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Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update, Take Two 208

Posted by michael from the do-you-feel-lucky? dept.
javaxman writes "OS X users will find Mac OS X Update version 10.2.8 is available via 'Software Update'. If you did not install the previous 10.2.8 update, the size of the new update is 40.6MB. If you installed the previous update, the size of the new update is small, ~680K... if you can connect to the network, that is. Clearly you get different downloads depending on what you did with the previous 10.2.8 update. Apple Knowledge Base article 25524 has the details. It looks very familiar. I'm installing mine right away, how about you?"
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Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update, Take Two

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  • If you installed the previous update, the size of the new update is small, ~680K...

    ... but it reported 580k for me. :)

    • Your nitpick is appreciated.

      I did not install the original update, and was repeating something someone else told me ( which is why I used '~' for the smaller number, but new for sure the 40.6MB number ).

      Please be gentle. This is the first time I've submitted a story. I wasn't even aware that everything would be on one line, or I'd have made the story more concise.

      On the other hand, you're going to give me a hard time for a little 100k difference? Admit it, you love to nitpick !

    • ... but it reported 580k for me. :)

      640K ought to be enough for anybody.

  • Deja Vou (Score:5, Funny)

    by profet ( 263203 ) on Friday October 03, 2003 @05:46PM (#7128250)
    In the immortal words of George "DoubleYa":

    "Fool me once...shame on you....
    Fool me twice...umm....
    Shame..on...Shame...on...
    Well you're not gonna fool me again..."

    I'll wait for some other people to install first..

    • Re:Deja Vou (Score:2, Informative)

      by ioErr ( 691174 )
      Unwilling to learn from the mistakes of others I installed the upgraded version of 10.2.8 on my eMac twenty minutes ago.

      So far, so good. The network does work, the computer is able to wake from sleep, no crashes when using the processor 100%.
    • Did Bush really say that?

      It's so sad/funny/pathetic when you can't tell the difference between satire about him, and something he acutally said.

  • The mini update created no problems (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I had the "pulled" 10.2.8 update installed and downloaded this small fix. I had not experienced any problems with the "former" 10.2.8 update. And everything is working fine with this Mac OS X 10.2.8 (6R73) update. OK, I admit to fixing permissions as a precaution. So go ahead and download!

  • yup! (Score:5, Funny)

    by nocomment ( 239368 ) on Friday October 03, 2003 @05:54PM (#7128319) Homepage Journal
    I'm installing mine righ
    [NO CARRIER]

    • Re:yup! (Score:2, Insightful)

      by cunnilingus ( 706302 )
      now that's a cool news.. geesh.. maybe we should start posting every linux/windows updates here too ? i mean, wtf ?

  • This doesn't fix the crashing for me (Score:5, Interesting)

    by RalphBNumbers ( 655475 ) on Friday October 03, 2003 @05:57PM (#7128340)
    This may fix the ethernet problem, I don't know, it didn't affect me, but there were other problems with 10.2.8, www.MacFixIt.com made a fairly extensive list.

    This definitely does not fix the crashing problem. (on my beige G3)
    It can happen at any time, and is sometimes mistaken as an inability to wake from sleep, but you can get it to happen reliably by trying to repair permissions.
    It outputs the following, then shuts down the display, and needs to be hard-restarted.

    2003-10-03 17:36:12 -0400 - Repair of privileges has started
    We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./System/Library/Filesystems/hfs.fs/hfs.util. New permissions are 33261
    Permissions differ on ./System/Library/Filesystems/hfs.fs/hfs.util, should be -rwxr-xr-x , they are -rwsr-xr-x
    Owner and group corrected on ./System/Library/Filesystems/hfs.fs/hfs.util
    Perm issions corrected on ./System/Library/Filesystems/hfs.fs/hfs.util
    Grou p differs on ./private/var/run/utmp, should be 0, group is 1
    Owner and group corrected on ./private/var/run/utmp
    Permissions corrected on ./private/var/run/utmp
    • No problems here, have you tried booting from another disk and repairing permissions that way?
      • I tried that, although it was before I installed the replacement-10.2.8 version.
        And I've tried repairing permissions in single-user mode too. (it doesn't crash, but it doesn't fix the problem either).
        • Hmm, one of the posters up above reported they had crashing problems in the last update when the processor was running at or close to 100%. Any apps that are chewing up a lot of CPU time? (run "top" in the terminal)
      • Don't repaid permisions from another drive.

        Repair permissions uses the information stored on the boot drive to determine what the right permissions should be, therefore if you repair the permissions from your none standard boot partition, all your permissions will be borked when you boot back on that partition.

    • Re:This doesn't fix the crashing for me (Score:5, Funny)

      by sg3000 ( 87992 ) * <sg_public@@@mac...com> on Friday October 03, 2003 @07:40PM (#7129177)
      > This definitely does not fix the crashing problem. (on my
      > beige G3)

      Indeed! And this new petroleum distillate from the local service shoppe doesn't work for me either. Without the added "lead", it wreaks havoc with my Stutz Bearcat.

      Tell you what, if you can find a way to re-vulcanize my tires, I'll give you a shiny new nickel so you can buy a new Macintosh.
      • Indeed! And this new petroleum distillate from the local service shoppe doesn't work for me either. Without the added "lead", it wreaks havoc with my Stutz Bearcat.
        Actually, beige G3's are nice machines. The are nearly as fast as the iBooks many people are still carrying. For many tasks, such as web browsing, word processing, and serving up iTunes music, they work quite well.

        And mine works just fine with 10.2.8, and it doesn't hang if I repair permissions.

    • We had the same problem on our Beige G3. At the Apple discussion forums, someone said he fixed it by setting the Energy Saver settings so that the computer never goes to sleep and no separate setting for the screen (so it also never goes to sleep). We did that here at home (without rebooting, since those settings immediately go into effect), but it crashed again. Since rebooting afterwards, it has not yet crashed a single time yet though, so it does seem to help.

  • I'm installing mine right away, how about you?

    I think I'll wait for others this time around, thanks. My poor powerbook's battery life certainly can't take another hit while it's already flat on its back.

    And no, it actually did affect the battery life on my machine, not just the timer.

    • Same here. I switched my timer to a percentage, so as not to be distracted by it - but I found that my battery life definitely was reduced. Too early to tell for the new update.
    • plug it in, boot holding cmd-option-O-F, when you get to the OpenFirmware prompt type:

      reset-nvram
      reset-all

      some 'flashing' messages will happen and the machine will reboot. discharge the battery fully and then charge it fully. repeat once if needed.

      The iBook batteries are pretty flaky, yours might actually be dead if this doesn't fix it. Call and tell Apple that your battery is dead and send it back, make use of that AppleCare you bought (you did buy it right?).

  • 12" PowerBook Install Success (Score:3, Informative)

    by Llywelyn ( 531070 ) on Friday October 03, 2003 @06:08PM (#7128416) Homepage
    Installed the update to the update, no problems so far, will keep apprised if the situation changes.

  • Just installed it... (Score:2, Informative)

    by CoolCat ( 594452 )
    .. and somehow Finder seems to be a litle more responsive on my powerbook 15"...

    • Re:Just installed it... (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Amazing. A Mac user discovers that REBOOTING his machine makes it faster. Will wonders never cease?

      OS X is a little weird. If you have too little RAM--if you swap, in other words--rebooting makes your machine faster because it cleans out fragmented memory pages. If you have enough (i.e., too much) RAM, rebooting actually slows you down because with tons of RAM you can end up caching most of your applications in RAM even when they're not running.

      I have a gig of RAM in my G4, and it gets faster and faster a
      • Yeah right, like I've never rebooted before this update.
      • OS X is a little weird.

        It's not like things don't work the exact same way in every other OS created in the past 10 years.

      • re: rebooting, why is it that after I reboot, I generally get 500 MEG back on my hard drive 1G TI. Is the garbage collection that slow to reclaim swapdisk space on OS X or what? Anyone know what is going on?
        • why is it that after I reboot, I generally get 500 MEG back on my hard drive 1G TI

          That's probably from clearing out /tmp.

          Also keep in mind that Finder's "free space" reporting seems to lag pretty badly behind reality. If you want to know how much space you *really* have free at any given moment, try 'df -k'.
          • > That's probably from clearing out /tmp.

            If your /tmp is that big, you're doing something very strange. No, that is, of course, the extra swap file(s) that MacOS X creates when it runs out of swap space with the first swap file it creates. You reboot, the extra swap file goes away, and doesn't get recreated for a while.

            Incidentally, if you use up that 500 megs in the mean time, so you don't have enough space on the boot drive for MacOS X to create a new swap file when it needs to, Bad Things Happen.
    • The Mac equivalent of the "...profit!" joke is "the new release makes my machine more "Snappy(TM)".
  • ...but not showing up in the Software Update. Odd, because Apple has this page [apple.com] on the G5 10.2.8 update. Has anyone else been able to download the G5 version of 10.2.8 using the Software Update?

    Bob

    • Not at this end. And contrary to what Apple's G5 10.2.8 update page [apple.com] says, the Apple downloads page [apple.com] doesn't list it.

      My theory? This is Apple's way of conditioning us to wait a prudent interval before installing a software update that has a small but measurable risk of causing spontaneous combustion in goldfish, draining your lymph nodes and shrinking all your synthetic fabrics. I, for one, am grateful. Really.

      • Actually, it's been a while since my lymph nodes have been drained, I'm probably due by now.

        I need a lube job, too, but that's an entirely different issue.

        -fred

        Grr. No, slashdot, I'm not behind a wacky firewall, it really HAS been one minute since I last posted. I'm fast. Deal with it.

        Please?

  • Battery life is back! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Trurl's Machine ( 651488 ) on Friday October 03, 2003 @06:29PM (#7128569) Journal
    I don't want to start a holy war here, but I was really scared that 10.2.8 ate my battery life for good. I'm so happy to see the familiar 4h+ is back (battery is about a year old; iBook 800 12").

  • OpenSSL update? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by phch ( 398574 ) on Friday October 03, 2003 @06:35PM (#7128603)
    It's a little unclear whether the new problems in OpenSSL [slashdot.org] have been patched. According to the CERT [cert.org] page, Apple is reporting the vulnerability as fixed in 10.2.8. On the other hand, I have a 10.2.8 machine that still indicates OpenSSL version 0.9.6i, which is supposedly vulnerable.

    Again, on a side note, I wish Apple would allow security updates to be installed independently of the main bulk upgrade.

    • Re:OpenSSL update? (Score:3, Informative)

      by AnamanFan ( 314677 )
      Apple made their own patch fixes with-in the OpenSSL (and others), hence similar verison number.

      This link [apple.com] has a link to the mailing list post from Apple that states the details. To access this link, use the username and password: archives
      • I don't see anything about OpenSSL in that link, only OpenSSH. The OpenSSL vulnerability was reported [openssl.org] several days after that post.

        Speaking of OpenSSH, it's possible that the OpenSSL vulnerability may render OpenSSH vulnerable. Apparently, the newer versions of OpenSSH do not use OpenSSL for signature validation; however, Apple uses a somewhat older version of OpenSSH (3.4p1).
    • Definitely wouldn't surprise me.
    • It's really not unclear at all... I received the following in my inbox:

      [ message edited slightly due to lameness filter ]

      APPLE-SA-2003-10-03 Mac OS X 10.2.8 Revised

      Mac OS X 10.2.8 has been re-posted, and it is updated to address
      issues discovered with certain system configurations. The security
      enhancements in Mac OS X 10.2.8 are identical between the first
      release and the one now available.

      This note describes all security enhancements in Mac OS X 10.2.8,
      with the following new information:

      * Security enha
  • The flurry screen saver seems very blocky now. Like a bunch of rectangles on the screen. Also abstract no longer shows pictures. The dock icons also turn into folders now instead of the program icons. The OS does seem a little snappier.

  • Seems to be okay this time (Score:3, Interesting)

    by capmilk ( 604826 ) on Friday October 03, 2003 @06:58PM (#7128866)
    No more transparent dock - but other than that everything seems to be just fine.

  • one word (Score:5, Funny)

    by sohp ( 22984 ) <snewtonNO@SPAMio.com> on Friday October 03, 2003 @07:27PM (#7129086) Homepage
    WORKSFORME

    (ok that's really 3, but bugzilla users will understand)
  • ...on a PB G4 550. Finder seems a little slower than usual though... Perhaps they are slowing it down on purpose so that we are all pressured to upgrade to Panther? :^)
  • So I ain't toucing this. If it ain't broke. . .

  • Battery Timer Weirdness (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Eharley ( 214725 ) on Friday October 03, 2003 @08:43PM (#7129569)
    I just installed the latest update on my 12" Powerbook and wanted to see what exactly they'd done with the battery timer. I was really pissed when my battery life was halved (literally, I timed it), instead of just the indicator lying to me as Apple swore.

    Right now, as I type this post, my battery is at 96% charge and the timer is widly fluctuating starting at 8:35, then 5:35, then 4:45, now 4:10, back to 3:42, and again at 3:59.

    What I really liked about 10.2.6 was that the battery timer was really accurate for some reason. I have read many posts here and on other Macintosh websites that say the battery timer is never to be trusted, but I just couldn't believe them.

    Back to 4:02.
    • The life you'll get out of a fully charged battery obviously depends on the rate at which you draw power. If you run your machine at full speed with the disk spinning, backlight on full blast, playing music from a CD at full volume, and maybe drive an external device or two, your battery won't last as long as if you slow down the processor, turn down the backlight, spin the drive down, etc.

      The battery timer can only estimate how long it will be until you run out of power based on how much power you've been
    • Mine fluctuated a lot shortly after boot. Now, it's fluctuating within a 5 minute range - but fluctuating every few seconds.

      Definitely annoying. The battery timer in 10.2.6 WAS very accurate. I think I'll switch to percentage display so that I don't have to see these minute fluctuations.

    • After installing the second 10.2.8 update, I ran my battery all the way down to recalibrate the timer, and now it is reporting 2 hours on a charge, which is half an hour better than before the first 10.2.9 update.
  • Not all is well. On my 1G Ti, Friday's 10.2.8 changed all the icons on my PDFs - even those with custom icons - to Adobe icons. It also changed the owner of my Eudora settings files to Spark ME.

    Don't know what else is wrong but that's not nice.

    Tards.

  • only 680k? (Score:5, Funny)

    by FuShock ( 636287 ) on Friday October 03, 2003 @10:22PM (#7130032)
    >If you installed the previous update, the size of >the new update is small, ~680K... if you can >connect to the network, that is.

    Well, you could always put it on a floppy di....damnit.
  • Since the update addressed issues I was having with my MS Bluetooth mouse, I installed it. Now I'm having mysterious issues with waking from sleep. Going to try resetting the Power Management Unit as a fix after I give DiskWarrior a shot at the hard drive. Have already reset PRAM and NVRAM with no luck.

  • Battery life completely gone now (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    OK I'm taking Apple to small claims court now no matter what their response. 2 weeks ago I installed 10.2.8 and it shredded my iBook's battery time down to an hour or less. It took nearly 10 phonecalls back and forwards between apple, my applecentre and I to get Apple to give me ANY kind of solution. Even then it was just a fax to tell me they won't do anything unless the battery doesn't work after an update "in the coming days".

    Now it's here, my battery gets 20 minutes, and Apple are still denying respons

    • Re:Battery life completely gone now (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I had the same problem after the first 10.2.8 and reset the power manager in my iBook (800mhz). Battery life went straight back up to 3+ hours. Try that.
    • i think this thread is entirely written up from trolls pasted from other threads.
  • I've installed the update (very tiny) on my iBook 700. However, I am waiting until I finish looking through /. before hitting restart (just in case--I can't be left out of the loop).

    So the Software Update icon is dancing happily in the Dock.

  • immediately after downloading the update, I had a minor startup crash- it just restarted itself, then took a while to boot. It seems to be fine now, but if you have any extremely important data you should back it up just in case (you should always do this before doing anything that touches your system).
  • After applying this update, all my MP3's are now Quicktime Movie files...

    When I try to open one, instead of invoking iTunes, my system opens macam - software to drive my webcam.

    Very confusing. I need to dig some more...

    This is not as bad as my trial with Windows XP this morning... Roaming Profiles SUCK...
    • Frequently, after an OS X update, files in ~/Library/Caches get deleted, including any custom file -> app bindings you've created. You'll just need to Get Info, Expand Open with, choose your app, and then Change All...

  • Why install at all? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Unless the update specifically fixes something that you are having a problem with, why install these interim updates at all? Remember the good old days when the free updates offered significant performance increases and new features? (Like 8. something). They ain't doing that anymore.

  • 10.1.5? (Score:3, Informative)

    by HSpirit ( 519997 ) on Saturday October 04, 2003 @03:15AM (#7131099)

    The message from Apple Product Security includes advice on fixing the sendmail vulnerability on 10.1.5 - which is a very good thing - but nothing similar for OpenSSH or OpenSSL.

    Now, OK, from what I gather the sendmail bug is more serious in that the vulnerabilities in OpenSSH and OpenSSL seem to be limited to DoS, but wouldn't similar instructions to updating OpenSSH/SSL on 10.1.5 be useful?

    APPLE-SA-2003-10-03 Mac OS X 10.2.8 Revised

    ...

    How to install Sendmail for Mac OS X 10.1.5 systems:

    - - From the UNIX command-line, perform the following steps:

    1. Download sendmail version 8.12.10 which contains the fix to the
    Zalewski advisory, released on 2003/09/17, by executing the following
    command:
    curl -O ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.12. 10.tar.gz

    2. Verify the integrity of this file by typing:
    cksum sendmail.8.12.10.tar.gz
    which should indicate "834313764 1892497 sendmail.8.12.10.tar.gz"

    3. Unpack the distribution as follows:
    tar xvzf sendmail.8.12.10.tar.gz

    4. Add the following line to your /etc/master.passwd file:
    smmsp:*:25:25::0:0:Sendmail User:/private/etc/mail:/usr/bin/false

    5. Add the following line to your /etc/group file:
    smmsp:*:25:

    6. Now invoke /Applications/Utilities/Netinfo Manager.app and add the
    same smmsp user and group entries to your netinfo database. The
    easiest way is to duplicate existing entries and edit them to match
    the entries in steps 4 and 5. For example, in the users pane you
    could select and the duplicate (%D) the entry for "www" and then edit
    the uid/gid/name/home directory fields in the new "www copy" to match
    those in step 4. Similarly, for groups you could select the entry for
    "mail" and duplicate it, editing just the name and gid fields to match
    those in step 5. When you're done, you should see a users/smmsp entry
    and a groups/smmsp entry.

    7. Now you're ready to start building the distribution. cd to the
    sendmail-8.12.10 directory and type "make"

    8. The next two steps will install the new sendmail:

    sudo mkdir /usr/share/man/cat1 /usr/share/man/cat5 /usr/share/man/cat8
    sudo make install

    Make sure the permissions on your root directory are 755 (or set
    DontBlameSendmail in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf) and reboot. You should
    now be running the patched sendmail.

  • Lot of Security Fixes (Score:2, Interesting)

    by dimmu ( 214039 ) *
    Looks like most of the update is Security Fixes in 3rd party software (openssl/openssh/sendmail) instead of a lot of bug fixes and some backports from 10.3.

    Hopefully 10.3 goes gold quickly :)

  • May as well chip in with my 2 fractional money units.

    Just applied this update to my Quicksilver 933, and all went reasonably well, though on reboot the keyboard and mouse was unresponsive. Mouse pointer just sat in the upper-left corner, unmoving.

    I had to pull the Apple Display cable out of the back of the unit to reset the USB hub in the display to get the keyboard and mouse attached to work. No biggie, I guess.

    Perhaps it was the DLink USB Bluetooth adapter in the keyboard hub?

  • So, I'm glad this update fixes Ethernet problems in Dual 500 systems..

    Unfortunately my new eMac still won't restart, shutdown, or logout -- and still have the other problems associated with the original 10.2.8 Update.

    Great work, Apple. Is a not-f*ed up eMac a selling point for buying Panther, now?
  • I just felt the need to post because of all the noise in here.

    I applied the original update to an iMac DVSE 500Mhz G3, and an iMac G4800 superdrive. Neither machine had any problems that I could notice, and none of the problems that I read about.

    I have applied the new 10.2.8 to both machines with success as well, and as yet no adverse side effects that I can note.

    Strangely, I just recieved my brand new 1Ghz 12' AlBook, and it came with 10.2.7 installed - which I had thought was just for G5s? I have upd

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