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Apple Remote Desktop 1.2 Released 38

Posted by timothy
from the remote-control dept.
sirisaac82 writes "Apple released version 1.2 of its Remote Desktop software. According to the website, new features include Remote Software Installation and Remote Network Startup Disk. Too bad it wasn't released yesterday, or you could have had a few more pranks to pull on those annoying co-workers."
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Apple Remote Desktop 1.2 Released

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  • Wow ! (Score:3, Informative)

    by Utopia (149375) on Wednesday April 02, 2003 @06:15PM (#5648518)
    The multiple observe classroom feature seems pretty neat!
    Windows can do this too (See Shadowing Remote Desktop [microsoft.com])
    but it isn't as elegent as Apple's solution.



    • by klui (457783)
      Looks like you need to use Windows Server Enterprise 2003 or DataCenter edition based server for use as a proxy to get the equivalent functionality within Windows. Just throw more money in hardware and MS licenses.

      I am impressed with Windows Remote Desktop's speed. It beats TightVNC by a "mile" in terms of responsivness. I use it to connect to my work Windows XP desktop via VPN and response is very good. I also have access to network resources at corporate LAN speeds without a lot of the problems with, say
      • Does anyone know how the response is for Apple Remote Desktop?

        i run 1.1 at 11 Mbps on my Airport connection, it feels just like VNC, slow and choppy :\
      • by cscx (541332)
        I am impressed with Windows Remote Desktop's speed.

        The thing that amazed me was logging into my machine using Remote Desktop from a computer lab a mile away, and having it automatically map *all* the network printers in that computer lab, drivers loaded and all. I think it tunnels it through the local machine or something, but all I had to do was hit File-> Print on the remote application and it listed all the \\remote\nnn printers, and sure enough it spit out at the computer lab!

        I was sold.
    • Yeah... great. Invasion of privacy! Whoo!

      And who said kids aren't growing up in a world of freedom and privacy. Fuck that.
      • Invasion of privacy in a school environment? Okay! I'm an advocate of right to privacy too, but give me a break. Don't ruin the cause by making claims that something like THIS is an invasion.

        In a school, students don't have much privacy to begin with. And when you're talking about what they are doing on school provided computers, during classtime (ie. when they are supposed to be working), the teacher has every right to look. Teachers used to walk around the classroom and peek over your shoulder. Was
        • Perhaps if they managed to teach kids something, then I might tolerate it, but seeing as most kids learn jack-shit from school.

          We're in a society based around freedom, why not give people the right to it, rather than running schools like a fascist shithole which our 'boys' go and "regime change" every few years.

          School is there to teach, not to read my email. (I'm mainly pissed off because they've filtered outgoing SSH from my college... because that's what HACKERS use, and HACKERS are BAD PEOPLE and sprea
          • Re:Wow ! (Score:2, Insightful)

            by Mononoke (88668)
            Perhaps if they managed to teach kids something, then I might tolerate it, but seeing as most kids learn jack-shit from school.
            You can thank parents for that problem. Especially parents who fail to teach their children to respect elders.

            Teaching (and learning) begins at home. If it doesn't, it never occurs in school.

          • This is mostly about HS and below. Not college. And if a university wants to limit services made available through the computers they provide well, tough shit. As with most universities, your bandwidth is probably provided to you free! It's not part of your tuition.

            I was at school before they had networks available in the dorms and all. Actually, I was part of the beta group to make them available at UCSD. Don't whine because you don't get everything exactly the way you want it.

            To think that there i
            • Yeah, I know. Most of your suggestions are based on common sense, wheras mine are based on being very angry. Which is definitely not the best way to formulate and disseminate useful opinions.

              Anyway, I'd quite like to see schools run democratically - each student gets a vote. That would rule enormously.
        • I didn't have time for a point by point response...

          "students don't have much privacy to begin with"

          Yep. That's bad. Really bad actually. They should have as much as other citizens. Because, in effect, they are citizens.

          "school provided computers, during classtime"

          Who pays for those computers? - taxpayers. Therefore they ought to have a say in whether Junnior's privacy is being invaded.

          "used to walk around the classroom and peek over your shoulder. Was that an invasion to privacy?"

          Yes. Precedent does n
          • Do you have kids? I'm serious.

            First of all, kids are not full citizens. They do not have the right to vote, drink, or even marry (in most cases). Most children are not capable of being responsible citizens. They are impulsive, selfish, cruel, violent, and completely undisciplined. They're cute until they're about 2 years old. Then they become evil monsters. Then they're cute again after a couple years... then they become monsters once more. And they don't stop being monsters until they become adult
  • Remote Installation (Score:5, Informative)

    by rsmith-mac (639075) on Wednesday April 02, 2003 @06:37PM (#5648690)
    I think a lot of people will underestimate the importance of Remote Installation, but this feature is critical to using OS X in large environments. At the moment, you can use products such as Filewave to keep software up to date, but this all goes out the window when it comes to system software - MacOS updates, Quicktime, and even security updates. Apple's installer packages run necessary pre and post installation scripts, and up to now, there hasn't been a remote solution for MacOS X to do anything similar, meaning you couldn't remotely do these updates except by using SSH to run CLI programs(which in turn still limits you, as you're still virtually visiting every machine).

    With 1.2, it's now possible to remotely run installer packages en-mass, allowing you to push out software updates, and this is huge. While it's not necessarily the best solution for software updates, 1.2 will none the less allow admins to maintain more X machines than before, enabling large-scale deployments. This is crucial for Apple, as one of the things holding X back has been the lack of remote updates, which means they'll finally be able to break X in to the largest organizations.

    This may be a .1 update, but the ramifications of it are huge.
    • you couldn't remotely do these updates except by using SSH to run CLI programs(which in turn still limits you, as you're still virtually visiting every machine).

      I've heard that MacOS X is built on a Unix-like operating system which will allow you to use something called "scripting" to handle repetitive tasks. Evidently, Unix admins have been using this technique to manage workstations since before Microsoft SMS was even available.
      • Even with scripting, you're more limited than with this. I took a crack at using ARD 1.1 to push out installer packages as modified startup items, but it has a couple of problems, not the least of which is that the user has to reboot before it's executed, and then there's no way to stop the bootup process when it does get executed. I also designed(but never coded out) a process of using cron to execute the contents of a directory pushed out by ARD, but that still shared some of the same problems.

        The fact o
    • by Anonymous Coward
      I'm responsible for the administration of a (small) bunch of mac under OS X (10.2).

      I think ARA is only relevant when you administer a very small set of computers. When the number of computer is big, CLI (Command Line Interface) is prefered because it is some much simpler to execute remotely (from a shell) and to automate (write a shell script, add it your crontab).

      And, at the moment, you don't have to pay anything to do this. Simply use "DiskCopy" (or "hdiutil" for its CLI equivalent) to create an image o
      • by SlamMan (221834)
        Asr has some limitations for tthis sort of thing. Most notably, it doesn't install, it only copies. Asr is the best thing under the sun when you want to toss an image on a new drive (usuualy about an hour faster than ccc), but no so good when you want to update quicktime on all the machines.
  • RealVNC (Score:3, Interesting)

    by White Roses (211207) on Wednesday April 02, 2003 @06:41PM (#5648717)
    I'd really like a RealVNC solution (or compatible) for Mac OS X. I'm using VNCThing to view RealVNC servers from my iMac, but I haven't found much satisfaction in serving VNC off my iMac yet.

    Hints?

    • Re:RealVNC (Score:5, Informative)

      by Hanji (626246) on Wednesday April 02, 2003 @06:57PM (#5648832)
      OSXvnc [redstonesoftware.com].
      Very nice, and easy to use. It's even got (more-or-less) builtin support for launching it from a shell.
      • Redstone says that OSXvnc 1.11 supports zRLE encoding which the realvnc folks says is comparable to tight encoding. So does this mean tightvnc is obsolete?
      • It's slow as hell and saturates a 10Mbit connection!

    • The VNC server OSXvnc [redstonesoftware.com] works quite well for me.

      If you're interested in real fun, start a server and on the same machine connect to that server using VNCThing.

      Michael.
    • Re:RealVNC (Score:3, Informative)

      by Smurf (7981)
      I suppose that you want something like OSXvnc [redstonesoftware.com], which allows you to share your main (and only) quartz display.

      But you may also want to check out Xvnc for MacOS X [noaa.gov], which allows you to share secondary X Window sessions (:1 through :99, in theory). This is one of the few huge advantages of X over Quartz/Aqua: you can create several simultaneous sessions that are kept alive independently, and that may be created by different users. It is a really useful feature but unfortunately you can only launch X applicati
  • Best thing.... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by WasterDave (20047) <davep@nosPAm.zedkep.com> on Wednesday April 02, 2003 @07:24PM (#5648992)
    The best thing about this is you can have an unlimited licence for five hundred bucks. It's a bit touch and go as a way to help my mother in law sort stuff out remotely, but for installations much over about a dozen machines it must be a complete no-brainer.

    Dave
  • This update only applies to Mac OS X. There is no information on whether an OS 9.x client update will be released.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    I use Timbuktu with my macs, and MS Remote Desktop Connection with a Win2k machine. RDC over the internet is significantly faster than Timbuktu over the local network. Does anyone know how Apple Remote Desktop compares in speed to these other options? Thanx in advance.
  • I work in the IS department of an enterprise environment where Macs are used to make print advertisements (big shock there.)

    Moving forward to Mac OS X, one of the big question marks we had was how to push out OS updates. Under the existing Mac OS 9 infrastructure, we would have to either try to FileWave it out if it was just some extensions, or write some gawd-awful perl script with inline applescript to do some of this stuff.

    With this remote install feature, now we can use the FREE package builder that
  • Hi all

    I have encountered a very interesting problem while upgrading from 1.1 to 1.2 ARD. On the main status window, I have client computers that flash in for a few seconds and then dissapear! I have successfully used ARD since September in a lab with 28 flat panel imacs, static IP addresses, and no DHCP.

    Other details: All the machines (including the one's that are errantly popping up my list are on the asme subnet (255.255.0.0). The machines I _want_ to manage are 10.2.4, the ones that are popping on m

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