Mac OS X to Get Journaling FS

overunderunderdone writes "According to eWeek, Apple Computer is planning to introduce a new journaling file system code-named 'Elvis' with the 10.2.2 release. Supposedly it will run on top of HFS+ and will be turned off by default. Though it will cost you 10% to 15% performance penalty the article says it is more extensive than NTFS and is on par with BeOS's 64-bit journaling file system. Not surprising since it is being developed by the same person - Dominic Giampaolo." I've been super impressed by OS X having used it as my primary laptop for the last couple weeks. It really is a great unix box- and this is one of the important missing puzzle pieces.

You can give me a journaling FS

[Faggot]

...when you pry HFS+ from my cold, dead hands.

No, wait. Give me that.

so when you unmount...

[Hooya]

do you get an "Elvis has left the building" message?

But will it Blog?

[Gorm the DBA]

yeah, yeah, yeah...Journaling is sooo 1990's.

A new and cool feature would be a file system that maintained a Weblog...

Today I stored my user's tax return...what a piece of crap...he actually expects the IRS to believe that he donated 40,000 to the MDA?...I think I'll just switch a few numbers around and drop a hint to the audit hotline

Yeah, that could be good...where's the SourceForge project for this?

System Error

[jbarket]

Disk Read Failure: The King is dead.

Re:The more I read/hear...

[Anonymous Coward]

i've got some maXen boXen i'll trade for your VAXen if you fuXor my daXund.

Re:Can this be rolled back into the BSDs?

[90XDoubleSide]

This will probably have its source released as part of Darwin (simply because it's a low-level function; I don't have any news about this), but it will also probably only work on HFS+ filesystems, so someone else would still have to adapt it to other filesystems to add it to the other BSDs.

Re:Just another reason...

[dubiousmike]

People, people. I would think as Mac fans we wouldn't want to tout the Switch campaign. Do any of us here really think that it is meant to target any of us, or just the lowest common denominator that happens to have extra money to spend on a system?

Apple commercial: "I wanted to do video editing and no one could help me to do it on a PC". What a fucking moron. If you can't use a search engine, what makes you think you could edit video? For God's sake, you can buy a PC with a firewire card and some cheap editing software and BAM! you can bring your video right in.

I understand that OS X is great for us geeks, but pulease stop bringing up the commercial that HAS to be targeted at AOL users and other internet bottom feeders.

Disclaimer: i DO like macs.

I Switched..

[grub]

.. from stinky Mac OS 10.2.2 and its 10-15% slower journaling file system to WindowsXP.
[insert stock photo of hot chick here]
I'm a 32 year old marketing director and demand the ultimate in performance without sacrificing robustness and file system safety. Only Microsoft can bring you the features you need with the performance required for your very important day-to-day work

Re:Apple == Microsoft

[Silverhammer]

Blockquoth the poster:

for all the users crying OSX rulez, dont forget the Freedom in GNU/Linux has a purpose - to avoid being owned by MS or Apple or Sun or many others who would enslave your computing lives.

When Apple has retaken 95% of the market and starts using its 100 MWatt master Airport transmitters to force-download 3 GB trailers for 'Toy Story 5' onto my desktop, then I'll worry...

Re:Existing Journaling Systems?

[Anonymous Coward]

And that is why on *BSD will never be deployed in the enterprise.

Very astute. It was Windows 98's excellent FAT32 file system that led to its adoption at this and so many other enterprises.

Just what I need...

[SirOgre]

Another feature clueless graphic designers will insist they need and will call me asking how to use

Re:10-15%

[Anonymous Coward]

I remember when, instead of journaling filesystems, we just used OSes that didn't crash. Anyone remember OS/2?

Re:10 - 15% ?!

[goon america]

Too bad it reverse-correlates with the codenames.

10.0 : Cheetah (fastest animal on earth)
10.1 : Puma
10.2 : Jaguar
10.3 : Panther (slowest big cat?)

Re:Apple == Microsoft

[Gizzmonic]

America can, should, must, and will install Linux to protect our freedom. We must destroy the terrorism that is Mac OS X.

Onward, GNU soldiers! We cry freedom from coherent, mature GUIs! Freedom from packaging systems that work! Freedom from mature, accountable developers!

And if you consider for one moment "switching" to one of those evil, repugnant, proprietary systems, just Think of the Children, and pray that Stallman will give you strength in your time of weakness. Now we crush the infidels!

dangit, ...

[Anonymous Coward]

another good reason to buy a mac. what are you people trying to do, make me go into debt!!!???

Re:so when you unmount...

[cygnus]

fsck failed. "I'm all shook up."

Answer unclear, ask again.

[El_Smack]

Do I see an Apple "switcher" ad featuring CmdrTaco in the near future?

Re:Just another reason...

[toupsie]

I understand that OS X is great for us geeks, but pulease stop bringing up the commercial that HAS to be targeted at AOL users and other internet bottom feeders.

And Slashdotters are top of the food chain? :) Actually there are several sysadmins that are apart of the Switch campaign. Not all of them are teenaged girls [ellenfeiss.net] with their brains nuked out on Nyquil [apple.com].

Disclaimer: i DO like macs.

Sure you do. Sure you do. If you really liked Macs, you would never, ever diss the marketing department built by Steve Jobs. Admit it! You are just a paid consultant from the Microsoft Marketing department astroturfing Slashdot. [slashdot.org] So which stock photo do you use? :P

Oh nos! CmdrTaco a SWITCHER!?

[2nd Post!]

A week with a Mac laptop, running OS X?

We are all doomed! Once you go Mac, you never go back!

Next he'll be dressing up in black, sporting a goatee, and drinking pretentious coffee drinks...

Like him [penny-arcade.com]!

Re:Existing Journaling Systems?

[falzer]

Soft-Updates

Unix using a feature with unabbreviated, capitalized words? What is the world coming to?

ElvisFS?

[Anonvmous Coward]

When the word Elvis is used, the words bloat, dead, and clusters (like peanut clusters) come to mind. I think marketing could have picked a better name for the FS.

Re:10-15%

[marhar]

Most people (as in AOL Grandmas)

I think this will also benefit the AOL Grandma crowd. Can you imagine their reaction upon booting up with a dirty partition and having to go into single-user mode and repair a filesystem?

Re:I wanna see CmdrTaco on TV

[Anonymous Coward]

"I was compiling this SMB client ... on the PC... and it was like BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEP. And then... like... half of my code was gone. And I was like... nnngh? It devoured... my code. It was really good code. And then I had to write it again and I had to do it fast so it wasn't as good. It's kind of... .... a bummer. I'm Rob Malda and I crash websites by posting them to Slashdot."

tee hee

Re:Can this be rolled back into the BSDs?

[cant_get_a_good_nick]

Hmm, Nazi-esque? I can see the conversation now..

Nazi SYS5 init architect:

Mein Furher! Ve needen maken startup of system harrrrrder to administrrrrate. Ist too eazy now. Even girly non-blue eyed non-Aryans can administrate serrrrvers now.

SVR4 Nazi Furher:

Ja wohl!!! How can we skrrrrrrew de administrrrrators?

Nazi SYS5 init architect:

split ze starrrrtup scripts, makingkt dem more komplicated.

Umm, I don't think that happened. I find SVR4 style easier. Every service in it's own seperate file. Ever try to start a system server on BSD by hand? It's harder than you think. In SV$ land, I can take any server down by running a kill script and restart it by running its startup script. hell, even FreeBSD has a SVR4 style init directory (granted, only for a single run level now). And if it's all that hard, just make /etc/rc3.d/S99local and run your stuff form there. RedHat (and probably most other Linuxes) have runlevel editors that make administration pretty easy.

Hmm, Berkeleyness of Berkeley software, who knew?

FreeBSD (maybe all {Free,Net,Open}BSDs) uses SoftUpdates, which in some ways is better than journalling [cmu.edu], depending on what you want.

Re:Whoops! I thought it said on by default.

[Cadre]

That being said I run OS 9.2.2 on it and it's faster than hell (10.2 was creeper slow)

Yup, and if OS 9.2.2 ever gets too fast for you, just remember to hold down the mouse button and it will stop and let you catch up.

Re:System Error

[sharkey]

Apple Update Advisory: "Buffet Overflow Condition Found In Elvis Filesystem"

Re:DG did some _astounding_ work on BFS

[ActiveSX]

HFS++? Personally, I'm looking forward to HFS#

Re:Existing Journaling Systems?

[wirelessbuzzers]

I think su was already taken :-)

Re:About that performance hit ...

[brarrr]

Don't worry, I partitioned the drive on my pbook so I won't get the speed hit.