Al Gore Joins Apple's Board Of Directors 944
zzxc writes "News.com.com reports that Al Gore has been chosen to be on Apple's board of directors. Apple has a press release with more information. According to the press release, 'Al brings an incredible wealth of knowledge and wisdom to Apple from having helped run the largest organization in the world--the United States government' and 'He has remained an active leader in technology--launching a public/private effort to wire every classroom and library in America to the Internet.' The inventor of the internet should be a valuable asset to Apple."
Gore didn't claim that (Score:5, Informative)
Al Gore never claimed he invented the internet, and anyone who jokes about it is just showing their ignorance. (sorry timothy)
Kallahar
Re:Insert Internet Inventor Joke Here (Score:5, Informative)
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
Gore meaning, obvious to anyone who knew the record, was that he did the political work and articulated the public vision that made the Internet possible. No reasonable person could conclude that Gore was claiming to have invented the Internet in any technical sense. The first half of his sentence makes this clear: he is talking about work he did in the context of his service in the Congress. The creation of the Internet was a process that had several phases and took several years, and Gore is claiming the principal credit for the political side of that effort. It is a substantial claim, but an accurate one.
AUGH! STOP REPEATING THAT! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:al gore _did_ invent the internet (Score:3, Informative)
"Al Gore Invented the Internet" (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Insert Internet Inventor Joke Here (Score:1, Informative)
No, he didn't. [nytimes.com] Twit.
1st usenet message with both Gore and ISH (Score:2, Informative)
Snipped from;
[google.com]
Google Link
"3. THE "INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY" SHOWS A BIG INCREASE IN FY 92.
The President's budget proposes $638M for the High Performance
Computing and Communications program, an increase of $149M, or
30%. This initiative was generated by the Federal Coordinating
Council on Science and Engineering Technology (FCCSET, which is
pronounced "fix it") and involves eight Federal agencies. The
project has been pushed both by Bromley and Sen. Gore (D-TN),
whose father launched the superhighway program. The High Perform-
ance Computing program includes the National Research and Educa-
tion Network which will connect the Nation's educational and
research organizations to Federal libraries, databases, super-
computers and such facilities as telescopes and accelerators."
Re:al gore _did_ invent the internet (Score:3, Informative)
I think it's probably more realistic to say that virtually ALL politicians have said stupid things.
Here's some proof for Mr. Gore.:
http://www.gargaro.com/algore.html [gargaro.com]
I'm not sure how many of these are true, as the site is a bit dated, and some of the reference links no longer work, but I do know the comments he made about Malaysia are accurate because I saw it on a news program (and could hardly believe what I was hearing).
Anyway, a lot of it is media perception. If the media keeps stressing a certain aspect of someone in the spotlight, eventually everyone will think it's true.
And let's not forget the true king of political quotes, Dan Quayle [xmission.com]!
bull shit. (Score:-1, Informative)
Prove it please. Show me some votes and correlate it to internet history. Statements made in the late 90s about something that hapened decades before deserve a grain of salt. Gore also took credit for solving Love Canal and that was a total lie. Plenty of reasonable people could imagine Gore taking more credit than he deserves.
Re:Insert Internet Inventor Joke Here (Score:4, Informative)
From http://www.politechbot.com/p-01394.html
"Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet."
Re:I don't get it. (Score:1, Informative)
Wow. I don't get how something so idiotic gets modded up.
Won't even answer the killed 100 people slant, but two bit dictator? Tell that to the witnesses who saw Saddam do this: "There was a machine designed for shredding plastic. Men were dropped into it and we were again made to watch. Sometimes they went in head first and died quickly. Sometimes they went in feet first and died screaming. It was horrible. I saw 30 people die like this. Their remains would be placed in plastic bags and we were told they would be used as fish food . . . on one occasion, I saw Qusay [President Saddam Hussein's youngest son] personally supervise these murders."" Saddam is a mass murderer [timesonline.co.uk]
Wrong person to blame (Score:4, Informative)
No shit, really. (Score:5, Informative)
I'm too lazy to go hit up LoC for the dates and numbers, but it's there.
Re:bull shit. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I have to go hear him lecture next week (Score:5, Informative)
Re:DMCA? (Score:4, Informative)
there is a big difference.
If the government said "no adult material is allowed, and will be removed" I would be angry
If the government says adult magazines must be behnd the counter, I don't mind.
bull shit? Yes, your post is indeed. (Score:5, Informative)
The claim that Gore took credit for solving Love Canal? Yes, that was a lie since Gore claimed no such thing. [washingtonmonthly.com] The RNC, with the help of the media, quote Gore out of context and actually changed words to make appear he said something different.
"The Love Canal controversy began on Nov. 30 when Gore was speaking to a group of high school students in Concord, N.H. He was exhorting the students to reject cynicism and to recognize that individual citizens can effect important changes. As an example, he cited a high school girl from Toone, Tenn., a town that had experienced problems with toxic waste. She brought the issue to the attention of Gore's congressional office in the late 1970s. "I called for a congressional investigation and a hearing," Gore told the students. "I looked around the country for other sites like that. I found a little place in upstate New York called Love Canal. Had the first hearing on that issue, and Toone, Tennessee---that was the one that you didn't hear of. But that was the one that started it all." After the hearings, Gore said, "We passed a major national law to clean up hazardous dump sites. And we had new efforts to stop the practices that ended up poisoning water around the country. We've still got work to do. But we made a huge difference. And it all happened because one high school student got involved."
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The next day, The Washington Post stripped Gore's comments of their context and gave them a negative twist. "Gore boasted about his efforts in Congress 20 years ago to publicize the dangers of toxic waste," the Post reported. "OEI found a little place in upstate New York called Love Canal,' he said, referring to the Niagara homes evacuated in August 1978 because of chemical contamination. OEI had the first hearing on this issue.'... Gore said his efforts made a lasting impact. OEI was the one that started it all,' he said." [WP, Dec. 1, 1999]
The New York Times ran a slightly less contentious story with the same false quote: "I was the one that started it all."
The Republican National Committee spotted Gore's alleged boast and was quick to fax around its own take. "Al Gore is simply unbelievable---in the most literal sense of that term," declared Republican National Committee Chairman Jim Nicholson. "It's a pattern of phoniness---and it would be funny if it weren't also a little scary."
The GOP release then doctored Gore's quote a bit more. After all, it would be grammatically incorrect to have said, "I was the one that started it all." So, the Republican handout fixed Gore's grammar to say, "I was the one who started it all."
In just one day, the key quote had transformed from "that was the one that started it all" to "I was the one that started it all" to "I was the one who started it all."
And someone's already posted what Vinton Cerf had to say about Gore's role in creating the Internet.
Re:Insert Internet Inventor Joke Here (Score:5, Informative)
On September 1, 2000, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich addressed the American Political Science Association. His remarks were broadcast on C-SPAN:
GINGRICH: In all fairness, it's something Gore had worked on a long time. Gore is not the Father of the Internet, but in all fairness, Gore is the person who, in the Congress, most systematically worked to make sure that we got to an Internet, and the truth is--and I worked with him starting in 1978 when I got [to Congress], we were both part of a "futures group"--the fact is, in the Clinton administration, the world we had talked about in the '80s began to actually happen.
Re:GORE DID CLAIM THAT (Score:1, Informative)
When you heard him make that exact statement, was that like the time you met Bugs Bunny at Disneyland?
Re:quotes, etc (Score:5, Informative)
An interesting article can also be found here [reason.com], discussing how Al Gore pushed what became the High Performance Computing Act of 1991 - which was a billion bucks, about 15% of which was "new money", to work on networking.
Basically - he didn't do any of the techie stuff, obviously. He did push for more money in congress earlier than most people were. Was it essential? Probably not. But it helped.
As for love canal: Al Gore NEVER EVER EVER said he either "discovered" the Love Canal problem or "solved" it. You're quite mistaken in that assertion.
The story from CBS here. [cbsnews.com]
Quick summary: Al Gore mentiones he had the first federal government hearings on Love Canal (true), and that Love Canal started the big hullaballo about companies polluting the crap out of land then selling it for housing developments (true).
I swear to God, every time I read something like this I get pissed off. Doesn't anybody ever bother to fact check anymore? Wasn't anybody else ever told "don't believe all that you read/hear?"
When you hear/read something like this - check it! Go into Google, type in a query, read a couple of different reports on the issue - that's the only way to get at a reasonable approximation of the truth. It takes 2 FREAKIN' MINUTES to do a search like this.
People want to manipulate you. They will outright lie or at least twist the facts to do so. They rely on people like you too damn lazy to do the research.
"Prove it, please." Jesus H. Christ! Don't you have an internet connection? Don't you know how to use Google? Do you need me to come over and spoon the applesauce into your mouth as soon as you've finished clicking on the links I've provided? (Presuming you live in a representative democracy/republic) IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to be educated about the world you live in and the behavior of its elected leaders. Get off your ass, type some stuff into Google, and find out for yourself.
Re: Al Gore Joins Apple's Board Of Directors (Score:2, Informative)
Notice it said "attended," not "graduated from." He failed out.
Eisenhower and Gore (Score:3, Informative)
In 1957 Eisenhower created the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA, a think tank charged with creating ideas to compete with the Soviet Union). To collaborate on these ideas, they created Internet?s predecessor Arpanet, first envisioned by the head of DARPA computer projects, J.C.R. Licklider of MIT.
In the early days of computers, each of these research centers had a computer, but each was made to order and many were one-of-a-kind. Each computer had its own operating system, application languages, data structures, and protocols and that made data with users at other research center locations inaccessible.
Arpanet overcame this limitation with the development by Vint Cerf from Stanford University, of TCP/IP, or Transfer Control Protocol/Internet Protocol. TCP/IP is based upon packet switching, developed by Leonard Kleinrock at MIT in 1961.
Story can be found here http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=20
Re:I don't get it. (Score:3, Informative)
He does it by not trying to bullshit people into believing things that just aren't true.
Purposely spreading unsubstantiated rumors and lies is "not trying to bullshit people into believing things that just aren't true?"
Here's just ONE [aol.com] example of the numerous false statements he has made in print and on the air:
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In Chapter 16 of "The Way Things Ought To Be" Rush talked about how Willie Horton brutally raped a woman after he was allowed out of a Massachusetts prison on a furlough program while Michael Dukakis was governor. Rush, of course, refers to this as the "Dukakis furlough program" and blames Dukakis for the whole affair.
What Rush failed to mention was that the furlough law he is talking about was passed when Dukakis was not even governor of Massachusetts. It was signed into law by the REPUBLICAN governor who preceded Dukakis. Dukakis' biggest involvement with that law was that he repealed it. But you would never hear Rush mention this. He doesn't want you to hear the whole truth.
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I don't think Rush is an idiot, so he must know that he's lying to all of you.
Re:bull shit. (Score:1, Informative)
www.snopes.com [snopes.com]
Re:e-mail from Lloyd Wood (Score:3, Informative)
The important quote from Lloyd's message (responding to Vincent Cerf): "Thanks; it's good to know that Al Gore's statement isn't completely without unsupported foundation - although it could do with clearer scope."
So perhaps it would be more correct to say "he thought Gore was full of shit, UNTIL others pointed out the context in which Gore was speaking."
Re:DMCA? (Score:4, Informative)
> Jobs were pretty tight, while Michael Dell was a
> big supporter of Dubya. I think that says a lot
It sure does. Plus Microsoft was a big supporter of Dubya as well. Back during the election, Microsoft hired one of Bush's consultants to help them lobby the Bush administration about the anti trust case:
(from the NY Times article, Apr 11, 2000)
According to a Mercury News article from 1999, Microsoft also helped finance his inaugural celebration for his second term as Texas governor, and their COO was one of GWB's chief fundraisers for the Northeast.
One good thing you can say about Bush is that when he's bought, he stays bought!
Not accurate .... he DID say that (Score:3, Informative)
Re:bull shit. (Score:2, Informative)
In fact I am not sure how many people on this board honestly knew more than him about the Internet in 1986.
1986: Gore called for, in the context of funding for the NSF, support for basic research in computer networking
1988: Gore argued for the creation of a high-capacity national data network
1989: On a floor debate Gore continued his support for federally funded research in high-performance computing and networking. His words presage the Internet as we know it today.
Gore's efforts in the mid to late 1980s to promote national networking initiatives eventually paid off, when the High Performance Computing Act of 1991 was passed by both houses of Congress. The Houston Chronicle ran an article under the headline "Data superhighway' for nation's computers approved by Congress" on November 30, 1991, crediting Gore's role
Take a look at the sources and his exact words at that time. Senator Gore's Activities [firstmonday.dk]