Native KOffice for Mac OS X 335
bsharitt writes "A preliminary version of KOffice has been built natively on Mac OS X. It looks like a lot of the hard part is over, and now a lot of cleaning up and bug fixes stand between Mac OS X and a free full featured office suite." There's also a story on the dot.
OpenOffice.org (Score:5, Informative)
I really expected OpenOffice.org to be first... (Score:5, Informative)
Congratulations to everyone who's worked on this.
I'VE GOT A TURD THAT'S COMING OUT SIDEWAYS! OUCH! (Score:0, Informative)
Re:I'm ignorant... (Score:5, Informative)
KOffice doesn't require X11. KWord, for example, runs natively under OS X.
OSX Theme (Score:5, Informative)
So even thought some of the other screenshots are in the ugly Motif theme they will soon be all re-taken using the OSX theme.
Also notice how in the Dock the KDE applications icons show up (and scale wonderfully!). We have a script that generates OS X .app directories of the KDE applications and also generates those directories with the proper icons. You can see some of them in the background of the screenshot in Finder.
-Benjamin Meyer
Parent is GNAA troll (Score:-1, Informative)
Re:Free not important? (Score:4, Informative)
Why KOffice for OS X? I'll tell you why (Score:1, Informative)
Konqueror is not just a browser. It is also a file manager (kind of like Windows Explorer on SuperMan steroids). It suppors io-slaves, which gives Konqueror network transparency that I do not think is paralleled by any other file browser right now. Also, some people dislike the OS X Finder and would prefer to use Konqueror instead.
Konqueror is pretty cool - it has all the latest features such as tabbed browsing, but it also allows to split any view into two (and then again) - you can make it look like Norton Commander if you like.
Konqueror also supports archiving web pages as
So, there are many reasons someone would want to use Konqueror, and not just on OS X or Linux.
The reason to port to OS X could be so that KOffice were less dependent on X11 hacks and used Qt API more thoroughly, I don't know. The thing is - the more portable the code is, the fewer bugs there are (unless of course they start #ifdef-ing everywhere, then it just turns into a mess of duplicated non-portable code).
Paul.
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Re:I'm ignorant... (Score:5, Informative)
The installation process on the Mac is much harder than other platforms also. X11 (and a few other dependencies) are included in the download, making it a whopping 173MB! That's roughly 100MB more than Windows and GNU/Linux versions.
I'm certain if KOffice was ported better than OpenOffice on OSX, it would be a more popular choice for those looking for a free office suite.
Re:My take on KOffice, and how it might be on OSX (Score:3, Informative)
This posting is plagarism of the worst sort. Cut and paste in its entirety from: LinuxPlanet [linuxplanet.com]. Taking someone else's work and presenting it as your own without attribution is simply dishonest. It is not informative or insightful.
Re:The plot thickens... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:OpenOffice.org (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I'm ignorant... (Score:4, Informative)
-Alex
Re:I'm ignorant... (Score:3, Informative)
I don't knwo about you, but I for one will welcome our carbon OO overlords at that time.
"The dot" is dot.kde.org news site (Score:5, Informative)
He really should have linked to the story on dot.kde.org [kde.org]
"The dot" is "news for KDE-freaks - stuff that matters" so to speak. Hop on over, it's a nice place
Re:I really expected OpenOffice.org to be first... (Score:4, Informative)
In any case, the latest two versions of OS X *do* include an X server (Xfree variant). You can run it in rootless mode, which is quite functional and nice.
(*) in the event you're not, we'd have to start with ancient history, when Mac OS was sold for clone systems, when the NeXTStep version of Mac OS was called OS 8, and
Re:I really expected OpenOffice.org to be first... (Score:3, Informative)
Just for complete clarity, the X in X server, and X-free86, etc. is *not* a roman numeral, and *is* pronounced "Ex."
$PC $Mac (Score:2, Informative)
Please stop trying to equate laptops and desktops. Even if we do use laptops:
Dell Inspiron 5100: $1,860 (15" LCD/2.66GHz P4/512MB/DVD-CD-RW)
Apple PowerBook: $2,198.00 (15" LCD/1GHz G4/512MB/DVD-CD-RW)
I'll even allow that the G4 may be more powrful than the P4, but not 2.66 times as powerful, so the PC wins power and price (though arguably loses in both cool-factor and the ethereal 'usability').
Build me a very powerful desktop Mac for less than $1000, inculding a 19" CRT. I did this 2 months ago. PCs are cheaper b/c there is more than 1 vendor - and isn't that why everyone hates MS? They only have one monolith to bitch at? As usual w/the Apple crowd, there's a double standard.
-bZj
PS: I hate MS just as much as anyone who uses computers for hours a day, but facts are facts.
Re:OpenOffice.org (Score:5, Informative)
OOo 2.0 will have a full fledged database application to better compete with Access.
Re:I'm ignorant... (Score:4, Informative)
Not sure, well check out the complete (if somewhat involved) developers guide at OpenOffice.org API [openofffice.org] project.
Have you tried NeoOffice? (Score:5, Informative)
Moreover, just yesterday, lead developer Dan Williams posted this state-of-the-port message [openoffice.org] on what still needs to be done to have a complete port of OO.o in Aqua:
All in all, these aren't problems that require all that much technical expertise, just a lot of trial and error, and a bunch of debugging. A lot of the issues that we have had for a long time, like the widgets and menus and the event loop, are actually solved; we simply need to convert our old hacks over to the new frameworks or clean up the code as it is. We can of course do this, but as always it requires more manpower.
So? Volunteers?
W
Re:OpenOffice.org (Score:5, Informative)
The reason this is possible is because QT/Mac was released under the GPL, and so KOffice can be ported using the native QT Themes provided on the OS X platform. All the work is pretty much done for them via QT. Now they just need to get them to play well together.
Re:OpenOffice.org (Aqua State Of The Port) (Score:5, Informative)
You might not need to. See The State of the Aqua Port 2004 [openoffice.org] message from developer Dan Williams.
W
Re:Widgets need updating... (Score:4, Informative)
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Actuall, according to Sun's own statements, Sun chose GNOME over KDE for a few reasons, none of them licensing related:
1) GNOME's architecture is more traditional. It uses CORBA, for example, instead of using its own mechanism (DCOP).
2) GNOME uses C, while KDE uses C++. It was only recently that KDE compiled with Sun's Forte C++ compiler. If the KDE libraries were compiled with GCC, then you couldn't use Sun's pro-leve development tools to build apps, because those use Forte. Sun developers were also much more comfortable with C rather than KDE's C++.
3) GNOME didn't have an HIG when Sun came onboard, so Sun had a major hand in building GNOME 2.x's UI. Meanwhile, KDE was pretty well-solidified by the time Sun came along.
Never have they said that licensing had anything to do with the choice. Indeed, no commercial developer has ever said they chose GTK/GNOME over Qt/KDE because of licensing issues.
Re:OpenOffice.org (Score:5, Informative)
It is using Native widgets and such, but:
- the Qt version in use is BETA
- they just made the native widget style code work two days ago. Very little work has been put in that direction yet.
Re:Nice effort, but . . . (Score:1, Informative)
Qt/Mac doesn't use fake widgets, but uses the Appearance manager, just like Cocoa and Carbon. *However*:
- Qt 3.3, which is currently a pre-release beta, and isn't detecting the new tab widgets and such in Panther, and thus falling back to older versions. Cocoa and Carbon were of course changed between Jaguar->Panther by Apple.
- The current port isn't meant to be pretty. It's meant to get things *working*.
One of the "Ben's" spearheading this effort had to say elsewhere:
"Colin, I'm with ya.
It's not like we don't know about the HIG, it's just that we only got things to *run* in the last week or two. Tweaking look and feel is still a long way off (Not to mention we're using a Qt beta. Some of it could be just the fault of incomplete Qt code.) If we were writing new code, it would be easy to start out fitting into the HIG, but since we're starting from existing code written for X11, we'll have to work up to it.
Making it fit in better is certainly on the TODO, but the first goal is to make it functional. So people, chill.
Have you USED APPLE WORKS???? (Score:3, Informative)
I tried and it is AWFUL!
Working on my Master's coursework I wrote some documents using Apple Works. Saved them in MSWord format (only format the Univeristy officially accepts - although I later discovered my tutor is also a Mac-head and would accept PDF), anyway, saved it in MSWord format. Came back to edit it later. All the formatting has been lost !!! OK so put it all back, cross fingers, save in Word format again. Come back later to edit, this time AppleWorks crashes each and every time I try to load a file IT HAD WRITTEN! That was the last straw so I went and bought MSOffice- and discovered the Entourage is actually quite a good email client (although now Mail has folders I've switched back to that).
Edward