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OS X Leopard Ships On October 26th

Posted by Zonk on Tue Oct 16, 2007 09:04 AM
from the big-cat-in-my-laptop dept.
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David in AZ writes "According to the Apple website, Mac OS X Leopard will start shipping on October 26! From their blurb: 'Packed with more than 300 new features, Mac OS X Leopard goes on sale Friday, October 26, at 6:00 p.m. at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers, Apple announced today. And, beginning today, customers can place pre-orders on Apple's online store. "Leopard, the sixth major release of Mac OS X, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $129.""
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  • The student edition is now $47 more (Score:5, Informative)

    by antifoidulus (807088) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:07AM (#20994899) Homepage Journal
    It used to be that for software anyway, the student discounts represented a significant savings, which was great for poor college students. But starting with iWork and iLife it seems that the student discount is only about 10%. So whereas Tiger cost $69 for the edu version, Leopard costs $116.....

    • Re:The student edition is now $47 more (Score:5, Informative)

      by VCAGuy (660954) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:29AM (#20995273)
      I think it still is, though it appears that Apple has reduced the places where you can get those steep discounts at...their online "Education" store pricing is higher than it used to be, but since they don't bother with compliance checking, I think I can understand why. I attend UCF, and a quick check of our computer store's ordering page shows that Tiger (M9639Z) is $69, and that Leopard (MB021Z) will also be $69. iWork '08 cost me just $39...a quick check of a another Florida university's computer store showed the same pricing.

    • Re:The student edition is now $47 more (Score:4, Funny)

      by Applekid (993327) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:34AM (#20995369)
      I've never really understood the student discount thing. If they can afford to sell things significantly cheaper than full retail, why not just apply it across the board?

      I just can't separate that from price discrimination against those not in school.

      Ooh, wait.
      1) Create fake school.
      2) ???
      3) PROFIT

        • Re:The student edition is now $47 more (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Crizp (216129) <chris@eveley . n et> on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:29AM (#20995265) Homepage
          If that works for you; fine. Some of us, though, have grown tired of fucking around with flaky wireless drivers, bad 3D support for new gfx cards etc. But we still like to be able to go to the core via the command line when necessary. We just usually like to get work done.

          So get over yourself, it obviously isn't for you. And before the "Linux noob" comments come; my servers are Slackware and have been since at least ten years ago.

                • Re:The student edition is now $47 more (Score:4, Informative)

                  by Space cowboy (13680) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @11:26AM (#20997361) Journal
                  What a load of tosh.

                  Any utility you can get on Linux, you can get on OSX by a recompile. The most popular are as far away as 'sudo port install XXXX'. And you get rsync, tar, bzip2, ssh as standard anyway. As a technical OSX user, I've been using ssh/rsync for a while now, but it's way way over the head of my parents, and they want their digital photos (with which to bore their guests) just as much as I want my '~/src' directory.

                  Not to mention that 'Apple Backup' has been around for ages. Does incremental/full backups, even off-site to .mac. Optionally uses spotlight to come up with what to back-up; Time-Machine is *still* far better because it's generational, and access to those generational copies is so easy.

                  Some fact-checking required before you spout off about "the fact of the matter", methinks.

                  Simon.

        • Re:Bittorrent edition a non starter... (Score:4, Insightful)

          by mr_josh (1001605) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @11:19AM (#20997225)
          Bull. Apple isn't wasting their time looking for pirated copies of the OS during service. PLEASE cite an example of someone being turned away for having an illegitimate copy of the OS. For that example, please cite a way of determining what is a pirated copy of the installed OS.

      • That sucks, but it's not Apple's fault. (Score:5, Informative)

        by Kadin2048 (468275) * <slashdot@kadin.xoxy@net> on Tuesday October 16 2007, @12:38PM (#20998599) Homepage Journal
        You do realize that 298 of those 1195 SEK are tax [nationsencyclopedia.com], right? So subtracting that out, you get a real price of 897 SEK, which is only 68 SEK more than the US price, or about $10.60 USD.

        I doubt that you'd be able to order a US version and have it shipped to Sweden for less than $10 in shipping.

        Seems like a pretty fair price to me. Maybe you should vote for politicians who support lower taxes if you don't like it?

      • Re:The student edition is now $47 more (Score:4, Informative)

        by Kadin2048 (468275) * <slashdot@kadin.xoxy@net> on Tuesday October 16 2007, @12:47PM (#20998741) Homepage Journal

        I'll just get Leopard with a new Mac sometime in the distant future and put it on my older machines then.
        This won't work. Although Apple doesn't do serialization or verification, the discs that come with a computer are different from the retail box versions of the OS. They're not the crummy 'software restore' discs like you get with some PCs -- they do have a regular OS installer on them -- but the installer is fixed so that it looks for the machine ID and refuses to run on a different model computer.

        The retail versions, by contrast, will run on any machine that's listed as capable of running the software. (Which sometimes is slightly different than the machines that are *actually* capable of running the software; Apple specs systems that are capable of running the OS comfortably, but some people have found acceptable results after forcing it onto older machines.)

        If you wait around until the next paid-upgrade OS release though, you can get the older version, in retail packaging, quite cheap. Either eBay or some of the used-Mac stores like Smalldog regularly have new-old-stock retail OS packages.

  • Macbooks (Score:3, Interesting)

    by BiggerIsBetter (682164) <richard@vem s . c o .nz> on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:08AM (#20994927) Homepage
    Does this mean that Macs sold after this date come with Leopard pre-installed as well?

  • Let's see (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Centurix (249778) <mrjolly&optusnet,com,au> on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:12AM (#20994975) Homepage

    "According to the Microsoft website, Windows Vista will start shipping on October 26! From their blurb: 'Packed with more than 300 new features, Windows Vista goes on sale Friday, October 26, at 6:00 p.m. at Microsoft's retail stores and Microsoft Authorized Resellers, Microsoft announced today. And, beginning today, customers can place pre-orders on Microsoft's online store. "Vista, the nth major release of Window, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Bill Gates, Microsoft's CEO. "And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $600.""


    hmmm...

  • Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Thyamine (531612) <thyamine@of d r a g o n s.com> on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:12AM (#20994991) Homepage Journal
    I find it interesting (and funny?) that all these years I've had a PC (built myself, not from Dell or such) and never once purchased a copy of Windows or felt bad about it. Now that I've had a Macbook Pro for 5 months, and have been so happy with it, I'm eagerly awaiting Leopard so that I can actually buy it.

    I'm trying to avoid the whole fanboy thing, but it's hard to not like it. I mean, the pricing of the hardware is certainly high, but once you dive it it's quite nice.

    • Re:Interesting (Score:5, Funny)

      by BladeMelbourne (518866) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:17AM (#20995059)
      Wait until you ditch OS X and install Linux... you will need tissues and moisturiser.

    • Re:Interesting (Score:5, Insightful)

      by itsdapead (734413) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:56AM (#20995737)

      I find it interesting (and funny?) that all these years I've had a PC (built myself, not from Dell or such) and never once purchased a copy of Windows or felt bad about it. Now that I've had a Macbook Pro for 5 months, and have been so happy with it, I'm eagerly awaiting Leopard so that I can actually buy it

      Apple are not perfect - they have priorities and make assumptions that may not suit everyone. They tend towards a "closed" PC-as-appliance mentality, and would probably be just as monopolistic as MS if they could get away with it. They over-hype things. Sometimes they just plain screw up...

      but...

      ...you at least get the impression that you have been deprioritised, locked-in, monopolized and possibly screwed by someone with some sort of vision making an intelligent and possibly risky effort to turn out a better product rather than a committee of PHBs and marketdroids taking input from a focus group.

      Also, Apple have managed to take UNIX and wrap it in a genuinely friendly GUI front end, c.f. KDE/Gnome/X who have taken Linux and wrapped it in a usable but clunky and over-engineered GUI that is still suffering from its ancestry as a way of letting Unix geeks run 8 simultaneous instances of their favorite CLI shell in translucent windows.

      • Re:Interesting (Score:4, Funny)

        by Eli Gottlieb (917758) <eligottlieb@nOspaM.gmail.com> on Tuesday October 16 2007, @10:17AM (#20996131) Homepage Journal

        ...you at least get the impression that you have been deprioritised, locked-in, monopolized and possibly screwed by someone with some sort of vision making an intelligent and possibly risky effort to turn out a better product rather than a committee of PHBs and marketdroids taking input from a focus group.
        So where Microsoft is merely an evil corporation, Apple is a cult.

  • Best upgrade? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by p00n0s (1117823) * on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:16AM (#20995045)

    "Leopard, the sixth major release of Mac OS X, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Steve Jobs
    Well they wouldn't get far claiming it to be worst upgrade they've ever released...

  • Damn, "Time Machine" sounds cool... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by nweaver (113078) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:21AM (#20995129) Homepage
    http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html [apple.com]

    Automatically hourly incremental backups to an external disk, with everything done readable in the filesystem as simlinks so you can look at arbitrarily hour-snapshots for the past day, day snapshots for the past month, and weekly snapshots thereafter.

    COOL!

  • 300+ features... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Techguy666 (759128) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:22AM (#20995137)
    Here's a list of all the new features: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html [apple.com]

    I'm praying that it's not just more bloat like Vista. It seems like Leopard is good on paper, better Boot Camp for those who still need Windows; better iCal for the people who use their Macs for organizing their life; Instruments, Core Animation, Unix certification, built-in Sandboxing for programmers; and other doodads for Joe-user such as a cooler Photobooth... But then, do I need my address book to make calls to Google Maps or the OS-wide dictionary to reach out to Wikipedia? Those last two are cool but I get worried when my "OS experience" is tied in anyway to whether I have network or Internet access.

      • Re:300+ features... (Score:5, Informative)

        by ceoyoyo (59147) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @11:35AM (#20997515)
        A lot of the new features (mostly the ones that aren't hyped on the main page) are specifically for developers. It's been that way with most of the OS X releases -- the best features are actually for developers. From memory there's full 64-bit support, CoreAnimation (CoreImage, released with Tiger, was a great tool for developers), a Dashboard development tool and Objective-C 2.0.

        All of the new developer toys are nicely exposed through well thought out APIs, with free documentation and were announced two years ago and a pre-release of the OS made available a year ago so developers could get a jump start.

        Apple has to put a few nice Joe Public features in the new OS so people will upgrade to it so there's a bigger market for all those third party developers.

  • Wikipedia built in... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Vokkyt (739289) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:26AM (#20995227)
    From the Dictionary Section:

    "Wikipedia in Dictionary

    Harness the power of Wikipedia when you're connected to the Internet -- built right into it's Dictionary. You get a great Mac OS X user interface with super-fast searching and beautifully laid out-results."

    From the Parental Controls:

    "Wikipedia Content Filter

    Limit access to profanity in Wikipedia."

    Huh...interesting.

  • language distortion field? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by drjzzz (150299) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:28AM (#20995251) Homepage Journal
    The "Technology [apple.com]" highlights include:

    Bonjour
    Holisticly provide access to ethical communities vis-a-vis client-focused

    That's it, just a string of buzzwords, not even grammatical, followed by a link to "learn more [apple.com]". Somebody attended too many marketing or web2.0 presentations. Or maybe they want to put the mystery back in. Turns out, it automagically configures an "instant network". The intro is curious. Does the "ethical community" description mean that security sucks?

    • Re:language distortion field? (Score:4, Informative)

      by spiffyman (949476) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @12:29PM (#20998437) Homepage
      Just checked, and it's been fixed:

      Bonjour
      Network your computers and smart devices instantly.
      Meanwhile, Bonjour is nothing new [wikipedia.org]. It's just a Zeroconf implementation, and it's been around since 2002 [wikipedia.org], so the marketing droids likely aren't at fault.

      I think it's pretty clear that the culprit was some kind of filler text on a template or a joke. This is probably the web team's fault and no one else's.

  • Translucency is so overrated (Score:4, Insightful)

    by tjstork (137384) <tbandrowsky@might y w a re.com> on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:30AM (#20995277) Homepage Journal
    If translucency were so great in the real world, we would be printing on onion skin and writing on glass things. But I think translucency is more to show that they can do something in 3d, done by people that have no real vision as to what to do with it.

    • I find your lack of vision disturbing (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Shadowlore (10860) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @10:26AM (#20996287) Homepage Journal
      And you've done what, exactly, with it? Your vision is where?

      Just because you don't do things such as writing on translucent materials or glass things doesn't mean the rest of us don't. Not all technology is for every person. For example, those who actually build things by hand (quilters, seamstresses, wood workers, metal workers, etc.) quite frequently use translucent or clear materials for patterns, templates, and sometimes finished products. How about clear measuring cups? I've seen chefs use clear containers and mark various levels and information on them using erasable markers. Then there is the clear surfaces with map inlays used by tactical planners and tac-rooms. In the Army, decades ago, we would use clear or translucent materials over maps to create different plans and routes, and lay them over various maps. Oh, and waaay back in elementary, junior, and senior high school, and lo even in college, transparencies were used in classrooms with overhead projectors. I've seen the use of transparent or translucent overlay "technology" used in the real world by police, firefighters, medical personnel, construction crews, demolition crews, surveyors, etc..

      So since many of us DO use it, translucency (or transparency by your reference to glass) by your own argument IS great, and you simply lack the vision to make use of it, right? It isn't translucency that is overrated, it's your post.

  • New Systems or just OS upgrades? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by failedlogic (627314) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:40AM (#20995453)
    I follow some of the Apple 'rumor' sites. Curiously there are no known updates on the Mac Pro and the Mac Book Pro seems to be rumored for an upgrade in the Winter. Apple seems to be weaning off the Mac Mini (as I hear the Mini has had poor sales). It seems new hardware will have Leopard included but will not be upgraded.

    Consider most iMac users will *require* an enclosure if they want to use Time Machine as it will only work with an add-on drive and not on the system disk.

    This leaves me to ask, will we see a go-between on the Mac Pro and the iMac? I'd really love to see a lower cost tower than the Mac Pro. Expandable hard drive bays, upgradable video card and an extra DVD drive in the same case would be most welcome. My iMac G5 is in need of replacement and the footprint of the system when I account for the external DVD and dual-HDD enclosure doesn't make it seem as worthwhile for space saving.

  • 26th October... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Tim Browse (9263) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @10:41AM (#20996547)

    ...was the day Doc Brown [imdb.com] completed the first test of his Time Machine. [apple.com]

    What a bunch of geeks.

  • But can it copy more than 16,400 files? (Score:5, Funny)

    by DaveM753 (844913) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @02:40PM (#21000511) Homepage
    ...or does that cost extra?

  • How about the Java 6 Version? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by puppetluva (46903) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:45PM (#21005321)
    I don't want the ultimate version, I'd just like the late-2006 JDK 6 version.

    You know, the "I wish I didn't regret buying a mac for Java development version". The one on the shelf next to the "Boy I'm glad I didn't donate my old Linux thinkpad since its all I have for Java 6 development" version.

    My mac is great -- unfortunately I don't get to turn it on much these days.

    Same old story. . .
    1) Apple starts doing great
    2) Profit!!!
    3) Apple gets really egotistical and forgets that other developers exist. (And thinks that archaic languages like Pascal and Objective-C are the only games in town. While coming up with some platforms external developers can't code at _all_ for like the iPhone, early Newton, etc.)
    4) ???
    5) Struggle for a few years and almost die!
    6) Repeat

    I wish they'd "Think Different" this time. Here's what I would suggest.

    1) Support cross-platform development languages so developers could choose their platform (think Java) above others.
    2) Support cross-platform standards for documents like Oasis/open-office formats instead of the egotistical AppleWorks, ClarisWorks, Pages hubris. That way they don't almost die when Microsoft decides not to upgrade Microsoft Office for 8 years or so.
    3) Support developers that develop for their devices instead of handcuffing them with bogus languages on their main platform (languages that no-one knows or cares to know in the general industry) or worse, disable them from writing real apps like on the iPhone.
    4) Make laptops that don't burn the users' genitals.
    5) Be less secretive about things that aren't new features and don't need to be secrets. (Like APIs, and platform development - like JDK development).
    6) Listen to the users even _after_ they get popular. It seems they score huge points with users after creating stuff the users want, then they completely ignore them for years until it is too late.

    I like Apple, I don't care for the Red Sox. I want Apple to stop playing like the Red Sox.

    • Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by CommandNotFound (571326) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:12AM (#20994973)
      I wouldn't exactly call this 'bashing'. More of a jab. With six version of Vista, MSFT pretty much walked into that punchline.

    • Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by timeOday (582209) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:22AM (#20995157)

      Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity?
      Being mainly a linux user I don't understand your reference (something about "ultimate"?) - however, I do think the artificial limitations on most versions of Windows are very annoying. Somebody at Microsoft actually went to extra effort to restrict you to only 5 network connections. Or the fact that only one remote user can log in at once. It's just very, very Lame.

    • Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by value_added (719364) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:23AM (#20995171)
      Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity? Is it to pander to Apple fanbois?

      Because it's an easy and slow moving target?

      I don't recall how many versions of Vista exist, and have given up trying to keep track of what is wrong generally with Vista, but if late night talk show hosts were more technically inclined, I'd wager there would be as a steady stream of jokes about Vista, at least as many as there are about embarassing celebrity goofups and blunders of the day.

      So laugh. It's funny. Hell, I don't even own a Mac, and I'm laughing. But I doubt I'm alone in saying that I am paying close attention in anticipation of my next computer purchase.

    • Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by stuntpope (19736) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:31AM (#20995317)
      It's just competition, doesn't annoy me. Fairly standard practice for a company to say, "unlike the competition, our product does this", especially when you are not the market leader. Market leaders are assumed to be the best, so competitors have to knock them down a notch and challenge the assumptions. Look at Ford's recent ads. Guy pulls up at night next to a competing product, and starts going over all the ways the Ford is better than the other car. Mazda has an ad where a Toyota owner is ridiculed for going the "normal" route of buying a Corolla, instead of the "more feature-full" Mazda. Hey, I managed to get a car analogy in here!

      And "The Steve's" point is spot-on. With Apple, you don't have to decide between levels of product like you do with Windows. Home Basic? Home Premium? Ultimate? Apple is saying they designed an OS with lots of new features, and you get all those features if you buy the product. Simple as that.

      • Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (Score:5, Informative)

        by Jaxoreth (208176) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:20AM (#20995111)

        Why does it cost me so much for a point release is what I want to know and why aren't people lambasting Apple for such?
        Because it's a major upgrade, not a point release.

      • Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (Score:5, Informative)

        by Apple Acolyte (517892) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:26AM (#20995213)
        In order to maintain the longevity of the OS X name, full milestone upgrades of OS X are called point releases. People lambaste OS X for that numbering convention, as if OS X milestone releases are not as significant just because Apple isn't moving the first digit of the version number with each release. It's a really stupid critique, FWIW.

      • Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Experiment 626 (698257) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @10:02AM (#20995845)

        Why does it cost me so much for a point release is what I want to know and why aren't people lambasting Apple for such?

        It's not like charging for a "point release" is unique to Apple. Microsoft did so for the upgrades from Windows 3.0 to 3.1, and from Windows NT 5.0 (Windows 2000) to 5.1 (Windows XP). The thing that determines whether it is worth it to users is what new functionality they get for their money, not which digit of an arbitrary numbering scheme some guy in the marketing department decided to increment.

      • Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (Score:5, Informative)

        by RogerWilco (99615) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @10:57AM (#20996837) Homepage Journal
        Microsoft does the same and sometimes Windows point releases cost as much or even more:

        Windows 3.0/3.1/3.11

        Windows 4.0 a.k.a. Windows 95
        Windows 4.03 a.k.a. Windows 95 OSR2
        Windows 4.1 a.k.a. Windows 98
        Windows 4.9 a.k.a. Windows ME

        Windows NT 5.0 a.k.a. Windows 2000
        Windows NT 5.1 a.k.a. Windows XP
        Windows NT 5.2 a.k.a. Windows 2003

        And the gaps in release dates of the above aren't a lot different from the OS X ones, maybe a bit larger (1.5-2 years vs. 1-1.5 years) and they have some clever naming system since 1995, but then so does Apple (Panther, Tiger, Leopard)

    • Re:problem is... (Score:5, Informative)

      by spud603 (832173) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:22AM (#20995151)
      There's a lot that was done on the base level that will improve general usability. Finder is fixed (we hope). It's UNIX compliant now. Better use of 64-bit and multi-core processors.
      Also, some of the "eye candy" will be very useful: easy backup and multiple desktops built in (I've been using a 3rd-party solution [berlios.de] for this for a while now that works remarkably well, but has a number of glitches).
      I'm not beating down the door for 10.5, but I am looking forward to some of its conveniences.

    • Re:SLOW (Score:4, Informative)

      by Blahbooboo3 (874492) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @09:52AM (#20995669)
      You likely have too little ram (let me guess, a pathetic 512mb stock right?). Bump it up to 2gb, and the Mini will be great.

      • Re:Cocoa Regular Expressions (Score:4, Informative)

        by larkost (79011) on Tuesday October 16 2007, @01:11PM (#20999107)
        I am going to second this. There are a lot of great RegExp libraries available for Cocoa that have some great developers behind them. The shining one to me would be OmniGroup's OFRegularExpression (http://www.omnigroup.com/developer/). It has an easy license to work with, and is easy to embed in a project. Why should Apple spend resources trying to rebuild what is already there (or spend money updating it) when OmniGroup already has an interest in keeping it up-to-date?

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