Mozilla-Based Browser Sports Cocoa Front End 46
Aqua OS X writes: "Looks like there is a new project over at mozdev.org. The guys are working on a new gecko-powered Mac OS X browser, Chimera (not to be confused with the X11 browser which bears the same name), built using Mac OS X's Cocoa API. It renders well, and scraps the bulky Mozilla/Netscape UI. Supposedly, version 0.2 should support Quartz rendering." Most excellent. XPFE (cross-platform front-end) has been my biggest problem with Mozilla on Mac OS, and perhaps my biggest obstacle to long-term adoption of Mozilla as my primary browser.
Re:Opera - question! (Score:1)
Sorry for the OT post... (And my undying gratitude to anybody who's run into this and knows how to fix it!
Re:Opera - question! (Score:1)
I don't use Opera, but it sounds as if you need to read about the X11 selection mechanism.
Re:Opera (Score:2)
So, I thought I'd try Mozilla. This was after 0.9.8. I tried both that release, and a bunch of nightly builds, including ones that people said were "fast and stable." Man, Mozilla still blows. Under Slowaris and OS X, it still uses a huge amount of RAM and CPU time. I very disapointed.
Then I found Opera for OS X. It was great on all fronts except stability. At least a few times a day, Opera just crashes out of nowhere. Not surprising, considering it is a beta version. But this was getting annoying- everytime it'd crash, I'd loose any new bookmarks I made in the session.
Then a friend pointed me to OmniWeb's SneakyPeek [omnigroup.com] releases, which are more or less weekly builds. Compared to OW 4.0.6, the last two SPs I've been running have been really great- faster and more stable than all previous OmniWeb versions I've run. I'll be sticking with it, even.
Re:Opera (Score:1)
Chimera - innovative? (Score:1)
Re:Chimera - innovative? (Score:1)
Re:Chimera - innovative? (Score:1)
Re:Chimera - innovative? (Score:1)
How can you stand to use ChatZilla? Do you only IRC on a rare occasion?
Re:Chimera - innovative? (Score:1)
Chimera should become the Galeon of OSX !! (Score:1)
It also is a browser that uses Gecko, but with native widgets (GTK+) for Linux
It pioneered ( i think ) tabbed browsing for Linux, and has lots of nice features not found in any other browser. Nice search toolbars, autobookmark folders, nice fullscreen mode and lots more...
I really miss it on my Powerbook when I run OSX ( I also run YellowDog Linux [yellowdoglinux.com] ), and I consider it to be the best browser on earth. It has Gecko's rendering speed with speedy native widgets and alot of features !
If chimera could follow that design it's bound to be a success ( no mean feat though )
I really love Mozilla because of the speedy rendering and whatever platform I use, I always know there's at least one browser that fits all !! But on MacosX it hogs alot of memory and isn't up to speed with the Windows/Linux versions.
Re:Chimera should become the Galeon of OSX !! (Score:1)
Personally, I prefer... (Score:2)
My two personal favorite features, though, are image filtering and JavaScript checking. Blocks ads and popups almost perfectly, in my experience.
Re:Personally, I prefer... (Score:3, Insightful)
Unfortunately, OmniWeb's CSS implementation is near-nonexistant, and it completely breaks any site using CSS for layout.
For instance, I just tested my site [djwudi.com] under 10 different browsers (plus 2 other screenshots that a friend sent me) and the only browsers to completely muck up the page were OmniWeb, iCab, and links (big surprise there...), as I've stopped using tables and use CSS specifications for my layout (browser test summary for my site is right here [djwudi.com]).
I like OmniWeb's speed, size, and rendering quality, but until they actually support CSS like they claim to, they're not going to be my browser of choice.
Re:Personally, I prefer... (Score:2)
The UI, and multithreading, and Quartz text to make the browser look and feel nice. But the rendering engine leaves much to be desired. Almost all of my heavy JS and CSS sites do not load properly in OmniWeb. I feel like I am developing for Netscape 4 or something.
Re:Faster and Simpler... (Score:1)
i mean, it literally freezes the browser until the page loads...if the story is over 100 comments, i've taken to using netsape 6.2 (hahaha, now THAT'S a POS!).
Whats the deal with ie?
Nice (Score:3, Insightful)
Chimera is definitely beta, though. I've noticed three bugs already.(I'm using it right now to make this post, so they're not major bugs)
All in all, it is really nice, though. It is already much snappier than Mozilla. I'll be following this one.
Yup... (Score:2)
I like it a lot already. As much as I love mozilla's composer, I do not need another mail and news reader, and as far as that goes, I don't need an integrated IRC client either.
I will certainly follow this one closely. I'm using it now, and except for some minor MINOR bugs, it seems pretty good. Muche better than a 0.1 version would indicate.
Is it just me, or is Mac OS X really starting to get some pretty cool open-source apps? (I mean besides the ports of the linux stuff)
speedy little bugger! (Score:2)
Mozilla's Crappy Tabs (Score:2, Informative)
Mozilla though, is an entirely another story. On my iBook500 with 320 MB RAM, or a 500 MHz UltraSparc II w/ 256 MB RAM, it crawls as soon as I've got either a few tabs or a few windows open. By the time I've got 8-9 tabs or windows open, it's unusably slow, often taking 1-5 *seconds* just to open a new window!
One of my biggest complaints with Mozilla in the past was that it took so damn long for new windows or tabs to open. As a person who is always cmd-clicking to open links in new windows (so I can continue reading things in the last page, I read many pages at the same time, non-linearily), Mozilla is a pain in the ass to use.
gosh, the choices! (Score:1)
Dirk
IE's Scrapbook? (Score:3, Interesting)
I'd love to see this in Mozilla, or any of the front-end browsers. It's very convient when you order something, to just toss the reciept page in the scrapbook so you can refrence the tracking number without hassle. Or when I'm looking at a professor's website for his notes, just scrapbook what I have to read and read it offline(i'm on an ibook)
Re:IE's Scrapbook? (Score:1)
If you don't feel comfortable with the (more than slightly arcane) Bugzilla interface, drop me an email (trapper@freeke.org) and I'll file it for you.
Re:Browser Toolbars (Score:2, Informative)
We plan to support a separate location bar by default (with the URL bar being an optional component that you can put on the main toolbar should you prefer it there).
Dave
(hyatt@netscape.com)
Great Porn And Warez Browser (Score:2, Funny)
chimera (Score:3, Insightful)
"have you tried opera?"
"how about omniweb?"
who cares? this is about chimera. and, though it is currently in pre-pre-beta probably alpha stage (hell, a good many of the basic features aren't even there yet), it is waaay faster than any browser out there - probably for any platform. check out the speed tests at chimera.mozdev.org. wow. and when you try it, you can see that it's true.
funny that the person raving about omniweb was saying how fast it is.. their benchmarks nail it as the slowest of the bunch (and i'd agree). omniweb looks great, but it ain't no speed demon. ie is much faster.
anyway, i check the development site every day to see if there are new versions released. each new release has been leaps and bounds better than the last. i'd say that this will be hands down best browser in a couple months if they keep pushing it forward at the current pace.
no one has commented on the sidebar yet - very cool. when they finish it, it will even have google search in the sidebar pull-out. hell yeah.. that's one of the few things i really like about opera (and the google toolbar for IE on windoze).
big round of applause for the fine folks developing this browser!
Re:chimera (Score:1)
Re: (Score:1, Insightful)
How do I make my tabs in the middle of the screen? (Score:1)
(see screenshot of the browser)
Yay, but don't diss the cross-platform interface (Score:1)
Also, the XPFE makes an interface standard across platforms, which could make it easier for users to move from one to another without having much of a learning curve, as well as allowing for development of cross-platform apps using the Mozilla rendering engine. Anyway, it has so many great potential uses, I fail to see what is so bad about it. At least for me, it isn't "bulky"
The bottom line is this: If you like your programs to all have the same 'look,' that's great, good for you, and I'm glad someone is building a look for Mozilla that makes you happy. However, don't rip on the XPFE just because you don't use it.
Re:Yay, but don't diss the cross-platform interfac (Score:2, Informative)
In addition to looking wrong, it also doesn't act properly. At least it does drag and drop to the Desktop, but it lacks Keychain support, AppleScript support
I dig Mozilla, but not as a Mac app.
Can't do Zilla (Score:2)