Screenshots of Mac OS X 10.3 Panther Leaked 545
gorman writes "Screenshots of Apple's next major update to OS X, Panther (10.3), have finally been leaked to the web. For months very little has been known about Panther, with only several minor rumors here and there. These screenshots show off many new features, including the return of labels, a brand new Safari-like finder, and an interesting window management system called Exposé. In addition, the screenshots show off refined visuals and improvements to all of the included Apple applications, such as video support in iChat and enhanced spam filtering in Mail. While these screenshots show off a pre-release version of Panther, it's definitely interesting to see what Apple is working on! Steve Jobs will demonstrate Panther during his keynote this Monday at WWDC and will make it available to developers."
somebody repair the drain pipe (Score:4, Interesting)
A few observations (Score:5, Interesting)
1) I completely stoked to see Security having it's own control panel.
2) Where's the advanced spam filtering mentioned? I just see the normal Mail.app screen.
3) I don't see the Safari driven finder either. It's just the normal finder window with a brushed metallic look. (I still haven't made up my mind on the metallic. I don't hate it, but it's not lickable like the rest of the OS)
4) For anyone who's never used them, folder actions kick ass.
Can't wait till monday.
-E2
Some of these look faked. (Score:1, Interesting)
What's up with this image [deskmod.com]? If you'll notice, the menu bar across the top appears to be "normal" size, but everything else is kind of scaled down. Is there some new feature that lets you set the "magnification" of the windows rather than just their dimensions? Also notice that the windows are not scaled well at all. Reminds me of nearest neighbor as opposed to bilinear.
AFAIK, it's a violation of Apple's own Human Interface Guidelines to have several selectable items on the same line of a menu, such as in this picture [deskmod.com], and this one too [deskmod.com].
Lastly, this image [deskmod.com] shows the System Preferences window, yet the titlebar text is faded like it's unfocused. Unfocused windows in OS X have their titlebars made slightly transluscent. I hope they haven't changed this, it was a good idea.
Also, I didn't know they were removing many of the stiples from the UI. That would be very unlike Apple since users choke whenever the interface look even the slightest bit changed.
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They still haven't fixed fucking iTunes, though (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Longhorn 2003 (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Some of these look faked. (Score:5, Interesting)
It scales all windows so that they can all fit on hte screen at once showing you everything you're doing - you lcik on one and they revert to their normal state but with the selected window in the forground.
Or at least thats how I imagine it from the description.
Re:A few observations (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Mail.app spam improvements? How about real fixe (Score:5, Interesting)
All I have to complain about is that with large folders it appears to stall indexing them but simply quitting and restarting it clears the issue (and no, Force Quit doesn't destroy anything). Also I wouldn't mind if it had parallel IMAP/POP connections but as far as I'm concerned I'm very pleased by it.
Saluti
Brushed Metal? (Score:5, Interesting)
What's with all the "brushed metal"-looking programs this time around? I thought Apple was going for UI consistancy. Surely having a bunch of built-in programs that look totally different from everything else on the system defeats the purpose here? And if you must violate your own UI consistancy standards, you should at least do it for something less ugly-looking than brushed metal. Ew!
Re:Mail.app spam improvements? How about real fixe (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure. I've got a 900 MB mailbox I can't send email from anymore because if I send more than 2 attachments, it replaces the additional ones with randomly-selected email from my Inbox. I had to create a new Identity (thus making a new mailbox file) in order to continue working. At least I can easily reference my old mailbox. (And, yes, I've already tried all the rebuild functions and whatnot.)
M$ was willing to help with it, but only if I sent them my mailbox file. Riiiiigghhht. I'm a little uncomfortable with sending my personal email (that dates back to 1996) to M$.
You want Aqua themes? (Score:2, Interesting)
A Bit More (Score:1, Interesting)
There will be some 'fleshing out' of existing apps, utilities, and functionality (such a video in iChat, better spam filtering and mail sorting, full version of Safari, and some new ways to navigate files (for the kindergarten set)). The bulk of this upgrade is 'rumored' to be under the hood.
reports on some rumor sites claim to have seen pre-releases of 10.3 running exponentially faster than 10.2, even on older G3 machines. These screenshots fail in conveying the efficiency of the quartz rendering system, and how in 10.1 it was mostly a proof of concept, in 10.2 it was beta at best, and in 10.3 it will finally be mature. Combine that with serious optimizations to the finder and dock, and its not hard to imagine 10.3 running rings around 10.2 or earlier, and even matching or exceeding speed of XP's finder (and all this with a far simpler interface than XP's convoluted birdsnest of navigation options).
Will it cost? you bet! we will pay (or at least 'borrow' a paid copy) for this update, Apple has learned a lesson from the darkside... if they produce it, eventually you (Mac Users) will buy it.
Will it be worth the cost? IMHO no question of it, as long as it meets 1/10'th of the rumored expectations
Food for thought (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re: This is fake
First, I'm really really really pissed off because I wrote this whole message and then accidentally deleted it. Seems you can't control-Z in these input boxes.
Second, I think these shots are fake, too. I hope they are for some of the reasons outlined below. I'll be going into a lot less detail in light of the fact that I'm having to type it all again. I did do an Observation/Conclusion thing, but this time I'll just make the observations and you can make your own conclusions.
I have only skimmed the thread, so apologies if these points have been brought up. Just seemed like everyone was "WOOHOO"ing without really looking closely. And similarity to other posts is just coincidence.
OBSERVATION: In the Activity Monitor window there are strange inconsistencies.
* First there are really tacky colours. Windows type tacky colour, not beautiful Apple colours.
* Second, the "% Nice" uses a , to seperate the decimals, not a . like the rest of the %'s. This smacks to me of a slip-up by someone European making the fakes.
* Third, the "Threads" and "Processes" don't line up right. Unless this is a very early build, it's very sloppy.
OBSERVATION: Yahoo Instant messenger is in the dock and on the desktop. If this is Panther, that presumably means no Yahoo support in iChat.
OBSERVATION: In the full screen of the expose desktop, Safari is all blocked out. Why? What incriminating website could he/she be looking at?
OBSERVATION: Why are the iChat windows censored totally? Why not just block them out like the Safari window?
OBSERVATION: About Finder is all wrong. "The Macintosh Desktop Experience"? And why "Finder version 10.3" rather than "Mac OS X (10.3)" like we'd expect? These aren't big things, obviously, but still...
OBSERVATION: No build number. Seems strange, since they'll most likely be giving out preview copies on Monday, and developers will want to know what build they're working with. If it's the final release, how did slip-ups like above creep in?
OBSERVATION: In the iChat window, it says "There is no camera attached to this computer." Yet the progress bar seems to be showing activity of some sort?
OBSERVATION: The Finder window named Xdrive is metal, but not entirely consistently. The metal has a bar down the right, next to the scroll bar, unlike Safari. This on its own is nothing that important, but the grow icon thing in the bottom right seems misplaced.
OBSERVATION: In the Mail screenshot, the "Working Offline" seems all wrong. Especially the "o" in working.
It just seems all wrong to me. I'm bound to end up with egg on my face, but I thought these items needed discussion.
- Jimmni
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Points worth thinking about.
(tig)
"We do not inherit the land from our ancestors"
"We borrow it from our children"
Re:Torrent here (Score:5, Interesting)
I understand completely though. And I'm not poking fun. After all...
I'd browse about, dreaming of getting out of that as well. :-)
Re:Inconsistent UI (Score:2, Interesting)
The system prefs seem to not have user-focus (judging by the lack of colour close, resize etc buttons). That could be the explanation for the missing pinstripes.
I can't see by the screenshots if the menu-bars are still transparent without focus. I suspect they are no longer transparent as stacked transparent menu-bars often got a little confusing in the older versions.
Will be intersting to see the next evolution of the UI for this OS and its less obvious (from the screenshots) changes. Apple have provoked extreme reactions with their UI, but they do seem to be listening to recommendations.
Re:Apple upgrades more often than windows? (Score:3, Interesting)
Apple has been releasing (paid for) OS updates at a rate of about 1 per year for the last 5 years. Every 6 months or so, they release a free update. With OS X there have been more frequent patches and updates, but in general the 1 OS update per year hasn't really changed.
Re:You're stupid (Score:1, Interesting)
According to whom? I can guarantee you that Apple has no such policy.
This has nothing to do with price so stop trying to confuse the issue.
I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about how much (or whether) Apple is going to charge for Panther.
Although past trends don't determine the future, they can give you a good idea, especially when it's company policy.
Two things.
1. Not company policy.
2. THIS IS NOT A TREND. In order for there to be a trend, there would have to be enough data points to suggest a trend. There are a million ways we could interpret the data thus far. Maybe all
Idiots.
Re:Metal Sucks. Aqua slightly better. (Score:3, Interesting)
You know, I have a TiBook and I'm very happy with it, but I have to echo your question.
OSX is better than the competition, but it drives me nuts how it fails to live up to its potential. The old Mac OS sucked at a technical level, but I greatly prefer the interface. The NeXT interface was far better than Aqua as well, in my opinion. I'd love to have the option to make OSX look and act like either.
Under the hood it's great. And the GUI is a step above Windows, at least. But it's still a real POS compared to what it should have been.
Brushed Metal vs... uh.. Aqua? (Score:2, Interesting)
Apple is renowned for its consistant UI design and Mac users renowned for demanding such consistancy from vendors.
This leaves me wondering, then, what the reasoning isbehind having two completely different types of application window? What sets a brushed-metal window apart from a conventionally-bordered window?
This is not intended as an anti-Mac troll. I don't often get to use Mac OS X, so this is just simple curiosity.
Re:Finally the one mouse button problem is solved. (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't know about Mac users, but I know plenty of Windows users who can't seem to tell right from left. If I only had a nickel for every time this exchange has taken place during a tech support call I have taken from a Windows user:
Me: "Okay, now right-click on that icon to bring up the context menu, and select 'Properties' from it."
Them: "Ok, I clicked on it, but the icon just goes dark."
Me: "Did you click, or right-click?"
Them: "What do you mean, 'right-click'?
Me: "Right-click, as in, click the right mouse button."
Them [astonished]: "You mean it does *something else*???"
Let me tell you how Apple came to use the horrible, one-button mouse. When they were developing the Lisa and Mac, they were also hiring scads of employees to do admin & custodial jobs and other non-techie stuff. Many of them had never touched a computer before, and Apple used them for testing to find the optimal number of buttons on the mouse. One is the correct number of buttons for the uninitated user, as borne out by usability testing. When people get used to their machine and learn the ins and outs of the OS, they can cough up a couple bucks for a multi-button mouse with lots of bells and whistles.
Finally, I do believe that recent changes to Apple's nomenclature indicate that the new towers to be announced Monday will include a multi-button mouse with a scroll wheel-- the mouse that comes with the consumer level systems has been changed from "Pro Mouse" to just plain "Mouse," and I think the new keyboard that has begun shipping with those systems is likewise simply named "Keyboard." This could indicate that the "professional" desktop Macs are going to ship with more feature-laden mice and keyboards than the machines aimed at Grandma and other first-time computer users.
~Philly
Re:A few observations (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't think that's a Safari-driven finder. I think Safari is the active app, and the rest of the apps are ghosted.
As far as the brushed metal look goes, there's a hack for OSX that lets users make all the windows brushed metal, or make none of them brushed metal. (I read about it in OSX Hacks, which is a really cool book, BTW.)
Given Apple's incorporation of 3rd party things into their own official updates, it wouldn't surprise me if Apple is letting users "brush" all their windows.
Re:Brushed Metal vs... uh.. Aqua? (Score:4, Interesting)
Brushed Metal is for all "digital lifestyle" applications. That is, applications that control such devices or use/manipulate the data from those devices (photos, music, video, contacts).
Aqua is for everything else (graphics, sound, animation, text). If an application is not used primarily to interface with digital lifesyle devices, it should use the standard Aqua theme.
Apple's thinking was that this provides a distinction between a "general use" app and a "limited use" app. iPhoto is an exreemely useful app, only if you have lots of photos and/or a digital camera. Photoshop is useful without either. The brushed metal interface also somewhat mimics the curent fad of bright metal cases on consumer devices, much like stereo equipment from the 70s. This is a subliminal "ease of use" thing.
Re:Gnome Themes (Score:3, Interesting)
Original ideas are overrated. I'm not impressed by something wildly new, especially in interface design -- just look at the shambling wreck that is Enlightenment to give an idea of how much "originality" can be a bad thing. I'm much more pleased to see competent integration of pre-existing, and possibly obscure ideas, and OSX is chock full of that. BeOS was an even better example: very little was original, but being able to use a system that glued together all these great ideas was wonderful, and the few ideas from BeOS that truly were new -- the clever filesystem for example -- seem to be gradually trickling back to the mainstream operating systems.
So, back to what I was originally thinking, if not saying. Original ideas aren't that big of a deal. If you're going to accuse the open source people of ripping off their best idea, keep in mind that Apple and Microsoft have done plenty of this themselvees -- and that's okay! Better to play into what people have learned over the years than to take off on weird experiments that leave everyone confused (e.g. Microsoft Bob). Whether or not Apple had a license, it wasn't originality, but that doesn't bother me at all, and I can't see why other people make such a big stink over the fact that it happens.
Re:Longhorn 2003 (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Innovations like OpenOffice.Org and GIMP... (Score:3, Interesting)
The GIMP is impressive in my opinion solely because of the speed it was developed, and the ground it covered to get to be a somewhat competative application. The GIMP certainly does not have to justify its existence to me, it can and will continue on without me using it. With that said...
I've tried The GIMP out, several times. The linux version and the Win32 version both. I can use CorelDRAW, Paint Shop Pro, and Photoshop with little hassle. However, trying to use GIMP to do anything productive for me was like pulling teeth. Obviously a lot of people like its interface, but I cannot even claim to be one who can even use it, let alone like it.
The day Gimp becomes as featureful and easy to use for me as Paint Shop Pro is the day I will use it. But until the day, keep dreaming... GIMP may compare to PSP or Photoshop, but in my opinion, it certainly does not fare well in that comparison.
Re:Gnome Themes (Score:1, Interesting)
What I don't like about Mac OS X is that Apple marketing constantly defines it as everything, all at once. And Mac users tend to be parrots, repeating whatever Apple says as gospel. As a result, few people understand what Mac OS X actually is.
Mac OS X is a re-hashing of several older technologies, most notably NeXTSTEP, made up to look like and act somewhat like the old Mac. I would consider it a pseudo-Unix; it is compatible with a lot of Unix stuff, but a lot of its fundemental design goes against Unix philosophy. (For example, IOKit instead of
Yes, there is a lot of FreeBSD code in there. The purpose of that FreeBSD code is mainly to give a Unix foundation for NeXT (Cocoa) and Carbon libraries to run on. Clearly, it's not designed to be a Unix, and it's not FreeBSD. For instance, Mac programs are not supposed to use libc much; they are expected to use Carbon and Cocoa. You could rip all of the FreeBSD components right out of Mac OS X, replace it with something else, and it would still be Mac OS X.
Re:Nice... (Score:4, Interesting)
Yes the g4 sucks goatballs compared to your system. No arguments from me here. The reason for this is your 2001 cpu is actually newer then Motorolla's G4! The G4 is well over 5 years old. Imagine using a pentium or pentium pro today? It was designed in 1997 and came out in late 98/early 99.
They have really screwed Apple and I am glad they finally booted them off their platform.
Traditionally PowerPC based macs were twice as fast as Windows machines or close to the same speed for half the price during the mid 1990's.
What changed is Motorolla's commitment, the cheaper development of wintel boxes, and the AMD vs Intel war.
Motorolla's shareholders do not want to upgrade their chip facilities as well as invest R&D for cutting edge chip designs. Its expensive and the embedded market is more profitable for them.
Then why are G4's expensive? Motorolla must use Intel for chip development. Intel of course charges the competition alot. Second to meet shareholders expectations they need to raise the price of their G3's and G4's and use the money to create embedded chips so they can claim they are growing on their SEC sheets.
Third, G4's are slow because they were designed in the 1990's and use ancient SDRAM technology. The new DDR based mac's have a chipset to slow down access from the memory to the cpu! Yes the pci based devices can use the newer memory but not the crippled g4's.
Motorolla even tried to make a g4 with full ddr support via the G5, but did not plan on improving any radical performance boasts. They were still planning to charge an arm and a leg and provide a inferior solution. After all they owned a monopoly on the cpu for the mac right? Wrong.
Anyway the new IBM built 64 bit macs in which Panter is designed for are very very fast. Go read some preliminayr leaked benchmarks at macslash.org for more info.
IBM wants to make cheap blade servers running AIX so they needed to mass produce a slimmed down version of their power4 processor. Apple is perfect for creating large bulk to reduce costs for IBM. The powerpc970 aka g5 aka power4-lite is a slimmed down power4 powerpc based processor. It can easily beat a pentiumIII 3ghz hands down in most benchmarks( real, not photoshop ). For things like encryption key building its almost twice as fast.
But the cool thing about this is that they use so little watts. Risc processors make great laptops.
What you say it true for at least the next couple of months. I would not touch a mac today. However by christmass....