Mac P2P Music Sharing with iTunes is Online 261
kraksmoka writes "Spymac.com has already found a way to take the new features of iTunes 4 to new heights. Today they opened up a new section on their site entitled Spymac Music, which is a database of shared iTunes libraries. Anyone who wants can submit their music library to be shared. Currently it sports a search engine capable of searching title, album and artist. " I wonder how long this will last.
Apple promoting piracy? (Score:5, Funny)
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Apple promoting piracy? (Score:5, Informative)
Not quite - the discovery of servers on the local net is done with Rendezvous, but you can "share" (i.e., stream) music between any two IP addresses (if you're behind a firewall, you need to open port 3689 [macwrite.com]).
Why won't it work? (Score:2)
Re:Apple promoting piracy? (Score:2, Informative)
Rendezvous is only for discovery - it essentially tells everyone on the local network "there's a service X running on this machine" (in this case DAAP). That doesn't stop others connecting, they just don't get the convienient discovery.
Re:Apple promoting piracy? (Score:3, Informative)
and the software is only $8
Re:Apple promoting piracy? (Score:2)
Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Apple promoting piracy? (Score:3, Insightful)
So the feature is still limited, and while I'm not going to guarantee the record labels will demand a stop be put to it - they've done some bloody stupid things in the past - I suspect it'll end up
Re:Apple promoting piracy? (Score:2, Informative)
None of them are going to be able to serve more than five streams at one time. iTunes will only accept five connections at once.
So this is actually a very small-scale thing, not "mass-redistribution of music to anonymous strangers" at all.
Link to the way around streaming (Score:2)
Great app for recording anything being played on your computer, captures sound output from anything.
Also useful for getting fair use out of DRM cd's by hooking up your stereo and using hijack to get the audio-in.
Re:Apple promoting piracy? (Score:4, Insightful)
they are asking for it (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:they are asking for it (Score:5, Informative)
Either to engage in, or to defend, litigation a large corporation would generally engage a law firm specialising in litigation, and probably one specialising in the particular type of litigation - employment, competition, IP, environmental, etc.
So the question should be "how big is apple's legal budget?".
Re:they are asking for it (Score:3, Interesting)
Not to mention that if it became an issue, Apple could just disable the sharing feature in fut
Re:they are asking for it (Score:2)
Re:they are asking for it (Score:2)
Yeah, that would be a good bussiness move. Attempt to stop piracy by sueing the only company that's made a successful go at legal music distribution on the net.
Come to think of it, this is the RIAA, so you're probably right.
£;-)
As it was intended... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:As it was intended... (Score:5, Informative)
It's a chance to see what other people like, and maybe find something new to you.
It's streaming (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:It's streaming (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, and how hard is it to capture the stream and write it to disk?
(BTW, this is a rhetorical question. The answer is: "Not hard at all.".)
In my book, "saving a stream" ~ "sharing".
Re:It's streaming (Score:2, Insightful)
Sorry for answering your rhetorical question, but I would argue the answer is "harder than it is worth." iTunes doesn't let you grab the stream at all, so you'd have to capture it via AudioHijack. After dumping the section you want you'd have to load it up in Audacity or Spark ME to edit the wave down just the songs you want. Then you'd have to encode the songs as mp3s and manually edit the ID3 tags. Or you could just go the the
Re:It's streaming (Score:2)
Re:It's streaming (Score:2)
When mp3.com had their whole streaming system where you would "beam" your cd's to verify you owned them. They claimed the system could only be used to stream, but by simply identifying yourself as something like WinAmp, it would let you download the entire file. I'm talking at speeds of like 100KB/sec (much faster than streaming). You could literally download the MP3, unmodified.
Awesome! (Score:4, Interesting)
I hope Apple patches this hole quick before the kiddies ruin it for music-loving adults. You know, I kinda like being able to burn a protected song to a CD whenever and however many times I want as well as uploading it to my iPod.
Re:Awesome! (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, this is not a hole in Apple's software. It is an advertised feature. If you want to blame someone, blame Apple, not the people using their software in a way it was designed to be used.
Re:Awesome! (Score:2, Troll)
Actually, the software was *not* designed to be used to publicly stream music. It *was* designed, however, to allow users to access *their* "personal music library from any room in your house or over the internet from work to home." [apple.com]
So if anyone's to be blamed, blame those who are mis-using this feature. Apple's just distributing and supporting "software, the users of which can and do ch [com.com]
Re:Awesome! (Score:3, Insightful)
Nonsense. Apple provides the technology that can fall under "fair use" or "copyright infringement", the same way that the use of a gun can fall under "sport", "self defense", or "murder". Apple's software is designed to transport music; guns are designed to move projectiles at high speed. Using a product as de
Re:Awesome! (Score:2)
Re:Awesome! (Score:4, Insightful)
We should be building on this model, making it better rather than undermining it. What they are doing is going to give the RIAA the jitters and make them think twice about letting Apple and others expand the model. What spymac is doing is irrefuckingsponsible.
Re:Awesome! (Score:2)
That's so true. This SpyMac thing really pissed me off cause it totally justifies the "treat the user as a criminal" approach that Apple is condeming.
It's just so lame - as other posts have mentioned, it's ineffective because it's streaming, so no one is gaining anything, but it is generating a ton of badwill for the "DRM light" approach that Apple is taking among the execs. It just
How long? (Score:2, Interesting)
Oh, I'd hazard a guess and say not as long as this [napster.com] did?
I don't see how they can close it... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I don't see how they can close it... (Score:2)
It's safe to say that if you do anything similar to this and it's public, then your gonna get served by the RIAA at some point; which is their who
Why this won't live longin the public as is (Score:5, Informative)
I did try some other sites listed in those posts and I have to say that this is balancing on the dangerous zone. I could see the RIAA going after this specifically for that fact that there is little difference (if any), as far as they're concerned, with users 'broadcasting' stuff via iTunes vs. any other streamer.
I will not be suprised to see a few things happen:
1. all these public iTunes sharing sites will be shut down (or at least the biggest ones) via RIAA court orders
2. most of these public iTunes sites will simply turn off due to bandwidth limitations
3. Apple with either disable this feature in an update or publicly state that it is not meant for public sharing. Or some statement to that affect
That said, coupled with Rendezvous on a local lan, this is a pretty kick ass feature.
makes me think of Darwin Streaming Server (Score:4, Interesting)
Like with that Canadian site that was streaming US television shows as a rebroadcast a while back -- nobody considered suing the people that they got their software from.
sahreitunes.com (Score:5, Informative)
www.shareitunes.com [shareitunes.com]
Yeah dont use SpyMac (Score:2)
And ill sign my name to this.
Not too long, I betcha (Score:5, Funny)
My guess: 10 minutes from the start of the slashdotting :)
READ!!! Read the site! (Score:5, Informative)
This is not P2P file sharing, it's not piracy, and it has already been discussed to death in the media over the past 2 weeks.
Re:READ!!! Read the site! (Score:4, Interesting)
or if i made a p2p program that called downloading 'streaming'(that it just HAPPENS to write to disc 'cache')..
sure if they were broadcasting their own stuff(or somethinge 'free' like machinae supremacy, a great band btw) it wouldnt really matter.. but how does it differ from an internet on demand music service _really_, because that's what it would be?
it would be ok if the itunes price included royalty for providing such access to the tune, but i doubt it doesn't?
Re:READ!!! Read the site! (Score:5, Informative)
iTunes does limit the number of clients that can connect (to 5 I believe), so I imagine this has already been taken into consideration. I find it hard to imagine that streaming between two arbitrary IP addresses (rather than just the local subnet) would get into a product as significant as iTunes now is for Apple if they weren't 100% sure that the record industry was OK with it.
I suspect the client limit was specifically to turn this from a "internet radio" situation into "play your CDs to a couple of your friends, just as if they'd come over to your house".
It took about 5 minutes after iTunes was released to people start sharing stuff across the net, and about 10 minutes before people were writing apps/php scripts to list active servers, so this has to have been cleared beforehand.
Somebody MOD UP (Score:4, Insightful)
So to summarize: nothing illegal, no hole to patch, no piracy, nothing to see here. Apple knows what they are doing.
Re:Somebody MOD UP (Score:2)
Re:Somebody MOD UP (Score:3, Insightful)
I cannot imagine why you would want to advertise your collection, if you plan to use this yourself.
I use it primarily to save the battery on my ipod, when I am at school, with wireless everywhere. Its great, I no longer need to store mp3's on my laptop, and am not limited to what I can carry.
When it is just me streaming, I get no interuptions, but the stream is
Re:READ!!! Read the site! (Score:2)
Bad Karma (Score:3, Insightful)
2. It probably won't work well anyway. Most cable and even some DSL links have upload speed caps of 20 to 30 kpbs. Even an MP3 encoded at 128 kbps will have trouble getting through that pipe quickly enough.
In short, I hope this Spymac Music "service" dies a quick death. Some may point out that not everybody will have copyrighted music in their iTunes Library, to which I would reply "Yeah. Some. Like 0.01% of the population."
In closing... maybe Spymac itself will die a quick death. Most Mac users recognize that it's rumor predictions are consistently way off base, the content is juvenile, and overall, it is just plain bad.
Re:Bad Karma (Score:5, Insightful)
No it's not; it's like leaving your CD collection outside your house with a sign that says, "Listen to me."
You know, like libraries do with books. Like was generally accepted as the norm from the start of civilization until about 100 years ago.
Re:Bad Karma (Score:3, Insightful)
That's different. In the Real World, doing that will mean your CDs will be stolen, or perhaps damaged by users who are not careful. On the Internet, you can share without risk.
Point is, a publisher of a book or CD can count on the human nature to treasure one's own belongings to not do that. Publishers of on-line music cannot.
Re:Bad Karma (Score:2)
I hope Apple does fix things so that it's not easy to make copies of people's shared music. Then people would be able to share their music with the rest of the world when they're not using it, and it would be true sharing, since copies couldn't be made.
Yes, i know that people willing to make a serious effort will always be able to copy anything, regardless of protection, but you could say that about books in libraries. Just because it's possible for an e
Re:Bad Karma (Score:2)
Nothing. I'm pointing out that traditional publishers have "selfishness" (by that I mean the will to keep stuff you bought in good condition) to not just give it away freely. It works well enough for them to make money, even though in theory one book can be read by thousands of people.
Re:Bad Karma (Score:2)
My local library has been lending (for free) compact discs for years. Just like books. (For what it's worth I'm in Canada, which may or may not be considered part of the Real World.)
Re:Bad Karma (Score:2)
Libraries have different concerns than individuals. Their mission is to spread information. An individual who paid for something is less likely to just leave it outside to "share", if the item can easily be broken or stolen.
Even then, every library I've been to requires you to get a borrower's card, which they use to track which books are with which borrowers.
If this kills iTunes, its a bad thing (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:If this kills iTunes, its a bad thing (Score:2)
Apple is on the right track, though-- any technical means to protect the music will simply be cracked, so the only alternative is to provide music of guaranteed sound quality (relative to some of the rather dodgy rips you find on KaZaa) for a decent price. If they make it more convenient for people to pay for the music than to steal it, people will pay for it. Well, 30% (as I write this) of t
You can NOT copy the files (Score:5, Informative)
You can't copy this files. It's streaming. It's not sharing in the sense of sharing files, it's sharing in the sense of sharing music that can be listened to only while the person sharing is online.
You can NOT copy the files.
Got it? You're not sharing files, you're sharing a playlist of streamable music, that's it. Person turns off sharing or goes offline, you can't play them. You can't copy them to your local disk. You just can't.
You can NOT copy the files.
So please do a little research before you jump all over this as music piracy. It's not a bug, it's a feature that Apple has proudly advertised.
Re:You can NOT copy the files (Score:5, Insightful)
Why do you think it's any more difficult to save anything you stream to disk, than it is to write anything to a disk?
Streaming isn't some kind of magic ritual. It's only packets arriving on your computer, just in time for you to play them.
Re:You can NOT copy the files (Score:5, Informative)
I stick by my statement, "you can not copy the files", but I'd better modify it because everyone's missing the point. "You can copy the data, but you can't use iTunes to easily copy the files to your disk without jumping through some third party hoops." There, happy?
You can use all sorts of hacks and workarounds and custom tools copy the stream and save it to your disk. But in all those cases you're working around the existing implementation.
If I don't have a deadbolt on my door, just a handle lock, am I giving you permission to enter my home without asking me? You can come in a window, or jimmy the lock, or slide down the chimney, it doesn't matter, you're still breaking the law. The point is, Apple is not giving you an easy way to copy the files. If you want to break the law, you have to go out of your way to do it.
Sheesh, nitpicky people.
Re:You can NOT copy the files (Score:2, Informative)
Well, with a product like Audio Hijack [rogueamoeba.com], it's trivially easy to capture the streamed audio and make your own file. /p>
As other posters have noted, it's clear that this feature was intended for people to share among their family and friends, not to let the whole world listen to (and, using something like Audio Hijack, copy) someone's iTunes library.
Why do people feel the need to do things like this anyway?
Re:You can NOT copy the files (Score:2)
Actually, you don't even need to buy Audio Hijack. Good old netcat(1) (find it with Fink) can do the trick.
Chris
OH YES YOU CAN!!! (Score:5, Informative)
then yes you can dl the mp3's directly from iTunes
its basic but works ok and creates fully tagged mp3s
queue up files
google for "itunesdl" or "itdlgui"
anyone who thinks that you cant ALREADY do this with iTunes
for testing purposes only
[wink][tongue]
Way to take a good thing and ruin it (Score:3, Insightful)
You have set out to bite the hand that feeds you. I hope you assholes starve, because there were a lot of people out there who saw this as a useful service.
This is not illegal in the US (Score:5, Informative)
iTunes Music Sharing is limited to five concurrent clients, whether using Rendezvous or IP. I believe that this means it is exempt from the RIAA webcasting restrictions.
Tools such as Audio Hijack will allow you to record the audio stream to an AIFF in real time, but this isn't Apple's problem. Audio Hijack has many other legitimate uses.
Do
Think before posting
Re:This is not illegal in the US (Score:2)
READ before posting. Others have already pointed out that the streams can be copied.
This is the same as software piracy...the people that do it justify it to themselves however they like, but it's STILL STEALING.
Re:This is not illegal in the US (Score:2)
Recording a stream from a shared library, which forces you to browse for each song or use the server's playlists, is little different from going to the library, borrowing a CD and dubbing it to a cassette/MiniDisc.
Re:This is not illegal in the US (Score:2)
For obvious reasons I won't spell it out, but when you've done it right, a simple URL like http://your.mac.com:3689/somestuff/file.mp3 is all it takes. You just type it in your web browser and you've downloaded the file. Then you do it again, and again, and you've downloaded someone's entire music collection.
The fact is, Apple has built in a trivially easy-to-exploit mp3 downloading feature into their flagship music application. It was a stup
Simply Incorrect (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Simply Incorrect (Score:3, Informative)
http://your.mac.com:3689/somestuff/file.mp3
is not meant to be taken literally! I did not spell it out precisely because I don't condone the stealing of music.
However, if you want to learn more, go to these two places:
pudge's journal [perl.org]
DAAP reverse-engineering project [sourceforge.net]
A DAAP Wiki (collaborative webpage) [deleet.de]
Briefly:
To just piggyback on iTunes:
Use tcpdump to watch for URLs of the form http://the.ip.address:3689/databases/32/233.mp3?se ssion_id=17934
Security Issues not Withstanding (Score:2, Insightful)
You're kidding, right? (Score:5, Insightful)
You're also forgetting that these are all Macs running OS X we're talking about-- this is not the 'major security hole found every week' Windows crowd putting their boxes on a "Soon to be 0wn3d" list.
~Philly
Re:Security Issues not Withstanding (Score:2)
Um, yeah, they all know, and none of them care, because they're all running Mac OS X, which is secure by default (all services turned off) and comes with a nice easy-to-configure firewall (a GUI front end for ipfw). Who cares if you've got their IP addresses? What are you gonna do to them, besides slashdot their bandwidth with iTunes?
Love shared iTunes, but can't buy at the Store! (Score:5, Interesting)
I think this streaming thing is pretty good for music proliferation, but it would help if Herr Jobs would kick up the Store's encoding crew a notch or two. Many of the artists I'm interested in aren't there, but the feedback function gets used frequently.
Also note that it has been said the streaming feature has a maximum of 5 connections. I don't think this was an overlooked loophole in the DRM plan.
Anyone actually read the iTunes license? (Score:4, Informative)
However, it appears that the library sharing feature is legal. And there is precedent -- Microsoft's ThreeDegrees has a similar feature.
iTunes streaming does not appear to fall under the "webcasting" laws/tariffs as the potential audience is limited, it is not live, and the client has the full ability to browse the contents of the server.
QUICK THREAD RECAP (READ ME) (Score:3, Insightful)
Large-Scale Music Sharing With iTunes 4 [macslash.org]
Quick summary:
Sharing with friends/family (for personal use) is cool
Sharing with total strangers isn't legal and violates the iTunes license
Yes, streaming != downloading, but your rights to stream have some limits.
Spymac Music and others sites will be shut down by Apple and/or the RIAA
Sharing music with friends is cool -- let's not ruin a good thing, people!
Reminder: Sharing music is for personal use only (Score:4, Insightful)
- Reminder: Sharing music is for personal use only
I don't know the legal definition of "personal use" but in these terms I would consider it to be about limiting streaming in much the same way you would limit distribution of your purchased CD collection.I really like this feature and I thank Apple for treating its customers like grown-ups. I'd hate for abuse to force them into dropping it.
Re:Reminder: Sharing music is for personal use onl (Score:3, Informative)
It says Remote access of copyrighted music is only provided for personal use or as otherwise legally permitted use only or when otherwise permitted by the law.
iTunes- The illegial copying program? (Score:3, Informative)
The files are streamed as standard mp3 files, over http. Because of this, you can capture them, just as you can capture a "mp3 radio" station.
Using ngrep [packetfactory.net] (which compiles cleanly on OSX), you can watch the network traffic.
File order (ie, the XXX.mp3) appears to be keyed on Date-Added. If you add the Date added field to itunes, and then stream the files, you can see they continue almost sequencially.
The ID of the music is continuing (XXX.mp3) is continuing, nearly sequencially.
One thing to note is that in some cases, this order might be screwed up slightly. This is because if a song is deleted from the user's libraby, it appears to keep it's number reserved.
The other thing that can screw the order up is songs that were batch-imported in the same minute. It seems that iTunes only tracks down to the minute, so the order within that minute is arbitrary, as far as I can tell.
If, after determining the URL via ngrep, and taking the IP, you retrieve it using curl (or wget), you add it to iTunes, it retains the id3 information.
ie- wget "http://192.168.1.102:3689/databases/35/items/311
It would be an interesting test to see if iTunes is adding information to the file before streaming it. (for identification, as Pudge suggested)
This would be possible by doing a binary diff on the two files. I don't have two macs with iTunes 4 installed (yet!, but I intend to install iTunes on the others soon), so I can't test this theory. Any volunteers?
(Side note- It would be trivial to write a perl script that parsed the ngrep output, and fed it into wget automatically, to download any songs you double-click.
[similiar to http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/ ]
You wouldn't even need to listen to the entire song. Just start it playing, and iTunes will finish for you. I won't post mine, for reasons below.)
Side note redux-
Apple may have inadvertantly created a file-sharing utility rivaling Napster/Kazaa. This creates an interesting legal issue. This creates an interesting legal issue. Keep in mind that a student was recently sued for creating a software device that searched Network shares for mp3 files.
Given the RIAA's stance towards piracy, and that they want to work with apple, I suspect they would sue whomever wrote the 4 line perl script, rather than Apple. They are also likely to ask "index" sites like spymac to shut down, and send a cease-and-desist, or a lawsuit..
I sure hope this Anonymous Coward thing works. I don't want to be sued today. I've done enough other questionable things.
-Crutz
Re:iTunes- The illegial copying program? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:iTunes- The illegial copying program? (Score:2, Informative)
for example:
wget 10.0.0.1:3689/login
The session id is coded into the four last bytes
wget 10.0.0.1:3689/databases?session-id=1234
The bd-id is encoded into the bytes after "miid"
wget 10.0.0.1:3689/databases/32/items?session-id=1234
Gives you a list of items, the item id(a number) is used to download the file
wget
AAC Has Questionable quality? (Score:3, Interesting)
MacNet article [macnet2.com]
And they mention that AAC is crap quality compared to Mp3, and that others have said the same. Any slashdot comments on this? Certainly no point in paying $.99 for crap. The entire article is good.
Re:AAC Has Questionable quality? (Score:2)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/krakow.asp
Re:AAC Has Questionable quality? (Score:2)
Overreacting. (Score:5, Interesting)
1) The files aren't copied, they are streamed.
2)It isn't covered under the internet broadcasting laws as each iTunes client can not send to more than 5 clients at a time.
Protocol? (Score:3, Interesting)
Piracy is not the problem (Score:2)
The difference with iTunes is that it makes obtaining music convenient, efficient, and legal. Running iTunes doesn't feel like hacking into something. It feels like buying something. And a million downloads the first week suggests that a lot of people would rather get their music without feeling dirty and without having to wade through the bad connections, dubious rippings, and intermittent availablity of a P2P netwo
It's convenience vs. legality (Score:3, Insightful)
Given the rather limited restrictions even placed on purchased music (the ability to burn the songs and then rip them as unprotected) means that Apple's agreement with the RIAA was simply to provide a SIMPLE legal ALTERNATIVE to the P2P networks that would encourage people to purchase music rather than obtain it illegally. The initial success of the service shows that most people will use such an alternative if it is SIMPLE and PAINLESS. A lot of people used the P2P networks because they were more convenient than going to a record store. I now find the iTMS more convenient than the P2P networks and I don't have to infringe on copyrights. That's the deal Apple made with the record companies (I don't realy know what the deal was, but that's how it seems given the limited restrictions in the service). They convinced the RIAA that people don't really want to do something illegal, they just want to do something convenient. It's just that before, the convenient thing to do was illegal.
Back to the streaming. It's a pain for MOST AVERAGE people to record a stream. The kiddies will do it no matter what, but the rest of us will listen to a friends tunes and then buy it for ourselves because it is MORE CONVENIENT and good karma.
Here's the best idea of all. Apple should add a 'buy song' button next to the songs that you are streaming from your friend (or complete strangers). If the song was originally purchased from the iTMS, it could have an identifier in it, so that it can be matched back to the Music Store and you could then purchase the song for yourself directly. You listen to your friends music, hear a song you like, and presto you can purchase it for yourself and have it in your collection and take it with you on your iPod or burn it to CD easily. This would require Apple/RIAA lifting the current restriction on streaming purchased music to only macs with your
kman
Macatism meets P2Pism (Score:2)
Re:Macatism meets P2Pism (Score:2)
We've been right there with you the whole time.
-The Mac Crowd
This is Laverne and Shirley music sharing.. (Score:2)
Sclemeel, schlemazel, hasenfeffer incorporated!!
Give us any chance, we'll take it.
Give us any rule, we'll break it.
We're gonna make our dreams come true.
Doin' it our way.
There is nothing we won't try,
Never heard the word impossible.
This time there's no stopping us.
We're gonna do it.
--
People freaking amaze me.
Re:Propaganda (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Propaganda (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Propaganda (Score:5, Interesting)
What word or words would you use to describe the act of obtaining a book from the library?
How about obtaining a CD or movie from the library (many libraries have extensive collections of CDs and movies, as well as books)? Does the fact that this revised situation involves music change your definition?
Now, how does leaving out the "library" part of the above picture, change the situation? Does sharing something become "theft" because individuals do it directly, rather than through a public-ish organization?
Although I partially agree with you, that people should call a spade a spade, not all music "sharing" counts as a euphemism for "stealing". As a better word, considering how most people I know use downloaded music, you might want to consider the phrase "free advertising".
And if "advertising" bothers you as yet another euphemism for "piracy", perhaps you can explain to me how Clearchannel differs from your typical pickpocket-on-the-street.
Re:Propaganda (Score:2)
Read 'em and weep. This is from www.loc.gov/copyright Chapter 1. I abridged the subsections for brevity, but go look for yourself if you're suspicious, or even if you're not. Sharing is a right guaranteed by federal law.
± 108. Limitations on exclusive rights: Reproduction by libraries and archives39
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this
Re:Propaganda (Score:2)
Kudos!
If I hadn't already posted on this topic, I'd mod you up.
Good to see that some people still have the ability to read and apply the law... Or rather, those sections of the law that grant us rights rather than only the ones taking away rights.
Thanks for the link.
Heh. Thinking about this, I find it somewhat ironic... All the people who collect music from the 'net but don't share t
Re:Propaganda (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes Slashdot is pro-P2P. But this is not "music theft". itunes 4 is only capable of streaming, you can only
this is no more music theft than you and a bunch of friends listening to one of your CD's
Re:This news suggests (Score:2)
Re:You can download from iTunes (Score:3, Interesting)
Great, except the "Get Sharing URL" feature is not available for remote music libraries your machine is connected to. And when a sharing URL looks like this:
daap://[computername]/resolve?database-spec='dmap . persistentid:0xd63645b768148d91'&playlist-spec='dm ap.persistentid:0xaa10915c0a85380b'&song-spec='dma p.persistentid:0x3e1050bf41fb7c8e'
I doubt you're go
Re:You can download from iTunes (Score:2)
Re:This is not new its shoutcast/icecast but for M (Score:2, Informative)
iTunes is well aware of Shoutcast and even has a built-in Radio section that organizes Shoutcast stations.
It depends on the format. (Score:2)
Dolemite
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