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Apple Files for OLED Keyboard Patent

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Sat Jan 05, 2008 02:22 AM
from the prior-art dept.
pegdhcp writes to mention that Apple has applied for a patent on a 'dynamically controlled keyboard' with OLED keys. This may seem remarkably familiar, since an OLED keyboard has been bandied about by Art Lebedev studios for quite a while now. "while the Optimus Maximus is a bit expensive, Apple could certainly mass-produce something similar for less money, perhaps bringing the price into reality for most users. Lebedev has, however, apparently applied for several patents for the Optimus, so it's unclear just what Apple is up to, or what would happen if the company were ever to release such a product."
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[+] Technology: Optimus Keyboard With OLED Display Keys 540 comments
Koskun writes "What appears to be a Russian design company has on their website a keyboard in which the keys are using OLED to display what function the keys represent. The product is Art. Lebedev Studio's Optimus Keyboard. The uses of this could be amazing. They have pictures of layouts for Photoshop and Quake, as well as a QWERTY and Russian. Here's hoping that this will make it to a production model and not just a design model."
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  • Sure... (Score:4, Funny)

    by denmarkw00t (892627) <megsuma@@@gmail...com> on Saturday January 05 2008, @02:29AM (#21920212) Homepage Journal
    I'd like a keyboard like the Optimus [PRIME!!!!!] but, really, if I paid less because Apple did it a different way, I probably wouldn't be nearly as happy as with the Optimus. I mean, if its anything like a Newton, we amy have evry odd transplations, write?

    Also, first post (hopefully!>)
  • claim 25 (Score:3, Interesting)

    by wizardforce (1005805) on Saturday January 05 2008, @02:34AM (#21920238) Journal
    about the only thing in the patent that may be innovative [that is that hasn't already been done] is claim 25 about their new manufacturing process [or not, it could be obvious in of its self, who knows] other than that, why hasn't this been thrown out yet due to prior art?
    • Of course changing 2006 to 2005 in a research notebook isn't that hard ...
    • about the only thing in the patent that may be innovative [that is that hasn't already been done] is claim 25 about their new manufacturing process [or not, it could be obvious in of its self, who knows] other than that, why hasn't this been thrown out yet due to prior art?

      One family of patents is the process patent. The invention is the manufacturing process, not the item. Whether or not the items manufactured are ordinary is irrelevant.
  • by pcbob (67069) on Saturday January 05 2008, @02:37AM (#21920250) Homepage
    Who ever figures out how to do it more efficiently (patents aren't for ideas, but particular implementation, right?) should be victorious. I'm glad to be on the consumer side on this one, however.
  • by Zymergy (803632) * on Saturday January 05 2008, @02:38AM (#21920254)
    IANAL, but it seems that Art. Lebedev Studio could just negotiate a fat licensing fee for the technology/idea with Apple and both would win from the collaboration...?
    Surely that beats a costly Patent fight?
    What about Prior Art?
    Re: Optimus Keyboard With OLED Display Keys http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/14/1335215 [slashdot.org]
    Re: Optimus OLED Keyboard Pre-Orders Start Dec. 12 http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/19/1911235 [slashdot.org]

    I would love to see this technology in an affordable Laptop/Notebook keyboard. (Particularly one that has open source GPL'd base drivers.)
  • I'll take 2, please. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by cioxx (456323) on Saturday January 05 2008, @02:52AM (#21920328) Homepage
    Art Lebedev managed to scrape together some cash and "released it" before anyone else. Big deal.

    I would never purchase an Optimus keyboard because there is no muscle behind it. They can't mass produce the thing and have been paper launching the keyboard for 2 years now. Imagine getting one and needing quick support like an immediate replacement, or getting really used to the thing and discovering they don't have the money to continue producing it. Apple, Logitech, or Microsoft have the resources to do it.

    Now there is lots of prior art in this area, going as far back as 1978 in monochrome alterable keys. Perhaps Apple patented this as a countermeasure against someone who would try to claim this as an original idea. A differently-worded patent on a new product is better than no patent at all. At least that's my opinion.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Your other comments may have merit but the complaint about mass production and quick support is one I have to take exception to. I mean REALLY, you can't just plug in any old keyboard and keep typing away? If you find some obvious business model around OLED keys that is irreplaceable I would be more sympathetic, but as new as this technology apparently is I don't find that a compelling argument. Time and success of the product will bring the mass production and quick support. Anyone who has ever been in
    • Well, Gee..I wonder why startups offering real tangible products have no other option than to hope for a merger with one of the big boys.
    • A differently-worded patent on a new product is better than no patent at all.

      No patent at all is better. If the product is good, it will sell. If the competition starts making things better and cheaper, that is also good, because that way the consumer gets a better products.

      Patents do not encourage inovation, they block it. Could be that that was different 100 years ago, but it isn't now. Patents are used to block ideas.

      Remember the saying 'I am standing on the shoulders iof giants.'? Patents tell you that

    • I would never purchase an Optimus keyboard because there is no muscle behind it.
      Funny, that. I seem to avoid purchasing products from companies when there's too much muscle behind it. Big companies are too powerful as it is. No Microsoft keyboard for me, for example, I rather spend on a small, promising player.
    • I like Apple's keyboards right now. I haven't really been able to find a faster (to type on), quieter keyboard yet. Easier to clean, too.

      The problems I have are all related to the funny layout Apple's got. The "Super" key is where the alt key should be, so I have to swap those in a keymap -- which isn't working flawlessly, yet, and is a pain on my laptop, where the only way I know of messing with keys like that requires a reboot (or logout/login) to take effect. This means I can either have the Apple keyboa
      • Patents are strictly offensive weapons. The only way that a patent can protect you is if you can threaten to use it against then one that is suing you.
        Ok, you're wrong twice. A) You describe a DEFENSIVE weapon. You're using it to defend yourself, that's not an offensive weapon. B) Patents are both defensive AND offensive weapons. You can threaten or actually countersue based on your portfolio if you're sued for infringement, or you can be the first mover and sue for infringement.
  • by edwardpickman (965122) on Saturday January 05 2008, @02:58AM (#21920356)
    1.Come up with a plan for a keyboard we can't build but is so cool some one will want to.

    2.Sue first company to actually try to build keyboard.

    3.Profit!

    Now wait'll some one tries to knock off Duke Nuke Em Forever!
  • Now maybe they (the A.L. Studio) will get some sence about Apple and the likes. Because they love doing business with them, apparently.
    Notice how they only promise windows and mac support [artlebedev.com] for the keyboard because linux doesn't have enough marketshare:

    Why isnt there any Linux software?
    Because first we want to let 95% of people to work with the keyboard.

    Is there a chance it will support Linux?
    Maybe sometime.

    I hope they feel violated.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Get over yourself. A small company (Art Lebedev) scrapes together some money to produce the most expensive keyboard on the market (hell, who could reasonably justify $1500 for a keyboard?), and then decide to forgo the one market (Linux) containing people who complain when they have to pay for anything, and demand that the source be available for all to rape and pillage? It's been hard enough for A.L. to get Optimus off the ground, let alone pay money for someone to develop a Linux driver for it that no L
  • Apple and IBM (Score:3, Informative)

    by NickCatal (865805) on Saturday January 05 2008, @03:09AM (#21920402)
    Apple and IBM own enough patents to patent every square inch of my kitchen if they wanted... it is called R&D... most of this stuff won't make it to market
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Although, as of about 10 years ago, IBM was pulling in over a billion dollars a year solely in patent license fees. They could have stopped selling hardware, software and services and still pulled in a billion dollars a year.

      I'll bet that number's gone up significantly since then.

  • Publicity Stunt (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Z00L00K (682162) on Saturday January 05 2008, @03:32AM (#21920496) Homepage
    is probably the cause for this - it doesn't matter if there is any substance to the content or if the filing is denied as long as it makes it to the papers - which will provide free advertisement for Apple. "Them guys ain't dumb" [lyrics007.com]

    The irony is that even Slashdot bought it - but maybe I shouldn't be surprised anymore...

    The basic idea about a keyboard that can get programmed to display different text on the keycaps aren't really new - the difference is that the technology is better today. But the use is limited - only a few doing writing in multiple international languages/character sets will really benefit from this in a real keyboard. For ordinary people it's easier to buy a secondary keyboard and switch whenever necessary.

    But in specialized applications the use of programmable keytops may be really useful. Think cash registers and other kinds of devices.

  • by Infonaut (96956) <infonaut@gmail.com> on Saturday January 05 2008, @03:49AM (#21920570) Homepage Journal

    Until you've read the actual claims in a patent, it is impossible to know what Apple is actually attempting to patent. The fact that the description is of an OLED keyboard doesn't mean that prior art will negate the claims any more than the existence of LCD screens would necessarily invalidate a patent on an LCD screen.

    Now to settle in and watch the ill-informed rants about patent law multiply like rodents. Anyone have any popcorn?

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      I've read the claims, and it seems to be a patent application for exactly what people are saying it's a patent application for - keyboards with OLED displays on the keyboard, like the Optimus Maximus. (Actually, it covers slightly more than that - claim 1 is for any computer peripheral with one or more keys containing more than one LED that can be switched on or off. It's not narrowed down to just things like the Optimus Maximus until claim 4.)
  • by slyall (190056) on Saturday January 05 2008, @03:54AM (#21920584) Homepage
    The book Imperial Earth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Earth [wikipedia.org] by Arthur C. Clarke from 1976 featured something similar:

    The 'Sec was the standard size of all such units, determined by what could fit comfortably in the normal human hand. At a quick glance, it did not differ greatly from one of the small electronic calculators that had started coming into general use in the late twentieth century. It was, however, infinitely more versatile, and Duncan could not imagine how life would be possible without it.

    Because of the finite size of clumsy human fingers, it had no more controls than its ancestors of three centuries earlier. There were fifty neat little studs; each, however, had a virtually unlimited number of functions, according to the mode of operation--for the character visible on each stud changed according to the mode. Thus on ALPHANUMERIC, twenty-six of the studs bore the letters of the alphabet, while ten showed the digits zero to nine. On MATH, the letters disappeared from the alphabetical studs and were replaced by X +, / --, = and all the standard mathematical functions.

    Shame on Apple for trying to claim they invented the idea.
  • ...don't expect it to be cheap. And I mean that even if Apple produces such a thing, the Logitech diNovo [logitech.com] is going to seem cheap by comparison.

    Judging by the pictures on this site: Optimus Mini [deadprogrammer.com], the backplane for the full blown 103 key version must be staggeringly complex, not to mention extemely difficult to manufacture within the confines of a standard-sized keyboard. Plus, a regular keyboard must be able to withstand normal typing, unlike the three-button jobbie; you have to wonder at the amount of abuse
  • Epic leet (Score:3, Funny)

    by xx01dk (191137) on Saturday January 05 2008, @04:20AM (#21920680)
    I'm going to run my Optimus in stealth mode [daskeyboard.com].

  • by FlyingGuy (989135) <flyingguy@@@gmail...com> on Saturday January 05 2008, @04:21AM (#21920682)

    IBM made a bit of hardware for the US Navy called the A/N-BQQ5 SONAR system. The main consoles had an array of buttons ( keys if you will ) that called functions and of course changed that actual text that was displayed on each button based upon the current function(s) selected. If memory serves, mind you this was 30 years ago, they had an acronym ( the Military has acronyms for everything ) and it was DROS . This is a link to a site that has a decent photo [si.edu] of the control consoles, Click on the image ( yes unfortunately it will open in a pop-up, sorry its the ONLY photo I can find ) for a larger version. As you can see the three consoles are identical; however, each console could be assigned any function that the system performed. Thus each set of keys displayed text appropriate for the consoles currently assigned function, and sub-functions.

    I rode USS-OMAHA SSN-692 in winter of '78 and USS Los Angeles was commissioned in '76, so given how long it takes to get a bit of hardware like that from IBM in those days, I would imagine those buttons / keys were more then likely developed in the late 60's.

    So there you have your prior art.

    • Now *that* sounds like a good example of prior art related to what appears to be the core unique concept on the Apple patent application. Significantly closer than the Lebedev keyboards, if I understand correctly. MOD PARENT UP!

  • by originalhack (142366) on Saturday January 05 2008, @05:25AM (#21920944)
    This 1984 patent [freepatentsonline.com] kills their first 12 claims and this product [nforcershq.com] shipping in 2005 kills their remaining 13 claims unless you believe that the product had a wiring harness going from an lcd driver not on the keytop down up to the keytop.

    That's all 25 claims dead right there.

  • right. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by apodyopsis (1048476) on Saturday January 05 2008, @06:14AM (#21921110)
    I would imagine the real question is: how large a firm are lebedev and can they afford to see Apple in court to protect their IP?

    ..after all, I find thats the real issue at stake in these weaselesque (is that a word?) situations..
  • by Cloud K (125581) on Saturday January 05 2008, @11:06AM (#21923326) Homepage
    I love how if Microsoft stole ideas from some little innovational business they'd be seen as the scum of the universe, but Apple does the same thing (this and not to forget Konfabulator) and everyone is busy thinking up excuses for how it's perfectly fair.

    OLEDs are rubbish anyway, I have one of those OLED MP4 watches, it got burn-in within mere hours. They also have a ridiculously low MTBF (they'll stay bright for like a year max)
  • Wait... WHAT?!?!? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Khyber (864651) <khyberkitsune@gmail.com> on Saturday January 05 2008, @10:02PM (#21929062) Journal
    while the Optimus Maximus is a bit expensive, Apple could certainly mass-produce something similar for less money

    This is APPLE we're talking about. Mass produce for LESS money? Now I know who's been dipping too far into my stash!
    • I don't see what the innovation is with the entire package/idea. Maybe something in the details, but it seems to be the standard application of new technology (or one going down in price) to an old(er) device.
    • Re:apple fanboys (Score:5, Insightful)

      by bennomatic (691188) on Saturday January 05 2008, @02:48AM (#21920302) Homepage
      Don't forget, it's not just the concept that's patented, but the implementation. Sometimes companies will patent a dozen similar technologies to avoid someone finding a way to easily copy the one version they actually want to sell. I recall reading (in a book about IP called "Rembrandts in the Attic") that when Gillette came up with the "Sensor" razor, they patented several methods that they thought competitors might be able to simulate their new product.

      Maybe there's something unique and non-obvious about their method of implementing the "dynamic keyboard" idea. Maybe there isn't, and they are just doing what big, ugly businesses do. Maybe they're really trying to purchase or license the Lebedev technology, and this is a bargaining technique.

      But to think that a patent can't be valid and innovative just because someone has a similar product is a fallacy; it could be done in an entirely different way. Should the inventor of the rotary engine been denied a patent because there were other gas-burning engines on the market?

      • Re:apple fanboys (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Hellad (691810) on Saturday January 05 2008, @03:35AM (#21920508)
        Immediately, it strikes me that Apple will create context specfic layouts. The machine will know when you are playing quake, or using garage band (or whatever) and give you the correct keyboard layout automatically. I am not sure if Optimus was set up to do this already, but it seems like an obvious choice for Apple who controls both the hardware and software.
        • Re:apple fanboys (Score:5, Insightful)

          by bennomatic (691188) on Saturday January 05 2008, @04:23AM (#21920688) Homepage
          Correct. A loose definition of prior art would include anything in the public sphere of knowledge which has anything to do with the invention being considered for a patent. As such, things like a mouse's scroll wheel and track balls would be considered when evaluating the scroll ball on the Apple mighty mouse.

          My father invented a simple, cheap, solid-state radiation detector that can be embedded in devices that is being purchased and licensed by major technology organizations (GE, Siemens, Lawrence labs). Prior art includes all technology associated with the detection of radiation. However, with all the geiger counters and such, nobody had recognized the possibility of, as it were, inserting tab A into slot B and using it as a radiation detector. He did, and he patented it, including several variations. Just because there is prior art doesn't mean something can't be patented.

          When my father was going through the first round of the patent process, he learned that there is a delicate balance between broad protection and specificity that goes on with every application. If you define your product to broadly (i.e. it's a radiation detector, period), then your request will be rejected because everyone and their brother has invented a radiation detector. If you define it too specifically (think of a cooking recipe), though, people can learn from your patent and easily copy your work while carefully avoiding enough of the details to avoid a lawsuit. If your patent says that what makes your detector unique is the inclusion of four micrograms of adamantium, well then, all a competitor needs to do is add five grams, and they've got a different product.

          Neither extreme is a good one. One is denied because it claims too much, and one is overly specific and doesn't protect enough. The key is to find a comfortable middle ground, and then patent variations to ensure that competitors won't do the same.

          I haven't read the whole patent on the Apple keyboard, but it seems to me that there is at least one significant difference between the Lebedev device and the Apple concept, and that is that the keyboard would change dynamically, in real time, i.e. to present contextual controls based on what you are working on. That's very different from the other keyboard, which, as I understand it, is designed to be an all-one-profile or all-another-profile configuration (i.e. go into your Preferences pane and select Russian, and they keyboard will change). Long before Lebedev, there were custom stickers you could put on your keyboards i.e. to type dvorak instead of qwerty. OLED is cool, but if you're looking for prior art, in this implementation, OLED is just expensive stickers. I'd rather spend my $1500 on having the two or three keyboards I might actually need, along with a couple of spare terabyte drives with the left over money.

          Here's an idea that has lots of prior art, but may be patentable. I present it here, in hopes that nobody has invented it. The parameters are:

          • It's a computer keyboard.
          • It's wireless.
          • For the sake of this thread, it's got dynamic displays on the keys.
          • It does not accept batteries, but only has a capacitor for holding charge.
          • Under each key, instead of a spring, there is a small flywheel device and ratchet mechanism which allows the keys to return to their original positions after being pressed.
          • The flywheels are composed of magnetic material and as they spin, they pass through carbon nanotube coils, generating power stored in the capacitor.
          • Additional power could be pulled from heat and electricity from the typist's fingers/hands.
          • And there you have it, the world's first self-winding, er, self-powered wireless keyboard.

          There's lots of prior art for different elements of this invention, but unless someone has put them all together the way I have, and patented it, well, if I can build it, I could probably patent it, and rightly so. But one weakness is the specificity of the fly

            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              If anyone actually went to the patent (I know, I know, I must be new here...) they would find that the patent itself has several claims that are clearly patenting an implementation of a keyboard like the Optimus - something which is, as far as I know, explicitly what a patent is allowed to do. For example, the patent has claims related to displaying large images across several keys, relating to the way in which data is transferred from computer to keyboard and manufacturing the keys.
              Now, it may still be th
          • From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

            Prior art (also known as or state of the art, which also has other meanings) in most systems of patent law constitutes all information that has been made available to the public in any form before a given date that might be relevant to a patent's claims of originality. If an invention has been described in prior art, a patent on that invention is not valid.

            I don't see a black and white contradiction with what GP said... But I'd be glad to listen if you can come up with one
            And let's not forg

            • It seemed to me as well that the "It's called PRIOR ART" comment was intended to imply the contradiction. You are correct that it's not black and white; I'd be interested to see that poster come back and explain if they meant it differently.

              And you are also correct that ad hominem attacks are inappropriate and ineffectual when trying to persuade. It's a pity that the GP--who had an otherwise good comment--fell into that trap. Kudos to you for responding to that in a wholly appropriate manner.

              • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                So... this [screenkeys.com] doesn't count as prior art because the data-sheet states:

                To control the display only a clock and data line (synchronous data transfer) as well as Vcc and GND are required.

                Where as claim 10 and 11 [uspto.gov] states:

                10. The computer peripheral of claim 1, wherein the application specific integrated circuit has only two electrical connections to the peripheral.
                11. The computer peripheral of claim 10, wherein a first electrical connection provides a power and a data signal and wherein a second electrical co

    • I wish one day Ars and Slashdot make such a news about some big bully which had kicked you in the face a thousand times, just to see the comments. Then two days later tell it was actually about Mother Theresa, who has a history of trying to do good deeds.

      There. Fixed it for you.

      Jokes aside, it would be funny if there were an editorial change after the comments thus far to say that this was a Microsoft filing, not an Apple filing. Just the reverse of what you suggested, but probably equally funny. Tha