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iTunes 4.5 Authentication Cracked 725

fooishbar writes "Yesterday, Apple released iTunes 4.5, which deliberately broke the 4.2 authentication scheme, which had been successfully reverse-engineered. However, crazney has been at it again, and within 24 hours of downloading iTunes 4.5, has broken the new scheme, and added more features to this library along the way. If you want to incorporate iTMS support in your program, give libopendaap a go!" Reader ScottGant submits this story about the Pepsi/iTunes promotion: "News.com has this story about Pepsi's iTunes promotion give-away. The promotion, which is slated to end this Friday, was to have given away 100 million tracks through Apple's iTunes music site. But according to Apple on Wednesday, only about 5 million free songs have been redeemed."
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  • by RobertB-DC ( 622190 ) * on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:44PM (#9008478) Homepage Journal
    I collected iTunes numbers, more for the heck of it than anything else. But I figured I'd go ahead and use one when my daughter had trouble believing that someone -- she didn't know Who [bbc.co.uk] -- had recorded "Behind Blue Eyes" before Limp Bizkit.

    So I took my number and went to iTunes.com. What a mess! What I was looking for was a place where I could enter my code and get a song. Instead, there was a confusing assortment of links like "Download", "Music Store", "Jukebox"... noplace that says "Enter your code here".

    Now, I'm savvy enough to figure out that I'm going to have to download Apple's special player, run it, and *then* enter my code. But they didn't put the codes on the Slashdot homepage... they put them under the lips of Slurpee [bradfitz.com] cups. If you want to appeal to Joe Slurpee, you need to learn from the "spank the monkey" advertisers: make it mind-numbingly simple.

    Here's what I'd have done, if Apple had any interest in hiring an old VB hand. Put a textbox right in the middle of the itunes.com page. Put a big button next to it that says "Download song and player". Generate an install packet that's already got the free song code in it. If the installer sees that iTunes is already installed, just feed it the song code, otherwise install and download.

    Joe Slurpee sees: enter code, push button, hear song.

    So... anyone want my leftover iTunes codes?
  • Fantastic. (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Sheetrock ( 152993 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:44PM (#9008480) Homepage Journal
    By all means, keep antagonizing the best online music provider with these innovations. I don't know what endgame they're working towards, if any, but the two possibilities I can think of are Apple making a foolproof DRM scheme and cracking down on the freedoms they today permit or Apple deciding this market just isn't worth it and pulling down the service entirely.

    This reminds me of a historical anecdote. One of the many advancements made under Lord Tokugawa's rule, which is arguably the point at which Japan began to transform into the powerhouse of technological innovation we know and love today, was the world's first sukaisukure ('skyscraper'). Built as the southernmost endpoint of the Great Wall to commemorate its completion, the sukaisukure could hardly compare to today's structures; however, given that its architecture predated the use of steel in building design it stands as a testament to Tokugawa's extraordinary vision.

    Despite Tokugawa's status as a visionary, he could not contend with the constant threat of an armed and discontented populace -- to secure his reign, he confiscated the weapons of the lower classes and permitted only those of samurai rank or higher to carry swords. Viewed as a tyrannical measure that sowed some degree of discontent, this nevertheless permitted Tokugawa's innovations to come to fruition and ultimately benefit society.

    Apple is in a similar situation. They are at the bleeding edge of the industry, particularly in relation to the music industry's philosophies, and need desparately to prove that this model works. They can't afford to look on these hacks with benevolence because they've got to work with the RIAA and affiliated labels just to make the music available. Can't the people who want their music in freer formats simply buy it on CD and convert it for their own use -- thereby voting with their dollars for a better scheme -- rather than creating software that threatens Apple's relationship with its business partner and ultimately its customers via the policies it has to adopt in reaction?

  • by m0rph3us0 ( 549631 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:45PM (#9008494)
    First Sale Doctorine. You can do what you want with things you purchase.
  • No they didn't (Score:5, Insightful)

    by CptChipJew ( 301983 ) <{michaelmiller} {at} {gmail.com}> on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:45PM (#9008501) Journal
    I've worked for marketing companies that created similar promotions for their clients. Promotions like this are created with the full knowledge that the vast majority of winning caps will be tossed. 5% is actually a pretty strong number considering the L.A. Lakers caps they had in L.A. were only redeemed at a rate of 1.2 % (You got $10 off at Foot Locker) Have you noticed that 90% of the time McDonalds announces "We're giving away a million dollars!" that you never hear about anybody winning the prize?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:48PM (#9008539)
    Their new strategy seems to be fixed, and it's a strict policy of lip service. If they make sure:

    - The De-Fairplay utilities don't have public development sites, and instead are forced to be these little files passed around on USENET and P2P and slashdot like they're some sort of contraband, well out of the public eye

    - The way things work change just *SLIGHTLY* with every minor release of iTunes, causing all the De-Fairplay utilities to have to be updated with every minor release

    Then, well. The slashdotters get to keep their de-Fairplay utilities and use them as much as they want; and from the RIAA's perspective, Apple's "doing something" about piracy, because there's no longer a publically visible way to crack Fairplay, and so they don't revoke Apple's license to sell music. Everybody wins! Except our civil liberties.
  • by scifience ( 674659 ) * <webmaster@scifience.net> on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:49PM (#9008568) Homepage
    If Apple doesn't want people to hack iTunes, they need to provide a way of playing the files on operating systems other than Windows and Mac OS.

    Most people who are using these hacks aren't using them to illegally copy music, but are using them to play the songs they purchased on unsupported hardware. As far as I'm concerned, this constitutes fair use.

  • by BRSQUIRRL ( 69271 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:51PM (#9008596)
    Ii might have something to do with the inconvenience of downloading and installing iTunes, creating an account (which includes entering a credit card number), and then finally entering the code and picking a song.

    But I think more importantly, the vast majority of people simply don't know much about iTunes (or don't even know what it IS). I dug a lot of "one free song" bottle caps out of the wastebaskets in our office because people didn't have a clue what they were...however, once I showed them how to redeem them, their reaction was usually something like "I can get any song I want?!? COOL!". This leads me to believe that Apple still has a ways to go in terms of public interest and awareness of the online music store scene...which is actually an exciting opportunity for them.
  • Wrong way round (Score:2, Insightful)

    by LordK2002 ( 672528 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:53PM (#9008628)
    any hacks to break the DRM scheme will be thwarted by Apple eventually
    Wrong way round. Any hacks that Apple implements to enforce DRM will be thwarted by geeks eventually (and usually sooner rather than later).

    For better or for worse, DRM is a battle that content providers will lose.

    K

  • Arms race (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Erbo ( 384 ) <amygalert@nOsPaM.gmail.com> on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:53PM (#9008632) Homepage Journal
    The "arms race" has definitely begun. And, from all indications thusfar, this one will be hard-fought.

    In the end, though, if this stays a technology arms race, Apple will lose. Why? Because most of the smart people in the world don't work for Apple. (That's also true even for Microsoft, incidentally.)

    Apple will have to take another tack if they want to preserve the integrity of the iTunes DRM. What that'll be, I dunno, but I hope they don't resort to suing their customers.

  • Good? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by wanerious ( 712877 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:53PM (#9008634) Homepage
    And cracking the authentication scheme is considered ... good? I love iTunes and the iTMS. If Apple pulls out of the market because it tires of people breaking their rules out of a overblown sense of entitlement, we'll all be worse off.
  • by Sanity ( 1431 ) * on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:54PM (#9008641) Homepage Journal
    By all means, keep antagonizing the best online music provider with these innovations.
    Why don't you just marry Steve Jobs and get it over with?

    Some people here have their tongues so far up Apple's ass that they are even willing to defend their DRM technology, and attack those that work around it.

    Shame on anyone that is defending Apple here but didn't defend the MPAA's attack on DECSS.

  • Blind eye (Score:2, Insightful)

    by pumpknhd ( 575415 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:55PM (#9008661)
    Apple's authentication scheme is probably just placed to satisfy the RIAA. Not wanting to alienate their user base, and likely their most vocal supporters, Apple is just turning a blind eye. RIAA is happy, and iTunes users are happy.

    Sun Tzu on the Art of War: Attack your allies to weaken your enemy
  • Re:No they didn't (Score:2, Insightful)

    by LOL WTF OMG!!!!!!!!! ( 768357 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:56PM (#9008669) Journal
    It was $10 off of any $50 or more purchase.

    Of course Nike's do cost $1.50 to manufacture (this is not an exaggeration), but still 20% off ain't none too bad.
  • by eatmadust ( 740035 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @12:58PM (#9008693)
    DRM is evil (or at least user-unfriendly), yes ... but this just means that WMA will be more used where DRM is 'needed'. To be honest, I'd prefer a DRMed iTunes song (that I can burn to CD, put on an iPod and play on several different PCs) than a WMA (more restrictions, only playable in Windows Media Player, and disgusting compression!) OGG rules :)
  • by amdg ( 614020 ) <amdg.mac@com> on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:02PM (#9008727) Homepage

    Last I checked, you can just buy the CD at the store that contains no DRM at all.

    The problem is that you never know what you are going to get when you buy a CD. Many CDs these days come with DRM that stops you from playing the songs on computers and even some stereos. And you don't know until you try it at which point the stores won't let you return it because it was opened. So given the choice between a useless, ~$15, round, shiny piece of sh... err... plastic or a ~$10 downloaded album that I can burn to a CD, copy to my iPod, or play on 5 different computers, I think the choice is obvious. The phrase "lesser of two evils" comes to mind.

  • by goon america ( 536413 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:03PM (#9008742) Homepage Journal
    That's way less than they anticipated. Only 5 million out of 100 knocked me flat.

    100 miliion is the maximum possible number of redemptions; that's the number of winning labels they printed. You'd have to expect every single winning label to be redeemed to reach that number.

    Apple expected of the 100 million winning labels, about 30% would ultimately be redeemed, or 30 million. 5 million compared to that isn't good, but it's better than compared to 100 million. I blame Pepsi's rather lackluster promotion efforts in part (a brief, off-handed mention in a commercial that ran once during the superbowl).

  • by Infonaut ( 96956 ) <infonaut@gmail.com> on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:03PM (#9008745) Homepage Journal
    "Hah! I cracked it in a matter of hours!"

    Ok, you're a clever guy. We get the message.

    But is your ego helping those of us who would like the RIAA to see the light and start being more open in their approach to digital music?

  • by RatBastard ( 949 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:04PM (#9008747) Homepage
    But you knew going in that iTunes only runs under MacOS and Windows. You knew that when you agreed to the EULA. You agreed to their conditions when you signed up.

    You are under obligation to abide by the terms of the agreement you entered with Apple. Apple is under no obligation to support every OS out there.

    If you don't like the conditions Apple places in iTunes Music Store, including the limited number of supported platforms, don't use the service.
  • by Burgundy Advocate ( 313960 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:04PM (#9008752) Homepage
    Indeed. My personal information costs $0.99...
  • by scifience ( 674659 ) * <webmaster@scifience.net> on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:08PM (#9008805) Homepage
    And use what other service instead? Oh, that's right, there aren't any legal music download services that work on Linux.

    I think that it is much better to crack iTunes's file format so I can play the songs I legally purchased than to download songs completely illegally over a P2P network.

  • by pla ( 258480 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:10PM (#9008828) Journal
    So, as far as I am concerned, they've fucked themselves on this one.

    Other people's comments aside (about the CC field as optional for a signup), why would you say they fucked themselves?

    They got the PR associated with giving away $100M worth of stuff. They only had to pay out $5M (less, since this certainly doesn't cost them as much as it would cost an actual customer). And you say they fucked themselves?

    More like they fucked us. At least they used lube, but still... "Distribution problems" my ass. For anyone who considers every aspect of this as anything but well thought out and perfectly coordinated, I have a bridge to sell you...
  • Re:Fantastic. (Score:1, Insightful)

    by bogie ( 31020 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:11PM (#9008837) Journal
    Better that Apple and DRM fail completely and we are stuck with Store bought CD's then we move to a market where all music has DRM built in and you have no freedom. Sorry but beyond letting you avoid buying entire albums Apple isn't doing anyone any favors with the Itunes store and they certainly aren't contributing to World Peace.

    "I don't know what endgame they're working towards,"

    Oh, but I know what Apple's endgame is. Gaining complete control over your music collection and deciding what you are and are not allowed to do. Witness the restrictions which are already increasing. 10 burns to 7? What next? Did you really think that Apple's "loophole" of allowing you to go DRM->CD->non-drm was going to last forever? The endgame for Apple and the rest of the online music industry to completely take away any rights you might once have had with regard to doing what you want with your music. Eventually there will come a time when people forget that you didn't had to have a license for every God dam machine you wanted to play music on.

    If the current "Apple" model wins eventually we will all lose. You need to get over your whole benevolent dictator fantasy if you think that was ever going to be the long term model for online music sales. Better we force their hand now then slowly get caught up in their DRM like a lobster in a pot heating up on a stove. If you don't get out now you never will.
  • Hooray! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cubicledrone ( 681598 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:13PM (#9008866)
    It's a great day! We found a new way to screw over the one company who actually found a way to provide what everyone said they wanted: convenient, electronic distribution of music at a fair price.

    But wait, that's not really what they wanted. What they really want is stores with no cash registers and libraries of thousands of pieces of music representing the creative efforts of generations of people while valuing those libraries at zero.

    Oh, and they also want to complain about greed.
  • by crackshoe ( 751995 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:13PM (#9008867)
    yeah, i upgraded it. and i don't think i'll never need a workaround (although at some point i anticipate apple doing the whole "unless you upgrade your OS for 130 bucks you can't get the latest versions of this software" like they did with safari. my main point was that they're forcing the upgrade via incompatibility -- i have no problem upgrading, but i was pointing it out for everyones benefit.
  • Dear God... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:14PM (#9008875)
    Here's a thought for you who didn't find a Pepsi Bottle with a yellow cap: TRY ANOTHER STORE. Just becaue 9/10 stores in my immediate area don't sell Sobe's Love Bus Brew, ndoesn't mean I won't travel somewhere that does.

    To those who couldn't find where to insert your code on iTunes. USE YOUR EYES. It was right there on the front page: "PEPSI iTUNES GIVEAWAY." With a Pepsi logo with headphones on it. Click on it, insert your code, then it says ONE FREE SONG in the upper right hand corner. Find a song, click DONWLOAD, and it downloads it free.

    To those complaining about having to use a credit card: How else are you going to pay for the songs you download? Food stamps?!

    And about the DRM. c'mon people. Apple has to play the game of the law and the game of the recording industry in order to sell these things. But you tell me. How many other service let you KEEP the rights to the songs you bought, allowing them to be burned with the only restriction: Can only burn the same PLAYLIST 7 times to CD....Hell, Add or subtract a song from that playlist and you have a whole new playlist ready to burn.

    People...just have no sense of reason. This is the BEST legal download service available on the market. Plus, the software is free, and is THE BEST jukebox software, on ANY platform.

    Even WINBLOWS users are stating that "opinion." Should be more like fact if you compare all the others.
  • by shark72 ( 702619 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:20PM (#9008939)

    "I don't know why they bother trying to up the security. There is no way to secure media content that is compatible with mass distribution."

    It's the "a little goes a long way" paradigm. There's not a car lock that will stop a sophisticated thief who wants your car, but it stops 90% of the punters. Same with locks on doors and copy protection on computer games and gaming consoles. There are likely professional car thieves who also wonder out loud why the car manufacturers don't just give up because it's a losing battle, etc., but it's not going to happen, either.

    "They need to work on their business model, because this piecemeal anti-cracking stuff is a joke."

    Apple has sold 70 million songs in their first year, and the iTMS is the most wildly successful of any of the legitimate download services, by a wide margin. I think their business model suits them just fine. Remember, Slashdot readers != the general populace. The little annoyances of playing cat-and-mouse with the "all music must be free" crowd is just one part of doing business and is similar to the fraud and theft issues that many other retailers deal with.

  • by voss ( 52565 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:25PM (#9008998)
    Itunes maybe drm but they consistently have the most generous terms and usage limits. They also are reasonably priced. They put out a good product at a fair price...and they dont charge subscriptions. They are also the only paid song program for Mac users.

    Itunes is a good thing , and if you hack their songs without paying you are a thief. It is not like Kazaa where you might say there is no victim, Itunes is based on selling its product,and if Itunes fails mac users are screwed.

    If there is someday an Itunes for Linux are you going to hack that until it dies too?

  • by IamTheRealMike ( 537420 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:26PM (#9009006)
    People seem to be conflating two unrelated things. iTunes can stream music from its library to other clients on the network. This is entirely independent from iTMS, the music streamed by DAAP can easily be music you ripped yourself.

    So really this has nothing to do with hurting Apple, or not agreeing to a "EULA", and it has everything to do with Apple cynically attempting to manipulate network effects. Your brother sharing his CD collection on the home network using iTunes? You can't use WinAmp, WMP, RhythmBox, Muine or whatever to access that, you have to use iTunes too. Then when you share your music, it cascades onwards.

    This is especially true in places like homes, student flats and college networks, like the ones crazney is on. Really, Apple have no excuse for this: restricting DAAP can only have one goal and that is to use peer-power of the type that keeps Windows entrenched to give iTunes an upper hand. As such it frankly deserves to be cracked.

    I know crazney. He's a good guy. We talk often - he isn't out to screw Apple or steal music. He wants to play the music on his Mac laptop using the iTunes streaming system: this seems totally fair to me.

  • by Eliman ( 614899 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:38PM (#9009167)
    Perhaps you don't understand: libopendaap isn't about hacking iTunes. libopendaap is about other programs "talking daap" with other programs (and specifically iTunes). It's about interoperability; interoperability is perfectly legal.
  • by metamatic ( 202216 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:42PM (#9009230) Homepage Journal
    The authentication doesn't just prevent DRM-removal. It also cripples iTunes' ability to connect to non-iTunes music shares.

    I have my entire music library--which, incidentally, is 100% legal and paid for--on a Linux server running daapd. iTunes 4.5 broke iTunes so I could no longer pay my legally purchased music on my Macintosh.

    Fortunately, the maintainer of daapd worked out the fix about as quickly as the maintainer of libopendaap did, and I've been able to upgrade iTunes after all.

    Make no mistake, Apple's screwing around does have a negative impact on their customers, even the ones who haven't infringed copyright.
  • Re:No they didn't (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:45PM (#9009276)
    No wonder this didn't make noteable headlines, look at the day the report was released =/
  • by groomed ( 202061 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:46PM (#9009283)
    The target group for this just wasn't that big.

    1) Most people don't care about music. They put on the radio, and will buy a "Greatest Hits" collection perhaps once every 6 months, but that's about it.

    2) The number of people who can be bothered to check out the iTMS, and know how to find Apple's software, and are savvy Internet users, is a minority of a minority of a minority. Sure, if all you read are trade rags on the Internet, you'd think it was the Second Coming of the Messiah. But most people couldn't care less.

    3) So you're left with a comparatively small group of hipsters and gadgeteers who love music and know about the promotional offer. Now all that has to happen is for them to bump into a bottle (not can! not cup!) of Pepsi. Odds are pretty small.
  • This is stupid (Score:3, Insightful)

    by rjung2k ( 576317 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:50PM (#9009328) Homepage
    If Apple doesn't want people to hack iTunes, they need to provide a way of playing the files on operating systems other than Windows and Mac OS.

    Uh, yeah. And if Ford doesn't want people to steal Explorers, they need to provide a way of distributing cars to people who don't have any.

    What planet are you from?
  • Re:Arms race (Score:5, Insightful)

    by shawnce ( 146129 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:53PM (#9009366) Homepage
    Actually if you have listened to Steve Jobs comments he doesn't believe that DRM can unbreakable in this regard. Instead you provide a compelling service with flexible allowances to win folks over and in doing so you attempt to grow the market for bought music. So in general they have not attempted to make an unbreakable system.

    That however doesn't mean you don't attempt to enforce those allowances (legally in general they need to do that to insure proper precedents are set). I believe Apple will try to do that without causing problems for its customers, without punishing folks for the acts of a few, at least based on comments by Steve and company. Apple also has to attempt enforcement to likely placate record companies and artists listing song on the store.

    Anyway, it is like the issue of cassette tapes back in the day... folks worried that rampant pirating of music would take place and kill sales. Well pirating did take place but the connivence of the tape form factor allowed things like tape players in cars, smaller/cheaper/easier to use stereos, and portable players like the Walkmans. This grew the market size for music and the large gains in market size easily offset the loss do to piracy.

    You make a good way to buy and listen to music, one easier to use, more convenient and reasonably priced to out compete the illegal channels (generally most folks like to do the right thing). This is the thinking that Steve and company has stated a few times.

    Personally I see hacking around FairPlay as a waste of time, it yields me nothing that I cannot already do based on my needs. If it pushes the business world to more draconian DRM and/or stronger legal actions that "punishes" everyone then it is doing folks more of a disservice then a service.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:55PM (#9009387)
    5% redemption doesn't sound so bad. Consider:

    + The person has to give a shit about getting music. That eliminates a huge portion of the poulation right there.

    + The person has have a personal computer -- not just a work computer.

    + The computer has to be pretty new -- 2000 or XP, which means consumer PCs since 2003 only. Your Compaq Presario running 98SE can not apply. Even older Macs can't do it (50% of the installed base).

    + The person has to download and install iTunes -- which is a pain-in-the-ass over modem. This is assuming they even can find where to get it from.

    + The person has to figure out the itunes UI -- could be difficult for the AOL crowd.

    I dunno how they ever got an estimate of 30%. The system requirements themselves make that impossible.
  • Re:Wrong way round (Score:3, Insightful)

    by LordK2002 ( 672528 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:58PM (#9009434)
    Goodbye user controlled computer. Welcome Palladium controlled user.
    Fine. Goodbye American locked-down computer. Welcome Chinese non-TCPA alternative.

    Seriously, the far East is rapidly catching up with technology, and I can think of few things that will spurn the Chinese into producing a viable PC alternative than the risk of being locked down to American corporate rule.

    Of course the performance will never be bleeding edge, but for most tasks a 3 GHz processor (or whatever they are up to by the time TCPA becomes standard) will be overspecified, and I know where I will be placing my money.

    By the time it becomes technically viable to mandate lockdown technology in Western PC hardware, it will certainly not be economically wise.

    K

  • Re:Wrong way round (Score:3, Insightful)

    by garcia ( 6573 ) * on Thursday April 29, 2004 @01:59PM (#9009449)
    this is true. Problem is that SOMEONE is paying for this. Apple loses out, the RIAA loses out, the consumers lose out, and the rest of us lose out too.

    Look... We get to have downloads, supposedly what everyone wanted (speedy, somewhat of a selection, etc). What do we do? We break it, in minutes (as predicted), and we look like a bunch of fucks. "We gave them what they wanted and they break in anyway." They are just going to make it harder and harder.

    This process takes time and money from all sides. We are all going to continue to pay out the ass in the end.

    Support free music (see link below). Do NOT support bands that demand their music is paid for. Do NOT support bands that are run by the RIAA.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 29, 2004 @02:01PM (#9009475)
    Then don't use Linux. If downloadable legal music is what you want then choose an OS that lets you use it. I wish people would pick tools for the job rather than the jobs and bitch when their tools don't work with it.
  • by seanadams.com ( 463190 ) * on Thursday April 29, 2004 @02:03PM (#9009508) Homepage
    If you don't like this, you shouldn't use iTunes at all and don't buy their music

    I won't, thanks! Oh, and if you don't like Playfair, don't use it either! Software should not be illegal. People in America should not be GOING TO PRISON FOR SPEAKING PUBLICLY [freesklyarov.org] about algorithms.

    Some things are just absolutely wrong - don't you get that? The music business is of very little importance compared to the sickening law which Apple is invoking to protect their business interests.
  • by Golias ( 176380 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @02:05PM (#9009537)
    Diet Pepsi is not carcinogenic. Saccharine has not been used in either Diet Coke or Diet Pepsi since NutraSweet (a.k.a. "Aspartame") was introduced in the 80s.

    There are all kinds of people (a.k.a. "kooks") who are now trying to tell you that Aspartame is bad for you. Funny how they came to that opinion just as NutraSweet's patent on Aspartame ran out, so anybody can produce a generic form of it cheaply.

    I'm convinced that all this hand-wringing about Aspartame is driven by a desire to sell you on new sweeteners, like Splenda. Every time I "follow the money" on somebody issuing warnings about the Aspartame in Diet Coke, I discover somebody who's competing with it.

    (Splenda and Sorbitol, by the way, often contain warning that "large quantities my cause mild diarrhea," by which they mean "even a few drops of this stuff will make you explosively burst out liquid faster than a fire hose within the hour, making severe dysentery seem healthy by comparison.")

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 29, 2004 @02:27PM (#9009861)
    So you only listen to led zeppelin, and there's only one cd your wife wants? Christ man, the songs are free, try changing the channel for a minute!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 29, 2004 @02:31PM (#9009918)
    Bullshit. It's about removing DRM from Apple's protected AAC files, thereby a.) breaking the terms that you agreed to *before* you downloaded anything from the iTMS to begin with, and b.) being a TRUE violation of the DMCA, as these programs do, and were designed to do, nothing other than circumvent Apple's copy protection.
  • by badasscat ( 563442 ) <basscadet75@@@yahoo...com> on Thursday April 29, 2004 @02:34PM (#9009966)
    You did not purchase the song. Read the agreement. You purchase the right to listen to the song subject to the conditions outlined in the agreement.

    I have two words for you: bull, and shit.

    I don't care what their agreement says. Nobody has to "purchase rights" to "listen" to a song. If I want to listen to a song that's playing out on the street as I happen to be walking along, nobody has any right to charge me for the privilege. Conversely, nobody is allowed to sign away their rights under the law. If I sign an agreement saying "I hereby grant you the right to kill me by strangulation" that still doesn't give you the right to kill me and it doesn't give me the right to commit suicide either (which is illegal in most states).

    Copyright law is pretty clear and the first sale doctrine well established. If I buy a song from iTunes, it's mine and I can do what I want with it provided I don't do anything to violate copyright law. That includes stripping the DRM to exercise my rights as expressly provided in copyright law (don't forget, fair use is not some nebulous concept someone came up with on Slashdot, it is part of the actual law).

    Now, you can try to quote various things from the DMCA if you want, but that won't win you many friends around here. And I don't interpret the DMCA as overriding fair use rights anyway, and neither does anyone else I know of.
  • by shark72 ( 702619 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @02:38PM (#9010048)

    You raise a good point but I think you're being a bit harsh on Apple's DRM restrictions, particularly with the understanding that Slashdot users != typical users. Apple's DRM allows sharing on three (or is it five now?) PCs. The vast majority of their customers likely do not personally own more than three PCs upon which they want to play music. Likewise, the ability to burn no more than seven (as I believe the new number is) copies of a playlist before you have to re-shuffle them -- again, the vast majority of customers don't have more than seven cars or other locations that need their own CD.

    The only feature of their DRM which is likely to be an inconvenience to the typical user is the inability to convert directly to MP3 without an intermediate burn/rip. But, I certainly understand why this is the case. Apple -- like the businesses that you and I work for or even run -- are in business to make money. If making money on the back end by selling iPods is what allows them to sell songs at a buck a track, then that's fine with me -- if I want to put music on my Zen and it's too big of an inconvenience for me to burn/rip, then I'll get my tracks from an online store that offers WMAs. There are plenty of choices for consumers out there; using a cracking tool and violating license agreements is not the only way.

  • by dasmegabyte ( 267018 ) <das@OHNOWHATSTHISdasmegabyte.org> on Thursday April 29, 2004 @02:45PM (#9010162) Homepage Journal
    This is a retarded ass argument. It's a bit like a burgler saying, "well, if you'd installed an open door on this side of the house, I wouldn't have had to break the window, mate!"

    It's Apple's perogative to write software to play their files wherever they like. If it doesn't meet your needs, you're welcome to use a different player. What you're not welcome to do is break the law -- even a silly law like the DMCA -- and cry "fair use" while you're doing it.

    Besides, Apple's already GOT an out for fair use...burn and rip! Shit, you can burn a CD of iTMS music and rip it back USING iTunes, with negligible quality loss. The whole point of "fair" use is that it allows you to use a work you purchased in your own way without opening the possibility for you to unfairly infringe on the owner's exclusive copyright. A slight quality drop is fair in my book -- now, HDTV on the other hand...
  • by amichalo ( 132545 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @03:29PM (#9010886)
    So let me get this straight...
    (1) I spend 99c downloading a song
    (2) I spend the next X hours of my life writing or downloading an Apple DRM decoder
    (3) I end up with a non-DRM song and a 99c credit card bill

    I can see why this is easier than just performing step 1 and quitting. I mean, since I have 6 computers I need to play the song on, or I want to burn 8 of the identical CD, or I have no life.
  • Re:That's funny. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dasmegabyte ( 267018 ) <das@OHNOWHATSTHISdasmegabyte.org> on Thursday April 29, 2004 @03:46PM (#9011117) Homepage Journal
    neither Apple or the MPAA has a "right" to prevent utilities to destroy their ineffective and truly unworkable "drm" systems from working

    Actually, they do have that right. It was granted by the DMCA and that part of the law yet to be proven unconstitutional. It may never be, for the same reason that bans on assault rifles and public obscenity are upheld: there are other ways to protect the essence of the rights granted by the constitution while still protecting the rights and wishes of others.

    In short: your rights are protected, but you don't have to be a dick about it. You can protect your home with a shotgun instead of an AK. You can say "fornicate" instead of "fuck." And you can back up your itunes sons, or re-rip the backups, as easily as you can use fairplay.

    The constitution was purposefully vague, so that future generations wouldn't be tied down to loopholes in strict syntax. The rights granted by the Constitution override those imposed by legislation. And the DMCA has been tested and found unconstitutional in some respects -- Sklyarov comes to mind.
  • by general_re ( 8883 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @03:50PM (#9011196) Homepage
    A can or two a day isn't going to hurt you. Drink a case a week and you're going to have all sorts of problems.

    So two cans a day is okay, but 3.4 cans a day (24 cans per case divided by 7 days) will fuck you up. Obviously, something's wrong with that last can-and-a-half, so all you have to do is not drink 2 out of every 7 cans - thus, you can buy 14 cases a week, throw 4 of them away, and you'll be fine.

    :^)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 29, 2004 @04:53PM (#9012277)
    "It's a bit like a burgler saying..."

    He bought the music, why is he a burgler? What is he stealing?

    "It's Apple's perogative to write software to play their files wherever they like. "

    Its their perogative to TRY to write software that plays their files however they like. This simply shows they failed, are we all supposed to hush up and pretend a crippled DRM system isn't really crippled?

  • Wasted Caps (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Kenshin ( 43036 ) <kenshin@lunarOPENBSDworks.ca minus bsd> on Thursday April 29, 2004 @05:19PM (#9012587) Homepage
    When I went to redeem them, iTunes didn't have any of the specific songs that I wanted. They didn't have any Led Zeppelin songs, so I went looking for some songs off of a CD that my wife wants. They didn't have that either, so my caps didn't get turned in.

    Ok, now that's just plain silly. These are FREE songs we're talking about. So they didn't have a specific tune you wanted. What was keeping you from downloading a track from someone you never heard of? (The previews are there for a reason.)

    You could have discovered something new that you really liked, without any risk of wasting money. Be a little more adventurous...

  • by Snaller ( 147050 ) on Thursday April 29, 2004 @05:33PM (#9012737) Journal
    But you knew going in that iTunes only runs under MacOS and Windows. You knew that when you agreed to the EULA. You agreed to their conditions when you signed up.


    Don't be silly. Nobody agrees to any EULAs, its just some crap one has to click on. Nobody actually reads or agrees to it. And if you ask people you'll find that something like 99% have that attitude, question then is can you really have such a minority law.
  • This has NOTHING to do with the DRM methodology in purchased iTMS songs!

    Except that it allows people to use Linux (or whatever) to access your legitimately-bought DRM-protected songs without having to break the encryption.
    And this can only be a good thing.

    Tiggs

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