'Extraordinary' Soundtrack Will Be Apple-Exclusive 161
Isbiten writes "Apple has just gotten the rights to the soundtrack of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. There will be no physical CD and it will only be available from the iTunes Music Store. Cnet has the story."
wow (Score:5, Funny)
Re:wow (Score:2)
So at the end of the film - if anyone's still there - there'll be, on the screen, "Soundtrack available exclusively through the Apple Music Store".
Clever marketing. I'm guessing Apple paid a ton for this, especially to make up for the lost sales...
Re:wow (Score:3, Interesting)
Oh wait.
I don't live in the States.
I guess I'm SOL.
Re:wow (Score:2)
Re:wow (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm sure Apple would dearly love to be able to exclusively offer an entire album by a major mainstream artist who sells in the millions, but the labels aren't ready for that yet.
Yeah, smart move... (Score:3, Funny)
Brilliant. Give non-Mac users a desire to use P2P to acquire the music.
Re:Yeah, smart move... (Score:2)
Interesting point. But since there's no KaZaa for the Mac...
And, btw, why the hell isn't there?
Re:Yeah, smart move... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Yeah, smart move... (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, smart move... (Score:2)
Something like that. Read the mlDonkey page, and you'll see that it connects up to Kazaa's networks... so, no, it's not Kazaa... but yes, it uses their files.
Re:Yeah, smart move... (Score:4, Informative)
mlMac [versiontracker.com]
Neo [versiontracker.com]
However KaZaa has really gone down hill, mainly because of studio action. Most songs I try and download are "tweaked" with yelling in the middle or beeping or are of the wrong sound. It really isn't a good place to find music.
I personally use Direct Connect. You can find a hub with the style of music you like and are more likely to find obscure music. (i.e. blues, jazz, etc.) Further it has a much better selection of TV shows if you are trying to find a show you missed that week. The Mac client is still so-so, but they fixed the memory leaks of the version from the fall.
Re:Yeah, smart move... (Score:2)
I'm wondering what kind of music/artists you're downloading? Of all the talk about fake mp3s on Kazaa, I've never actually encountered one in two years or so of using it. Maybe that's because I don't generally download the newest, most popular songs though . .
About the lack of
Re: Yeah, smart move... (Score:3, Interesting)
In the US it'll be available only through the record label's site [varesesarabande.com]; outside the US it'll be sold in all the usual ways. Presumably CD stores in the US that carry imports will also get a few copies that way, so it actually should be quite possible for non-iTunes users to get it (and of course, once the Windows version is released, most people will be
Re: Yeah, smart move... (Score:2)
Ouch, glad Slashdot doesn't use the word 'fact' anywhere.
"As for whether it's a smart move or not, the point is actually to determine just that."
That's why I was annoyed. iTunes isn't mature enough for that. Granted, it's been successful, iTunes still isn't available for Windows. So the market's not just internet users, but Mac users?
Re: Yeah, smart move... (Score:2)
Heheh. Well, they (the other news reports and even Apple itself) are calling it an iTMS "exclusive"; I guess not having the CD be sold at retail in the US is considered close enough to the same thing. I'm not sure when it will be released; I've seen some indication it will actually be through a sublabel/sister label of Varèse's sometime in August, at least for the overseas release; I'm not sure if that applies to the website-only CD for th
Re: Yeah, smart move... (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, that's what sparked my original comment. They won't wait. They'll acquire it via P2P. And if that happens, I worry that it'll be used to justify DRM and legislation and everything else the RIAA has tried to do. I realize this is FOX and not the RIAA, but still.
"Hmm... perhaps that's why the CD's getting released
Re: Yeah, smart move... (Score:3, Informative)
It was in the older thread that I first heard about the iTMS distribution; through one of the other posters, I eventually got in touch with the Fox Music record producer who gave me the info that let me
Re: Yeah, smart move... (Score:2)
"I gather you're interested in getting this soundtrack, as I am; are you into scores?"
Sometimes. The music itself wasn't of that big of concern to me when I posted, but rather some of the motivations behind it. I mean, if the music turned out pretty decent, yeah I'd probably want to get it. However, I didn't post because I was going to be first in line to get this particular album.
Re: UPDATE (Score:2)
The CD is now available at Varèse's site [varesesarabande.com].
Re:Yeah, smart move... (Score:2)
I predict 3% on the Tomatometer! (Score:1, Flamebait)
This can only be indicitive of the luke-warm reception that is expected for this turkey.
-n
Re:I predict 4% on the Tomatometer! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I predict 3% on the Tomatometer! (Score:2)
Reviews at AICN [aintitcool.com]
Actually I'm more excited for the new Pirates of the Carribean movie. That looks like it may live up to what all the other movies this year have been trying to do and failing miserably. (Actually I liked Matrix: Reloaded - but it still wasn't near
Re:I predict 3% on the Tomatometer! (Score:2)
I hear dracula's bride (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:I hear dracula's bride (Score:1)
What if? (Score:5, Interesting)
What if I prefer my music to be compressed with FLAC?
What if I prefer to compress my music with MY parameters, to meet MY standards of audio fidelity?
While I am all for Apple being able to distribute this electronicly, while I can accept Apple being given sole electronic distribution rights to this music, I don't like that this won't be available as a plain ol' CD.
Re:What if? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What if? (Score:2)
Re:What if? (Score:2)
There may indeed be compilations someday that include at least a bit of this music, but they won't be of the "NOW That's What I Call Music" variety.
Re:What if? (Score:5, Insightful)
Then don't buy it.
Re:What if? (Score:1)
Re:What if? (Score:5, Insightful)
Just because you are used to one way of purchasing/enjoying art, doesn't make other methods 'unfair'.
What if I prefer to buy my music in a more lasting form?
So should sidewalk chalk artists not be allowed to make drawings?
What if I prefer my music to be compressed with FLAC?
So, should publishers not be allowed to print a book in whatever size they want, then distribute it on tape/cd/ebook/etc if they want?
What if I prefer to compress my music with MY parameters, to meet MY standards of audio fidelity?
So should a painter have to check with the buyer before he decides oil versus pastels, canvas versus illustration board, small versus mural, etc.?
Sure you can hang it/display it/listen to it wherever you want once you get it home, but as to where you can buy art, it's not 'unfair' that you have to go to a gallery contracted to sell the piece. Art isn't public domain (despite p2p advocates). It's a product, and if you choose to enjoy it, you are stuck with how the artist/rep choose to let you partake in it.
Re:What if? (Score:5, Interesting)
To paraphrase the US constitution:
Culture is the public domain. Art is one form of culture, and culture contributes to art. The public has the right to freely enjoy its culture. The US constitution makes it very clear that copyright is only granted, for a limited time, to reward the public for creating and expanding the public domain, and the public's culture. The burden of proof lies with you.
>Just because you are used to one way of
>purchasing/enjoying art, doesn't make other
>methods 'unfair'.
In the general sense, yes. But when Apple only sells music in a worse (more lossely compressed than CD or Flac), or the Louvre only sells copies of the Mona Lisa on postcards, or Pendant publishing won't even print old liturature, then it's both unfair and unethical to deprive the public of enjoying its culture.
Re:What if? (Score:4, Interesting)
And likewise, freely make their own art/culture contribution if they don't like what's offered. With all due respect, the way you phrased your initial comment could be twisted to include 'code poetry'. Yay, software piracy is for the 'greater good'.
The US constitution makes it very clear that copyright is only granted, for a limited time, to reward the public for creating and expanding the public domain, and the public's culture.
Very clear also, is copyright law that says you can do what you want with your work until the time you aren't protected by that law, and the 'common good' stuff kicks in. As far as I know, the soundtrack was just released and has a ways to go before it's in the class of American Standards.
Re:What if? (Score:4, Insightful)
What about rewarding innovation? Allowing inventors and creators to profit from their work before it goes to the people?
Why did you bring up a straw man argument? What you said is similar to saying good will is communism.
You hammered in the stake and brought the bale of hay. You insisted that copyright law is more for the public's good than protection of creation. I was trying to point out that software protection is mainly the protection of innovation.
What bothers me most about naysayers to Apple's deal is the assumption that it's somehow our right to have the maximum quality possible. I understand you don't think it's illegal, simply unfair. But the public still can enjoy it. If this were actually good music, I could play it and hear it and enjoy it. Considering the equipment the bulk of America listens to their music on, they don't care that much about super high fidelity either. They just want to enjoy it.
Re:What if? (Score:2, Interesting)
Which is why they are protected under copyright law, as I said.
>You insisted that copyright law is more for the public's good than protection of creation.
I insist that the protection of creation (as explained in the US constitution) is for the public's good.
>they don't care that much about super high fidelity either. They just want to enjoy it.
When the copyright expires, though, I'd rather have CDDA or Flac
Re:What if? (Score:2)
Copyright isn't primarily concerned with either of those things. They're nice to do, all else being equal, but neither is the point. Rewarding the public is the goal; the rest is secondary.
it's somehow our right to have the maximum quality possible
No, but OTOH why should we bother granting a copyright to something that's so shoddy? One of the aspects of rewarding the public is that
Re:What if? (Score:2, Insightful)
Now I know all you music freaks with more money than brains can "tell the difference" between CDA and DVDA, but the rest of the world doesn't care, and doesn't have the equipment to care.
Re:What if? (Score:3, Insightful)
Which is no different to selling on CDs. It's not the quality of the original. It's compressed to facilitate distribution.
To insist on getting original quality for every piece of artwork is totally infeasible - it either re
Re:What if? (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, that could be said. (though the formula for it makes people question the artistic nature of it...)
However, art is not just about self expression, it's about entertainment. Read on.
"So should sidewalk chalk artists not be allowed to make drawings?"
If their goal is to entertain, then sidewalk chalk artists wouldn't have much of a living. You have to admit, though, you have reached a ridiculous extreme here.
"So, should publishers not be allowed to print a book in whatever size
Re:What if? (Score:2)
The movie director decides "this character will die." The customer decides "we want to watch him die on VHS and not Beta."
Re:What if? (Score:2)
Re:What if? (Score:5, Insightful)
The way you talk, you'd think CDs were perfect reconstructions of the original music.
What if I prefer to get the original master tapes?
What if I prefer to create my own mixes of every song?
What if I prefer surround sound?
Every audio format out there has limitations, even CDs. For the price, you can't complain too much. Personally, I'd like to see Apple keep the singles price at 99 cents and drop the typical album price to $4.99. Given the info that leaked about Apple's meeting with the indie music labels, I think that is what Apple would like too. At that price point, it would be hard to complain too much about the audio quality unless you are really psycho.
AAC beats CD format becasue of.... (Score:3, Informative)
Sometimes you get what you pay for (which is why im glad i bought a mac).
Re:What if? (Score:2)
The meeting was supposed to have been confidential. Someone at CDBaby didn't realize that and posted details. Fortunately, someone at slasdot [slashdot.org] reposted the text. To wit:
I did, however, just make up the $4.99 number
Re:What if? (Score:5, Funny)
Tough shit.
What if I prefer my music to be compressed with FLAC?
Tough shit.
What if I prefer to compress my music with MY parameters, to meet MY standards of audio fidelity?
Tough shit.
I don't like that this won't be available as a plain ol' CD.
Tough shit.
Re:What if? (Score:5, Insightful)
Then purchase it from the iTMS, insert a blank CDR, and burn a copy from the playlist.
Re:What if? (Score:5, Insightful)
We're both SOL.
Can't you see the announcement is only for the free advertising? A month after they release the movie, Apple and Fox will quietly release the soundtrack on CD. Neither will sacrafice the chance to make extra money.
Re:What if? (Score:2)
2 & 3. when you purchase a CD you don't get to choose the encoding format. You have no choice. Why should this be any different?
You forgot to add:
What if I prefer to build my own hall suited to my ear, and select and conduct my own musicians to suit my taste in in
Re:What if? (Score:2)
You haven't heard the soundtrack yet, are you ABSOLUTELY sure you want it in a more lasting form?
Re:What if? (Score:2)
Re: What if? Then here you go. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:What if? (Score:2)
You new here by any chance?
This is a test from the labels... (Score:5, Insightful)
They can then use this to show that the protection in the iTunes store is not enough, and try to force Apple to change it before iTunes comes out for Windows.
All IMHO...
Re:This is a test from the labels... (Score:5, Insightful)
I think you forget Europe, Australasia etal, where there is no iTunes store available, the media moguls would have only given iTunes the rights to US distribution, besides, most of the sound track will probably be available today for download of the p2p networks as well as purchase from Music stores. (you would probably have to buy several albums to get it all though).
Re:This is a test from the labels... (Score:2)
Re:This is a test from the labels... (Score:2)
Re:This is a test from the labels... (Score:2)
Unless it is all new music, it will most likely be singles that you can buy individually or get off albums from the artists.
Re:This is a test from the labels... (Score:2, Informative)
Burn it to a CD then re-rip it, capture it digitally and re-rip it, hell you can even make a tape of it if you want. I think think this is a good test of "is it still possible to P2P the stuff," because well, obviously it is. Look at how much material comes out pre-release when it gets leaked from the companies themselves.
There will ALWAYS be a way to pirate things, it's just a tradeoff of quality, time, and cost. At $.99 for the original high-quality (AAC 128k
Re:This is a test from the labels... (Score:2)
Not only could a ripped version of the soundtrack originate from other countries, but it could also originate from inside the music industry.
That would explain how I downloaded Smashing Pumpkin's Machina about a week before it was released and I bought it.
watch and see (Score:1)
I bet 2 cents that this will be on P2P within a week of release !!
PS: I don't use Mac or P2P
(I make my own music using Prodikeys [prodikeys.com]).
Testing the waters. (Score:5, Insightful)
It is probably a fair generalization to say that soundtracks rarely sell in the same volumes as albums from pop artists. The loss of profit by reducing to such a niche market will probably be mostly offset by the higher profit margin associated with not actually having to create or mfg'r any media or packaging materials.
If they (being the publisher) lose a little money on this, it won't be much and can probably be chalked up as the cost to test this particular market.
Where am I going with this? Nowhere really...just some observations.
It's an original score...not a compilation. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:It's an original score...not a compilation. (Score:2)
Re:It's an original score...not a compilation. (Score:4, Interesting)
Score albums are entirely different recordings from the scores themselves.
Re:It's an original score...not a compilation. (Score:2)
Actually that raises an interesting issue. Since AAC can handle 5.1 channel surround sound (and more, take a look at this discussion on the 3ivx forums [3ivx.com]), it might be nice to have the soundtrack in the full 5.1 channel surround sound whi
Re:It's an original score...not a compilation. (Score:2)
Re:It's an original score...not a compilation. (Score:2)
You mean you want us to actually *read* the articles that are being linked to?
Apple's got something up their sleeves. (Score:4, Interesting)
-Job posting for Windows iTunes developer
-Numerous bands are being scheduled to play Friday in apple stores, etc....
-This album announcement
I'd say Apple is about to release iTunes for windows. But I'm never very accurate on this guesses by it makes sense to me...
-sonic
Uh, apple's already announced it... (Score:2)
I'd say Apple is about to release iTunes for windows. But I'm never very accurate on this guesses by it makes sense to me...
How very intuitive, considering Apple has publicly stated that they'll be releasing a Windows version. They've even given a timeframe, though I don't recall what it was.
Re:Apple's got something up their sleeves. (Score:2)
Where did you get this info? When I go to the Apple retail page [apple.com], all I see is that some DJ is scheduled to play at a store in Chicago. I want a link to the dirt!
They're experimenting (Score:3, Interesting)
They're just experimenting now -- testing the waters.
Re:They're experimenting (Score:2)
Yes, that is an idea... Or maybe they know NOONE will buy this cd, but if they make it 'EXCLUSIVE' to ITMS, then someone will be wooed by it, and buy it... they are using the same trick the movie industries does when they re-release a 6-month old dvd with 'Added Bonus Footage'... people will fall for it, the industry knows it.
But.. (Score:5, Funny)
simple (Score:3, Interesting)
An easier way would be to burn it to disc and rip that disc. It won't sound as good, but figuring out the compression part of the iTunes format and overlaying that onto another format could fix such problems. Then again, we can always distribute a ~50mb WAV for each song if we're desperate enough.
As soon as someone cares enough to make the tools, high quality rips of iTunes music will be ava
Re:simple (Score:2)
From the MoL site, that you graciously linked to:
Basically, that means that you have to have OS X installed on the PPC box you're using before you use MoL. So it doesn't work on any PPC, it only works on macs running linux.Re:But.. (Score:5, Funny)
(yeah, it's a troll, and I'm a mac user too
What's That? (Score:2, Redundant)
Re:What's That? (Score:2)
Dude, Apple Computer already got sued by Apple Records. They settled. This was years ago. 1989 to be more exact. And no, I couldn't find a link with more info in the short time it took to type this.
(Karma to burn.)
Re:What's That? (Score:2)
Re:What's That? (Score:2)
Seems being the only distributor might break this...
Re:What's That? (Score:4, Interesting)
It's a singles thing (Score:3, Insightful)
While the iTunes store is pretty limited, the label can find out if this is a more profitable way to handle this kind of recording. Many record companies have large libraries of tracks that are out of print - putting those tracks online could give them a new stream of revenue.
Oh well, can't buy it. boohoo. (Score:4, Interesting)
It's only a bit of music, I'm not going to lose any sleep over not being able to buy this one, but exclusive deals in any form just suck.
I tend to shy away from services that are full of "exclusive this, exclusive that" as they're just damaging my freedom of choice.
- Colin
Never happy..... (Score:2, Insightful)
So someone has done exactly that....and now you want it on CD, encoded differently, whatever.
Your getting what you asked for. Will you all now admit you just dont like paying for music regardless of format or delivery mechanism?
Gaz.
Re:Never happy..... (Score:2)
This is Slashdot. We don't like paying for anything.
Right now, bad idea (Score:2)
The worry I have is that since there aren't very many Macs, it's going to sell relatively few copies (compared to your average new movie soundtrack CD), and the labels are going to turn around and say "hey, we tried it, and it didn't sell!" as an argument against the iTunes model.
I actually bought it... (Score:5, Informative)
Anyway, $9.99 for 13 tracks of nicely composed orchestral work and two excellent world music songs is pretty good. I'm listening to it on my iPod as I type this.
Re:I actually bought it... (Score:2)
To drop the macho facade for a moment, I've enjoyed Ms. Wilson's style since USA Network's La Femme Nikita. Besides, she's got "It".
Re:I actually bought it... (Score:2)
>
>The best way to avoid MSTDs, like STDs, is abstinence.
Does anyone else find this juxtaposition humerous?
-fred
Re:Encode quality? (Score:4, Insightful)
My guess would be about $10 worth. The premise of online music distro is that not everyone is an audiophile, and some people just want to rock out at OK quality for a nice price.
As someone already pointed out, you can have the master tapes of you are that 133t. It just might cost you a few million bucks.
Re:Encode quality? (Score:2)
Re:What about the Apple Records suit? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What about the Apple Records suit? (Score:2)
Re:What about the Apple Records suit? (Score:5, Funny)
I think that offtopic was being used as a proxy for the non-existant clueless moderation.
Re:What about the Apple Records suit? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Additional News Story (Score:2)
Of course, members of the London Symphony Orchestra will not be allowed to buy the soundtrack. They are not American residents, so iTunes Music Store is off limits for them. At least they can hear the 15 seconds demo!
Re:Additional News Story (Score:2)
BTW, the track samples at the iTMS run 30 seconds, not 15 (except for tracks shorter than 30 seconds, of course ;)).
Why, so you are! (Score:2)
It MUST be you!
Sheesh.
-fred