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Edward Snowden is ...

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A Hero
  11716 votes / 38%
More hero than villain
  6997 votes / 22%
Ambiguous in intent
  3889 votes / 12%
More villain than hero
  1431 votes / 4%
A villain
  1420 votes / 4%
A fictional character designed to distract us
  2106 votes / 6%
In it for the airline snacks
  2929 votes / 9%
30488 total votes.
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  • Douchebag Hero (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Archangel Michael (180766) on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @09:29AM (#44099845) Journal

    Not really a "bad guy", not really a "hero". He did the right thing, for the right reasons, the wrong way. But then again, I'm not sure there was a better way to do it. Not really ambivalent, but not entirely on his side, and also not on the side of big government.

    It needed to be done (expose the NSA), but then again, it only exposed what everyone with a brain already suspected. I mean really, who is surprised by this revelation?

    • Re:Douchebag Hero (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Creepy (93888) on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @09:45AM (#44099963) Journal

      Yeah, there really was no right way - at least three former NSA people have tried to whistleblow on this without revealing secrets to the press and failed. He certainly didn't commit espionage, as the US charged him with, and rightfully fears for his life as the US is pursuing the death penalty. This is clearly a case of a US agency that is not allowed to spy on US citizens by law breaking the law and the government covering up and saying it is justified. It is not justified, it breaks the law, and violates the fourth amendment.

      IMO, impeach congress, the president, and the NSA and give them all the chair for grossly abusing the Bill of Rights. Yeah, I don't really believe we should be that extreme, but that is essentially what the US government wants to do to Snowden, and it is obscene. If the ever capture him, they will have a kangaroo court and convict him of all charges and give him the chair (due to a badly written, overbroad law written to fight opposition to World War 1), so why not accuse the NSA, congress, and the president of the same? By the same law, they have been committing espionage on us and deserve to die.

    • by wvmarle (1070040)

      Agreed - so for me it was the second option.

      And for surprise, well I'm not surprised that the US government is trying to do this; the shocking part is the huge extend of the program. Especially the parts where they did not only tap US companies, but actively hacked into foreign computers to gather more data from there.

      And what may be a surprise is the complete lack of any concrete results from this massive program, other than the massive amounts of money that have been sunk into it, and the enormous loss of

      • Re:Douchebag Hero (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Archangel Michael (180766) on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @10:46AM (#44100501) Journal

        Them: "We stopped (X) Terrorist acts under this program, we just can't tell you about them."

        Me: "Then, my dear comrade, you didn't stop anything, because without proof, it didn't happen. I cannot accept the word of someone who has lied and mislead me dozens of times"

        The problem is, too few people will actually question authority, at least properly. Them telling me lies and then saying they lied to protect themselves and then lie some more doesn't really cut it. Too bad the press is the lapdog of the Demicans and Republicrats.

    • by jez9999 (618189)

      So if the government puts you in a situation where your only option to help people see the truth is to go against the rules, the only way you can be good is to be a "douchebag"? I suppose if he'd gone to the MSM and they'd hushed it up he'd be "ineffectual" and if it hadn't done anything, well then he wouldn't be a hero.

  • In cahoots with Aeroflot

    • by Dins (2538550)
      Yeah, the thought of a whole plane full of journalists having to go to Havana without Snowden just makes me giggle.
  • cause all we had before was speculation. Now we know what the governments have been up to and hopefully there can be push toward more acceptable reform. Too naive? Oh well. Doomsday it is then. Cheers.
  • Hero (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Reliable Windmill (2932227) on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @10:00AM (#44100103)

    He is a true hero. He put his safety and future, his whole life, on the line for the sake of everyone else so we could get the truth.

    • But then he flees from a country that he exposed secretly spies on its own people, to a country that openly spies on its people.

      This is my problem with his motive. If he did it to take a stand against the US spying on us citizens, than he should not have gone to China to escape punishment. If he did this to show the government is violating the Constitution, than he has shown by where he seeks refuge that he doesn't actually mind a country spying on its own citizens, as long as they don't have a rule against

      • Re:Hero (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Lumpy (12016) on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @11:00AM (#44100641) Homepage

        "But then he flees from a country that he exposed secretly spies on its own people, to a country that openly spies on its people."

        No, you have that incorrect....

        he FLED from a country known for torturing and permanently imprisoning people that go against the current leadership. He knew that computer crime is punished far more severely than murder is. and he knew that with laws signed by Obama, he can be called an "enemy combatant" without any proof and sent away to be tortured for the rest of his life.

        That is why he ran, and I certainly would as well. Only a complete moron would stay where they could be captured, silenced and forced to pay for their insolence every hour of every day for the rest of their lives until they are broken and make a public statement as to how they were evil.

        THIS is the US of A, we happily and openly use torture.

  • Saw this take on one of the tinfoilhatcrazy websites. Snowden is a deep US CIA agent with the task of getting close to Wikileaks and Julian Assange in order to either get Assange out where he can be arrested or make a hit. Sadly, this makes as much sense as anything else - right up there with the "impress the girlfriend" view.
  • None of the above? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    I'm a bit indifferent to Snowden's actions, so I'm not sure if I'd qualify him as either hero or villain. Mostly because I don't think his actions _should_ have had any impact. Anyone who has been paying attention for the past twenty years was well aware that the NSA (and other information gathering agencies) spy on citizens. They've been pretty open about it for a long time. Well, open in the "Of course we can, but we would never do that, wink wink," kind of way. Privacy advocates and the FSF have been war

  • ... with the power to vanish [bbc.co.uk].
  • The link is to an article where Snowden claims he got the job just to do this. That means his oaths taken to get the job were lies. He is just a traitor. There were other means that were legal to expose this program, he could have sent the data to every member of Congress, and acted like a true whistle blower instead of running to China like a thief in the night.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2347691/Edward-Snowden-reveals-took-job-Booz-Allen-gather-information-NSA-surveillance-programs.html
    • Re:Dishonest (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Xest (935314) on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @11:24AM (#44100941)

      If your information is from The Daily Mail then you're already misinformed.

      The Daily Mail is notorious for outright lying to create inflammatory headlines just to sell papers and ad impressions.

      For example, when Tiger Woods had multiple affairs the figure quoted was with 9 women, The Daily Mail took that number and doubled it printing a headline of 18 women for which there was literally no evidence. It was just an outright made up lie to try and make their headline look more juicy than the competitors who had supposedly only unmasked 9 women...

      • by Zocalo (252965)

        For example, when Tiger Woods had multiple affairs the figure quoted was with 9 women, The Daily Mail took that number and doubled it printing a headline of 18 women for which there was literally no evidence.

        Maybe they got a bit confused were counting the holes, after all there's a front 9 and a back 9 in golf...

  • by Control-Z (321144) on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:52PM (#44102113)

    I think what he has revealed needed to be revealed, because Congress, all the 3-letter agencies, and the president seemed to think there was nothing wrong with it.

    But why do we need to know his name? If I were him I would have talked to the reporter and stayed anonymous. And I hope any documents he leaked were absolutely necessary to reveal what's going on, not just wholesale theft/leak of sensitive information like Manning did.

  • by doconnor (134648) on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @01:10PM (#44102327) Homepage

    Many people point out this discussion about Snowden is a distraction from the discussion of the information he reveled. Perhaps the same poll should be done about the NSA.

  • by Ken_g6 (775014) on Wednesday June 26, 2013 @10:01AM (#44111807) Homepage

    I don't know if Snowden is a real hero or not. But you know who is a real hero? Senator Mark Udall, who has been talking about this, legally, for years.

  • by InMSWeAntitrust (994158) on Thursday June 27, 2013 @09:43PM (#44128693)
    "Edward Snowden is not the real news story here"

Make headway at work. Continue to let things deteriorate at home.

 



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