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Time Canada Shows New iMac 987

Kira-Baka writes "Okay, Time Canada screwed up big time. They have pictures of the new iMac which will be released tomorrow during the Mac World Expo keynote on their front page. it is likely that they will be getting a letter soon so though..." I'll be posting a full report on the keynote and other MacWorld goodness tomorrow as it happens. Time Canada seems a bit slow, but in short, think little pod of iMac with superdrive and flat panel screen. Update: 01/07 13:22 GMT by T : Several readers have pointed out that the story can (for now) still be found mirrored here, though it's been pulled from the Time site.
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Time Canada Shows New iMac

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  • The date (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Tuzanor ( 125152 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @12:25AM (#2796136) Homepage
    The story date is set at January 14, 2002. This must have been one really bad accident. Either way, somebody is in deep shit.
  • by Calimus ( 43046 ) <calimus@teBOYSEN ... .com minus berry> on Monday January 07, 2002 @12:28AM (#2796151) Homepage
    I've had to give it to Apple in the past, they have come out with some damn nice looking machines. However, this time, I looks like they have run out of idea. To me this thing looks like a blob of clay with a flat screen LCD jammed on it by a stick.

    While I am very impressed with the lack of footprint this design brings, It's just not very appealing to me. To top it all off, I thought the Imac was a PIA to upgrade the ram in, I can't imaging how careful you must have to be with that LCD monitor wavering about above it. Maybe it has a nice access door so you don't have to flip the thing over or something.

    In closing, I know I'm gonna get the stamp of flamebait, but this thing just really isn't eye appealing. Bring back the mac cube, at least it was a shape geeks could get into.
  • SuperDrive (Score:2, Insightful)

    by skroz ( 7870 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @12:28AM (#2796152) Homepage
    It has probably been said before, but when I hear "SuperDrive" in association with a macintosh, I still think of the first line of Mac 3.5" floppy drives that could read both Mac and PC formatted media. Of course, the filesystem wasn't supported in the OS of the first few machines with the drive, but eh.
  • by Dredd13 ( 14750 ) <dredd@megacity.org> on Monday January 07, 2002 @12:46AM (#2796247) Homepage
    How is it "Screwing up" when they're reporting news, and doing it before other sites and news sources do it?

    Maybe it's not when Apple would have wanted it, but Time did "the right thing" from a journalist's perspective. They "broke the story", which is what journalists are paid to do.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07, 2002 @12:47AM (#2796255)
    The new iMac, which Time took for an exclusive test run recently and which will be unveiled at the annual Macworld convention in San Francisco this week, could be just the thing.

    hmm guys... maybe if you read the article it would make a little more sense.. it appears it was written to be published before macworld anyway.. the date seems to be the only screw up
  • I have a feeling that it's the machine that my mom will love. I've been trying to get her a PC for some time now and her complaint is always "that ugly 'hard drive'" meaning the case...

    With the footprint on this beast and the simplicity of the MacOS I suspect that this will be the machine for her.
  • by Jeffrey Baker ( 6191 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @12:55AM (#2796305)
    "They" have been saying that since the Gil Amelio days. That is how the Mac rumor mill works: come up with as much outrageous bullshit as possible, and repeat it in a tight loop. If ANY of it EVER comes true, they will shout "SEE. We TOLD you so!".
  • by Tide ( 8490 ) <chad&chadsdomain,com> on Monday January 07, 2002 @12:55AM (#2796313) Homepage
    Actually, the entry level iMac is $799, the new iMac starts @ $1299 - $1799. A computer in the Mac world that came with a DVD burner and LCD screen ran about $3100 today, tomorrow its $1800. A bit better, no?
  • by Therlin ( 126989 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @12:56AM (#2796319)
    The article says it will cost $1800 which is kind of pricey for an iMac (even if it has a superdrive and an LCD).

    But the article is from Time Canada, so could the price be in Canadian dollars? This would bring the price down to about $1128 US.
  • Why it was early (Score:4, Insightful)

    by neier ( 103246 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @12:58AM (#2796331)
    Now we know why Jobs moved the keynote up a day. If Time is published on Monday, Apple would either have had to "debut" the iMac a day after everyone had read about it in print, or ask Time to change their whole publishing cycle. Moving the keynote to occur as the magazine was _supposed_ to be released made everyone happy.

    Now it makes sense....
  • by cygnus ( 17101 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @01:00AM (#2796342) Homepage
    How is it "Screwing up" when they're reporting news, and doing it before other sites and news sources do it?

    well, it's great for us. but they probably were given access to products and info based on their signing an NDA, which would preclude them from jumping the gun like this. so they screwed up in the legal sense.

    They "broke the story", which is what journalists are paid to do.

    er, no. they aren't paid to do that when they'll cost their company thousands of dollars in lawsuits.
  • Jobs' Reaction (Score:3, Insightful)

    by TheGreenLantern ( 537864 ) <thegreenlntrn@yahoo.com> on Monday January 07, 2002 @01:06AM (#2796375) Homepage Journal
    A lot of people seem to be assuming that Jobs is having a fit about this right now, and indeed he may be. But let's look at things from a business perspective, shall we?

    - When a small, independent Apple site leaks pics of an iCube, new iMac, possible iWalk, whatever, Steve can get pissed, threaten litigation, and call them all kinds of names.

    - When a major magazine publisher, backed by one of the worlds largest media conglomerates, leaks pics of the new iMac, Steve bites his tounge, smiles, and congratulates Time Canada on their "scoop".

    Or do you think he's willing to throw away millions of potential consumer eyes he could advertise to?
  • by evand ( 2571 ) <esd AT cmu DOT edu> on Monday January 07, 2002 @01:12AM (#2796404) Homepage

    My mom is looking for a computer to call her own, and I've been trying to steer her toward a Macintosh. Why?

    First of all, her needs are simple. She needs to check her email, surf the web, and use a word processor. With Mail.app, Internet Explorer/OmniWeb, and AppleWorks, her needs are fulfilled.

    Additionally, Macs really are easier to use than the alternatives. How did I install Office v.X on my iBook? I dragged the folder that had "Drag this to your hard disk" written next to it to... my hard disk! Uninstallation? Drag the folder from my hard disk to the Trash!

    I can definitely see one of these new iMacs sitting in our kitchen where the Audrey (shudder) is now, and I can see my mom writing email, surfing the web, writing letters, editing movies from our HandyCam, and burning DVDs on it, all without much intervention from me beyond teaching her the basics.

    That's truly a beautiful thing.

  • by anticypher ( 48312 ) <anticypher.gmail@com> on Monday January 07, 2002 @01:15AM (#2796423) Homepage
    $1299 US dollars for an entry level iMac, going up to $2400 US for a completely tricked out machine. Those prices include the flat panel display.

    The machine looks cool. If I could get a solaris X-windows display going on it, I would make one my main network management display machine. Blow away any visitors with how it looks. Out-geek everyone in the company.

    Of course, next month there will be a dozen PC clones from china with the exact same look. Within a year, 40% of all PCs sold will be lumps with flat panel displays poking out the top. Apple is the only company still left innovating. Good on them.

    the AC
  • Re:The date (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Tuzanor ( 125152 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @01:15AM (#2796428) Homepage
    Canada is not an insignificant market.

    I know, i live there! ;-)

  • by evand ( 2571 ) <esd AT cmu DOT edu> on Monday January 07, 2002 @01:17AM (#2796439) Homepage
    Even die-hard Mac fans are unimpressed.

    Yes, I trust your assessment, because clearly you've had time to extensively poll the hardcore Macintosh community in the 45 minutes since this story "broke."

    Don't forget that the design of this iMac is as different from most other things out there as the original was when it was introduced. And I've seen the original iMac everywhere from schools to homes to coffee shops in Key West, Florida.

  • I Doubt It (Score:3, Insightful)

    by krmt ( 91422 ) <therefrmhere@yah o o . com> on Monday January 07, 2002 @01:20AM (#2796450) Homepage
    But what possible benefit could there be in letting it leak? It's not like they would have had to wait much longer, Macworld is tomorrow.

    Plus, Jobs is a total control freak who really loves the surprise his keynotes give every year. Given that, I'd say someone fucked up big time.
  • by bnenning ( 58349 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @01:34AM (#2796504)
    If I could get a solaris X-windows display going on it, I would make one my main network management display machine.


    Done [sourceforge.net]. You can run a fullscreen X server, or run it rootless so X and Aqua windows are side by side.

  • Oh well (Score:3, Insightful)

    by fm6 ( 162816 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @02:09AM (#2796667) Homepage Journal
    I think everybody's overestimating the importance of an Apple product release. This might be front page news to Mac enthusiasts, but to other techies it's only mildly interesting, and to the mundanes...

    Consider: why is there even a timecanada.com separate from time.com? Because Canada is struggling desperately to maintain some kind of distinct identity for its media. So TW-AOL is forced to provide a certain amount of Candadian content in Canadian editions of its magazines. And 30 million Canadians don't generate that much news!

  • by foobar104 ( 206452 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @02:16AM (#2796701) Journal
    Of course, they don't ever tell you anything about what kind of DVD burner it is, which is much more important than with CD burners (there are numerous types).

    Why is it important? My iMac has a CDRW in it. How fast is it? I don't know. Fast enough to burn a whole CD in about five minutes, which is fast enough for me. I don't worry about it.

    My G4 at work has a SuperDrive. It reads CDs and DVDs, and it burns CDs and DVDs. How fast is it? I don't know; see above. I know that I can burn a DVD-ROM and read it in any computer I've tried so far, and I know I can burn a video-DVD and play it in every video DVD player I've tried. That's good enough for me. I don't worry about it.

    I don't care what kind of CDRW or DVD my computer has, because it works perfectly every time (knock wood).
  • G4 processor? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by phalse phace ( 454635 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @03:12AM (#2796923)
    If these new iMacs are going to be equiped with G4 processors ...
    "Manipulating video-distilling those 90-min. tapes of mind-numbing music recitals and awards banquets into amusing, fast-moving 3-min. shorts-is almost as simple on the new iMac, which features a fast G4 chip, just like Apple's top-of-the-line machines."
    ... then Jobs must be planning to announce G5 processor macs as well during his keynote speech. I can't think of any reason why he'd have all the desktop macs equiped with G4s, it just wouldn't make any sense since that would confuse consumers. There needs to be some type of distinction between the consumer line and the high end macs. And if this does happen, I know what my next computer's gonna be.....
  • by loraksus ( 171574 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @03:14AM (#2796929) Homepage
    oh come on, the article is a apple (and jobs) ad for christ sakes, I honestly doubt this was leaked as much as "be nice to use and we give you a scoop"
  • by Sentry21 ( 8183 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @03:23AM (#2796960) Journal
    I disagree totally. Consider the following points.

    1. If Steve Jobs were an idiot, he wouldn't have asked when the article would hit shelves. Jobs is not an idiot, ergo he knew, as does C|Net [cnet.com] , that this is also in this week's Time (US) magazine - which hit newsstands on Sunday in New York.
    2. Jobs probably had a tough debate with himself. Either he could deny a story for Time until after the launch - meaning waiting until next Sunday when it would've been to late - or he could let Time put it on shelves and websites, and let a few people see it (but not as many as will see it tomorrow), and have their new product front and centre on every newsstand on the continent come Monday morning. I'd hate to leak it early, but I'd hate more to sensationalize late. I'm sure Jobs felt the same.
    3. What could Apple possibly do, other than deny interviews from Time Magazine? Unless they had a contract (which I doubt), then this is perfectly acceptible reporting. It's not slander or libel, it's an article as true as can be accepted. If Apple doesn't like it, they can lump it.
    4. I sincerely doubt there's a single webmaster that controls this sort of thing. Likely the webmasters write/debug the scripts that drive the page, and the editors and so on are the ones that actually do the posting/managing.


    Time isn't in trouble, and Apple will be more glad than not. Jobs knows how to work the media - and people in general - and I'm sure that Time/Warner will be happy - people are probably going to snap up Time Magazine like it's going out of style.

    --Dan
  • by ahknight ( 128958 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @03:36AM (#2796996)
    Perhaps, and don't take this wrong, she needed a full tower for home use because her son is a geek? Perchance? Had she done it herself I'm sure it could have taken up half the space (with a loss in functionality, of course).
  • Everyone is going to have an opinion on these things, so I might as well clarify their design decision.

    These things look damn beautiful where they are intended to go. They are kiosks. They are the nicest-looking kiosks money can buy. Imacs always have been. A row of these things on a stand in a lobby, or tucked away in a conference room, would look great. They have a minimalist, comfortable aesthetic that says "come, touch me. I'm all plastic and safe." It shows you exactly what you can do with it, and it doesn't have anything extraneous. For example, there is no "turbo" button. When a company or an institution spends millions to design a building to make it look just right, spending a few thousand on computers that compliment that look is quite understandable.

    They would also look great in the home. Yes, they are a little 50's hal 2001 retro, which isn't quite as cool as as the 60's retro of the original Imac but is still very nice. They look a lot like an uncomplicated, friendly little screen designed to be exactly, and only, a little digital hub. While the lack of tivo style options is sad, the little thing really does look like a piece of complimentary design work... like a pretty plastic toaster for your MP3 player. I wouldn't want it to replace the k-6 linux box sitting next to me, but I'm jealous of anyone who can afford to put one of these in their living rooms.

    Of course, afford is a keyword. Apple has never stormed the mass market, because it knows that the money is to be made in the high-end. That's how they have been surviving, and more power to them.

    -Story update!-

    Timecanada.com is now forwarding to time.com, which doesn't have the original story. However, the original, sans photos, is still (as of 2:30 AM EST) available here [timecanada.com]

  • by Ryan Amos ( 16972 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @05:27AM (#2797297)
    Apple's target market is NOT the geeks. Geeks are going to build their own PC in a cool case. Apple's target are the 30 year old working professionals who shop at Ikea. This kind of stuff fits perfectly with that. Believe it or not, geeks are but a small portion of the American population, and not a very lucrative one for prebuilt computer makers. Apple will let AMD/VIA and Intel fight over the geeks, and they'll go after their own market.
  • by enkidu ( 13673 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @05:29AM (#2797307) Homepage Journal

    Too much like the cube.

    Say what you will, the cube was way ahead of it's time.

    The display sits too high.

    The arm isn't fixed dude. It can move up and down.

    The display is too small - it's an iBook display.

    It's the biggest it's going to get at current (and near current) prices

    Expandability expandability expandability

    Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity, my friend.

    Versatility versatility versatility

    Well, it looks just as versatile as the original iMac to me :-). Give it some time, maybe it will grow on you, I thought the iMac was big ugly blob when I first saw it, but it really grew on me.

  • by Chasing Amy ( 450778 ) <asdfijoaisdf@askdfjpasodf.com> on Monday January 07, 2002 @05:45AM (#2797336) Homepage
    I know looks are subjective, but there are some basic principles of aesthetics. Most people will agree that something gorgeous is at least attractive, or that something heinous is at least unattractive. And this flat-paneled thingie is pretty heinous.

    I say this as someone who has liked Apple's aesthetics a lot. Visuals do mean something to me, which is why I chose my PC case based on both functionality and aesthetics. The original iMac had a great aesthetic--it was different and new, and yet it could blend in pretty seamlessly in almost any environment. It wouldn't look out of place in your living room or home office whether the decor were ultra-modern or quite old-fashioned. It looked at home in offices and schools and computer labs. And it looked good doing it.

    But this flat-paneled monstrosity looks like a refugee from the movie *2001: A Space Odyssey*. In other words, it looks like a 1960's conception of a futuristic 21st century design. Looking at that film now, it's a wonderful film, but all the design elements look so conspicuous as to be almost laughable. And so does this new flat-panel presumed iMac. Whereas the old iMac dsign took a few moments to get used to but then blended right in naturally as if the design were obvious, this thing will always look conspicuously out of place unless your decor is 60's ultra-modern. I can't picture this is an old-fashioned office at all. And aesthetically, it just isn't attractive. It's an LCD on a stalk with a clunky base. It looks rather like a ladies' cosmetic mirror, actually--from the 60s.

    And the flaws are functional, too. An awful lot of iMacs go into the educational sector--but not these. Why? Because, with the small LCD and smallish base and the mobility of the swiveling stalk, one of these could easily be slipped into a backpack or duffel bag. Public schools won't want them because they'll be easy to steal. Libraries won't want them because they'll be easy to steal. College labs won't want them because they'll be easy to steal. Basically, anything fairly public would be a bad place to put these things. It's a laptop on a stick. It's just begging to get stolen. And it kinda ruins the whole aesthetic--not that it was a good one in the first place--when such public places as do buy them start putting big ugly bicycle chains around the stalks.

    What does this ugly, gangly design have that others don't? It offers greater mobility for swiveling your LCD screen since it's attached to that weird stalk instead of to the base just as most (far better looking) rumor site concept art had it. Now, even though half a dozen Mac zealots and one or two PC guys who are a lot closer to their computers than any average home users are, are going to dispute this, the fact is that most people sit their monitors (or iMacs) where they want them, adjust once, and leave everything be. Even in multi-user environments, tilting the monitor a little takes half a second and is even easy for a young kid--I just nudged my gigantic 20 inch CRT monitor around with ease, and it's a lot more heavy and bulky and crowded on all sides than most monitors will ever be. There's just not a need for the average user to have a swiveling stalk, which will only contribute to people thinking it looks really stupid. I think this is a case of Apple having graphic designers in mind more than home users and average guys and educational institutions--which is a mistake since graphics professionals are more likely to shell out for the extra horsepower of a more expensive Mac, not an iMac. The design here is just very, very poorly targeted to its demographic. Average home users--the bread and butter of the iMac market segment--are going to think this thing looks ugly.

    What they should have done instead of this gangly monstrosity is to use the Cube design, but for the new LCD iMac. It was a gorgeous, award-winning design. Many, many people said they would have bought it if they could afford it. Instead of plopping an LCD atop a stick attached to an oversized AirPort unit (which is what this new design looks like), Apple should have redesigned the Cube, packaged it with an LCD monitor, and that should have been the new flat panel iMac. It's not quite as integrated as connecting the central unit to the LCD with a stick, but methinks even the most lame of home users know how to stick a wire from the LCD into the Cube. If they were too dumb to even do that, then how could they even plug in their modem wire from an old iMac to the wall plate?

    Yes, the Cube design should have been harvested for Apple's new LCD iMac. Everyone loved it. The design was practically universally praised, (except the mould lines) and the only reason it didn't succeed was that it was priced way above the iMacs but very close to the full, powerful G4 towers. Opinion is clearly mixed at best on this new thingie, however. a Cube with LCD design for the new iMac would still be compact and relatively light and hence suffer from the same "stealability" factor which I mentioned may deter public schools and such from upgrading to the new iStalks, but at least it wouldn't look ugly and stick out in almost any decor, it would look gorgeous and complement any environment. Either way, if public schools and libraries upgrade to a newer lighter iMac, they'll have to chain them down with a vengeance whereas the old iMac was better suited thanks to its CRT bulk and heft. Flat panels in general are a poor choice for such environments thanks to stealability and the relative ease of damaging an LCD's more delicate screen.

    At any rate, I think I've made it obvious that while I liked the old iMac design and the G4 Cube design and even the Apple tower designs, I hate this new "iStalk" design. It truly looks like a piece of set dressing from *2001: A Space Odyssey*, and hence just too bizarre to fit in here in the real world. The primary advantage of having the LCD on the swiveling stalk, ease of moving the screen, is also an advantage few of the iMac's target demographic will really use--oh, and it also makes the LCD prone to get repositioned too frequently for comfort, if you're the type of person who likes to get his monitor or TV just-so.

    And finally--it wouldn't take a clumsy person to knock one of these off a desk and break it; it would only take a quick accidental arm movement. I'm sure the base is extra-sturdy with just this in mind, but you just know several people will knock these things down by accidentally hitting the LCDs.

    My final, final word: Yep, Apple should have just put the Cube together with an LCD monitor and branded it the new imac, instead of creating this ugly beast. the Cube had aesthetic splendor, while this is aesthetic squalor...
  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @06:07AM (#2797369)
    I just logged into Dell and configured a system roughly along the lines the article mentioned "A top of the line Dell Dimension 8200 with a flat panel display".

    Not altering any parameters apart from changing to a 15" flat panel display and switching to a DVD-ROM drive, a Dell Dimension 8200 running at 1.9GHz was quoted as being $2280 canadian (I selected Canada as my region on entering the site). That conforms pretty closely with what the article reported for the comparison price of the Dell system ($2200) so there is some reason to believe the $1800 for a DVD burning iMac might be a Canadian price.
  • by magicsquid ( 85985 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @10:15AM (#2797919) Homepage
    Does anyone else know of ANY computer company other than Apple that would have a new design featured on the cover of Time? As far as I can tell there are none.
  • by overunderunderdone ( 521462 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @10:53AM (#2798110)
    I've had to give it to Apple in the past, they have come out with some damn nice looking machines. However, this time, I looks like they have run out of idea.

    This is exactly what I thought when the original iMac first came out. I thought it looked like an ugly cheap plastic joke and I was sure I was witnessing the end of Apple Computer. At the time the initial reaction of many geeks was the same as mine. Of course as it turns out that the target audience loved the look, it looked better in person than it did in pictures and it sold like hotcakes singlehandedly bringing Apple back from the financial grave. It just goes to show why Steve Job's net worth is counted in hundreds of millions and mine is $3.67 after taxes.

    Now I see the *new* iMac and my initial reaction is the same - what an ugly (not so)cheap plastic joke. But this time I'll reserve my judgement until I get a chance to see it in person and see the reaction of the people who are it's intended audience (not me, or people like me.) Don't get me wrong I'm not deferring all sense of aesthetic tast to Steve Jobs. He and Apple have certainly gotten it wrong before both with looks (the original iBook) and with price (the Cube) But I hope as I look at this thing that despite my initial reaction that they have again hit it out of the park in a way that I wouldn't have dared with my more conventional sense of aesthetics.
  • by Wilersh ( 237791 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @12:27PM (#2798639)
    Wow. Very in depth analysis without ever seeing more than a picture on the web! Why don't you give it a little time and look at one in person, or you might even (imagine this) want to try out the product before bashing it!? Aesthetics are in the look and feel of using a product, not just a couple of crappy images off the internet.

    Yeesh...
  • by Artifex ( 18308 ) on Monday January 07, 2002 @12:32PM (#2798660) Journal

    What does this ugly, gangly design have that others don't? It offers greater mobility for swiveling your LCD screen since it's attached to that weird stalk instead of to the base just as most (far better looking) rumor site concept art had it.

    Careful... you might give someone at Apple ideas. I mean, think about it. Every product they release now has a lot of leaking beforehand about specs, and concept art, etc... what would it take for them to just say, "hey, let's leak the specs and see what the users come up with..." The sites certainly won't admit that they totally made up the images (especially if their userbase and therefore advertising revenue gets boosted by "correct" hits), and having multiple designs coming from the user community couldn't hurt the process.

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