Running A Web Server On An Apple Lisa 2 266
pinqkandi writes: "Saw this come along the MacHTTP discussion list; some one got an Apple Lisa 2 running a web server. Quite an impressive feat. Be quick to check it out - they expect to shut it down about 8am CST on 1/2/02."
Ok? (Score:1, Interesting)
I remember a few years back the guys ar l0pht had a mac plus (the lisa's younger brother) running as a web server. And some sick people actually made an Apple ][ into a web server.
It was a matter of time. (Score:4, Interesting)
Good show to whoever got it set up. Too bad it could never hope to handle a slashdotting...
Believe it or not, Mac Pluses and other 68k Macs (running either MacHTTP or some form of 68k BSD) seem to make pretty good servers for sites with fairly low traffic (Not to mention cheap!). Of course, you'll never see Slashdot running on a Quadra.
Cool, but as far as doing more Web with less... (Score:2, Interesting)
Not that I'd dare, but.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Granted, I've not toyed with it under Linux, but it works just peachy in Windows.
TI-89! (Score:1, Interesting)
Of course you need a computer running serial-to-network pass-through to connect it to the net... But that's a minor detail.
No longer a Lisa! (Score:4, Interesting)
This aside, it might not be impossible to get a stock Lisa 2 (or even a Lisa 1!) on the net. Microsoft (if you can believe it) had a version of Xenix for both Lisa models. One could potentially program some "http server" that operates over one of the serial lines or perhaps do something more baroque than that (e.g. implement serial line PPP+web server in user mode).
If someone can find me a copy of Xenix on 5.25" Twiggy media and a spare ProFile external HD (5 megabytes!), I'll put my Lisa 1 on the net. Yes, I own one.
I used to have a webpage about the Lisa. The server that held it (a 386) suffered an untimely demise after another administrator ran rm -rf /. Fortunately, you can still view the old content online with the help of the Internet Archive. Go here [archive.org] and here [archive.org] to see some of the old content.
The Apple Lisa Web Page will return someday, I promise...
--Tom
It's been done before. (Score:4, Interesting)
So this bozo is going about it entirely the wrong way. It's not like its the first time anyone used a Lisa on the net. It's just that there was no HTTP back when the Lisa was new. Most people used UUCP and FTP.
It's not running as a Lisa (Score:4, Interesting)
The Lisa, unlike Macs until the 68030 machines, had an MMU, and hence could support a protected-mode operating system, which it did. So running a server on an original Lisa with the original software wouldn't be unreasonable. (You'd have to implement a TCP stack, probably in Lisa Pascal, but so be it.)
Unfortunately, Motorola was years late with MMU support for the 680x0 line, and Apple had to homebrew their own MMU. This didn't work very well due to limitations of the M68000 (fixed in the M68010, years too late), and added considerably to the parts count and cost. It also required that all Lisa programs be compiled without using register incrementation on instructions that accessed memory, because the 68000 couldn't back those out on a page fault.
Motorola was so close. If only they hadn't been late with the 68K support chips, we might have avoided the whole x86 era.
Okay, someone explain this.... (Score:2, Interesting)
%nslookup
Default Server: uinus.pair.com
Address: 209.68.2.73
> www.lisa2.com
Server: uinus.pair.com
Address: 209.68.2.73
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.lisa2.com
Address: 216.168.224.70
> 216.168.224.70
Server: uinus.pair.com
Address: 209.68.2.73
Name: wf.networksolutions.com
Address: 216.168.224.70
>
Commodore 64 web server (Score:5, Interesting)
For those of you who doesn't remember the Commodore 64, it was a very popular home computer in the 80's and early 90's. It has 64k RAM and an 8-bit 1 MHz 6502 CPU.
The C64 web server is running the small uIP TCP/IP stack [dunkels.com] that is less than 4k large and uses only a few hundred bytes of dynamic RAM. Since it is written in C, it has been ported to numerous other systems such as the 8-bit Ataris and a number of embedded processors such as the Hitachi H8S.
mac lc ii server (Score:1, Interesting)
the server address is http://12.237.66.223/ [12.237.66.223] by the way.
Re:Apple is rewriting history (Score:3, Interesting)
You are getting lost in technical details. The point of the Xerox work was to create a machine with an easy-to-use, intuitive WIMP interface for business and publishing applications. That's what Xerox delivered, and that's what Apple delivered as well.
I'd have to support the original poster -- the Lisa was the first GUI-based personal computer that I recall. Sure, there was one obscure workstation line (from Xerox) that was GUI based,
Why is one company's obscure product (Apple Lisa) any better than another company's obscure product (Xerox workstations) if they both were intended to serve the same purpose?
Apple is a company that does good engineering, good design, and good marketing. Apple created the first commercially successful personal computer with a GUI (the Macintosh). Why isn't all of that enough? Why this obsessive need to create a mythology around that company?
Xerox made history long before Apple existed (Score:2, Interesting)
they were incorp. in 1977 [corporate-ir.net].
While I have a Xerox PARC document that states:
"We have been teaching Smalltalk to children since the Spring of 1974" (Smalltalk in the Classroom by Adele Goldberg)
And on another document (Methods for Teaching Smalltalk, Goldberg & Kay, 1977), there is a picture of what looks like a MacPaint program -- written by a student between the ages of 9 and 15 (granted the program is an extension of code written by adults) up to 3 years before 1977! Note that Mac was originally released (with MacPaint) in 1984!
So you can say that Apple learned a thing or two from junior highschool students (with guidance from Xerox PARC staff) years before Lisa or Mac was available.