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Apple Rejects RealNetwork's Pleas 659

TheJoKell writes "In a followup to a previous article, Apple has denied a meeting with Rob Glaser, Chief Executive of Real Networks, to discuss an alliance between the two companies. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Steve Jobs said, 'The iPod already works with the No. 1 music service in the world, and the iTunes Music Store works with the No. 1 digital-music player in the world. The No. 2s are so far behind already. Why would we want to work with No. 2?'"
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Apple Rejects RealNetwork's Pleas

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  • by Gothic_Walrus ( 692125 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @08:57PM (#8888161) Journal
    "In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Steve Jobs said, 'The iPod already works with the No. 1 music service in the world, and the iTunes Music Store works with the No. 1 digital-music player in the world. The No. 2s are so far behind already. Why would we want to work with No. 2?'"

    It may be overused, but if there was ever a situation where the word PWNED was called for, this is it...

    Jobs just PWNED Real!

  • Good... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 16, 2004 @08:57PM (#8888164)
    Real offered Apple zero in return, they just wanted to free ride on the success of the iPod. At least the HP deal will sell iPods and direct people to the iTMS.
    • Re:Good... (Score:3, Insightful)

      What Real brought to the bargaining table was increased iPod sales. The idea is, the more places people can buy music from to play on their iPods, the more people will buy iPods. So, if someone's looking for a portable music player to buy, they might think "Gee, I like the looks, size, weight, and feature set of this iPod, but I can't play music I've bought from Real on it" and go for a competing device.

      Apple probably figures that customers who are discerning enough to see the value of an iPod are also dis
      • Re:Good... (Score:3, Insightful)

        by ericdano ( 113424 )
        But why? Why do I want to use Real's service when iTunes has everything you'd want?

        Seriously, I know of NO ONE who has bought anything off Real's service. It's either an iPod with iTunes or a Dell iPod clone and their service......

      • Re:Good... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by JGski ( 537049 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @10:44PM (#8888852) Journal
        Given that Apple can't make enough iPod to meet demand, it isn't sales they need.

        To boot, the sales Real must have claimed were necessarily all Pro Forma so the value was probably dubious.

        The only real argument would have been a counter-balance-of-power against Microsoft, but there are so many reasons why that would be too little benefit to justify the development/integration effort.

        It was a seriously weak hand played by a company in a seriously weak position - not surprising Apple begged off.

        When I worked for HP we had similar offers from potential partners. What most of the prosepctive partners never got was that HP's brand value was so strong and so much bigger than them that without a major kick in sales for HP, almost any other scenario (especially bad partnerships) would only damage the HP brand and would be giving the partner an enormous free ride by being able to use the HP name in their marketing with little in it for HP. Very very few deals were ever accepted - the partner application forms were frightenly intrusive (but had to be given the above), which probably acted like a good filter.

        Apple is in a similar position compared to potential partners - especially Real.

      • Re:Good... (Score:3, Interesting)

        Real is still a competitor. To increase iPod sales, the best is to more HP-style licensing. If another company is promoting your product that's way better than you giving them your tech and have them competing against you. Apple should just bundle iTunes with all the PC manufacturers and let them put their logo on the back of their iPod. Distributed manufacturing, all under the Apple brand.
    • Re:Good... (Score:5, Funny)

      by joe_bruin ( 266648 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:29PM (#8888414) Homepage Journal
      "The No. 2s are so far behind already. Why would we want to work with No. 2?"

      funny, that's why we say when people ask us to port our software to MacOS.
      • Mac OS is "second place in market share." Windows OS is number two [shitclub.net]. There's a difference.

    • Re:Good... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by JPriest ( 547211 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:40PM (#8888502) Homepage
      That and Real has made a name for itself as a spyware company. Why should a company with a valid business model go out of it's way to help a company with such poor business practices? Fuck real.
      • Re:Good... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:50PM (#8888572)
        lol [slashdot.org]

        Its not even bowing down, its a partnership. Real is synonymous with poorly written software, nagware 'message centers' most people cant turn off, messing up file associations, hiding the free product on the website, etc. These guys are one step removed from penis pump spammers.

        Apple's approach is user-centric and user friendly. Real hates the user and does *everything* it can to fool you buy their product when you just need the free one. They'll do anything to take over your system. They'll push 'message center' ads for a penny an ad.

        In short: fuck Real. The sooner they go bankrupt the better off everyone is. There is room for a good company with a nice media player out there and Real has shown itself over the years that they are not this company.

        • Apple any better?! (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward
          Oh really? When I'm in Windows and have to use their movie players, I honestly see no difference between Quicktime and Real. Both are ugly, heavy, loaded with advertisement, and nagging me to "buy" something. I don't know which is worse. Both are a nightmare. I want my MPlayer.

          And no, I never used the iTunes stuff, and I'm not going to. It's outright funny that they want me to give them money for music which I cannot play on any player I like. It's an obvious scam - binding the music and the player togethe
  • by protomala ( 551662 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @08:58PM (#8888175) Homepage
    So, if microsoft says: why would we work with #2 and stop making office for macs? And if IBM says: why would we work with the #2 processos archeteture (powerpc)? ANd if users say: why would we buy those macs that are the #3 (linux is surpassing macs)? Man! Can't we please leran to get a bit humble?
    • by gkuz ( 706134 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:01PM (#8888197)
      Can't we please leran to get a bit humble?

      Jobs? Humble?

      "You must be new here"

    • by boarder8925 ( 714555 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:07PM (#8888247)
      microsoft says: why would we work with #2 and stop making office for macs?
      OS X takes a backseat to Windows in everything--usability, stability, etc.? That's news to me. =P
    • by MBCook ( 132727 ) <foobarsoft@foobarsoft.com> on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:55PM (#8888597) Homepage
      The Mac still provides sales for Microsoft. PowerPCs provide value to IBM in many ways (low power, something to use against Intel for lower prices, etc).

      Real is nobody. I don't know ANYONE that has half a clue about computers that is even ambililent about Real. They all dislike (up through hate) Real. Real doesn't have a large customer base. Real doesn't have lots of users who like them. Real doesn't have a good reputation.

      To agree to this would be like Bank of America partnering up with a local loan-shark (who has, supposedly reformed and is no longer crooked and evil). It doesn't do anything for Bank of America except lower their reputation.

      If someone worthy came to Apple, I think they would have been more likely to say yes. If Amazon had said "let us integrate iTMS into our website" that would help Apple. If Barns & Noble had done it, that would provide value. If Walmart, Blockbuster, or even Sam Goodey had asked, there would be value there. Those compares are at least respected by many people. They have many returning customers that they would provide.

      As far as I'm concerned, Real is a company that is up to it's head in quicksand and covered in Ebola. They are reaching for ANYTHING to stay alive (MS settlements, partnering with Apple, who knows what tomarrow) but no reasonable company wants to help them because they would then be associated with them (catch Ebola in my example).

      For Apple, Real would be more of a paracite than something that could provide a symbiotic relationship for Apple.

      Shrugging off one of the companies I listed above would be one thing, and your argument would have legitimacy. But since it's Real, I can't believe your point.

      • by CherniyVolk ( 513591 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @11:19PM (#8889036)
        Real is nobody. I don't know ANYONE that has half a clue about computers that is even ambililent about Real. They all dislike (up through hate) Real. Real doesn't have a large customer base. Real doesn't have lots of users who like them. Real doesn't have a good reputation.

        I don't think this is true. I also think that Real should be cut some slack. Let's see for a moment, currently on my Linux box, I have QuickTime, Windows Media Player and RealPlayer. Of those three, only one is native, RealPlayer.

        I like Real for their generous gift. I also like Apple for their support, don't get me wrong. This battle is sorta like two respectful companies going at each other.

        But, when you say noone likes Real, well, maybe I don't "like" them, but I'm certainly grateful for being the first of the three to even consider my platform.
    • I think the deal is that it is super important that Apple maintain their foot hold on digital music distribution. They are out there pimping their technology left and right. They made a windows iTunes, added windows support for the iPod, licensed the iPod to HP, the pepsi promotion.

      This deal with Real, seems pretty obviously bad for Apple, so Steve turned them down, then went out and made more publicity out of it.

      Just the fact that Real went to them has pushed Apples Music products up a notch.
    • by Decameron81 ( 628548 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @10:04PM (#8888655)
      "why would we work with #2 and stop making office for macs?"


      Because Microsoft makes loads of money on programs they sell for the Mac platform. It's not like they started on 1984 and decided to go on until today to make Apple a favour.

      "why would we work with the #2 processos archeteture (powerpc)?"


      Because the PowerPC architecture was created by IBM and Motorola (I think). The fact that Apple uses PPC processors doesn't mean that such processors are only sold to Apple. Apple is just another customer filling IBM's pockets. Once again I doubt IBM is trying to do Apple a favour.

      "why would we buy those macs that are the #3 (linux is surpassing macs)?"


      Is this just a guess or is this factual information? Anyway, the value of a product is not given by it's cost. It's a mixture of variables, most of which depend on the view the customer has of the product. Apparently some people give more value to Macs than to other computers. It's all a matter of personal choice.

      Diego Rey
    • by ScottEllsworth ( 225538 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @11:49PM (#8889166)
      Bat puckey.

      Microsoft clearly makes money from "number 2" by making Mac office. Thus, they _can_ answer the question "what do we get?" with the words "cold, hard cash, and yet another spike in the coffin of potentially competing office products."

      Think about it - were MS to stop shipping office for Mac, Apple would have to come up with an office suite of their own. They would probably fail, but MS really does not want to take that chance, given that Apple has enough cash to make it happen.

      Why would IBM want to use a processor architecture other than Intel? Because they make oodles of cash on IBM servers, and they do not want to share with Intel.

      Why do people want to buy Macs? Because they are better, and thus I make more money as a consultant. (You do not have to agree, but this is why I use it, and why my company buys them.)

      In all three cases, the answer is "because we make money by doing so."

      Contrast this with Real. They are known for dreadful software, spyware, and relatively poor quality. They have addressed some of these issues, but i know very few people who are fond of Real software. Thus - what would Apple get out of this partnership?
  • Real is a #2? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MaineCoon ( 12585 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @08:58PM (#8888178) Homepage
    Wow. I couldn't even consider them on a top 5 list...
  • by weekendwarrior1980 ( 768311 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @08:59PM (#8888186) Homepage
    I like Real's Rhapsody service a lot and wish that it integrated well with iPOD. Having said that, it is just a business decision that is both logical and obvious to follow. Why would apple who has the number one music delivery service bow down to real? Doesn't really make sense to me. Unlike most people in ./ I dont bear hostility against Real, I think their player is easy to use and portable across many platforms.
    • by gad_zuki! ( 70830 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:14PM (#8888310)
      Its not even bowing down, its a partnership. Real is synonymous with poorly written software, nagware 'message centers' most people cant turn off, messing up file associations, hiding the free product on the website, etc. These guys are one step removed from penis pump spammers.

      Apple's approach is user-centric and user friendly. Real hates the user and does *everything* it can to fool you buy their product when you just need the free one. They'll do anything to take over your system. They'll push 'message center' ads for a penny an ad.

      In short: fuck Real. The sooner they go bankrupt the better off everyone is. There is room for a good company with a nice media player out there and Real has shown itself over the years that they are not this company.
    • In the computer industry, compatibility is the number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 important features. If MS has taught us anything, It's this. Competitors to Apple are not going to disappear. If Apple doesn't make fairplay AAC the standard for digital music, both iTMS and iPOD are doomed ultimately. By choosing not to allow other players to license fairplay Apple is insuring their own failure.
  • Arrogance? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gtshafted ( 580114 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:00PM (#8888192)
    Considering Apple doesn't make really make money on iTunes, and the real profit is in selling iPods - does this really make sense?
    • by jared_hanson ( 514797 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @10:05PM (#8888666) Homepage Journal
      According to their quarterly report, which was released earlier this week, the iTunes music store did make a small profit. I don't think details were released as to how much of a profit, but they did say it was.

      Presumably, the more they can grow the user base of the store, the more money they can make on it. Allowing Real to set up shop in their turf with their tools would only likely decrease the user base of their store.

      Real just wants a free ride, but Apple wisely won't give it to them.
  • Why Not? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Berylium ( 588468 ) * on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:01PM (#8888205)
    I may have had too many beers to see the obvious, but why wouldn't Apple want to do this? If it only meant that Real would convert it's music to be compatible with Fairplay then wouldn't that mean any customers of Real's music service would need to buy an iPod to play their music on the go since .m4p files are only playable on iPods? Isn't that why iTMS exists, to sell iPods? What's wrong with another online store that would, essentially, help sell iPods?
  • by t0qer ( 230538 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:03PM (#8888222) Homepage Journal
    A rotten apple in the barrel spoils the bunch they say.

    Real has been under a lot of scrutiny (especially here on /.) over their "free" player that's hard to find on their site. The "Hidden" options in the installer that you have to scroll down too see, and gouging stream providers on using their tools.

    I think Jobs just didn't want to soil apples image.
    • by Lord_Dweomer ( 648696 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:58PM (#8888616) Homepage
      I completely agree. First, you have someone like Real who has a HORRIBLE image with tech-savvy people. Anybody who knows much about computers knows to stay the hell away from Real...usually cuz they can't find the Free Player in the first place.

      Now, look at Apple's target market. They aim at the tech-savvy, trendy people, and those people are usually knowledgeable enough to know about Real. Why WOULD Steve want to associate his company with them?

      The only thing I thought was bad was the way he worded it. Yeah I got a kick out of it, but he has to realize that while there is a huge gap between #1 and #2 NOW, if they pair up with M$, it is very possible that through sheer brute force they could become #1, or certainly much closer. I think Jobs' comment was a bit short-sighted I guess.

  • by orthogonal ( 588627 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:06PM (#8888244) Journal
    Apple Rejects RealNetwork's Pleas

    Actually, the headline here overstates it. Technically, Apple has not yet rejected Real's pleas.

    Apple sent the following message to Rob Glaser:

    "In response to your request of the 15th, Apple's categorical response is [BUFFERING] ... [BUFFERING]."
  • by Babbster ( 107076 ) <aaronbabb&gmail,com> on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:08PM (#8888261) Homepage
    I see people are accusing Steve and Apple of being arrogant in turning down a partnership with Real. I'd say it's just a wise move. Virtually all of Apple's press in terms of iPod and iTunes has been good (apart from a few technical glitches that haven't slowed down sales at all). Real, on the other hand, is perceived by most users to be a lousy program from lousy people who love nothing better than to hammer folks' desktops with garbage. The only reason anyone installs Real is because some sites insist on using their proprietary streaming system (in my case, it's for Phil Hendrie's site [philhendrieshow.com]), and never because they have a desire to use Real's software for anything else like MP3s, MPGs, etc. Add into that the fact that Real brings nothing to the table that Apple doesn't already have, and there's no reason for Steve and company to get in bed with them.

    In short, teaming up with Real can only hurt Apple, or at least the perception of Apple.

  • Market Share (Score:5, Insightful)

    by santiago ( 42242 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:08PM (#8888263)
    I'm sure this page will fill up soon enough with near-flames about the arrogance of Apple and how it lost them the computer market last time and so on. What most of the people making those comments don't realize is that the Mac never had the market share that the iPod does. Apple really does dominate this market, and can afford to act like Microsoft for several years, at least. (That Microsoft is intent on entering the market soon does not necessarily mean they will be successful at taking it over, as the XBox has shown.)

    Licensing to Real would have two negative effects that Apple should rightly be concerned about. First, this would at best steal sales that would otherwise have gone to the iTMS, and, while the bulk of the profits come from the iPod itself, the iTMS can only be helped by increased traffic. (In particular, economies of scale are probably rather important--certainly with respect to the infrastructure, possibly the underlying music licensing as well.) Secondly, Real has a long reputation as obnoxious crap that works poorly and pushes ads at the user all the time. Associating with them could taint Apple's image, which is a valuable commodity. If Real's store was anything other than flawless, it could damage the perception of how easy to use the iPod is, hurting long-term sales and brand image.
  • by Ambush_Bug ( 106102 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:11PM (#8888282)
    Isn't this some story where Gates came to Next computers with a plan to develop for the platform, and then they made him wait in the waiting room for ages or something stupid like that.... and then Gates vowed to never develop for the
    Next platform? I'm paraphrasing here, but maybe someone can fill in the details.
    • The NeXT platform was a precursor of what Linux has been for the last decade. Filled with highly technical people who do a lot of rolling their own code. There was never a solid customer base for commercial apps for NeXT, hence there was never any kind of market that Microsoft would want to tap.

      When the NeXT cube came out, the crowd I was hanging with didn't take it seriously. Even when the 'fire sale' occured and they got really cheap, everybody scoffed at it. I wouldn't mind having one now, but as a
      • When the NeXT cube came out, the crowd I was hanging with didn't take it seriously. Even when the 'fire sale' occured and they got really cheap, everybody scoffed at it. I wouldn't mind having one now, but as a historical curiosity for my collection, and not much else.

        When the Sun Starfire came out, the crowd I was hanging with didn't take it seriously. Of course, I didn't know anything about it. I'm guessing the same is true here.

        A 1994 NeXT is still sufficiently more advanced (speed aside) in many wa
  • by Anthony Boyd ( 242971 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:13PM (#8888299) Homepage

    Really, Steve Jobs can decide what he wants. But it's bad PR to be that cocky. He might as well shout out, "I'm king of the hill, try to knock me off!" Here's a hint in PR, Steve: act contrite and humble even as you crush your opponents. They won't realize what you're doing until it's too late. But if you are unapologetically domineering, you'll find you get three responses:

    • some people capitulate
    • some people resent you, seethe quietly, and welcome any leader who will undermine you
    • some people rise up to the occasion and ready their plan of attack

    Hmmm. I wonder which one is Microsoft? And which one is Real?

  • by Stephen Samuel ( 106962 ) <samuel@bcgre e n . com> on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:21PM (#8888358) Homepage Journal
    Long time ago I used to Play Diplomacy -- kinda like "Risk" except that you got to do some serious negitiations inbetween moves.

    There was this one guy who was really good at it. The general rule was: If you allied with him, you'd (usually) be the last person he killed off... But he still killed you off.

    Why work with #2??? Because they're that much less likely to string you up on a moment's notice, and you might have someplace to go when #1 decides that you're expendable.

  • by derfla8 ( 195731 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:22PM (#8888363)
    It is not arrogance. In what way is Real number 2 even? Things could have been different for Real, there was a time when they were at the forefront of streaming technology. They lost this spot in my eyes when the began to lose focus an instead of concentrating on technology and finding sustainable revenue streams, went for the cheap shots of getting people to pay for what others offered for free, making it very difficult to find the free version of their product, and above all loading people's desktop with tons of garbage. I have lived life without the Real player and when a site does not give me a choice, I show them my contempt by leaving the site.
  • by bob670 ( 645306 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:36PM (#8888472)
    segment because a decent competitor hasn't come along, YET. Apple doesn't have the muscle of MS and when something cheaper, well inetgraed with WMP9 and meets more closely the DRM wishes of the major labels it will be all over. I don't necessarily think working with Real is the answer, but people love to watch Steve Jobs eat his words and statements like this deserve to be served up on large platters.
    • by tentimestwenty ( 693290 ) on Saturday April 17, 2004 @01:45AM (#8889689)
      This is assuming that consumers will buy Micosoft DRM. Microsoft could theoretically blanket the globe with stores and players, but if their product isn't as desirable, it's all wasted effort. Apple already has the most lenient DRM and it's clear that Microsoft's will not be as free. Nobody will want to buy more expensive tracks that are locked down by the RIAA and don't play on the best player.

      The iPod and iTunes also already play non-DRM files very well and it will be a long time before another company meets that standard. I think the pressure for Apple to license FairPlay or open up the iPod is far overestimated. They have the best product, will protect it, and it's what customers want now and for the foreseeable future. It's rare you get such a potent mix and such a great product this early.
  • by phatsharpie ( 674132 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:41PM (#8888512)
    I think part of Apple's reluctance to team up with Real is because Apple want to make QuickTime ubiquitous. The latest stats I can find about media players place QT at the number 3 slot (WMP is #1 and Real is #2). Keeping in mind that Apple is trying to fortify itself as THE media creation company. For Apple to have more clout in the creative industry, especially in motion pictures and music, it needs to make sure its formats (even though they are all pretty much based on open standards) are the standards. And the only way to really do that is to have QT become much more popular than it is today.

    Think about it. How does iTunes work? By using QuickTime. QT has had very bad rep in the PC world (flaky player, etc.), and many Windows users don't install it before. But now, with the iPod and iTunes Music Store, people are starting to install QuickTime again. iTMS won't work without it! Now if Real comes in and offers the same service but bypassing QT, people would no longer be installing QuickTime.

    -B
    • by No. 24601 ( 657888 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @11:20PM (#8889039)
      (Apple) needs to make sure its formats (even though they are all pretty much based on open standards) are the standards. And the only way to really do that is to have QT become much more popular than it is today.

      Hate to burst your bubble, but Quicktime has about as much of a chance of becoming ubiquitous as Real. In other words, not gonna happen. Sure, quicktime has gained a lot of ground in the movie trailer circles, but it's still a cpu-hog and memory whore. That alone makes it Real's partner in decline.

      Sure Apple is making headway with the iPod, but when it boils down to it... the iPod is Apple's latest fad. Although the company has literally risen from the dead, they still appeas to subscribe to the philosophy that consumers want proprietary technology. They got it all wrong: consumers want innovation and Apple has a lot of that but Apple's products always lose in the long run because the company simply can't sustain its markets.

      Both these guys are fools - Glaser should quit trying to save his real crap and Jobs isn't in any position to be cocky.

      • This arguement is very time sensitive to new technologies.... yes QT is a CPU hog now, especially when using those proprietary Sorenson commercial codecs they use for trailers... but with new PCs the CPU is not really that big of a bottleneck anymore, now bandwidth on the other hand is, for now.

        Consider what happens when movie downloads start becoming popular and Apple re-rolls iTunes as a movie store? People pay good money for movies... not this 99 cent thing... more like 3.99 for a few days of use. Apple
  • by mst76 ( 629405 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:42PM (#8888518)
    If there is anything they have it's patience. DOS was one of their very few products that dominated from the start (thanks to a free ride from Big Blue). Windows took many revisions to catch on. NT was hardly competitive with Netware or Unix for years. Word was no match for WordPerfect for half a decade. Lotus and Ashton-Tate were once kings. Borland had great developers mindshare. Netscape anyone? Eudora/Pegasus mail? Of course Real is afraid, they can hardly be afraid enough.
  • by mkiwi ( 585287 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @09:45PM (#8888543)
    As an astute observer of human behavoir, I have noticed that people to not respond well to threats, especially those like Steve Jobs. To write a threatening email personally to him is like saying, "Steve, I think you are like crap. No, you reek of it. Now, as a good little piece of crap, I'd like you to do XXX or I'll flush you down the toilet." I learned I never got anything by threatening someone (as Real did Apple with the Microsoft ploy) in a better position than me.

    Real Networks acts like a child, and Apple happily refuses to grant them a piece of the pie. Maybe had Real asked Apple more nicely, as HP did, they might have had more inroads, although the deal still would probably fall through.

  • by sjonke ( 457707 ) * on Friday April 16, 2004 @10:05PM (#8888664) Journal
    While I agree that Mr. Job's response is a bit arrogant, you can hardly blame him for turning up his nose at an "offer" that was in the form of a threat: make a deal or else. Not real friendly like.
  • by t_allardyce ( 48447 ) on Friday April 16, 2004 @10:07PM (#8888674) Journal
    And there was me thinking the number 1 music service and digital music player in the world was compact disc!

    The real number 1 is the masses and their p2p file-sharing and as long as your music player plays mp3 who cares who made it? And given that all other DRM'd music formats can and always will be cracked or circumnavigated its like saying segway is number 1 against human legs!

    I hate apple so much, but OSX rocks and so do their notebooks :(

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