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OpenDarwin.org Releases Darwin With Fixes 151

An anonymous reader writes "OpenDarwin released a 'fixed' version of the Darwin 6.0.2 ISO (the OpenDarwin-20030213 Binary Release) for both x86 and PPC. It is currently installing, so I can't tell you all what works now, etc. Hopefully I can use my old PC box as a server with this..." Apparently, it is mostly a recompile, without local OpenDarwin modifications. It doesn't include perl, pending integration of perl 5.8 ... could this mean Mac OS X will finally have a current perl in the next Mac OS X release?
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OpenDarwin.org Releases Darwin With Fixes

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  • Perl (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19, 2003 @09:01AM (#5334016)
    Actually, I think it means that they are about to do a sensible thing and remove Perl from the base, just like FreeBSD has.
  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Matthias Wiesmann ( 221411 ) on Wednesday February 19, 2003 @09:18AM (#5334075) Homepage Journal
    Actually, they already do.
    If you look at recent apple mices, there is no button to speak of: the whole shell acts as a button.
    The change had a funny effect: my mother did not notice anything missing, she just clicked. While some geeks I know where quite startled and tried to find the button.
  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by slux ( 632202 ) on Wednesday February 19, 2003 @09:26AM (#5334109)
    We're of course wildly off-topic here, but how much is there to discuss about just OpenDarwin..?

    there is some reasoning behind having just a single mouse button. To us computer literate who've gotten used to being able to right click it may seem very limiting but I believe the original reason (and why Apple still has only one mouse button) was that having a second one that is only of limited use is confusing to new users. I can verify this, having teached senior citizens to use a computer. "What's the second mouse button for?" is a frequent question to which I cannot really give an answer because it has none whatsoever at their level of usage. Another problem is that sometimes they tend to click it accidentally. I'm not saying having a second mouse button is a bad idea (I can't since I use it and the wheel daily) but there are reasons to not have it on a beginner's mouse.

    BTW, nother thing that is difficult for senior citizens sometimes is getting double-clicks right and understanding why one has to doubleclick the icons while just a single click is enough everywhere else. What's the reason we have those again? Even KDE seems to have finally decided against defaulting to single-click icons in 3.1 at least on my Mandrake 9.1 beta. A shame, really.

    Finally, while I've been forced to teach Windows so far, I feel that GNOME 2 would be a lot easier for beginners. There are all kinds of strange features in the Windows desktop. With GNOME I would not have to teach about My Computer and devices that it contains and there is just one logical place to save the user's files into: ~. In addition, there's all sorts of weird behaviour on the Windows desktop that has no real reason to exist (why does the start menu have to hide part of the contents of a folder if it's a little longer?). GNOME is definitely easier to use. My only wish would be is that GNOME would default to having the user's home directory as the desktop and make it function correctly in every case. Someone wrote an essay about it and I can easily see the beauty. In a way, the GUI's "home" is the desktop so why can't the two be the same?
  • by snowtigger ( 204757 ) on Wednesday February 19, 2003 @09:36AM (#5334176) Homepage
    Is the latest kernel included ? The one included with 10.2.4 is the following:

    uname -a
    Darwin computername.local. 6.4 Darwin Kernel Version 6.4: Wed Jan 29 18:50:42 PST 2003; root:xnu/xnu-344.26.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc

    However, the darwin kernel you download from Apple is only version 6.0. Does anyone know where to fetch the latest kernel ?
  • by giminy ( 94188 ) on Wednesday February 19, 2003 @09:47AM (#5334232) Homepage Journal
    I understand they're fairly popular.

    Right, but a tiny shred of security through obscurity never hurts. I would bet that clueless script kiddiez trying out their latest h4cker software wouldn't be as successful against yet another unix flavor (system calls won't work exactly the same under Darwin as they do under the other *bsds). Kiddiez probably won't bother learning darwin internals just to crack .000001% of the web servers out there. I know folks that run linux on obscure hardware for the same reason...not much risk of worms, kiddiez, and the like.
  • by zangdesign ( 462534 ) on Wednesday February 19, 2003 @10:35AM (#5334541) Journal
    BSD. Definitely BSD.

    The primary reason for releasing Open Darwin on x86 is as a check for cross-platform coding. The reason it is public at all, is that it generates publicity with the /. crowd and costs them little or nothing in the process. While some Apple developers are putting time into stabilizing the sofware on the x86 platform, very little is being done to actually advance the project in it's current form.

    It is not very stable and you would gain no advantages in networking between x86 and Macs by using OpenDarwin, since there is NO gui whatsoever.
  • by JordanH ( 75307 ) on Wednesday February 19, 2003 @12:06PM (#5335275) Homepage Journal
    • The reason it is public at all, is that it generates publicity with the /. crowd and costs them little or nothing in the process.

    Not to mention the fear it inspires in Motorola. I'm sure this goes a long way toward helping keep PPC prices low (for Apple) and pushing PPC performance higher.

  • by shawnce ( 146129 ) on Wednesday February 19, 2003 @05:02PM (#5338266) Homepage
    Hexley [opendarwin.org]
  • by Frymaster ( 171343 ) on Wednesday February 19, 2003 @05:08PM (#5338324) Homepage Journal

    I'd rather suggest Plan 9.


    now if we could only get seemail and vwhois [bell-labs.com] on darwin we'd be set!

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