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New 20" iMac and Dual 1.8GHz PowerMac G5 467

joekra writes "Today, Apple released a new 20" iMac and a Dual 1.8GHz PowerMac G5. Both were accurately rumored at the last minute by the usual suspects. In fact, the Dual 1.8GHz G5 configuration was rumored back in July to shift demand away from the popular 2.0GHz PowerPC G5s." I'm holding out for a couple rounds of price drops, but I think a G5 is definitely in my future.
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New 20" iMac and Dual 1.8GHz PowerMac G5

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  • Only logical (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Hawthorne01 ( 575586 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @11:51AM (#7502275)
    As most of the benchamarks showed a dramatic difference between the single 1.8 and the dual 2 ghz. If only they're kept the single 1.8 at a lower price point as an intro to the wonderful world of Serial ATA and a faster FSB.

    These are still both great machines. I love my 17" iMac as a home machine, and a 20" screen is even more alluring.

  • by openSoar ( 89599 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @11:51AM (#7502276)
    that powerbook would go very nice with the rumored 30" cinema display [macrumors.com] that should be out early next year - even though dell beat [crn.com] them to the 2.5 feet punch.
  • G5 mania (Score:2, Interesting)

    by dukeluke ( 712001 ) * <dukeluke16.hotmail@com> on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @11:53AM (#7502286) Journal
    Well, G5s are truly here now - and they've got the flashy specs to boot.

    My advice? - Grab a G5 as soon as you can - they're fast, strong, and reliable. Yet, they do run the MacOS - which is fine if you're a artsy kinda person.

    I use my windows machine for gaming. & My linux box for serious computing/recovery. I'd definitely only suggest the G5 if you're not into windwos gaming at all - 'cause other than that - Macs have all the rest of the fun!
  • by Golias ( 176380 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @12:18PM (#7502522)
    Good point there. Those looking for long-term value might want to buy an $800 eMac, and plug the video-out port into the $1299 Studio display. Set the eMac sideways behind the display so you don't block the DVD bay. For $2099, you are giving up a small amount of CPU speed, and it's not as s3xy as the iMac, but some geeks would probably be happier going that route.

    On the other hand, if you are looking to drop a fat wad of cash for a 20" screen attached to a unique-looking computer that's less than half the power of the current G5 towers, you are probably not the type to sweat over maximizing bang-for-the-buck to begin with.

  • by nocturbulous ( 661961 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @12:41PM (#7502732)
    [i]This also speaks well to IBM's ability to get chips out of the factory and into systems[/i] hmmm, to me it says IBM have a surplus of 1.8ghz chips and a shortage of 2ghz chips, especially when Apple's line is [i]to shift demand away from the popular 2.0GHz PowerPC G5s[/i]
  • Re:crapple (Score:5, Interesting)

    by bluethundr ( 562578 ) * on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @12:44PM (#7502759) Homepage Journal
    ... these /. mac fags should go get their own site and leave real enthusiasts/nerds alone.

    Okay. I'll bite. Dear Mister Troll sir...as to us having a site of our own...we do [macslash.org]. In [macrumors.com] fact [macnn.com] we [macobserver.com] have [macworld.com] several [macminute.com] from [macintouch.com] which [macmerc.com] to [macosx.com] choose [powerpage.org]. And, pray tell, what in your tiny little troll-like mind leads you to believe that Mac users are all of a particular sexual orientation of any kind at all? Or that mac users don't qualify [architosh.com] as nerds? [wired.com] And by some strange twisting path of logic that we don't in some way belong here [slashdot.org]?Newsfalsh! The mac now not only sports a command line environment, but you can set your environment to your shell of choice [versiontracker.com]!

    I know, I know, please don't feel the trolls. Move along. Move along...
  • by TheCrazyFinn ( 539383 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @12:51PM (#7502842) Homepage
    No, it's handmedown computing.

    In 3-4 years (Mac's tend to have a longer production lifetime than PC's) you pass it on to the kids/younger siblings and upgrade your system.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @01:58PM (#7503484)
    The next iMac trick should be:

    I rotate the screen 90 degrees CCW, and the display shifts to portrait mode.

    If the screens get any bigger, they'll be iTipovers.
  • Re:20 inch LCD (Score:4, Interesting)

    by danamania ( 540950 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @02:02PM (#7503512)
    A 20 inch powerbook? come now, that'd look so silly! [danamania.com]
  • by gerardrj ( 207690 ) * on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @02:06PM (#7503560) Journal
    To be techically correct, OS X (and every Mac OS since System 6) are capable of "multiple monitor" support. This means that the system can use as many display ports as you can cram in to the system. I used to run 5 displays on a Quadra 900 under System 7. I currently run 3 from my G3/333 (one from internal, two from a Radeon 7000).
    The current set of dual-head display cards available would allow you to drive 8 displays off a single PowerMac; 6 via PCI and 2 via AGP.
    If you consider that the current crop of PowerMacs can process up to 9 video streams simultaneously, this setup sounds a lot less ludicrous, You could drive a fairly large video wall with that.
  • Re:Buying a Mac (Score:2, Interesting)

    by javaxman ( 705658 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @02:27PM (#7503766) Journal
    Is there any advice for a Mac n00b on what to look for? I am coming from Linux and am mostly interested in a machine I can let the kids play games on. I may stick to windows if that is my only choice, but I would like to know what you guys do to keep your kids happy? and do the Disney games run on Mac since they are mostly Flash based?

    What to look for depends on what you need/want/can afford. How old are the kids? Could you trust them not to destroy that nice iMac flat screen ( although honestly, it's pretty tough, my two-year-old hasn't damaged mine yet )? Or do you need a CRT? Or do you have a CRT and/or a tight budget? These questions would need to be answered before anyone could tell you to get an eMac, iMac or PowerMac. Get yourself and maybe your kids to an Apple Store, you'll figure it out.

    In my experience, Linux users who would even consider Apple hardware absolutely love OS X once they wrap their heads around what's going on.

    Obviously you'll have to check out the system requirements of those games yourself, but I've found almost all web-based Flash and Shockwave content works fantastically on OS X these days, Macromedia has been good about supporting the platform, especially over the past year.

    Of course, I'd want to get a dual 2.0Ghz G5 PowerMac myself, although that would be overkill for even my own digital video editing use, let alone my two-year-old's games... not that overkill is a bad thing. It's extra-nice that I can easily set up the kid's login account so he can't destroy the machine or launch some of the more violent games.

  • by MoneyT ( 548795 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @03:47PM (#7504494) Journal
    Because:

    The cheap box wont run OS X
    The cheap box doesn't have as good a display
    The cheap box isn't quiet
    The cheap box doesn't have firewire
    The cheap box wont fit into a small space
    The cheap box doesn't have a DVD burner
    Because by using the cheap box, I somehow have something in common with idiots like you.
  • by fuerstma ( 15683 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @03:57PM (#7504615) Homepage
    Steve Jobs came back onboard, the product line was way out of hand. I seem to remember there being like 40 products avaialable, no one was sure which product were appropriate for whom.

    Jobs (and I am sure lots of other smart people behind the scenes) introduced the 4 quadrants, and Apple suddenly had the easiest decision making avaiable of any computer manufacterer. Student, or on a budget? Want a laptop - iBook. Want a desktop - iMac. Professional? Want a laptop - Powerbook. Want a desktop - G4/G5.

    Sure, being so simple might for a 'tweener' to make a choice between upper level and lower level, but creating a choice specific for the 'tweener' crowd makes for a polluted, evil product line. (Along with fragmented R&D costs, higher production costs, etc...)

    So my question is, where the hell does a 20" iMac fit in? Certainly at a base cost of $2199 it doesn't fill anyones needs well. Sure, 20" of flat panel goodness aimed at the consumer market is a bit groundbreaking and good outside the box thinking (which I think Apple under Jobs is again known for) but how are you going to market it? Why are you doing to pollute the sales to the "low end" desktop iMac line, with a $2199 and up computer? If I've got $2000 to spend on a computer, do I want a G4 or an iMac? That decision was once made for me by the simple matrix, now that option isn't so simple.

    The continued existance of the eMac must really drive Jobs nuts. An actual CRT! Son-of-a-bitch!
  • Re:Big screen! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by pyros ( 61399 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @03:59PM (#7504632) Journal
    I believe that is what confuses people about the whole monitor height issue. Most people do slouch a bit, to the point that your head is tilted down slightly, to look at a monitor which is above your head in a sea-level sense, but at a down-angle from eye-level.
  • by Lewisham ( 239493 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @05:23PM (#7505438)
    It's not about an ego trip (Mmm, ego stroking). Honest! :)

    It's like this. We all know someone who's a total petrol-head, always tinkering with his car, reading all the magazines, etc. Who's the first person you talk to when you're buying a new one?

    I've long since accepted the Alpha Geek mantle pushed onto me by my friends. Whenever something is going screwy, they come and give me a call.

    Now let's think about the petrolhead. Say you don't speak to him and come back with a shiny new Lada (really bad Russian car, in case they aren't in the US). Then it breaks in two days. As it would. Is your car friend going to help you? Probably not. He'd probably say you should have asked him first.

    He's a more extreme case, but it was what I was shooting at. Of course I'm going to help my friends with their PC problems, but I'm not going to be happy if it was a problem they wouldn't have had by going somewhere else. Like poor after-sales. Or no expandability. Or a big sticker on the box that says "You invalidate your warranty by opening this case."

    After a house and a car (or, for some, ahead of the car!) a PC is the most expensive thing you will buy. Why would you not check on your friend's knowledge?
  • by Lewisham ( 239493 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @05:33PM (#7505574)
    I've been trying to switch a couple of my friends. The one I mentioned in my parent post is a prime example. I brought around my Powerbook, showed him how it did everything he wanted it to. He agreed that it did.

    But, unfortunately, the Mac myths are still prevalent in the UK. I tried to convince him that I could swap files with PC users.

    Him: "But where is the floppy drive?"
    Me: "No-one uses floppy drives anymore, just burn it onto a CD-RW"
    Him: "Hmm, my lecturers might want floppies"
    Me: "Then email it to them!"

    Eventually, I managed to beat him down to the simple fact that he wasn't going to switch unless Doom III was coming with him. That's fair enough, I suppose, but 1400 for one game? Please. That's the weakest excuse ever. There's some sort of horrific Mac stigma that Apple really need to shake off. No amount of geek evangelism is going to help, because people assume that because you're a geek you *would* find it easy to use anyway. There's a bit of that, my little brother got an iMac and I came back from Uni to set it up for him. He has Jaguar and he had to keep going into the Applications folder just to launch a program. He, quite rightly, was pretty annoyed at how long it took. I dragged the application folder into his dock, and hey, it's like a start menu. OS X comes with some pretty bad default settings.

    Apple needs to fix that, and then it needs to fix the people. The Switch campaign touched on it (the ads didn't reach the UK anyway), but never really drummed it in:

    Macs work with Windows. Macs can read Windows files. Macs can write Windows files. Macs can do everything you want. Macs *work*.
  • Japanese site (Score:2, Interesting)

    by pario ( 675744 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @06:47PM (#7506269)
    This is probably the Japanese site you are talking about. The site is run by a dentist who is famous for taking apart every single new Mac as soon as he gets his hands on them. A lot of nice pics inside the iMac.

    page 1 [61.194.6.236] (translation) [excite.co.jp]
    page 2 [61.194.6.236] (translation) [excite.co.jp]
    page 3 [61.194.6.236] (translation) [excite.co.jp]

  • by tychay ( 641178 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @06:49PM (#7506285) Homepage

    They're not perfect:

    • First to adopt built-in DVD-RAM (G4 PowerMac/500 [everymac.com]).
    • Same with integrated Zip drives.
    • They had to fail with the cube [everymac.com] before they could succeed with the flat-panel iMacs [everymac.com].
    • How about their ignominious G3 on laptop debut [everymac.com]?
    • the verdict is still out on their predeliction for slot-loaded drives (though personally, I find it a nice addition).
    • and there is this precursor [everymac.com] to the iMac.
    • they were slow on the uptake of USB 2.0
    • I don't think ADC will replace DVI anytime soon.

    Those hardware-only examples above are all post-Jobs. You're generally right: in fact, you missed the "all-in-one" design, inclusion of USB in the iMac, easy-open cases, the translucent plastics "fad", and the first to use WiFi. Recent smart decisions may include Serial ATA, DVI outs, PCI-X, Bluetooth, IEEE1394b, and 802.11g. These decisions and others are why the market rewards Mac users with a high resale value on eBay.

  • Re:crapple (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bluethundr ( 562578 ) * on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @08:27PM (#7507055) Homepage Journal
    Well... there was the naming computers after fruits phase that made me question Mac users sexuality

    Okay, now I think I may have a clearer idea of why you may think of mac users as 'teh ghey', but I stand by my claim that there is NO commonality (sexual, political or otherwise) amongst mac users... except for a ruthless efficiency [mit.edu] and fanatical devotion [mit.edu] to the pope... [bbc.co.uk] But as to the naming of a computer comany after a fruit...has to do mostly with the bizarre dietary habits of Steve Jobs. Now he is the strictest of vegetarians...a VEGAN! [bbc.co.uk] The most dreaded strain of vegetarian at all. BUT before Steve-O was a vegetarian of any stripe he was a fruitarian [thenewearth.org]. As far as I understand (I am an Atkins practicioning carnivour, and not a vegetarian or especially a "fruitarian") fruitairians not only eat only fruit...it is prohibited by some sects to eat any fruit that has not dropped naturally to the ground from the vine. NO HAND PICKING or OFF THE DAMN DIRTY HIPPY COMMUNE YOU GO!!! :) Before Jobs started Apple, he lived for a while on a Fruitarian commune in Oregon. Many suppose that it was this experience that lead to the naming of the now famous computer company.

    Actually, as I google around, I find this supposedly direct quote: [fireinthevalley.com]

    I was actually a fruitarian at that point in time. I ate only fruit. Now I'm a garbage can like everyone else. And we were about three months late in filing a fictitious business name so I threatened to call the company Apple Computer unless someone suggested a more interesting name by five o'clock that day. Hoping to stimulate creativity. And it stuck. And that's why we're called Apple.


  • by platypussrex ( 594064 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2003 @11:01PM (#7507955)
    I don't really use my old "fat mac" any more, but the SE 30 has some games that don't run anywhere else, so it's turned on occasionally. The Centris 610 works just fine for my 10 year old to read her email, draw with appleworks, and write school papers. Plus we can still find some old games in the $5 bin for it. The Beige G3 still plays DVDs just fine and works great as a music server since I have never liked iTunes as well as SoundJamMP (developed by the same team before they did iTunes for Apple). My G4 AiBook is my main computer now, but I don't think it will be dumped when I finally get a G5. My other child loves her G3 "flower power" iMac and will take it to college with her, my mom loves her G3 iMac, and my wife hated computers until I bought her a 15" G4 iMac last year. Will I get rid of any of those? No Way. They all work fine, and will continue to do their job for years and years. In the same timeframe however, I've been through about 7 different DOS and Windoze boxes, and have tossed them out with no regrets as the next one came along.
  • by thedbp ( 443047 ) on Wednesday November 19, 2003 @04:32AM (#7509251)
    did anyone else notice that they also bumped the RAM up to DDR333 across the line, they're all capable of bluetooth and airport extreme (previous the low end was not) and they updated the graphics cards, opting for a 64MB card in the 20" display? Plus a min. of 80GB of HD space?

    And kept the same price point?

    And day by day the Mac becomes an even BETTER value for the money ...

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