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asv108 writes "It seems that people are finding new uses for their iPod. According to this story in Wired, a Dallas area CompUsa employee caught a teenager transferring a fresh copy of Office for OSX to his iPod from a store demo machine."
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  • Hmm (Score:1, Insightful)

    by zapfie ( 560589 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @01:52PM (#3085215)
    Apple touts the iPod's ability to act as an external hard drive as one of its selling points. This person was using it as an external hard drive. Why is this newsworthy?
  • CompUSA employees (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Geek In Training ( 12075 ) <.moc.liamtoh. .ta. .893bc.> on Thursday February 28, 2002 @01:57PM (#3085276) Homepage
    From teh article: Webb watched the teenager copy a couple of other applications. He left the kid to find a CompUSA employee. "I went over and told a CompUSA guy, but he looked at me like I was clueless," Webb said.

    Isn't that a misprint? Should it not read: I look at him as though HE were clueless?

    Sounds about right... CompUSA loser is thinking, "Yeah man, sure... the kids stealing apps off out machines with his Walkman. WHATever... don't forget your tinfoil hat on that way out!"

    Just another moron who doesn't know his products or their capabilities.

    (It's not just PC workers, even today's car salesmen don't know their product. I went shopping with a friend who wanted to buy a car in the same model that I own. My friend is an informed consumer; he and I had to correct the sales guy on model names, equipment on each, engine size and wheel size on three different cars.)
  • by CitznFish ( 222446 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @01:58PM (#3085290) Homepage Journal
    If the kid was caught, would he be charged with stealing? He didn't take a physical product, he didn't even take the original. He mearly duplicated the files on his iPod. Yeah, it's software piracy, but do yo uthink the local police would have the time to even bother with this? It's not like CompUSA lost a sale or incurred any damages. In fact, CompUSA will probably sell 1000's more iPods just from this article alone!
  • by Dr. Awktagon ( 233360 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:00PM (#3085305) Homepage

    Can't you take ANY external pocket hard drive or even a keychain USB drive and do similar things? WTF does this have to do with the iPod?

    And you could take a camera into a museum or a movie camera into a theatre. But actually you can't because you'll get caught. So computer store employees should just make sure kids don't plug hard drives into computers.

    Of course if software could be freely redistributed this wouldn't be a problem, but that's another long-running and tiresome story, isn't it...

    There's no story here. NEXT!!!

  • by defeated ( 449449 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:02PM (#3085324) Homepage
    Can afford a $399 iPod but can't afford Office vX?

    Probably just didn't want to pony up $400+ for Office. MS loses nothing when kids like this pirate their software because if they couldn't get it for nothing, they probably wouldn't buy it anyway.

    Arrr, Cap'n

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:03PM (#3085336)
    Carrying around an iPod might look a little suspicious, especially when it's hooked up to the store model Mac via cable.

    Why not bring in a *blank CDR* and use the CD burner built into the store model Macs instead? Nothing would be visible while the burning takes place.

    Oh...and don't really do this. If you do, it's your own fault for being stupid. Fsck, I'd better post anonymously just to be safe.

  • Re:Hmm (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dstone ( 191334 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:05PM (#3085356) Homepage
    Okay, using your anti-criteria for news... Winchester touts their rifles' abilities to fire ammunition extremely accurately with immense force as one of their selling points. So when a person uses one to kill a president or a few dozen schoolchildren, is it newsworthy?

    Someone has discovered a new, ironic, and devious way to use an iPod for piracy. It's funny. And nerdy. And newsworthy. Especially on /.
  • by Multiple Sanchez ( 16336 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:05PM (#3085358)
    Wait, a front page story on slashdot is a front page story on Wired that's entirely hearsay. A computer consultant says he saw a crime, CompUSA didn't believe him, and that's news?
  • by kwashiorkor ( 105138 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:07PM (#3085368)
    From the article:

    CompUSA and other computer stores could take a few simple steps to prevent software from being copied, said Mac expert Dave Horrigan, who writes a syndicated Macintosh column.

    Any Mac can easily be configured to allow changes only by administrators, he said. Also, a system profile tool logs all peripheral equipment, but it must be running to log an iPod. For Macs running OS X, a locked dummy file in an application's package will protect the entire file from being copied without a password.

    But Horrigan didn't think the iPod presents a serious piracy threat to Microsoft, and doubted the company would take special measures to prevent in-store copying.

    Here's a suggestion: Physically block the fucking I/O ports on display models. Put a locked metal bar across them or something. Cheap, quick, and effective.
  • by RailGunner ( 554645 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:11PM (#3085414) Journal
    Pardon the profanity, but if you only made roughly 7 bucks an hour, would you give a fuck about someone ripping off the store with an iPod?

    Yeah.. didn't think so.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:17PM (#3085466)
    Such a thing would defeat the purpose of a display model.

    It's definitely a plus for the store if a customer can walk up to the salesperson, hand them a box and say "This (wireless mouse|digital camera|iPod) looks really neat! Could you demonstrate it for me?" And the salesperson opens up the box, plugs it in, and demonstrates it for them. putting padlocked metal things in front of the ports will probably not make the customers all that happy. That is a bit of an issue, no? Plus, the current mac display cases are basically works of art, and besides this lots of users will want to see the back of the machine without metal in the way ("how many firewire ports does this thing have..?")

    if it's that much of a problem the store can just put some mirrors up in the corners to make sure they can see the backs of the machines at all times.

    But, hell, if the employees aren't paying attention then you could walk up to one of those g4s, open it up, take some RAM, and walk out of the store. Or just carry the g4 itself out of the store. Or walk into a 7-11, grab some milk, and walk out without paying. Computer stores could padlock the macs shut, but they often won't because they want the salespeople to be able to open up the machines on a moments whim; 7-11 could padlock the milk in place, but they won't.

    There are more cost-and-effort-effective ways to prevent shrinkage.. especailly given how rarely people will be copying stuff off display models onto ipods.
  • Re:It's newsworthy (Score:3, Insightful)

    by quentinsf ( 5763 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:27PM (#3085530) Homepage
    Ah, but it's nice and easy with Mac apps because they don't generally sprinkle files all over the disk. You just drag'n'drop a single icon. It'll take longer for Microsoft to fix that than for USB2 to become common :-)

    Quentin [slashdot.org]
  • Back in the Day.. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Quizme2000 ( 323961 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:29PM (#3085548) Homepage Journal
    About 10 years ago I used to hang out in the mac lab at a local university while my Mom went to classes. I used to have a 2GB external HD the pluged in to the wall and used a huge scsi cable to hook up to the back of the Mac. I had copies of everything and they (computer lab guys) watched me do it, and said nothing. Times have changed (a little)and I became an adult. Yes you can get in a significant amount of trouble *if your caught*. It is very easy to steal anything regardless of how you physically do it, thats why we laws that say if your *caught* you will be punished. If you are over 18 and you pulled this stunt, *I* would have no problem reporting you as a shoplifter. this kid is the reason/excuse we have for crappy laws like the DMCA. IMHO if your moral standards are such that you *know* your stealing from someone and say its ok because they didn't lock it up good enough, then your sliding down a very slippery slope. (but I'll still visit you in jail when you get caught)
  • by MattRog ( 527508 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:32PM (#3085569)
    Ouch, what a way to burn 3 karma points. ;) Still, I think it needed to be said. It's exactly the same as saying "What if he was black, you never know what he might have been carrying." and of course the ACLU PC nazis would've been all over that. And I'd agree with them. He'd be stereotyping blacks as people who always are violent lawbreakers.

    Since when are Texans liable to shoot you at the drop of a hat? Read the statistics; you're more likely to get hit by a drunk driver (or any driver for that matter) than shot by a law-abiding concealed-carry permit holder who lawfully carries a concealed weapon (both in total numbers and percentage of drivers/CCW holders). Just because you're afraid of weapons doesn't mean they're inherently bad and make whomever touches them evil -- I'd rather my sister or my mother carry a pistol for self-defense than pepper spray or for heaven's sake a whistle!

    Stereotypes are stereotypes and perpetuating them, just like modding down that post, is just as stupid and close-minded as the original statement.
  • by MaxwellStreet ( 148915 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:33PM (#3085580)
    Even more interesting is the question of whether or not the iPod, or the binary data contained on the device, is subject to confiscation or seizure if they believe that you downloaded a copy of Office onto it.

    Nothing's missing . . . do they have the right to seize all those 1's and 0's?

    You could make decent arguments for both sides . . .
  • Hmm... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dasmegabyte ( 267018 ) <das@OHNOWHATSTHISdasmegabyte.org> on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:34PM (#3085584) Homepage Journal
    CompUSA eh? I'm surprised they even knew it WAS a Macintosh. Honestly, I've gone into that store to look for accessories for my mac and had them try and sell me a Compaq. Hello? Dumbass? I *HAVE* a mac, and I'm trying to purchase accesories for it. I don't want to buy a third rate PC with an updated "model number."

    Incidentally, I'd like to point out that the ease with which you can pirate software from a Macintosh raises an interesting point with Apple's vision. You install OfficeX by copying it where you want it...similar to the way you installed software on PCs before the invention of the "install wizard." Somebody realised that a single motion (drag program to applications) was easier than clicking through a dozen confusing menus. Somebody realized the time to ask for a serial number was when you tried to run a program, not while the install CD was in the drive.

    Oh, and I'd like to mention in this anonymous forum that I steal bandwidth from the Apple store all the time. That lovely open (well, i consider 128bit WEP pretty open) Airport network is perfect for chilling in the mall with my palmtop, comparing online prices to b&m.
  • by Wiwi Jumbo ( 105640 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:36PM (#3085607) Homepage Journal
    While I'm not sure about the "Stevebot", what I find a little more intresting is that he believes this was done to "bring bad press to the [...] iPod"

    ...um... I think it was to get Office fro free actually...
  • HelLO!!!! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:38PM (#3085623)
    "Webb watched the teenager copy a couple of other applications. He left the kid to find a CompUSA employee. 'I went over and told a CompUSA guy, but he looked at me like I was clueless,' Webb said."

    If this isn't a wake-up call to stores like CompUSA, I don't know what is. If you treat and pay your employees like Wal-Mart employees, you're going to get people with the computer knowledge of Wal-Mart employees. Hand-holding employees through training isn't the answer because all that will give you is employees that require somebody else to do all their thinking for them while making them believe that they already know everything.

    The reason the employees in stores like these don't have half a brain is because those that DO have half a brain can make far more money doing something else. Hell, people who answer tech support calls typically make more money than retail employees.

    This is nothing more than CompUSA getting what it pays for.
  • by King_TJ ( 85913 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @02:59PM (#3085830) Journal
    Umm... I hope you complained to his manager about his unacceptable behavior.

    I'm so tired of rude, inconsiderate, and downright stupid sales clerks!

    I'm starting to make a habit of filing complaints on these morons - because in the current economy, there's really no excuse for keeping some of these people employed. Much better individuals are out there, trying to find a job.

    Just a few weeks ago, my wife got one of the people fired who worked at a Long John Silver's fast food place not far from here. They completely screwed up our order after we waited nearly 20 minutes for it (and while they served some friends of theirs first, even though they arrived after us) - and then copped an attitude when we just asked for a refund.
  • by Master Bait ( 115103 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @03:06PM (#3085881) Homepage Journal
    It is hardly news. CompUSA probably just has demos of applications software.

    Kinkos has always been the best place to get software. Sure, you have to pay by the hour, but their Macs are/were equipped with zip drives, later CDR drives, but this new Firewire thing is a real boon for getting bloatware.

    What I'd like to know is if the iPod can play music while you're getting your copy of Office. If Apple used Linux or Darwin in the iPod, that would be a no-braner!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28, 2002 @03:14PM (#3085925)
    Yes, he should shut his face about it.

    I'm sick and tired of hearing about how I ride my horse everywhere (i dont even own a horse) and execute people for j-walking.
  • by SnickleFritz ( 17110 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @03:21PM (#3085975)
    "It's a shame someone has stooped this low to bring bad press to the insanely great iPod."

    Isn't this the kind of convienence that computer people have wanted for years? I think it's fantastic. Bragging rights go to Apple. Now I can easily go around to my 250 desktops and load, or re-load, office in minutes.

    Bravo Apple!
  • by DragonMagic ( 170846 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @03:30PM (#3086031) Homepage
    I needed to buy a replacement Lexmark printer, because they're cheap and I do a lot of printing in b/w format, and did some shopping at Best Buy and CompUSA for price comparisons.

    At one Best Buy, they had a Z52 as a store display, as Z53s had just come out. There were no more Z52s left, and they had yet to receive the Z53s for their stock.

    Asking a manager, I got the price reduced to almost half the retail, and still got their crappy service plan thrown in for a year. When they opened it up to check for any products inside in case I was trying to smuggle them out, the cashier removed the ink cartridges and ran them across their demagnetizer.

    Why? Because they put anti-theft tags on the cartridges. People actually walk into stores and try to swipe open inkjet cartridges which have been used quite a bit as demonstration products, and are already open.

    So they're aware that people try to steal innards, but as to how far they can go, who knows? RAM may not be protectable in these methods, but other items could be.
  • by DahGhostfacedFiddlah ( 470393 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @03:41PM (#3086106)
    This is the first I've heard of this use - obviously illegal. But think of the possibilities for data transmission for these things. They're 5G floppies that play music. If all computer usage was as easy as the article makes it out to be, the world would be a better place.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28, 2002 @03:46PM (#3086145)
    When that kid walked out not one thing was missing from the store.
  • by Monte ( 48723 ) on Thursday February 28, 2002 @04:12PM (#3086309)
    Do you know how many people switch to Linux when XP came out, just because of the XP Home Edition license stink?

    Dozens? Perhaps hundreds?

    Compared to the number of computers that have already shipped with XP pre-installed, I doubt anyone in Redmond is sweating it.

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