote the music). Nothing else.

    It specifically does not prevent you playing those tracks back. If you violate your TOS with apple, they can refuse to sell you any more tracks, but they cannot prevent you using, decoding, transcoding, ripping, or even deleting your existing itunes tracks. They can sue you if you give them to others, nothing else. Once they've taken your money, and the sale is completed, the contract with them regarding that track is over.
  • Burn, Rip? (Score:3, Informative)

    by pclinger ( 114364 ) * on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @09:56PM (#9191804) Homepage Journal
    Is it just me, or can't you just burn the cd, then rip it into mp3? Is this against the iTunes EULA? Or do people just not want to do this because they feel they are going to lose some minor amount of sound quality doing this?
  • by David Hume ( 200499 ) on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @09:57PM (#9191812) Homepage

    Not necissarily Breaking a contract is not necissarily illegal

    Merely breaking a contract is not "illegal" if by "illegal" you mean "criminal" (as opposed to incurring only civil liability). However, violation of the DMCA may (or may not) be "illegal" -- i.e., criminal. The DMCA, and particularly 17 U.S.C. sec. 1201(b) [cornell.edu] provides in pertinent part:

    (b) Additional Violations. -

    (1)
    No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that -

    (A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof;

    (B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof; or

    (C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof.

    17 U.S.C. sec. 1201(b) [cornell.edu] (emphasis added)

    It appears the software in question violates section 1201(b). I suspect the DMCA takedown notice is on the way.

    However, it does not appear there is any criminal (as opposed to civil) liability. 17 U.S.C. sec. 1204(a) [cornell.edu] provides in relevant part:

    Sec. 1204. - Criminal offenses and penalties

    (a) In General. -

    Any person who violates section 1201 or 1202 willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain -

    (1) shall be fined not more than $500,000 or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both, for the first offense; and

    (2) shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both, for any subsequent offense.

    17 U.S.C. sec. 1204(a) [cornell.edu] (emphasis added). Because the author of the software at issue doe not appear to be acting "for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain," it looks like there is no criminal liability.

    On the other hand, the potential civil liability is substantial. 17 U.S.C. sec. 1203(c) [cornell.edu] provides in relevant part:

    (c) Award of Damages. -

    (1) In general. -

    Except as otherwise provided in this title, a person committing a violation of section 1201 or 1202 is liable for either -

    (A) the actual damages and any additional profits of the violator, as provided in paragraph (2), or

    (B) statutory damages, as provided in paragraph (3).

    (2) Actual damages. -

    The court shall award to the complaining party the actual damages suffered by the party as a result of the violation, and any profits of the violator that are attributable to the violation and are not taken into account in computing the actual damages, if the complaining party elects such damages at any time before final judgment is entered.

    (3) Statutory damages.

  • Re:Not necissarily (Score:3, Informative)

    by cpt kangarooski ( 3773 ) on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @10:01PM (#9191840) Homepage
    Copyright only deals with distribution.

    No.

    Copyright deals with half an assload of different things. Distribution is one of them, but only one of them.

    The biggies are reproduction, creation of derivatives, distribution, and certain public performances or displays. Read 17 USC 106.

    You may also want to read MAI v. Peak, and Utah Lighthouse v. Intellectual Reserve, which go into some detail as to how things already on your computer can be copied illegally without leaving.
  • Re:Not necissarily (Score:5, Informative)

    by DaHat ( 247651 ) on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @10:07PM (#9191882)
    The ultimate question is regarding distribution.

    This evening while looking for something completely unrelated I found an interesting page providing some case law regarding emulation at: http://www.worldofspectrum.org/EmuFAQ2000/Appendix B.htm [worldofspectrum.org]

    Quoting from it:

    Playboy Enterprises, Inc. v. George Frena. 839 F.Supp. 1552 (M.D. Fla., 1993).
    George Frena, the sysop of the Techs Warehouse BBS, had 170 digitized images from both Playboy and Playgirl magazine posted to his computerized bulletin board system. The two magazines were commercial adult publications protected under copyright law. Playboy Enterprises, owner and publisher of both magazines, sued Frena for copyright infringement. The Federal District Court acknowledged Frena's claims that the uploading had been done by his users without his approval; however, it still found him liable for intellectual property violation. It ruled that Frena's users had illegaly copied the pictures by digitizing them; furthermore, Frena had infringed on exclusive vendor distribution rights by making the pictures available for download by his users. It also found Frena in violation of trademark law, since the infringing material contained registered trademarks belonging to Playboy Enterprises (the Playboy and Playgirl logos).

    This case established two things. First, courts can find against a defendant in an intellectual property dispute whether or not the defendant is aware of such activity. Second, intellectual property protection extends to all copies of a given work regardless of how they are made or the media on which they are presented.

    It would not be hard for a plaintiff to argue that in bypassing a DRM system, the resulting file could very easily end up being copied by potentially thousands and thousands of users, with or with out the knowledge of the original copier of the file give how most P2P apps work.

    There does exist the principal of "substantial non infringing use", however when a system exists to prevent rampant copying and is bypassed, it is not unheard of (and some would say not unreasonable) for a content owner/licensee owner (ie Apple) to fear unauthorized distribution and sue preemptively.
  • Re:Not necissarily (Score:5, Informative)

    by arkhan_jg ( 618674 ) on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @10:07PM (#9191887)
    Oops, hit enter too quickly. The DMCA does not prevent you using a DRM-circumvention tool, but it does prevent you writing one in the US, or distributing it in the US.

    If it's hosted offshore from the US, then it's not illegal under the DMCA to download and use it on something you legally own.
  • by dpete4552 ( 310481 ) <slashdot@@@tuxcontact...com> on Tuesday May 18, 2004 @11:28PM (#9192354) Homepage
    I actually find it easier to just drag the file into Playfair and have it spit out a perfect non-DRM copy (ID3 tags and album art included) than it is to burn it to an audio CD, and then re-rip it to an mp3 and reenter any meta info that was lost in the process (e.g. album art).
  • Re:Not necissarily (Score:3, Informative)

    by Kiryat Malachi ( 177258 ) on Wednesday May 19, 2004 @12:04AM (#9192524) Journal
    Interestingly enough, however, playing a song over the radio is not controlled by the sound recording copyright (the right which controls almost all other forms of distribution) but by the song writer's copyright.

    This is *only* true in the US.
  • Re:Not necissarily (Score:3, Informative)

    by Phillup ( 317168 ) on Wednesday May 19, 2004 @12:27AM (#9192611)
    Breaking a contract is not illegal, but the legal system can be used by one party to seek recourse from the other party.

    Can be... not must.

    And, to the best of my knowledge... the government, or any other entity, has no standing to bring chages for breach of contract unless it is a party to the contract.

    It is a PRIVATE matter.

    Of course, IANAL... and YMMV... and void unless otherwise prohibited... etc...
  • GUI (Score:4, Informative)

    by ahoehn ( 301327 ) * <andrew AT hoe DOT hn> on Wednesday May 19, 2004 @02:29AM (#9193049) Homepage
    If you hate the command line, like I do, you can download a GUI wrapper for the Windows version of HYMN at http://stilleye.com/hymn.net/
  • by wnorris ( 106217 ) on Wednesday May 19, 2004 @04:40AM (#9193483) Homepage
    perhaps i'm unclear... are you suggesting to write to sony, dell, et al and ask them to support m4p files? It's not that they don't want to... who wouldn't want to have a piece of apple's pie? - iTMS is by far the largest online music store around. the problem is that apple hasn't released the specs on fairplay, so these other manufacturers physically can't create a player that will play m4p files.

It's a naive, domestic operating system without any breeding, but I think you'll be amused by its presumption.

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