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Espectr0 writes
"Following the recent iTunes update, someone has been able to install the iPod update from Linux! The article explains how to hack the iPod's firmware in order to get it installed which is required to take advantage of new features in iTunes 4.5 and the iTunes Music Store."
Now we just need phpTunes/itms-4-all working again (Score:5, Interesting)
damn... they break it 4 days after I get purchasing working in phpTunes [linuxpowered.com]...
Re:Now we just need phpTunes/itms-4-all working ag (Score:2, Informative)
This worked for me (iTMS-4-All). YMMV.
sub iTunesFetch {
my ($searchStringSafe) = @_;
my $sock = IO::Socket::INET->new('phobos.apple.com:80') or return '';
binmode($sock);
print $sock "GET
Re:Now we just need phpTunes/itms-4-all working ag (Score:5, Informative)
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Hacking (Score:1, Insightful)
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Re:Hacking (Score:1)
The hack is technically nice but it still require legal acceptance to be spreadable.
Re:Hacking (Score:5, Insightful)
Try...no. (Score:5, Interesting)
Er....no thanks. I think the proper way to show gratitude is to buy a Rio Karma or other portable player that includes Linux software.
Re:Hacking (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Hacking (Score:5, Funny)
Of course not! iPods update from MacOS, too!
*ducks*
Re:Hacking (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Hacking (Score:1, Insightful)
The story earlier today showed how easily Apple can change it DRM scheme which could potentially effect your entire music collection and thousands of dollars tied up in the hardware and music files and you are happy about it and actually justifing the action. Meanwhile completely oblivious to the fact that you have absolutely no control over what they decide to do and you have no choice but to accept it.
Re:Hacking (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't understand (Score:2, Interesting)
If that level of DRM bothers you, you are heading for a long, boring life devoid of any form of popular entertainment.
Re:I don't understand (Score:2, Insightful)
If that level of DRM bothers you, you are heading for a long, boring life devoid of any form of popular entertainment.
So what you're saying is, instead of buying large chunks of music (Read: $$$ for Apple!) and converting them to a DRM-free format en masse while preserving the metadata, I should buy SMALLER amounts of music so it will be easier and less time consuming to con
Re:I don't understand (Score:2)
Burning and re-ripping is slow and a pain in the ass
Yes, he does realize that tracks can be burned to CD-R and ripped back into MP3 form all without leaving iTunes. He doesn't find that an acceptable solution - probably because it's not a solution, it's a kludge.
Re:I don't understand (Score:1)
However, it need someone who can script better than me, by that I mean, at all.
P.S, I still don't think this is an acceptable solution, but it could be good until one comes out.
Re:Hacking (Score:5, Funny)
Please, Apple/Steve Jobs can not walk on water, part the seas, or turn water into beer.
Only Linus Torvalds can do these things.
easy and useful (Score:3, Funny)
Re:easy and useful (Score:1, Funny)
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What's The Point? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What's The Point? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:What's The Point? (Score:5, Insightful)
I know, a bit of an exotic situation, but I can see it.
Re:What's The Point? (Score:2, Interesting)
This should make it much nicer whenever I get around to updating again.
Re:What's The Point? (Score:4, Informative)
I've actually already used this procedure, for the previous update: The exact same method has been described here [variant.ch] for ages.
Re:What's The Point? (Score:2)
You take the ipod with you to your friend's house and you update the ipod there. Simpler, isn't it?
Possible use for this "hack" - Win4Lin (Score:2)
Though more likely I will just wait until I reboot into my real Windows session (whenever that will be) and update it from there. I have reservations about this guy's method
Re:What's The Point? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not useless. It's another piece of the puzzle. This guy works out how to upload the firmware. Another guy worked out how to unlock his downloaded songs. Another guy worked out how to download and play the previews from the iTunes Music Store. Another guy worked out how to upload songs to his iPod. You highlight that obtaining the firmware requires Windows or MacOS. So that means getting the firmware purely with Linux is the next piece of the puzzle.
You remind me a little bit of the people who said the same thing about Linux back in the early 90s. "It doesn't have SCSI". "It doesn't have networking". "What's the point, without the feature I need it's useless". Ok, maybe it was useless to them at that time. But Linux isn't useless now. You keep adding a piece at a time until the entire solution is there.
Re:What's The Point? (Score:2, Interesting)
Seriously, people have hacked arround with the Xbox, why not hack the iPod to play the file types (minus DRM) that geeks want (I.E. Ogg...). I know its difficult, It probably doesn't have a standard PC architecture, or mac architecture, but I bet it's got a known processor in it.
Re:What's The Point? (Score:1, Flamebait)
You're seeing the glass as half empty. Adopt the more positive attitude. You're watching the development process. You are enjoying ringside seats where you can watch Linux (really GNOME, KDE, X, Ooo, ...) being created. So you see the mess, the clutter, the "crap" that goes into a development process. The same thing goes on at Microsoft and
Re:What's The Point? (Score:1, Troll)
As for iTunes; as others have mentioned, there are several improvements in this update that don't rely on iTunes. And this method will work for any past and future updates as well.
Well... (Score:5, Interesting)
Or am I clueless and is iTunes wine-able?
Re:Well... (Score:5, Informative)
iTunes is MOL-able (LinuxPPC users can run MacOS in a virtual session with full audio and networking).
Re:Well... (Score:4, Informative)
It works fine using any Linux web browser and PhpTunes [linuxpowered.com]
Re:Well... (Score:2, Informative)
iPod on linux (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:iPod on linux (Score:5, Interesting)
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Why bother? (Score:4, Informative)
Is the "Linux way" now to take more steps then you need to just to prove you can do something?
Re:Why bother? (Score:2)
My solution? Fire up Win2k in a VMware session, d/l the installer, launch the installer, then snag the binary image from the Windows temp directory. I can then use the "pxupdate" utility from Joerg Schilling (the guy who writes cdrecord).
I can't flash the firmware under VMWare, and Wi
Re:Why bother? (Score:2)
Re:Why bother? (Score:2)
Awesome! (Score:5, Funny)
Bunch of rocket scientists, these guys.
Re:Awesome! (Score:5, Funny)
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No iTunes on Linux = Why do you need the new firm? (Score:1)
Likewise, if you *DO* need the new iTunes features, then you must have a platform that can run iTunes (Mac or Win,) in which case, you have a method to install the firmware legitimately.
I was going to post a first-level comment about this, but your ending remark just sums it all up perfectly.
(For the record, yes, I *AM* a rocket scientist.)
There's more in the firm than iTunes support... (Score:5, Informative)
-The "Grouping" fields in the iPod's Database (with regards to live updating smart playlists)
-A new Smart Playlist field for referencing other playlists
-Support for playing the new lossless compression format
-Bugfixes with regards to live updating smart playlists that reverse their order for no obvious reason (I'm betting that's in there anyway)
And probably other stuff that hasn't been found yet. There's not exactly a fountain of info on the new firmware yet.
Re:There's more in the firm than iTunes support... (Score:2)
Yay for Apple!!
Re:There's more in the firm than iTunes support... (Score:2)
Well, maybe. I haven't had my playlists get out of order since the new firmware, but then it always happened pretty randomly anyway. One can only hope.
What we need (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:What we need (Score:2)
Is it just me (Score:2, Interesting)
Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd be a good reason. (Score:3, Funny)
And to think that all that happened simply because I was looking for something with decent linux support.
How hard can it be? (Score:1, Insightful)
I know they have some marketing sence, so why not?
Re:How hard can it be? (Score:5, Informative)
If Apple would just release QuickTime for Linux, then we could really get the ball rolling. The GNUStep program is getting better by the day, so hopefully Apple could use that for the windowing.
Here's to the collaboration of GNU coders and Apple!
Re:How hard can it be? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:How hard can it be? (Score:3, Insightful)
The big problem with GNUStep is that it looks like shit. I've used it, it's great, all that Objective-C magic with all that NSFandanglery and NSThingamingywhattsit, but the GUI looks terrible.
And the tools crash. A lot.
Mind you XCode, man is that unstable lately.
Re:How hard can it be? (Score:2)
It was easy to port iTunes, because the original version uses the Carbon API, which was mostly ported to Windows a while ago (under the name "QuickTime").
Note that Apple has a Windows-port of Cocoa, too (called "Yellow Box", it's used by WebObjects).
Re:How hard can it be? (Score:2)
GNUStep isn't aiming for the OS X look anyway... (Hint, OS X predecessor is OPENSTEP/NeXTSTEP)
Not as simple as all that (Score:1)
Apple could of course only ever release it binary-only, as it has dependencies on third party code (just from reading iTunes about box, you see that it uses Gracenote's CDDB, ACELP, Audible, Dolby and Whitecap stuff).
There are third party clones of QuickTime, the file format is pretty well documented. See OpenQuicktime [openquicktime.org]. The main missing bits are codecs, but you're free to write your own for standards (MP3, hook in XviD for
Re:How hard can it be? (Score:1)
Apple is not interested in helping Linux, and ESPECIALLY not the Gnu project. Reps from Apple and Microsoft met a couple years ago and the topic of the meeting was "Responding to the free software movement"....
The idea both groups agreed upon was that free software (GPLed software that we can't use in proprietary products, as opposed to BSD-licensed apps, which are freely available "unofficial R & D") had to be slowed as much as possible, fo
Re:How hard can it be? (Score:2)
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Re:How hard can it be? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:How hard can it be? (Score:5, Insightful)
With Windows it makes financial sense to port to that platform because of the huge user base, the same can't be said for Linux since the market is relatively small and actually porting iTunes to linux is non-trivial since all of the libraries that iTunes relies on (e.g. QuickTime) would need porting as well.
Re:How hard can it be? (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:How hard can it be? (Score:1)
Why we need iTunes for linux (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Why we need iTunes for linux (Score:1)
Playfair (actually, this could apply to decss and other programs of that sort) doesn't necessarily exist because Apple didn't provide a way to play iTunes songs, but because someone else did find a way to do it.
Sir Edmund Hillary didn't claim to climb Mt. Everest because no one else had done it, but because "it was there." (maybe the quote is apocryphal, I can't find a good reference at the moment, but you get the picture)
Like program
In other 'Just Becasue You Can' news... (Score:5, Funny)
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Buy two! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Buy two! (Score:4, Informative)
Why poke his eye out when you can make him see the light [sourceforge.net]?
Hint: iPods do run linux. Yay.
If it was me.... (Score:5, Interesting)
If you're running Linux . . . (Score:2, Insightful)
Did I miss something? If you're running Linux in the first place, what do you care if your iPod can take advantage of the new features in iTunes 4.5 and the iTunes Music Store?
It's doubly pointless. (Score:3, Insightful)
Ooh, I can't wait to take advantage of the new features! Like, PlayFair no longer works. Yay! I'll never have to boot Windows again. Unless I want to play my music. I can't wait.
You got to give the title credit... (Score:3, Insightful)
And others? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:And others? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:And others? (Score:1, Informative)
Is this news? (Score:1)
iNews for iNerds. iStuff that matters.
Or how about i. or
Maybe that'll be the next poll. And lemme guess, there wont be a CowboyNeal option either.
I don't own an (Score:1, Funny)
iFor one welcome my trendy new overlords!
This isn't new... (Score:2)
The issue is getting hold of the firmware file, as other posters have said.
Ad Infinitum (Score:2, Funny)
Pl.
My God, this is nothing new! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:iTunes update benefits (Score:3, Informative)
Re:iTunes update benefits (Score:3, Informative)
Now, I know that iTunes is a free browser, and all, but I'd prefer to use other players perhaps, and not build up my library in two places
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Dude! it's only 99c!
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MS is NOT an investor in Apple (Score:5, Informative)
Re:MS is NOT an investor in Apple (Score:2, Informative)
MS bought $150 million in preferred stock with this deal. They did NOT 'save' Apple with this cash as Apple had almost $4 billion in cash at the time.