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Texas High School Gets iBooks 124

bigjnsa500 writes "Starting in December, high school teachers and students in the sleepy south Texas town of Pleasanton will be receiving Apple iBook wireless laptops. The school has installed wireless access points throughout the campus, including classroom buildings, the shop areas, gym, field house and press box at the football stadium. It will be first high school campus in South Texas to go high-tech." Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't that $2.2m over four years be better spent on books and teachers?
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Texas High School Gets iBooks

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  • surely... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by xirtam_work ( 560625 ) on Friday November 21, 2003 @08:29AM (#7527279)
    I'm sure they've let some money for teachers. It's not mutually exclusive to spend money on technological resources and teachers is it?
  • by Llywelyn ( 531070 ) on Friday November 21, 2003 @08:58AM (#7527356) Homepage
    Doesn't confining a laptop to a classroom defeat the purpose of having a laptop? Besides, letting them take the laptops home allows them to write papers etc while at home.

    That said, the iBook is a pretty durable laptop. You can put one through a good deal of abuse and it will still come out okay. So broken is only a nominal issue.

    Lost and Stolen are more of a concern, but I don't see that as being a big problem in a small town when the laptops are already being locked down and probably have the serial numbers linked to the students. This isn't exactly NYC we're talking about here--if you leave a backpack on a bus you'll probably get the backpack back with all of its contents intact.
  • by dbirchall ( 191839 ) on Friday November 21, 2003 @09:36AM (#7527504) Journal
    Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't that $2.2m over four years be better spent on books and teachers?
    Um, no. We've had 2 or 3 decades of the mantra of "we need more money for books and teachers," and has it helped? Not really.

    Why? Well, I'm not an academic, but I think they forget that learning is something you do, not something that's done to you. You can't teach someone who doesn't want to learn, isn't ready to learn, or whatever. Conversely, you can't stop someone from learning who really wants to. Teachers are all well and good for the middle third of kids, I suppose... but give a kid a computer and odds are they'll learn something without you having to tell them to do so.

  • by ViolentGreen ( 704134 ) on Friday November 21, 2003 @09:37AM (#7527515)
    Is this legal ? Does giving a computer for free allow you to monitor and filter whatever you want ?

    I would say yes. It is property of the school so the school is entitled to ensure that their property is being used correcetly. They are probably doing this for legal reasons as well. If the students decide to do something illegal with the computers, the school can stop it before action is taken against the school.
  • by Quixotic Raindrop ( 443129 ) on Friday November 21, 2003 @10:29AM (#7527860) Journal
    You make an interesting point about learning/education being a process that students undergo, but I think you are confusing the issue. First, the money spent on the computers probably comes from a capital fund, which in many states cannot be used for teacher pay or textbooks (it's illegal to mix the funds in many states).

    Second, the "mantra of we need more money for books and teachers" doesn't seem to have helped because it's a mantra, and the funding doesn't actually get improved. The argument often used is "the money we gave you already hasn't helped, why should we give you more?" (the "good money after bad" theory.) The problem can be made more clear this way: if we funded the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force with $10 Million to share between them, we'd have been run over by the North Koreans already. We have asked our public schools to perform one of the most vital and non-trivial tasks in society, and we have asked them to do it with about 20% of the money they need. Until we fully fund all public schools, we cannot say that we have fairly assessed them, and are in no position to criticize them for failing.
  • by midifarm ( 666278 ) on Friday November 21, 2003 @10:57AM (#7528104) Homepage
    TX already has bigger threats than some imaginary disease brought on by wifi. How about all the brown fields in TX? Pollution from all the factories that dump chemicals into the rivers and water tables that get conveniently overlooked? The idiots running around with their concealed weapons?

    Besides books can be issued on the iBooks. More pressure needs to be applied to the publishing companies to make all books available via PDF. Every kid in America should have an iBook!

    Peace

  • by MyNameIsFred ( 543994 ) * on Friday November 21, 2003 @10:59AM (#7528122)
    What you say is true, but kids will play games with anything. When I was in school, we folded paper into triangles and played football. We played hockey with quarters. We had races on inclined desks with erasers. And when calculators were first introduced into our schools, we played games with the calculators. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Saying kids will play games with something is always true, and is not a good excuse for not doing it. (Not that I think computers are necessarily a good idea.)
  • by ivan256 ( 17499 ) * on Friday November 21, 2003 @11:28AM (#7528381)
    doesn't seem to have helped because it's a mantra, and the funding doesn't actually get improved.

    Hah.

    As somebody who lives in a town that has had outragous tax increases every year since the late eighties, let me tell you that it's more than a mantra. The problem is that the money doesn't go to teachers and books alone, it goes to the school. Then a huge chunk is paid to school administrators, is used to expand the sports program, renovate buildings, and by the time the additonal money gets down to the teachers and books, the teachers that already are overpaid (yes, overpaid. $60k/9 months is overpaid, and that's the average around here... many make more than that here) get raises and no progress has been made.

    I refuse to believe that students learn better in a new building than in one built in 1970. I refuse to believe that raising my taxes again is going to improve the local schools when last time they increased the schools funding they used the money to build a football field. I resent parents voting for things with long term costs so they can have their little brats go to the best school possible, and then move to a town with lower taxes promptly after said brats graduate from high school, and I resent it because it destroys the community; something i believe is every bit as important as the number of teachers and books in the school. It's sad when all the retired residents of your town are forced to sell the houses their families have owned for generations because some self-focused parents have no concept of the long term concequences.

    Instead of throwing money at the problem we should be making the hard decisions and fixing the problems that make educating a child in a public school so expensive. That means standing up to teachers unions in communities where the teachers are overpaid. That means not nescicarily trying to win the state basketball championship. That means staying in that building even though it's an ugly relic of a past generation. That means not hiring administrators back on at an hourly rate and into a useless position after they retire and get their pension. When you can convince me you've stopped wasting money, you can try to convince me you need more.
  • by duffbeer703 ( 177751 ) on Friday November 21, 2003 @11:52AM (#7528616)
    It's always funny to listen to educational "experts" wax on about the need to put computers in every class.

    What a total joke. If schools cannot teach reading and algebra, "teaching computers" (whatever that means) is pointless.
  • by fridgepimp ( 136338 ) on Friday November 21, 2003 @12:54PM (#7529243) Homepage
    That comment MIGHT be interesting IF private schools hadn't demonstrated the ability to educate students (usually with better educations) for fewer dollars per student per year. Often, too, they pay teachers pretty well.

    And NO, not all private schools are for rich kids.

    The problem with funding our education system is that the bureaucracy built around education is so massive, and generally scarfs all the money.

    -fp
  • No, sorry (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Mikey-San ( 582838 ) on Friday November 21, 2003 @01:12PM (#7529435) Homepage Journal
    Actually, I guarantee you they won't be able to boot into any other OS BUT Mac OS X. They won't be able to boot from a CD. A FireWire drive. NetBoot. Nothing. They won't even be able to drop into >console.

    Why?

    Lock-downs. If this town is smart, they'll lock down the machines the same way Henrico County Public Schools did in Virignia. (After learning the hard way.) Firmware locks, linking >console to dropping into the "/dev/null" shell (wink wink), etc. The kids will get their own account and will never even /see/ the (hidden) admin account.

    I work for a repair depot that services the county, and lemme tell ya: These machines are /tight./ You can't even yank the RAM and zap the PRAM to reset the OF password because of these nifty little anti-theft strips that cross the AirPort card and top EMI shield. You can't remove the AirPort card to get to the RAM, and if you DO remove the strip, you get this nice little tattoo left behind by the sticker that means "hahapwned" to administrators.

    Hopefully, Texas is going to implement similar measures. If not, they're going to have baaaad headaches.

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