Amazon Quietly Yanks Discount for Mac OS X 10.2 102
WCityMike writes "Amazon has quietly revoked the $50 rebate for Mac OS X 10.2 it was supposedly offering through September 3. The rebate form was updated to reflect this a few hours later. While theories as to why abound (including supposed involvement from Apple), some have reasonably pointed out that Amazon may not have expected as voluminous a response as they got, making the rebate a potentially major cash loss had it continued at that volume. People who already placed their orders should probably contact Amazon, while the rest of us can simply continue hoping Apple will offer its own 'rebate'." I think maybe it was a mistake; the rebate form I saw originally never had Mac OS X 10.2 on it.
Oops!! (Score:2)
It's okay if it was a mistake and they were forced to take it down.
Now it's time for everybody to make friends with a college student to get the Apple-Student-$50 discount.
they said they will..... (Score:2)
from how they are acting and that one copy of the wonky rebate form i wonder if it was an error. i can see a huge discount coming on remaining copies of 10.1.3, but who the hell would want to buy it? it's not like 9.2 where some machines won't run OS X. if your machine runs OS X then i can't see why it won't run 10.2 even better (faster too).
Amazon has acknowledged errors in the past too. they honor the completed orders, but from then on scrap the deal.
Hint Apple... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Hint Apple... (Score:1)
Re:Hint Apple... (Score:1)
Re:Hint Apple... (Score:2)
That being said I think it would be a fairly good idea for them to offer all versions of the OS for free. I can see it being a HUGE selling point when you tell someone that if you buy this computer you will always get the latest OS on it. Sure they will lose all their OS X sales revenues but they will sell more hardware which is the bulk of their revenue and will get great PR. Can you imagine how happy most windows users would be if their computer always had the latest and greate... nevermind
the rebate was there (Score:5, Informative)
"Customer response exceeded our wildest expectations so we're not continuing the rebate at this time," Ling Hong, an Amazon.com spokesperson told MacMinute. "But obviously all the pre-orders that we received during the time that the rebate offer was posted on our site will be honored." Hong said all orders placed up until 19:00 PT yesterday will be eligible.
Re:the rebate was there (Score:3, Insightful)
Rule number one of marketing: let the suppliers do the rebates, unless you have a ton of stock that you NEED to get rid of, but don't want to just mark down. The only reason to ever sell for less than you buy at is amortization, depreciation, or cutting your losses. Selling pre-orders at less than cost is the mentality behind most dot-com businesses - bleed red ink, but make up for it in added services.
Dumb dumb.
--Dan
gold box anyone? (Score:1)
i loved the excitement of checking that gold box once a day. (sure i never bought anything from it, but still...)
anyone know any hacks to get the gold box back?
Re:gold box anyone? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:gold box anyone? (Score:1)
-Alex
Re:gold box anyone? (Score:2)
Re:gold box anyone? (Score:2)
Re:gold box anyone? (Score:2)
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:4, Interesting)
10.1.1
10.1.2
10.1.3
10.1.4
10.1.5
all free
plus software update... all free
10.2 you pay cos there's new features.
microsoft have windowsupdate same as software update. that's it. all versions between updates are chargeable.
arguably service packs are free versions, but 95 - 98 - 98 second edition - ME - XP... all cost money.
and more than OS-X upgrades too..
BeOS also charged. they only released a Personal Edition of BeOS when they got to version 5 to try and promote usage..
guess what? they went under..
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:2)
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:1)
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:2)
I agree. Now should someone who paid full price for 10.0 - 10.1.5 have to pay full price for 10.2?
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:1)
I agree. Now should someone who paid full price for 10.0 - 10.1.5 have to pay full price for 10.2?
I wouldn't structure it that way. I'd make OS X say $200, OS X 10.1 $30, OS X 10.2 $100, and anything in between free. Of course, the only difference between that and what Apple is doing is that they charged a lot less for OS X (of course, one could say that was a special promotional pricing to drive early adoption), somewhat more for 10.2, and somewhat less for 10.1.
I didn't pay for 10.1; I will (grudgingly) pay for 10.2.
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:2)
But on the other hand, Apple has to make money. Second only to making money at all is the issue of maintaining margin. If Apple's net margin last quarter was 30% and this quarter it's 20%, Apple's stock will lose value even if their gross revenues increase. In other words, in order to stay healthy as a company, Apple needs to keep their revenues roughly in balance with their expenses.
Apple gave 10.1 away for free to any customer who could or would walk into an Apple store and pick up a CD. That was an amazing show of good will. It may have also cost Apple a fortune. I don't know, but I'm guessing it wasn't cheap.
Now they need people to pay for things they were expecting to get for free, like
Right now, if I were (say) Sun, I'd be thinking seriously about buying Apple. I have no idea if Sun has that kind of money, but I'm just saying I'd be thinking about it. Sun's server business is top-notch, but their desktop business is waning. Apple's desktop business kicks ass, and it's getting stronger every day. Apple's potential earnings for the next few years are a lot more than the company is currently worth on paper.
If Apple had a bad quarter or two, their stock price would slip and the sharks would start tasting blood in the water.
So they're keeping their gross margins high-- or trying to, anyway-- at the cost of some customer satisfaction. Apple has repeatedly been assessed in the market as having brand loyalty out the ears, so I'd imagine that few customers, if any, are going to switch to Dell or whatever just because Apple's charging $129 for Jaguar.
Net result: Apple's sales stay pretty much constant, every Mac owner from here to Tupelo, Mississippi buys a retail copy of Jaguar, and Apple keeps their net margins up thanks to the extra revenue. Apple's stock stays strong, and they get to keep doing what they're doing.
I'm no business or financial whiz; I may have some or all of my facts wrong. But if you assume that I'm at least mostly right, in the broad sense, then Apple's recent actions make all the sense in the world.
(Oh, speaking of sense, the whole "odd-number this, even-number that" thing is a dumb idea. Not quite as dumb as the idea that Linux 2.2 and 2.4 is okay to use but Linux 2.3 and 2.5 isn't, but that's a whole other ball of wax.)
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:2)
Though there was a widely known hack, weren't the 10.1 CDs meant to only function as upgrades? So you had to have purchased OS X for those "free" CDs to be useful.
I agree that everybody is starved for cash right now. That is one reason why I don't see Sun buying Apple. Can you imagine Steve giving up control again? I actually hear a lot of rumours about IBM buying Sun, but never from official sources.
Anyhow what percentage of Mac owners run Mac OS X. I recently saw that it was 20% and that the number was lower than Apple had hoped it would be. They need to keep that 20% happy for now so that they can evangelize the remaining 80%. If the 20% love OS X but are annoyed by the $129 price that will come through. If they were given a $40 discount as a show of appreciation for being forerunners they might be even more enthusiastic about the product.
I do agree that everybody wants to keep their numbers up. I also remember that Apple has billions in the bank. They can take a bad quarter or two.
What they really need to drive revenue is to come out with systems that are faster. They have really been stalled chip-wise. The "MHz Myth" campaign won't do much in a few months when Intel has a 3GHz P4 out. If Motorola isn't doing the job then maybe it is time for them to go with IBM.
The iMac is a great product for the home user, but all the companies buying Macs would love to see some more horsepower. As soon as all the apps people need are running on OS X companies are going to look at upgrading their workstations and wonder why Apple has stalled so badly speed wise. This is going to be a real opportunity for revenue that might be missed.
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:2)
Did you miss the part of my post where I talked about net margin versus gross revenue?
On the performance issue, I work with media production companies and media service providers. Post houses, service bureaus, studios, that kind of thing. They're very serious and very loyal Mac users, all. And you know what? They're not complaining about the speed of the workstations Apple is selling. They could, and you'd expect that they would in a heartbeat, but they're simply not. Instead, they want more and better OS X versions of their applications. Adobe has done well with Photoshop and After Effects for OS X, but they're not good enough yet. There are still too many inefficiencies and quirks. Of course, some of these are out of the vendors' hands; Apple has to fix them in the Carbon libraries directly. I wonder how much Jaguar has addressed these things?
My point is that Apple's doing the right thing. They're letting the hardware line grow gradually, so customers get a decent depreciation time on their investment. The Mac you buy today loses half its value in about twelve months. If Apple were to accelerate the pace of new system development, that time would dwindle to six months or even less. In PC-land, on the other hand, you're looking at about a 4 month cycle. That makes it really hard to justify going out and spending $4,000 on a new workstation, given that it's going to lose $2,000 in value before the leaves start to turn.
Buying a Mac is easier to justify, because I know (unless I buy right before a product cycle, say now) that the workstation I buy today will hold its value for 8 to 12 months, easy. This is a good thing, both for Apple and for customers.
Apple's doing it right. Accelerate development on the OS, and keep development of the hardware at a pace fast enough to satisfy actual customer demand, but no faster.
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:1)
Buying a Mac is easier to justify, because I know (unless I buy right before a product cycle, say now) that the workstation I buy today will hold its value for 8 to 12 months, easy. This is a good thing, both for Apple and for customers.
Agreed. I have a Dual 450 from fall 2000 (21 months?) and I'd say it's still worth the money. Granted, I've upgraded the RAM twice and added a second hard drive. (Wouldn't that lock out XP, or is that when I replace the vid card in a few months?) It still doesn't seem sluggish, and I don't see any issues with graphics and such, even without Quartz Extreme. The iBook from the same time should probably become a Powerbook G4, but them things is luxury laptops.
(Side note: a PC friend of mine now has nothing to complain about regarding OS X, now that the graphics won't "suck up the entire CPU". Not that I ever noticed it doing that.)
Hmmm, maybe the reason Apple has to charge for software nowadays is that their hardware lasts for so long.
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:2)
I really doubt that they are keeping hardware slow on purpose. What evidence is there of that? If you think that they are not releasing the fastest hardware they can while maintaining their pricepoints. I agree that Macs depreciate more slowly than PCs, but that is due to a number of factors other than the fact the they aren't coming out with new hardware as quickly as might be expected.
Every company is looking for performance breakthroughs, even if their current customers are happy with current performance. Obviously if you only have 5% market share there are some people out there that would buy your product if it had better performance.
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:2)
I've been in the market for just such a machine. I consider my Mac to be I/O bound, not CPU bound, but I really like the added interactivity you get from having that second CPU in there. I wish Apple would sell a new low-end dual-CPU system, say a dual 800 MHz or something, instead of just restricting the dual-CPU configuration to the fastest and most expensive CPUs.
That said, I'd offer you $700 for your G4 right now.
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:1)
That said, I'd offer you $700 for your G4 right now. ;-) It's nowhere near the purchase price, I'm sure, but after all your machine is nearly two years old. Getting 1/3 of the price you paid for it after two years would be pretty good, I think.
That's all well and good, but I don't have the $2000 to add to it to buy the system I'd want to replace it with. :-) Since I'm still not yet in the market to sell, I'd suggest you check out the Dual G4 listings [ebay.com] on eBay. Several of them are currently at about that price point. All told, I'd say that a fair offer for my system, sans monitor, of course.
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:2)
$200? Why did you pull that number out of your ass?
You think we don't ALL know that Jaguar is only $129, and widely going to be discounted?
Sheesh.
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:3, Insightful)
10.1.1..5 were fixes.
And what you think 10.2 is a whole new OS?
No, you dimwit! It is another fix.
I'll give them 20USD but that's all it is worth.
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:1)
I'll give you 2000->XP (which seems like a step backward to me anyway.) The thing of it is the only real advantage from 10.1 --> 10.2 is that Apple fixed Finder.
Sorry 130USD for fixing your own problems is bullshit.
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:1)
2 -- I don't care how Apple #s their effing OS. The fact of the matter is that I started with OS X in beta (like a lot of other people) and I have been through each successive piece since. Not all that much has changed. It has gotten somewhat faster.
Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. (Score:2)
Re:Apple Pudge Fackers (Score:4, Insightful)
Funny, I'd love to hang out with a bunch of gay apple users. Most of the gay people I know use macs-- they are far too picky about things being stupidly done and so they go for superiority.
what's the big deal? You think anyone is going to feel bad because you said apple users are gay? Sheesh.... it only tells us that you're insecure about the size of your weenie.
Who cares who's gay and who isn't... anyone worthy posting on slashdot doesn't.
Re:Apple Pudge Fackers (Score:1)
Oh, that one again? Yeah, that's been showing up in every Apple post. That's the reason I switched to a threshold of 1, actually.
Hmmmm..... switched..... Somebody spoof that.
www.aquafiles.com has the same $50 rebate! (Score:1, Informative)
I hope Apple is watching this... (Score:1, Flamebait)
a) Everybody wants Jaguar
b) Nobody wants to pay Apple's criminally high price
Apple should stop being buttheads. They really are pushing it lately. I only use Macs because Apple's not scummy like Microsoft. That was before. Now they're even MORE scummy than Microsoft. I'm almost hoping the DoJ takes a crack at Apple. What a bunch of crooks.
And I'm not trolling, I've just been constantly pissed off at Apple for about a month. They suck and I hate that I love them so much.
Zoober
Re:I hope Apple is watching this... (Score:1, Troll)
OS-X is cheaper than windows. pull your head out of your arse.
i'm sick of losers who insist on everything being free. once you fuckwads come out of school and realise there's a real world, you might be shocked.
Re:I hope Apple is watching this... (Score:2)
How is charging about half what microsoft charges for an update, and giving you a free one for every one you have to buy (apple only charges every other update) "criminal"? And worse than microsoft?
Hey, we remember getting system 4 and 5 and 6 for free, but Apple has a different business model now.
Think of it this way-- you're really paying for the iApps but getting the OS for free.
Ok?
I really don't see how buying an os upgrade every other year is such a big deal. And it costs %60 of what you'd be paying to microsoft (Really even less when you factor in all the hassle and add-on packs MS sells.)
Re:I hope Apple is watching this... (Score:1, Insightful)
> No, you PAY for the iApps,
Nope, usually free with new hardware, or free downloads. Occasionally Apple has charged for them, but even then it is less than $50.
> with
The money you pay for
> and you PAY for the OS.
Of course you pay for an OS that took millions of dollars to develope and millions more to upgrade. Especially with an OS that is far beyond Microsoft's next 2-5 years of vaporware. Then again, you pay for a lot of things of value, especially when they are in a store in a box with a price tag on it. That even goes for boxed sets of Linux OS and software.
> And you PAY for the hardware,
Um, yeah. Name one place that gives you free computers.
> more than you would for x86 hardware of greater
> value,
That is seriously debatable. X86 hardware is of far lesser quality. I don't care if they put a 15 gigahertz sticker on a PC, if my G4 800 megahertz iMac out runs it, it is still slower. Apple's industrial design is so much better that it is a comparison between fresh Apples and fresh cow pies.
The problem stems from one source: Microsoft. Every year, Microsoft sets the specs for the PC world. Aside from the color of the case (and warps in its shape), the individual makers have little to no leeway in innovating the hardware. Fortunately, Microsoft does have one source of innovation: copying Apple.
> and you PAY more for the same apps Windows users
> get.
Get what? Get for free?!? I would hardly dignify with the term "application" the crap that Microsoft bundles with Windows and forces down the user's throat.
If you mean apps the Windows user pays for, most applications are the same price regardless of platform.
There is one exception: Microsoft's Office X is more expensive than Office XP Standard. Feel free to complain about that one: to Microsoft.
> And you PAY shipping since you have to order
> them all online, since no stores carry mac
> stuff.
That is so not true. Here in St. Louis Missouri (in the midwest US) you can at least get boxed versions of OS X at CompUSA. We have a Mac Store, which if you can get a sales person who is actually interested in selling something, you can actually buy some stuff there. Next month we should be getting our own Apple Store (woo hoo!).
I've never had to resort to mail order for an Apple OS upgrade. In fact I plan to get Jaguar at a local store to thank them for carrying Mac stuff.
> And Apple's OS X performance is sluggish on most
> computers,
It might be a wee bit on my older Macs, but I don't really notice it on my G4 iMac.
> which is why people want Jaguar. They want what
> they were promised in the beginning. A useable
> system.
Sorry, but I've had a beautiful, usable system since March 24, 2001. I've had a great system since 10.1 came out. On August 24th, I plan to have the most advanced system on the planet. Where have you been?
> We NEED Quartz Extreme, and that is why 99% of
> people want Jaguar. Apple knows we all need it,
> so they took this chance to charge for it and
> rake in the green.
Quartz Extreme is a new technology that takes advantage of a new generation of video hardware. OS X.1.x is about as fast as the older generation of hardware can get. Apple is not ripping you off here. There is no conspiracy or deep exploitation plot going on here. Just a little something called "a new idea to make OS X better".
Besides I imagine more than 1% of those buying Jaguar will be buying it for all the other new and revolutionary technologies it contains.
> Amazon offered a discount, and found that
> EVERYONE who would buy Jaguar would buy it from
> them.
Not everyone. Certainly not me:
1) I've been burned too many times trying to preorder stuff from Amazon.
2) I'd rather pay full price and reward Apple for a good job.
3) I'd also rather buy local to thank my local retailers. If you don't support them, they go bye-bye.
> We're all pissed off at Apple's high pricing,
> but we need Quartz Extreme. Just that. Nothing
> else in Jaguar matters to me.
Well, that is your loss, as Jaguar has a lot to offer.
Have you checked to make sure your hardware even supports Quartz Extreme?
> God knows I'm gonna find a way to uninstall
> iChat the minute I get Jaguar loaded. I don't
> want a chat program, don't force one on me, or
> build it into my OS, slowing down my work apps!
Now you are confusing Apple with Microsoft. iApps are easy to uninstall, and the OS doesn't depend on their presence. I don't use iPhoto (don't need it with Photoshop 7) either.
> stealing Watson (thus crippling a third-party
> mac vendor), etc.
Sherlock 3 probably went into development the moment Sherlock 2 was released. It may have even been on the drawing board before Sherlock 2 came out. It is my understanding Watson was developed after Sherlock 2's release, copied Sherlock's GUI, derived from Sherlock's name, and used libraries and functionality Sherlock provided on the back end. If that is true, what we have here is an unfortunate coincedence of parallel development , with Watson dependant on Sherlock from the start. Since Watson's reason for existence is to fill in on Sherlock's feature set, their next version should be to see what Sherlock 3 left out, and provide the same sort of complement they provided for Sherlock 2.
> They're copying Microsoft's one true innovation
> - their legal department's BS tactics and total
> lack of respect for the user base.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see that. You are talking about a company that put their people to work overtime, on a weekend, to fix a bad bug in a *free* iApp. Then they offered to pay to have the damage the bug caused fixed. That is how it *should* be, how Microsoft *never* does it.
Yes, their legal department does make a pain of itself. But it frequently is because they have to defend their trademarks, or risk loosing their very valuable brand identity. Apple doesn't make the laws in the US, but it does have to follow them, whether it likes them or not.
Look at your OS X screen. Do you have files on your desktop? Does a menu appear when you click the Apple logo? Those things would be impossible if Apple didn't listen to its customers.
> And they are falling for the BS of putting the
> shareholders before the customers, which works
> in the short term, but in the long term,
> customers are what pay the bills.
Every company with shareholders has a legal obligation to those shareholders in the US. The shareholders own the company, after all. But no company can fulfill that obligation that ignores its customers. I don't know how Apple does in regards to the shareholders (I don't own stock at the moment, though I've been thinking about buying), but as a customer I am very satisfied and happy.
Long term vs. short term: Apple is and has been for the past few years playing for the long term. Every version of OS X, every store opening, every hardware or software advance has been a building block for the future. Apple is very carefully getting itself in position. When the economy surges upward, Apple is going to surge with it. Poor Microsoft won't even know what hit them.
> And I don't want to get hooked on
> subscriptionware. We have it at work for a CAD
> program, and it's a pain in the ass. Give me
> good old outright ownership any day of the week.
Fine. Buy an XServe, get a T1 line, get a copy of Web Objects, and set up your own web server with email and the works. You've got outright ownership for a few measly grand (except the T1 line, a monthly charge you probably can't afford). Me, I'd rather pay $8.33 a month, and let Apple worry about supporting the server and paying to hook it up to the internet.
> Apple needs to wake up and become decent people
> again.
I think they are decent now. And Apple is night and day different from Microsoft.
On December 14, 1996, Mothra resurrected a charred Apple sapling ("Mosura" 1996).
On December 14, 2001, Mothra returned to see its fruit ("Gojira, Mosura, Kingu Ghidora: Daikaiju Soukougeki").
OS X: the Apple of Mothra's Aqua eye.
Re:I hope Apple is watching this... (Score:1)
Most of the noise over the Jaguar upgrade price seems to be folks who have just paid for the full version with a new system. Most of us don't mind paying something, but $199 (Canadian dollars, no education discount, AFAICT [email if you know different]) is too much just 4 months after buying a full copy of 10.1.
Yes, I consider the $6K I spent on a new G4 package, and the OS X license it came with a "full purchase" of OS X 10.1.x. How is it not?
Sorry, but that is just how I feel. I would gladly pay something, but not full price. It's all in the presentation, isn't it?
Then again, if the "full price" was $299, and apple offered it $199, maybe it wouldn't sting so bad.
The point is that it might make more business sense to offer some kind of tiered pricing, especially given the "switch" compaign. I love my new Mac. Apple should be trying to encourage that warm and fuzzy feeling us UNIX geeks get with OS X.
Maybe the price is fair, and we are all being unreasonable. This doesn't change the fact that Apple could have presented the price in a better light to ease the sticker shock. Somebody fsck'd up.
In the end, only the totally honest will be the ones to pay full price. A good number of otherwise honest folk will find other ways to create their own discount. In this case, they will harangue Amazon. Others will find more creative ways. It doesn't have to be this way.
Re:I hope Apple is watching this... (Score:2)
Re:I hope Apple is watching this... (Score:2)
I've been running it a couple days and Jaguar is quite a delight.
I don't think people realize how much has changed- the new finder looks the same, but from the pointer and beachball replacements, to every button in the UI, Aqua is different... generally its quite a wonderful OS.
Nope no mistake. (Score:2)
Hey puge! Look again. I have a backup of the rebateform here [mac.com].
Re:Nope no mistake. (Score:1)
Re:Nope no mistake. (Score:1)
Apple has spoiled the diehard Mac crowd... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Apple has spoiled the diehard Mac crowd... (Score:2)
Mod the parent up, not down. nobody has expressed this quite this way before, and its insightful.
Re:Apple has spoiled the diehard Mac crowd... (Score:2, Insightful)
Sherlock 3 is Apple's absorption of the most excellent Watson...$30(includes lifetime updates)
Quartz Extreme...I'd hardly call this an application from the user standpoint. This is Apple making up for opting for stability over performance in the pre-10.2 releases. This is a bug fix; I'm very happy for it, but it's still a bug fix.
It's completely appropriate to charge 130 bucks for this for anyone that didn't pay for the 10.1 release. I just spent $1999 on a new iMac 7 weeks ago. I called Apple to ask them what good my Software Coupons are and they told me they are there to remind me to upgrade now and then. Now I fondly remember when those coupons were there to get you the next release of the OS. So now, just two months after dropping a bundle, I have to shell out $130 just to keep up. There should be a reasonable upgrade price for owners of 10.1.
I don't think so. (Score:2, Interesting)
Amazon's own terms of agreement indicate a rebate is valid as long as it's posted.
Check the link provided. It's still "posted."
They still running the same scam for a number of other products. The coupon still reads the same.
How are they going to "pull the rebate."
They aren't if anyone's in the mood to try them. I am. I ordered another box of Jaguar the day after the rebate "was pulled."
Amazon should know better having had there tit in similar ringers in the past (if you'll pardon the expression).
For only $70 more.... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:For only $70 more.... (Score:1)
Re:For only $70 more.... (Score:1)
But I don't know why I'd pay $70 more if there was no reason to.
-Alex
10.2 for new users (Score:1)
but the specs page for the powerbook says it is shipping with OS 10.1. will i have to pay the full $120 for the upgrade to 10.2?
Re:10.2 for new users (Score:1)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/
Re:10.2 for new users (Score:1)
Re:10.2 for new users (Score:1)
im getting the powerbook at a big discount through a friend who works for apple. he is coming back to school at the end of this month, so i wont be waiting any longer than that.
you guys are most helpful.
Re:10.2 for new users (Score:1)
-Alex
I wonder what happens if you order from this link? (Score:5, Informative)
As of five minutes ago...
This link DOES show a rebate coupon, the coupon DOES list "Mac OS X 10.2: Jaguar," and the coupon DOES say it is good for purchases made between 7/29/02 and 09/03/02.
Re:I wonder what happens if you order from this li (Score:2)
Re:No Rebate, No OS9 with 10.2 (Score:1)
Aren't they obligated to honor the rebate? (Score:1)
I ordered it from them pre 1900PDT on 7/31, so according to the article it'll still be honored. If it's not though, I will dispute the charge through my credit card company since it's clearly a rebate for which I qualify, and I have the document to prove it.
I don't know the legalities involved, but I assume that they're ok if they announce the rebate no longer applies before the product is charged.
Read More Carefully, People! (Score:1)
NO, the rebate form no longer has "Mac OS 10.2: Jaguar" listed on it.
Information (Score:2)
If I can't get the $50 rebate, I'll cancel my order.
Amazon Rebate (Score:1)
There should be an upgrade price, but... (Score:1)
don't hold your breath. As I said in the petition [petitiononline.com], the public's upgrade price should be about $69, and the student's should be about $39.
What Apple (and its customers) need to keep in mind is that unlike Windows, with its myriad versions of the OS, each supposedly targeted for a different market (Home, Professional, etc.), Apple really only has one. Well, unless you're running a professional-grade server, in which case you get OS X Server with it, don't you?
Amazon.com still honoring rebate (Score:1)
CompUSA has a great deal though... (Score:1)
Re:CompUSA has a great deal though... (Score:1)
Mac's are awful (Score:1)
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Yes it will. it just does not enable the "quartz extreme" feature and it falls back on the default quartz
No SCSI support.
There is SCSI support, just install a SCSI card. the machines do not come default with SCSI but if you install your own card it works fine.
macslash.org lost their domain because of Apple
Not true. they lost thier domain because some squatter got ahold of it when they forgot to renew it
Re:Fucking Steve Jobs (Score:1)
New 10.2 won't support "old" graphics cards made six months ago.
Yes it will. it just does not enable the "quartz extreme" feature and it falls back on the default quartz
Actually, that's not true. Quartz Extreme only requires 16MB on the vid card. The low-end stock vid card in my 2-year old G4 has 16MB. Last generation's Powerbooks had 16MB, I believe, and I'm pretty sure that's also true for the white iBooks with the TiBook form factor. Quartz Extreme, never mind 10.2, will be supporting many "6-month old" graphics cards.
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Funny, I have an 18 month old laptop that Quartz Extreme supports. how is that?
Sheesh.
And you want SCSI? Ok, fine, its supported under OS X natively. My 9500 works just fine (running OS X)