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All-New PowerBooks, Web Browser Featured at Macworld 1095

Apple CEO Steve Jobs once again introduced the new PowerBooks new and upgraded software to a throng of adoring fans at the annual Macworld Expo San Francisco, including a new web browser, new versions of the "iLife" applications (iPhoto, iMovie, and iDVD), and presentation software (which Steve himself has been "beta testing" at every Macworld keynote since 2002).
The PowerBook has been extended in two directions, with screens up to 17" and down to 12". Both feature a new material for the casing, aluminum (anodized, not painted), with AirPort antennas in the screen. The AirPort range of the PowerBook now equals the iBook. It will no longer boot into Mac OS, only into Mac OS X.

The 17" model is 1440x900 resolution, 16:10 aspect ratio, G4/1GHz, SuperDrive, GeForce4 440 Go/64MB, and all the same ports, with the addition of line in and FireWire 800 (in addition to FireWire 400). It is less than 1" thin, and 6.8 lbs., and has fiber-optic lightning for the keyboard activated by ambient light sensors. It will be available next month for $3,300.

The 12" version is 4.6 lbs., and is smaller than the iBook in every dimension. It's 1024x768, G4/867, GeForce4 420 Go/32MB, and is AirPort-ready ($99 extra). It is $1,800 for a combo drive model, $2,000 for a SuperDrive model, and will be available in two weeks.

Both models sport the new AirPort Extreme (802.11g), which is 54Mbps, up from the 11Mbps of AirPort (802.11b). The base stations and clients are fully compatible with the old AirPort, handle 50 users, and support both wireless bridging (to extend the range by adding more stations) and can act as a USB printer server.

Jobs also introduced Safari, a new Mac OS X browser based on the KHTML rendering engine from KDE (and Apple will publish changes they've made to it). There's nothing especially great about it -- it's a web browser -- except that, unlike most other browsers, it is expected to be fast and work properly, as well as be fully integrated into Mac OS X. The web is a killer app, but pretty much all web browsers suck; Apple hopes to give us something that doesn't suck in Safari. It is a free download for the beta, starting today. This story was posted using Safari. W00p.

iPhoto 2 has been revamped, with iTunes integration (access to playlists, tracks, even searching) for slide shows; one-click enhance of photos; a retouch brush; archiving to CD/DVD; and more. iMovie 3 has added chapters, the "Ken Burns Effect" (panning through still images), and precise audio editing. iDVD 3 has added a ton of quite cool themes, which will look great the first few times you see them.

They are -- along with iTunes -- bundled with all new Macs beginning January 25 as "iLife". All but iDVD will be freely available online, contrary to previously published reports. The entire bundle of four apps will be available for retail purchase for $50.

For sale today at $99 is another new app, Keynote, which is the presentation software Jobs has been using for over a year for his own presentations. It includes all sorts of flashy features like textures and Quartz-powered 3D transitions, and can import and export PowerPoint, as well as export to PDF and QuickTime. It has an open file format (using XML).

Jobs also introduced Final Cut Express, a stripped-down version of Final Cut Pro, for $300, and noted other prominent third-party software recently released for Mac OS X: QuickBooks, Director, and DigiDesign Pro Tools (later this month). He noted that the number of native apps for Mac OS X jumped from 2,000 to 5,000 in 2002.

Meanwhile, the number of users of the OS went from 1.2 million to 5 million last year, and he expects the number to jump to 9 or 10 million in 2003.

Update: 01/07 19:37 GMT by Jamie (also posted with Safari): And thanks to the several Slashdot readers who pointed out a great but unannounced product: X11 (aka the X Windows System) for Mac OS X. It's in Public Beta right now. Great to see this, an Apple-supported X is greatly needed. I don't know why Jobs didn't at least mention this, it would have gotten quite the round of applause I'm sure.

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  • by redherring22 ( 579425 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:33PM (#5034647) Homepage
    OSX X11 [apple.com]
    Something Steve didn't mention in his keynote but very cool-- they're really reaching out to the developer crowd here. A double-clickable X11 installer? yeeee-haw!
  • by Nutcase ( 86887 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:34PM (#5034658) Homepage Journal
    It seems apple is now pushing it's own X11 implementation at: http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ [apple.com]

    Not announced, but still quite interesting. Its X11, but with all the OS X look on the windows (shadows, genie, etc)
  • Not bad (Score:5, Informative)

    by Lebannen ( 626462 ) <slash AT irowan DOT com> on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:36PM (#5034678) Homepage
    Fascinating.

    It's officially the 'year of the notebook' - so that's how Apple is coping with slow processors then!

    Very nice new powerbooks though - especially the 17-incher, with glowing keyboards and ambient light detection. It also adjusts the screen brightness, mmmm :)

    Safari, the web browser, is actually based of KHTML - KDE's HTML library. Not bad, especially seeing as they're going to give the 'orders of magnitude' speedups back in the way of the source code.

    And digs at Quark. And the rumors sites were practically all wrong. Hah. Best keynote in ages.
  • by SirSlud ( 67381 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:40PM (#5034735) Homepage
    Okay, I'm sure some poster will happily link to prior art, but that keyboard is fucking cool.

    Automagically adjusting itself depending on the ambient light ... fibre optic light strips ... the Christians are going to have a whole other sexuality to denounce this year, cause between the aluminum casing, the 1440x990 screen, this just might be the year where people are finally caught literally humping their powerbooks. Look at those pics, I know I would!
  • Re:Safari (Score:5, Informative)

    by EccentricAnomaly ( 451326 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:40PM (#5034747) Homepage
    Put it does block pop-up ads!
  • by elliotj ( 519297 ) <slashdot AT elliotjohnson DOT com> on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:41PM (#5034765) Homepage
    first impressions:

    * no tabbed browsing - wtf?
    * no way to import bookmarks - got a hundred in chimera, time to poke around and see if I can figure a way to do it
    * nice default fonts
    * respects internet preferences like homepage
    * nice brused look
    * looks clean

    17" AlBook:
    * what's up with the keyboard. they're using the same sized keyboard for the 12" and 17" models. wtf? the 17" has so much more space, and a bigger keyboard would be a great feature .... much better than backlighting!
  • by Erik K. Veland ( 574016 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:41PM (#5034771) Homepage
    While I'm definitly going to sell both my current macs and buy the new 17" lust-object, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the public beta of Safari is one hell of a pre-released alpha.

    The interface is super-nice, and the features outstanding. But the browser rendering? Well it sucks donkey-bottom. I've sent in no less than six bug-reports in the first three minutes I used it. It didn't load my css on my home page at all, macnn.com is missing tables. A surprise that they even found ten good sites to show in the keynote. I'm really looking forward to this browser maturing, but for now Chimera 0.6.0 is the way to go.

    Too bad though, Safari is - like I said - real sleek in the interface way. And fast too. But heck, I've waited this long for Chimera to mature, so why not wait a little more. It's heck of a lot more promising than just a few screenshots of a future Apple-browser.
  • Re:Open Source (Score:3, Informative)

    by dennism ( 13667 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:42PM (#5034774) Homepage

    The writeup forgot to mention that both Safari and Keynote are open source.

    The HTML rendering portion of Safari is open source. Keynote is not -- it's a commercial product like DVD Studio, Final Cut Pro, MacOS X, and just about everything else Apple does.

  • I LOVE Safari (Score:2, Informative)

    by TomHandy ( 578620 ) <tomhandy AT gmail DOT com> on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:43PM (#5034790)
    First off, I'm glad to see that Apple did not start charging for the main iApps (only iDVD, which makes sense). The software demonstrations were actually really impressive, as I'm normally bored by the software demonstrations. The new PowerBooks are also nifty, but I'm probably not going to buy one any time soon, since I already have a 12 inch iBook.

    But of all of this, Safari is the coolest. I know "a new web browser" isn't exactly earth shattering news, but this is really nice to have. I am running Safari now, and I love the little UI touches, and the speed of it is great.....it has replaced Chimera for me. So far I've encountered only one site which didn't display properly (on gamespot.com, the login fields distorted the grey graphic they were on), so I clicked the little Bug reporting button and submitted it......quick and painless.

    So far I'm really impressed though. A new web browser may not be exciting, but since this is one of the main apps I use, having something that is really fast and slick is very nice.

    Thumbs up!

    -Tom

  • by owenc ( 255848 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:43PM (#5034804) Journal
    I think since QT was ported to OS X, it's easier to use native widgets with KHTML rather than gecko. Chimera for instance does not use real aqua text entry and widgets within the web page, but a theme that looks like they are.
  • by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:48PM (#5034869)
    mee too! on a power book. pages just explode onto the screen. No borders on the window and a very svelt tool bar mean maximum screen real estate for windows. Also a nice snap-back tool for going back ward to a marked point at a deep web site. sort of like a temporary bookmark.

    its released under GPL not the apple open source lic.

    It seems to be missing some sort of activity indicator (like the flashing N in netscape or the flashing lizard or the flashing E. This is a bit annoying since you dont know if you should click again or not when a link is sluggish

    privacy freeks may note one missing cookie setting. it has
    Always/Never/ and ONLY FROM SITES I NAVIGATE TOO (NO AD COOKIES). But it is missing an "always ask" setting. Not that I will miss it, but the paranoid may care.
  • Safari Blocks Popups (Score:4, Informative)

    by d3xt3r ( 527989 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:49PM (#5034885)
    Another great feature.... Safari blocks popups just as easily as Mozilla. Just click Safari->Block pop-up Windows !!! Nice feature. This was a great Mac World!
  • by borggraefe ( 221491 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @03:56PM (#5034933)
    I too cant believe they used KHTML. I think they use Gecko. They hired David Hyatt a few months ago. David Hyatt was working at Netscape before and was one of their best developers. He actually had the most bugs assigned in Bugzilla.

    Stefan
  • by tassii ( 615268 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @04:00PM (#5034957)
    no way to import bookmarks - got a hundred in chimera, time to poke around and see if I can figure a way to do it

    Drag and drop. Open Chimera's bookmark list and drag it to Safari's bookmark list. Done. Very sweet.
  • by fliplap ( 113705 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @04:04PM (#5034983) Homepage Journal
    From public record:

    Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)

    Doesn't look strange to me, everything IDs as Mozila. We'll also note the default Konqueror UA is:

    Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/2.1.1; X11)

    FFR
  • by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @04:17PM (#5035079)
    The blurb says it uses quartz Extreme. This means its grpahics accelerated. The regular Xfree-86 seems to lack graphics acceleration. that's a big deal.

    also I note that contrary to the story here, the imove, itunes apps are not going to be free. Or atleast they are not being offered for free on apples web site.
  • Re:Safari (Score:4, Informative)

    by ictatha ( 201773 ) <mikeNO@SPAMnepsystems.com> on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @04:22PM (#5035108)
    2. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to tell you what a link is when you hover over it (e.g. like IE does down the bottom). There must be *some* way of fitting that into the wonderfully clean interface.

    Look on the "View" menu, check "Status Bar", done.

  • Re:Safari rocks! (Score:3, Informative)

    by artemis67 ( 93453 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @04:31PM (#5035161)
    It has popup blocking, but not tabs. That's surprising, because the tabbed browsing feature is more useful in OS X than in any other OS supported by Mozilla because of OS X's lack of a true taskbar.

    Also missing is image management to block banner ads. Understandable, though, that a commercial product by a major tech vendor wouldn't include that feature. They don't want to cleanse the internet of all advertising.

    And there's no messagebar at the bottom of the window, so when you mouse over a link, you can't see where it leads to without clicking on it. Very annoying.

    All-in-all, not bad for a first beta release, though aside from some cool boomark management features, is missing a lot of features that the rest of us take for granted. Apple has their work cut out for them if they are serious about making this browser a contender.

    However, it begs the question of why Apple is spending money on Safari in the first place. It's not like Internet Explorer is the only browser for the Mac; there's a bunch of great stuff out there like OmniWeb, Mozilla, Netscape, Chimera, iCab, Opera, and who knows what else.

    Is the long-range plan to integrate Safari as tightly with OS X as IE is with Windows? They've got a LONG long road to cover before THAT happens.

    Or maybe it's not that grand; maybe Jobs just wants a browser that has tight integration with the the iApps.

    Time will tell.
  • by Halo1 ( 136547 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @04:34PM (#5035180)
    Instead of upgrading the iBook line they introduce a new machine which features a processor that, according to my damaged memory, was introduced at least a year ago for $500 more than the iBook it should have gone in to.


    You should try using your damaged memory a little more, then you'd notice that the price of the iBooks has dropped by $100-$200!

    Also, pay no mind to the fact that the iBook they'd like you to buy has a graphics card that doesn't take advantage of the finder-level hardware graphics acceleration they built into sytem 10.2

    There is no "finder-level hardware graphics acceleration". You're probably thinking about Quartz Extreme, which is window compositing-level hardware graphics acceleration. And guess what: the Radeon 7500 (either with 16MB or 32MB) in the iBooks supports the required features just fine.
  • Re:Not bad (Score:5, Informative)

    by kitzilla ( 266382 ) <paperfrog@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @04:34PM (#5035181) Homepage Journal
    Actually, MacRumors.com was quite close last night. They had the 12" and 17" (good Lord!) Powerbooks; the iApp bundle at the correct price; Apple's amazing new Airport; the new Firewire; and the browser. Nobody saw the presentation software coming, but it was the least of Jobs' announcements. Nobody predicted an Apple-branded X11 port.

    No video iPods, no all-in-one networking appliance (though the new Airport is certainly a step forward).
  • by Rob Kaper ( 5960 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @04:39PM (#5035204) Homepage
    Here's why [kde.org].

    Quote:
    "When we were evaluating technologies over a year
    ago, KHTML and KJS stood out. Not only were they the basis of an
    excellent modern and standards compliant web browser, they were also
    less than 140,000 lines of code. The size of your code and ease of
    development within that code made it a better choice for us than other
    open source projects. Your clean design was also a plus."
  • by King Babar ( 19862 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @04:52PM (#5035248) Homepage
    This choice sounds utterly insane to me. With the greatest respect, khtml is nowhere near as good as Gecko in terms of it standards support or behaviour or stability especially when dealing with some of the crap sites out there in the world. Run it through a few random sites involving nested tables, CSS or frames and it quickly screws up rendering.

    Well, I'd noticed it seemed to be doing okay on most CSS pages I'd tried, so I was *going* to say, "nyah, nyah", but then I figured I go to the ever-useful CSS1 test suite pages. [w3.org]

    Oops...on the very first test, it fails to display even the test page correctly and the dialog tells me it's choking on the illegal mimetype text/html. Very ungood.

    Well, it's beta, and Apple has never seen a wheel it didn't want to re-invent at some point...

  • by mcamen ( 21939 ) <mcamen.web@de> on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @04:53PM (#5035252) Homepage
    Quoted from an email of Don Melton (Apple) to Dirk Müller (KDE) (http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=1041970923186 39&w=2)

    "The number one goal for developing Safari was to create the fastest web browser on Mac OS X. When we were evaluating technologies over a year ago, KHTML and KJS stood out. Not only were they the basis of an excellent modern and standards compliant web browser, they were also less than 140,000 lines of code. The size of your code and ease of development within that code made it a better choice for us than other open source projects. Your clean design was also a plus. And the small size of your code is a significant reason for our winning startup performance as you can see reflected in the data at http://www.apple.com/safari/ ."
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @05:08PM (#5035298)
    In addition to what others have mentioned, an iBook won't let you connect a second display, not just mirroed, at up to 2048x1536, like the 12" PB.
  • Re:Safari (Score:5, Informative)

    by daeley ( 126313 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @05:10PM (#5035307) Homepage
    Erm, it does have type ahead -- I just used that feature. And the 'throbbing' is done in the background of the location bar -- watch for the blue progress bar, which you might miss since it's so bloody fast. :)
  • by StephenLegge ( 558177 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @05:26PM (#5035380)
    It seems to be missing some sort of activity indicator (like the flashing N in netscape or the flashing lizard or the flashing E. This is a bit annoying since you dont know if you should click again or not when a link is sluggish


    Actually, the address bar seems to act as an activity indicator. The text in the address bar gets blocked (as though selected) from left to right like a progress bar as the page loads. The progress starts with "http://" section turning blue (progress can stall here for some time, however.


    Using the app's compass icon and spinning the needles around might be a appropriate image, though.

  • by bnenning ( 58349 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @05:31PM (#5035407)
    Abandoning all common sense, I just installed Apple's X11 over the top of fink. Both want to dump stuff in /usr/X11R6, but since fink uses /sw for almost everything else I figured it would be ok, which it is so far. Upon firing up X11.app, it tried to read my .xinitrc file, which I have set up in fink to start Gnome with the sawfish window manager. It came up fine, but I wanted to use Apple's window manager that's integrated with the Dock, so I commented out my .xinitrc and restarted X11. This gave me an xterm window with no WM, oops. Fortunately I found "quartz-wm" installed in /usr/X11R6/bin and running that gave me a window manager with Aqua titlebars and buttons, and it even minimizes to the dock exactly like native OS X apps. I then renamed ~/.xinitrc so it wouldn't be found at all, and now when I start X11.app I get an xterm with quartz-wm already running, which is what I want. I've only tried a couple of X (er, X11) apps from my fink installation, but so far they've all worked flawlessly.
  • KHTML changelog (Score:2, Informative)

    by Looke ( 260398 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @05:32PM (#5035408)

    A log of the changes Apple has made to KHTML was just posted to a KDE mailing list: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=10419691231632 6&w=2 [kde.org]

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @05:36PM (#5035419)
    http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=10419691231632 6&w=2

    No joke, the list is HUGE.. Good job apple!
  • by hysterion ( 231229 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @05:38PM (#5035426) Homepage
    ----- Forwarded message from Don Melton @apple.com ----- [kde.org]
    From: Don Melton @apple.com
    Subject: Greetings from the Safari team at Apple Computer
    Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:31:10 -0800

    Hi,

    I'm the engineering manager of Safari, Apple Computer's new web browser built upon KHTML and KJS. I'm sending you this email to thank you for
    making such a great open source project and introduce myself and my development team. I also wish to explain why and how we've used your
    excellent technology. It's important that you know we're committed to open source and contributing our changes, now and in the future, back to you, the original developers. Hopefully this will begin a dialogue among ourselves for the benefit of both of our projects.

    I've "cc"-ed my team on this email so you know their names and contact information. Perhaps you already recognize some of those names. Back
    in '98 I was one of the people who took Mozilla open source. David Hyatt is not only the originator of the Chimera web browser project but
    also the inventor of XBL. Darin Adler is the former lead of the Nautilus file manager. Darin, Maciej Stachowiak, John Sullivan, Ken Kocienda, and I are all Eazel veterans.

    The number one goal for developing Safari was to create the fastest web browser on Mac OS X. When we were evaluating technologies over a year
    ago, KHTML and KJS stood out. Not only were they the basis of an excellent modern and standards compliant web browser, they were also less than 140,000 lines of code. The size of your code and ease of development within that code made it a better choice for us than other
    open source projects. Your clean design was also a plus. And the small size of your code is a significant reason for our winning startup
    performance as you can see reflected in the data at http://www.apple.com/safari/ .

    How did we do it? As you know, KJS is very portable and independent. The Sherlock team is already using it on Mac OS X in the framework my
    team prepared called JavaScriptCore. But because KHTML requires other components from KDE and Qt, we wrote our own adapter library called KWQ
    (and pronounced "quack") that replaces these other components. KHTML and KWQ have been encapsulated in a framework called WebCore. We've also made significant enhancements, bug fixes, and performance improvements to KHTML and KJS.

    Both WebCore and JavaScriptCore, which account for a little over half the code in Safari, are being released as open source today. They should be available at http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/webcore / very soon. Also, we'll be sending you another email soon which details our changes and
    additions to KHTML and KJS. I hope the detailed list in that email will help you understand what we've done a little better. We'd also
    like to send this information to the appropriate KDE mailing list. Please advise us on which one to use.

    We look forward to your comments. We'd also like to speak to you and we'd be happy to set up a conference call at our expense for this purpose.

    Thank you again for making KHTML and KJS.

    Please forward this email to any contributor whom I may have missed.

    --
    Don Melton
    Safari Engineering Manager
    Apple Computer
    ----- Forwarded message from Dirk Mueller @kde.org ----- [kde.org]
    From: Dirk Mueller @kde.org
    Subject: Re: Greetings from the Safari team at Apple Computer
    To: Don Melton @apple.com
    [......]
    Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:18:19 +0100

    On Die, 07 Jan 2003, Don Melton wrote:

    > I'm the engineering manager of Safari, Apple Computer's new web browser
    > built upon KHTML and KJS. I'm sending you this email to thank you for
    > making such a great open source project and introduce myself and my
    > development team. I also wish to explain why and how we've used your
    > excellent technology. It's important that you know we're committed to
    > open source and contributing our changes, now and in the future, back
    > to you, the original developers. Hopefully this will begin a dialogue
    > among ourselves for the benefit of both of our projects.

    I hope so too. I'm deeply impressed by your detailed changelog and by
    the changes. A few of the changes have already happened in "our" developing
    version and many of them were on our TODOs. For example just about this
    weekend I was working on improving the kjs garbage collector and now I read
    that you apparently already fixed the issues I had with it. Seems to me like
    a huge christmas gift. Thank you. Thanks a lot.

    Especially I'd like to hope that we could set up a mailing list where we
    could exchange ideas, patches and bug reports. Also a common testsuite for
    regressions would be nice and probably help us a lot in developing KHTML and
    KJS further. Ideally the plan should be, and I hope you agree, to use a
    common codebase for the backend.

    > Please forward this email to any contributor whom I may have missed.

    We've forwarded it to kfm-devel @kde.org.
  • by ChrisDolan ( 24101 ) <chris+slashdot AT chrisdolan DOT net> on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @05:42PM (#5035455) Homepage
    Safari apparently does not support self-signed certs. Mozilla and IE show a dialog offering to use or reject the cert, but Safari just bails. Try https://www.codefuries.com/ [codefuries.com]

    I guess this must be Apple's fault, not KHTML's. I known Konq works on the above url.
  • by ChrisDolan ( 24101 ) <chris+slashdot AT chrisdolan DOT net> on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @05:50PM (#5035481) Homepage
    If you use X11 under Fink, you can do this:

    dpkg -r --force-depends xfree86-base
    dpkg -r --force-depends xfree86-base-shlibs
    [install the SDK from apple - http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ ]
    [install the user install from apple - http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/download/ ]
    fink install system-xfree86

    (courtesy of Ben Hines on the fink-devel list)

    You may have to manually edit your $HOME/.xinitrc file to add the "exec quartz-wm" line in place of any other "exec" lines.

    Other than that, it works great for me. The new Quartz WM is good.
  • Re:Safari (Score:5, Informative)

    by entrox ( 266621 ) <slashdot@@@entrox...org> on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @05:57PM (#5035521) Homepage
    I'm curious how they're boasting such impressive page load speeds compared to the other browsers

    Oh that's easy, considering the amount of code involved. You see, one of the main arguments in favour of KHTML was its small size - like 140.000 lines of code. I'm guessing, but that's probably a fifth of the Gecko codebase. Read it up in this mail [kde.org] to the kfm-devel mailing list.
  • by scrod ( 136965 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @06:00PM (#5035541) Homepage
    You can also turn on a status bar from the View menu (or command - \ ).
  • Re:Safari (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @06:33PM (#5035770)

    Sorry, but I can't agree with you. Maybe give up your 386 if Mozilla loads too slow???

    How exactly are tabs "poorly implemented?" I agree with the other poster -- you either didn't take any time to learn the interface or you couldn't figure it out. Too bad you didn't tell us your learned opinion as to how they could be "better implemented."

    I'm not sure what's wrong with the Mozilla engine. I'm no expert but it sure works well enough for me.

    On my cable modem, I have consistently noted that pages appear and load faster in both Mozilla and in Phoenix (the 0.5 beta, mind you), than in IE6. Maybe it's 'cuz these two browsers let you kill pop-ups, and IE6 chokes for 4-5 seconds in my experience (both at work and at home) whenever a pop-up is "coming" (I can always tell when one is about to come, IE just sticks).

    To open a new tab, you can also (1) right-click on the link and say Open in New Tab, (2) always show the Tab bar at the top, then click the New Tab icon. You could also (3) add the New Tab button to the main toolbar.

    To open pages in the background, go to Options and tell it to do so. Geez. The first or second thing I do with ANY software I get is to look at the options / preferences screen, you can learn a lot about software that way and what it's capable of.

    Take some time, "chinakow", to learn about something before trashing it (maybe work on your grammar too, ever hear about a run-on sentence?)
  • by rufo ( 126104 ) <`rufo' `at' `rufosanchez.com'> on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @06:35PM (#5035778)
    That may be (I have no idea personally), but the reason Steve said in his keynote was that iDVD was too big (which it is - according to the Finder, iDVD 2.1 weighs in at 814.6 megabytes.)
  • by shendart ( 596140 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @07:05PM (#5035865)
    As with all applications written using Interface Builder and .nib files, you can change this as you see fit. If you installed the Apple Developer Tools (available freely on their website), you can open Browser.nib under your localized folder in the Safari App (/Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Resources/Engli sh.lproj/Browser.nib, most likely). From there, simply uncheck the Textured Window attribute on the main window. Tabless Browsing is a definite hindrance, though...
  • by WatertonMan ( 550706 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @08:15PM (#5036163)
    QT already DOES hook into Carbon. It has for quite some time. That's probably what made the port as easy as it was. Further by using the Konquerer stuff rather than the Gecko stuff they don't run into all those problems with text fields. Those have been the bane of Chimera. So it does make sense.

    In regards to the CSS problems - this is a beta. I suspect that as time goes on it will support much more CSS.

  • by WittCycleGuy ( 618506 ) <jseegert@bluemarble.COUGARnet minus cat> on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @08:15PM (#5036164)
    That would work...except Photoshop 7 for os X and some of the other software you metioned is specifically optimized for the native OS. If you run it through Virutal PC you're not going to get the benefits of these amazing applications.
  • Re:Open Source (Score:2, Informative)

    by NSObject ( 250170 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @08:18PM (#5036185)
    What was said is that Keynote's file format is open (and XML based) to encourage third party tie ins with databases and the like.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @08:35PM (#5036338)
    that's right, folks. you have to have an ssl certificate that's been signed by a trusted authority. it doesn't allow the user to accept custom certificates.

    so much for using safari to access my webmail. :-(
  • by dspisak ( 257340 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @08:36PM (#5036352)
    This is wrong

    All of the iLife iApps upgrades *except* iDVD are available for download for free. Right now!

    The reason iDVD is not available for download is because it takes multi hundreds of megabytes thanks to its themes.

    Apple decided to charge $50 for all 4 iLife apps so people without a broadband connection could get all the apps on a nice shiny CD. You also can now get iDVD even if you don't have an Apple that comes with a Superdive, something which was not possible before.
  • by Gorimek ( 61128 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @08:46PM (#5036419) Homepage
    iMovie, iTunes and iPhoto will continue to be free, they'll be ready for download on Jan 25.

    iDVD will still be sold separately, "since it's too big to download". And they put the three other apps on the disk as well for those who don't want to mess around with downloads.

    That's fine, except that the disk version will cost a whooping $49, which is at least $45 over cost. So Apple is slightly sneaky there, but no big.
  • by stoney27 ( 36372 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @11:16PM (#5037417) Homepage
    I am a little confused where do you get the information that iMove, iPhoto and itunes, which is already out and free. Are not going to be free. I see right http://www.apple.com/iphoto on Apple's web site that they are going to be free down loads. Only iDVD is not going to be a free down load, which it never has so no big deal.

    -Scott
  • by hysterion ( 231229 ) on Tuesday January 07, 2003 @11:44PM (#5037563) Homepage
    He just posted a few comments. [mozillazine.org]
  • by Matty_ ( 74368 ) on Wednesday January 08, 2003 @02:05AM (#5038141)
    If you read the e-mail that the project manage with Apple sent to the KHTML developers, you'll see that they started this project a year ago. Chimera wasn't around then -- so how could they have chosen it? Mozilla hadn't even reached 1.0 at that point, either.
  • by ruiner13 ( 527499 ) on Wednesday January 08, 2003 @03:35AM (#5038406) Homepage
    I've been playing with Safari, and I just found out that when you connect to an FTP site through it, it uses the built-in finder FTP support and mounts the site on the Desktop. pretty slick if you ask me! If this has been posted already, I'm sorry, I didn't feel like reading through all 800+ previous posts.
  • by wfolta ( 603698 ) on Wednesday January 08, 2003 @03:47AM (#5038446)
    They announced it today evidently, even lower under the radar than the Apple X11 release: http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/index.html I'm downloading it now at a pitifully slow 12KB.sec.
  • Re:Safari like IE? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Melantha_Bacchae ( 232402 ) on Wednesday January 08, 2003 @04:07AM (#5038500)
    dfj225 wrote:

    > Hummm...everyone on earth complained about IE being
    > fully integrated into Windows, but when Apple gets the
    > bright idea to do it with their next browser, people seem
    > to think its a good idea.

    Safari is integrated into OS X the same way any well written Mac program is.

    Otherwise, Safari is just a file. A special file called a package, but from the user's point of view, just a file. Try this little exercise:

    Drag the Safari application to the Trash. Now double-click on the Trash, and drag Safari back out of the Trash window. Repeat as many times as necessary.

    Now try this on Windows. Well, actually, you can't. But you can hide it on Windows XP (if you haven't already hidden five of your special applications). This is thanks to a settlement in an antitrust case that dragged on for years. In order to get this wonderful feature (of hiding, not uninstalling, the apps you didn't want in the first place), you have to download Service Pack 1 (it's huge), and agree that Microsoft can access all your data and install anything it wants to on your computer. Great, now you don't have to look at the IE icon any more!

    If that does not make the difference obvious, consider that Microsoft stated in a court of law that their operating system would cease to function if the browser were uninstalled. Did OS X cease to function when you dragged the Safari icon to the Trash?

    The Microsoft case also involved special antitrust rules that only apply to mean bullies who have a monopoly and abuse it. These rules don't apply to Apple. Even if they did, Apple makes it easy for you to chuck their browser and set up another one of your choosing as the default.

    Thanks to Apple's little present to the KHTML/Konqueror team, Konqueror and derivatives will share the speediness and improvements Safari made to the core engine. This will benefit Linux (and any other OS Konqueror runs on).

    Do you really see Microsoft doing anything that would help Linux, especially if it involved the GPL?

    "Your way of thinking is completely different from mine!"
    Shinoda, "Godzilla 2000 Millennium" (Japanese version)
  • by MrMickS ( 568778 ) on Wednesday January 08, 2003 @04:34AM (#5038565) Homepage Journal
    There doesn't seem to be any certificate authority management either :(

    Oh well, bug report sent to Apple. There needs to be a way to override this.
  • by alastairm ( 99768 ) on Wednesday January 08, 2003 @07:04AM (#5038838)
    God, how many times will we have this same discussion. Apple cannot release iDVD free because they need to pay royalties to the DVD consortium. If you want to moan, go and moan to the DVD rights' holders. You won't get far, but at least it would stop this continual nonsense.
  • by Coretti ( 17558 ) on Wednesday January 08, 2003 @10:14AM (#5039473) Homepage
    The disadvantages of Safari over Chimera: no tabs; don't like the bookmarks UI much, not as configurable, and I like having a status bar.

    Have you looked under the View menu? Or hit Command-\ ?

    The status bar is there, it's just hidden at first.
  • by King Babar ( 19862 ) on Wednesday January 08, 2003 @12:55PM (#5040512) Homepage
    I took a look at the source to that test page. Its not the CSS that is messing it up, its the tag that they are using to load the test html.

    ...

    Seems a strange way of loading what is essentially a floating frame. If you manually change the address of the current page to the page shown in the data attribute "http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS1/current/tes t11.htm", it renders fine.

    I didn't think it was the CSS per se (since it was whining about mime types), but I didn't see how this html could be that objectionable compared to some you see on, well, slashdot. I just checked at w3c.org, and OBJECT is certainly an element that should be handled correctly under HTML 4.01. As far as doing this rather than a frame, I'll confess that I didn't know that OBJECT could be so handy; frames stink in my opinion, and this is a cute (and presumably blessed) device for exactly this kind of thing.

    Given that konq apparently renders this correctly, I'm presuming this was a bug in khtml that got fixed after Apple secretly started banging on the code, so it should be easy to fix.

    Thanks again for the nice detective work.

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