Screenshots of Mac OS X 10.3 Panther Leaked

gorman writes "Screenshots of Apple's next major update to OS X, Panther (10.3), have finally been leaked to the web. For months very little has been known about Panther, with only several minor rumors here and there. These screenshots show off many new features, including the return of labels, a brand new Safari-like finder, and an interesting window management system called Exposé. In addition, the screenshots show off refined visuals and improvements to all of the included Apple applications, such as video support in iChat and enhanced spam filtering in Mail. While these screenshots show off a pre-release version of Panther, it's definitely interesting to see what Apple is working on! Steve Jobs will demonstrate Panther during his keynote this Monday at WWDC and will make it available to developers."

Mirror

[Anonymous Coward]

Mirror [nildram.co.uk]

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~12fg/Panther/

Torrent here

[mcgroarty]

Torrent of the index.html and all images is here (panther.torrent) [mcgroarty.net] if page gets slashdotted.

Bit Torrent Link

[pneuma_66]

I uploaded a Bit Torrent link of the screenshots to bytemonsoon.com. You can get the torrent file here [bytemonsoon.com]

Re:Looks the same to me.

[TomHandy]

First off, I assume you don't think this is EVERYTHING that is likely new in 10.3.

Secondly, some of these things do look to be significantly new..... as far as look and feel, of course it's the same.... what would be the point in dramatically changing the look and feel?

Feature-wise though, Expose looks like a very nice addition, as are labels.... not sure what Folder Actions are, but they could also be an interesting addition..... the new drive view also looks like it could be an improvement.

Some of the screenshots of course don't seem different at all, so I'm not sure why they posted them (the main desktop screenshot in particular, although a lot of it is "censored").... but the Mail.app inbox screenshot and the System Preferences screenshot look fairly standard.

Anyway, the point is, this hardly seems to be everything that 10.3 will have, feature-wise... just a few screenshots to show some new things.....

Wait til Monday, of course, for the full thing to be unveiled.

If the only thing that will impress you is a completely brand new look and feel though, then yeah, you'd probably be disappointed. Apple's focus is on adding and improving features, not drastically changing the look and feel itself.

-Tom

HTTP Mirror

[DMDx86]

Mirror in case of slashdotting: Click Here [dmdtech.org]

Re:$$$$ Money ????

[entrox]

I'm 99% sure it will cost money. Probably $129 retail, $79 academic and $0 for ADC members. You had to pay for 10.2, what makes you think 10.3 will be free?

Re:Mail.app spam improvements? How about real fixe

[adpowers]

I'm sure it will have tons of bug fixes and speed improvements, just like Jaguar. But what is easier to show (especially in a screen shot), new features or bug fixes?

HTTP Link

[Pheonix5000]

Here's another MIRROR [vectec.net]. in case the other pages have suffered the Slashdot effect.

Re:Some of these look faked.

[entrox]

The image is supposed to be showcasing a new feature called "expose" (it these are real that is), which should help managing your windows. Take a look at the preferences [opinionstick.com].

Also you'll notice, that foreground windows are shaded grey and have coloured stoplight buttons, while the unfocused window is plain white and has monochrome stoplight buttons. So, apparently unfocused titlebars are not translucent anymore.

I really hope those screenshots are either fake or just plain unpolished/unfinished. Jaguar looks way better IMHO.

Re:Looks the same to me.

[whee]

Some of the screenshots of course don't seem different at all, so I'm not sure why they posted them (the main desktop screenshot in particular, although a lot of it is "censored")...

They posted that because it demonstrates the Exposé window management. Here's how I'm assuming it works:

1. You move your mouse to a corner of the screen, which handles some type of window.
2. After some delay, all windows not of that type are hidden. Windows of that type are zoomed out (shrunk) until all fit on the desktop.
3. Click on a window to zoom back onto it.

It's really an elegant solution to window clutter. It's either this or virtual desktops, and Apple probably would dislike virtual desktops due to the "where the hell did my windows go" factor. With Quartz, all the zooming should give the user usable visual feedback as to what's going on.

Re:Food for thought

[Anonymous Coward]

What you refer to as "Nice" does not look to me like "Nice". Rather, it looks to me like "NIce", which I would interpret as the general short way of referencing "Network Ice", or Black ICE Defender. Not sure if Apple's come with a firewall by default or if they really need one, but BID would be a good choice.

I don't disagree with your analysis of teh shots. The Task Monitor and Expose are just mods on the existing Windows utilities. The shots are definitely fakes.

-rt

Re:slashdot = mac rumor sites?

[Anonymous Coward]

You see posts about Longhorn here, new and upcoming phones, new tech in cars....shit, even new gadgets embedded into clothing. I'm sure there's a site for each of these things..

Just because you aren't interested in something is hardly a reason to stop carrying it. Now go back to reading all those damned SCO submissions..

Re:How about Voice for Chat?

[Anonymous Coward]

Agreed. I like using the app from these guys [squidsoft.com] but it would be nice if they'd add NetMeeting compatibility. Hopefully Apple's release will get more people interested and make everyone else get their butts in gear (better apps).

Re:Food for thought

[babbage]

OSX has had a built in firewall since at least Jaguar, and I seem to remember it being there in 10.1 as well. I seem to recall people writing that it's just standard *nix ipfw, but I can't find anything at the moment to verify this. In any case, given the choice between high quality freeware firewall software, and commercial software that might or might not be as good but certainly would require some kind of licensing fees, Apple has seemed more than willing to go with the FOSS stuff when bringing in new OSX components (KHTML, BSD, Apache, Perl, Python, Ruby, etc...).

Re:Food for thought

[demaria]

NetworkICE, the company, was purchased by ISS a few years ago. If BlackICE was ported to Mac, it wouldn't have obvious references to NetworkICE anymore.

Re:Gnome Themes

[SlamMan]

Gah! They liscensed it originally, which implies consent, as well as money.

I wanted to see the piles

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought Apple was going to implement their "Piles" concept in this release?

http://theregister.co.uk/content/39/30360.html
http://homepage.mac.com/rdas7/piles.html (you'll need a Flash-enabled browser)

Re:I love metal

[grue23]

If you are using the 'Graphite' appearance instead of the 'Blue' appearance, closing the wrong window can be a big problem. In 'Blue' the buttons are multicolored like you said, and it's easy to see which one is active. In 'Graphite' the buttons are just less faint and it's easy to make a mistake.

Re:Longhorn 2003

[dbrutus]

Apple's actually not at the high end of expenses in certain configurations anymore. It's not for the 3rd world but it is certainly much more price competitive than it used to be, especially in servers where the xServes are beating up Windows solutions left and right.

Re:Food for thought

[MochaMan]

Second, the "% Nice" uses a , to seperate the decimals, not a . like the rest of the %'s. This smacks to me of a slip-up by someone European making the fakes.

Or making the screenshots. On a French Canadian system, for example, you'll get commas for decimals in every application that displays decimal numbers. Not that I'm espousing one opinion or another. Just that whoever did these may have been a French or Spanish speaker who temporarily switched their language to English for the screenshots... and numbers and languages are separate control panels.

Re:$$$$ Money ????

[laredo]

I think you really need to read about these little coupons,just a heads up. They really don't mean Jack until Monday, and then only for folks that buy the "New" hardware. Depending on when Panther ships maybe not even for them. These coupons only really help with your OS version when Major OS announcements happen, and then only for new purchases that donâ(TM)t have the âoeAnnouncedâ OS version on them, and on rare occasions purchases up to a month previous to the Major announcement. I guarantee that if you bring in your little green coupon to an Apple dealer or an Apple store and expect a boxed version of 10.3 you will be giggled at.
Current uses of these coupons are. $69.95 for a one-year .Mac membership. Buy any Mac and Macromedia Studio MX and save $500, Get a Canon i450 Color Bubble Jet Printer free, or get $99 back.
Or if for some crazy reason your recently bought Mac had say 10.1 on it , the Apple fulfillment center would send you 10.2 disks, if you pay the shipping.
That's it that's all, if you are not going to take advantage of any of the above offers then the coupons are worth nada, zip, zero, bunkums, Zippo.

Re:Food for thought

[MochaMan]

Course, since they're different in different columns, either Apple screwed up the resources (see Mail.app for a good example of this) or someone faked the screenshots.

Re:Mail.app spam improvements? How about real fixe

[1010011010]

Mozilla Mail.

Re:Looks the same to me.

[pHDNgell]

not sure what Folder Actions are, but they could also be an interesting addition

If folder actions are applescripts that run when files are added or removed from folders (I think that's what they call it), that's available now.

Innovations like OpenOffice.Org and GIMP...

[MsGeek]

Well, OpenOffice's native file formats are basically an XML stylesheet .ZIPped with your information in text format...finally a file format that would be easy for other programs to use (it's an open standard) and file sizes are very reasonable too.

GIMP is impressive solely for the fact it's an open answer to Photoshop (c'mon, how many of you actually USE CMYK separations?) and it works. You have no excuse to use Photoshop Elements or Paint Shop Pro, because there is a Win32 version out there.

Re:Mail.app spam improvements? How about real fixe

[mithras the prophet]

Double-click on the divider bar.

Re:Gnome Themes

[overunderunderdone]

Jeff Raskin the original lead developer on the Macintosh (and the man responsible for it's name - it was his favorite eating apple) has largely debunked this as a myth. While I don't think he claims that Parc's work had NO influence on the Mac he has pointed out that many of the supposedly stolen concepts (such as the GUI itself) were present in his computer science thesis published in 1967 before Parc's existed. He also notes that some of the supposedly stolen concepts were already part of either the Mac or Lisa projects which were already under way BEFORE the infamous visit and that he (Raskin) had used others prior to his involvement with Apple itself. Further some concepts (such as drag-and-drop) were never used at Parc and others were used at Parc but not on the SmallTalk system which had been shown to Steve Jobs. He sums up his take on the myth this way:

he Mac was by no means the work of one person, but the combined efforts of thousands in hundreds of companies large and small. It was not, as many accounts anachronistically relate, stolen from PARC by Steve Jobs after he saw the Alto running SmallTalk on a visit. For one thing the usual account (as in Levy's book, "Insanely Great" and others) denigrates the original and creative work done by all the Apple employees that put their hearts into the Mac. Most of the histories of the Mac were written without their authors interviewing the original team (Brian Howard, who contributed so much, is always missed), and the history of the Mac that Apple's own P/R department dispensed was based on Jobs's version. Many didn't speak with me: without knowing that I had worked out many of the key usability ideas when Jobs was still in grade school and before there was a Xerox PARC to learn from, it is perhaps understandable that people would find it necessary to invent a history that derives the Mac's genesis from the nearest similar work. The honest intellectual debt the Mac owes to the work at PARC was not a case of highway robbery.

Quoting from memorty (I can't find his orginal essay on the history of the mac) he attributes the persistance of the myth to the fact that both Steve Jobs and the former Parc guys retell it that way. Steve, because it reinforces his reputations as a visionary genius (HE understood the significance of the GUI when the suits at Xerox were blind, He saw "it was good" and he bid it be fruitful and multiply). The guys at Parc saw it that way because Steve really did "get it". What the Parc guys didn't realise is that Steve "got it" not because he was a visionary genius but because Jef Raskin (and others at Apple) had been patiently explaining the same concepts to him for years (going back to Jef Raskin visiting the Steve's back in their famous garage).

Re:Food for thought

[Bob[Bob]]

OBSERVATION: The "More Info" button in the About Finder window, which launches Apple System Profiler, is missing.

A small correction... the "More Info" button is actually in the "About this Mac" window, not the "About Finder" window.

Re:Metal Sucks. Aqua slightly better.

[markomarko]

Interesting complaint. I never noticed this myself, so I hit cmd-n about ten times in Safari to try to replicate the problem you experienced. Good news: I found a fix/work-around. All you have to do is pay attention to the windows and notice which one is covering the others. The window in front, is in front of all the others. It even casts a shadow on the windows below it!