Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

News for nerds, stuff that matters

Slashdot Log In

Log In

Create Account  |  Retrieve Password

UK Street Crime Rise Blamed on iPods

Posted by timothy on Thu Jul 20, 2006 07:14 AM
from the disarmed-populace-has-nothing-to-do-with-it dept.
CNET reports that the British Government today attributed the country's 22% rise in street crime to iPod robberies. This has hit CNET close to home. Guy Cocker, a CNET (Gamespot) journalist based in London, was mugged last week. The muggers held 'a semi-automatic weapon to the back of Cocker's head and told him, "we're taking all your stuff"'. CNET's solution to the problem is suggestions on how to conceal your iPod from attackers. These include 'The gaffer tape method,' 'The Coke can method,' and 'The Christopher Walken method.'
+ -
story
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
 Full
 Abbreviated
 Hidden
More
Loading... please wait.
  • by JamesP (688957) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:16AM (#15748874)
    wthout those baaad baaad guns this would have never happened!

    Oh wait...

    • by Steve Cox (207680) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:35AM (#15748968)
      In this particular case he didn't actually see a gun, he only thought it felt like a gun. Presumably there wasn't one involved because only a complete loon would chase after the muggers.

      The number of guns (and related crime) in the UK is steadily increasing year on year, however thankfully the numbers are still small. The lack of guns in the UK might go some way to explaining the fact that 'only' (ie still far too many) 46 gun related murders occured last year (that figure comes from the same report) in the whole of the UK.

      Steve.
      • by Azarael (896715) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:56AM (#15749085) Homepage
        That isn't bad, even in Canada where we are 100X less gun happy then in the US (I don't think I know any Canadians who own a pistol), there are close to 46 gun murders just in Toronto (100> murders altogether) per year. Law enforcement agencies seem to suggest that much of this is gang related though, I'm not sure how much of a problem that is in England.
        • by 0123456 (636235) on Thursday July 20 2006, @08:08AM (#15749158)
          Why is being murdered with a gun somehow worse than being murdered by having your brains smashed out of your skull with a blunt object? There are far more crimes committed with guns in the UK today than there were a century ago when anyone could buy a gun over the counter and anyone with ten shillings to spare could get a permit to carry one, no questions asked.

          The simple fact is that British people murder each other less than most other countries, regardless of what weapons are used. Guns are irrelevant.
          • by Ginger Unicorn (952287) on Thursday July 20 2006, @08:18AM (#15749218)
            there were less people living here 100 years ago, and i would think the crime statistics figures from that period would have questionable reliability so you cant really make a sweeping statement like that. also different things were illegal then, so saying there are more crimes being comitted today might not be an indication of a more confident criminal, but perhaps there are more laws to break.

            plus, you can't hold up a bank with a blunt object, you cant kill people at (much of) a distance with a blunt object, and you cant take out a room full of unarmed people with a blunt object.

            if the american gun lobby is so sure that giving the general population guns will stop the government misbehaving, why isnt anyone storming the whitehouse with uzis, taking out the unelected emperor that stole control of their country 7 years ago?

            • by operagost (62405) on Thursday July 20 2006, @08:51AM (#15749467) Homepage Journal
              if the american gun lobby is so sure that giving the general population guns will stop the government misbehaving, why isnt anyone storming the whitehouse with uzis, taking out the unelected emperor that stole control of their country 7 years ago?
              Because the average gun-owning American is better informed and more level headed than the average Slashdot troll.
              • by thatguywhoiam (524290) on Thursday July 20 2006, @10:32AM (#15750168)
                Because the average gun-owning American is better informed and more level headed than the average Slashdot troll.

                No, they are more easily controlled by their gov't, because as long as you give them their precious little guns, they will vote for you and not complain about anything else (mentioning God doesn't hurt either). One good troll deserves another.

                  • by thatguywhoiam (524290) on Thursday July 20 2006, @01:45PM (#15751655)
                    I would like to point out that if BOTH the major parties would respect ALL of the people's constitutionally protected rights then perhaps some of us wouldn't feel the need to stock up for Civil War 2.

                    Man, this makes me laugh every time I see this tired old argument.

                    And I do not say this to mock you. Truly. The concept of keeping the citizenry armed, to keep the government in check.. that's beautiful. I love it.

                    But do you honestly think that if "they" want to come get you, that your guns are going to stop them?

                    Do you know what kind of shit they can deploy? You wouldn't even see them coming! What's your Glock going to do against a sonic array? Or chemical attack?

                    You want to keep guns and shoot them as a hobby, fine, go for it. But don't pretend they give you any extra insurance or autonomy whatsoever against the United States Government; that is a laughable, delusional fiction.

                    (By the way, your Constitution was written at a time when people had to deal with bears on their property, ferfuxsake! It was a fact of life at the time, the need to own a gun. Not so much now. Crime's at an all-time low.)

          • by glesga_kiss (596639) on Thursday July 20 2006, @09:11AM (#15749623)
            The simple fact is that British people murder each other less than most other countries, regardless of what weapons are used. Guns are irrelevant

            Nonsense. Guns make it so easy to kill that any retard can do it. That's the ultimate problem. It's the same interface as a camera; point and click.

            To murder someone with a knife or club you have to:

            1. Have big balls
            2. Get close
            3. Be strong enough to actually do damage
            4. Get covered in your victims blood(!)

            Compare that to shooting someone in the back from 10 foot away. Very easy in comparison. That's why people who cannot fight for themselves love guns. They are the pussies weapon of choice. Mine? Check my username... ;-)

            In terms of damage, dying from a knife wound is rare. You generally need multiple wounds or a lucky shot to a key artery or nerve. For a club you need to literally cave in some part of their body. A gunshot on the other hand will easilly pass through the rib cage into a vital organ. Or get one in the head to almost guarantee a kill.

            America's specific problem is the glorification of them in popular media. Guns are cool apparently. Hell, I'm mostly a pacifist but I'd love to fire off a few rounds on a range if I'm ever stateside. Thanks Hollywood!!

  • Oh I see (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Carthag (643047) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:17AM (#15748889) Homepage
    So it's our jobs' fault for giving us money that can be stolen?

    The fault of car makers that cars get stolen?

    I'm a bit confused.
  • Blaming the iPod? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by blcamp (211756) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:18AM (#15748891) Homepage

    Really, now... is this the fault of the iPod and not the punk-ass thugs doing this crap?

    • by phlegmofdiscontent (459470) on Thursday July 20 2006, @08:20AM (#15749227)
      It's kind of like blaming a rape victim for wearing a low-cut blouse....
      • by BenjyD (316700) on Thursday July 20 2006, @08:22AM (#15749248)
        I think it's mainly confusion on the part of Labour - they just don't seem to know what to do about crime. One set of reforms boosts the importance of probation and attempts to replace long prison terms with better handling of offenders once they leave prison on licence, then the next reforms reverse that. None of it seems to be based on evidence or research, they're just guessing and reacting to whatever the tabloids say.

        My favourite quote that sums up Labour is "Labour see a problem and a headline, and they address the headline".
  • Simple solution (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:18AM (#15748892)
    Replace the earplugs with ones with black cables.
    • by Mr. Underbridge (666784) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:42AM (#15749007)
      Now there's an interesting question there - is the rise in iPod thefts due to the fact that iPods, associated with white earbuds, are more popular and hence worth stealing? Or is it simply because the white earbuds are more visible at night, thus making their owner a more obvious target?
  • Magnets?? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Alicat1194 (970019) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:20AM (#15748893)
    From TFA The Coke can method Get a Coke can, drink the contents, rinse out the can. Carefully cut the lid section off the can. Superglue a small magnet to the inside of the upper lip of the can so that it's flush with the open top of the can.

    a) Aluminium isn't magnetic, it wouldn't hold the can closed

    b) Is it really that good an idea to have a magnet that close to your ipod?

  • by Paperghost (942699) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:20AM (#15748894)
    I was hoping it'd show you how to dance like a maniac then fly off into the sky :(
  • Here's a thought (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DrXym (126579) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:20AM (#15748896)
    How about walking around without listening to music the whole time?
  • 22%?? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Proud like a god (656928) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:21AM (#15748903) Homepage
    98,204 - 90,747 = 7,457 More

    7,457 / 90,747 = 8.2% Rise from the original level

    22%? WTF?
  • by fuyu-no-neko (839858) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:21AM (#15748904)
    As far as I can tell, a big part of the reason for having an iPod is meant to be because it looks stylish. Basically, the whole point is for it to be seen. If you're going to start trying to disguise your iPod, wouldn't it be a better option to just get a cheaper and/or better music player from another company?
  • Weapon? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MichaelSmith (789609) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:21AM (#15748907) Homepage Journal

    Summary:

    The muggers held 'a semi-automatic weapon to the back of Cocker's head

    TFA:

    His assailants held what felt like a semi-automatic weapon to the back of Cocker's head

    For all I know an opened glass coke bottle feels exactly like a semi-automatic weapon when it is pressed into the back of a persons head. The words felt like make all the difference.

    • by ElephanTS (624421) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:51AM (#15749060)
      As a Londoner I'm pretty sure there was no gun involved. This guy was the victim of the classic 'banana in the small of the back' scam as portrayed in so many movies. It can be scary if the guy looks mad enough. Happened to me once, 5 years ago and I never saw the gun - just a 6'4 crackhead. In the end I just walked away with half of me just waiting to be shot in the back. It didn't happen fortunately.

      As someone else said, if you've got a real gun in London you're not jacking iPods with it - you're doing something a little larger in scope. However, I'm not sure that this isn't changing with some younger people - gun crime is certainly increasing.
  • by kripkenstein (913150) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:25AM (#15748926) Homepage
    TFA misses out on the interesting bit of the article:

    "His assailants held what felt like a semi-automatic weapon to the back of Cocker's head"

    Wow, he can differentiate a semi-automatic from a nonautomatic from an automatic, just based on how it presses against the back of his head.

    Note how the Slashdot summary changes things:

    "The muggers held 'a semi-automatic weapon to the back of Cocker's head"
  • by igb (28052) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:41AM (#15748998)
    just as the `mobile phone theft' epidemic was bogus. Reports of the theft of phones rose. But thefts of phones as reported via the British Crime Survey (which interviews a large number of people and asks them what crimes they've experienced) showed essentially no such rise. Conclusion? People who had lost their phone (often not insured, and if you're a child, liable to piss off your parents) or wanted a new one (clearly not insured) were reporting them stolen. Result? A massive rise in reported crime. But when you interview people in a survey, who at that point have no incentive to over-report, the `crime' goes away. It's like the purported rate of burglary (as seen through reported crime) doesn't match the surveyed results: because the police are unlikely to turn up and do a forensic job over the tidy break in that did no damage and just took some consumer durables, it's safe to report even if it didn't happen. Insurance fraud is the crime that even the middle-classes think is victimless.

    ian

  • by countach (534280) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:41AM (#15749003)
    "he hid it in the one place he knew he could hide somethin'"

    I give up. Where??
  • by SpiralSpirit (874918) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:44AM (#15749018)
    Do you blame car thefts on the awesomeness of a car? How about rape on the attractiveness of the victim? Why then would you blame ipods for getting stolen? Blame the criminals.
  • Ipod ppffft (Score:5, Funny)

    by Soupy69 (988115) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:44AM (#15749021)
    See in Scotland we dont have Ipods yet, but ukele and banjo crime has gone through the roof
  • by Brian Stretch (5304) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:45AM (#15749028) Homepage
    Is all this crime the result of shiny inanimate objects or really stupid policies [city-journal.org]?

    One favorite paragraph:
    It is not difficult to guess the reason for the senior policeman's anger. My wife had forced his men to record a crime that they had no intention whatever of even trying to solve (though, with due expedition, it was eminently soluble), and this record in turn meant the introduction of an unwanted breath of reality into the bogus statistics, the manufacture of which is now every British senior policeman's principal task--with the sole exception of enforcing the dictates of political correctness, thereby to head off the criticism levied at them for many decades by the liberal Left--not always without an element of justification. Proving their purity of heart is now more important to them than securing the safety of our streets: and thus Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

    Also, nice to see that gun control laws work the way we Second Amendment supporters said they would.
  • by DigitAl56K (805623) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:48AM (#15749042)

    Here are some of the recomendations from TFA:

    1. Don't wear earbuds, headphones, or use any attachment that might make sound incase a mugger in close proximity detects it
    2. Avoid dressing in black and dancing like a zombie in public [youtube.com]
    3. Be prepared to one-up your semi-automatic carrying attacker [youtube.com] at all times
    4. Wear not one, but an array of bullet proof iPods [businessweek.com] to form a bullet proof iPod vest
    5. Ensure that, for your own safety, your government is monitoring your phone calls. In a post-911 world we must all take additional steps to ensure the iTerrorist threat is neutralized

    If, after following all of the above guidelines, your iPod should happen to be stolen, contact the RIAA as quickly as possible and inform them of all the illegal music you have stored on it, then wait for them to subpeona your assailiant and recover your costs in an out of court settlement.

    • Re:The Solution (Score:3, Informative)

      If muggers knew they could get a cap in their ass, they'd think twice before committing these dastardly deeds.

      No they wouldn't. You see, over here (UK) we have a bill called the Human Rights Act. What it boils down to is that if you commit a crime then you can avoid jail because it's dangerous and infringes on your Human Rights.

      This also means that you could sue the police for shooting you.
    • Re:The Solution (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Bogtha (906264) on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:49AM (#15749046)

      This is must be why this story is about crimes in the UK and no in the US.

      Yeah, because letting people run around with guns really solved the USA's violent crime problem, didn't it?

    • What a shame the UK disarmed their citizenry

      Point 1: We were never armed to start with - this is largely an American idea "the right to bear arms" and is not seen in other parts of the world as a good thing.

      Point 2: Technically we are subjects not citizens. (We have a monarch as head of state not a president)

      • by jcr (53032) <jcr@NOspaM.mac.com> on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:53AM (#15749074) Journal
        this is largely an American idea "the right to bear arms"

        Actually, it's an idea from the English common law, which was preserved in America while England abandoned the traditional rights of Englishmen. Before the suppression of the Jacobites, there wasn't much dispute in Britain that free men are entitled to posess arms for their own defense.

        In America, we wrote it into our bill of rights, because having just overthrown our king about a decade earlier, we decided that placing a monopoly on armaments in the hands of government was a very dangerous idea.

        -jcr
          • by QuantumPion (805098) on Thursday July 20 2006, @09:31AM (#15749745)
            1) Guns as personal protection

            What happens in a fist/knife fight? You can fight, or you can run (well, most of the time). What happens in a gun fight? You let the bullets fly. Shooting first is best, as every cowboy western duel has taught us. Guns are almost a 100% guarantee that more situations will come down to an actual fight, and that more people will be hurt. If they have the drop on you, you're equally SOL if you have a knife at your throat or a gun at your head. Yes, some hardened criminals have guns around here as well - but they're usually after bigger fish than the few dollars in your pocket. Your average street thug or wacko doesn't have a gun - and if they do they're very much so wanted by the police. "Shots fired" actually get real attention here, and with modern communication you can expect the cops to arrive in a timely fashion.

            What happens in a fist/knife fight when it is a 300 lb rapist versus a 100 lb girl? Guns are equalizers, they give anyone, man, woman, elderly, the ability to defend themselves. An armed society is a polite society. Anyone who has a concealed carry permit can tell you that being armed increases ones awareness to not get in such a situation where you might have to defend yourself. Most criminals don't have a death wish and don't want to get shot. Over 4 million times per year, armed citizens use their weapons to defend themselves from criminals. In the vast majority of these cases, the criminal flees once they see their target is armed.

            The world has moved on since the Dark Ages. Your (or any other witnesses) cell phone is a more powerful tool than the gun in almost every situation. There are really extremely few situations where you would have time to pull out a gun, and where the gun would be more efficient than the police. Either you have no time at all and would be shot, or you have run off, barricaded or hidden yourself somewhere and the police will arrive in time. It was a different time when you could be all alone on the farm in the countryside, and noone would help if you screamed off the top of your lungs.

            There are a few problems with relying on the government to protect you. Firstly, the average response time for a 911 call can be 5 minutes or higher. A criminal can mug you, rape you, or break into your house in far less time. If someone attacks you on the street, you won't have time to call 911 and wait for help. The idea that you could run and barricade yourself until the police come to rescue you is both rediculous and dangerous. There have been many cases where someone heard an attacker breaking into their house, they called the police, but they never came. Most famously, in 1981, this happened to three women who were brutally and repeatadly raped [healylaw.com] in their Washington D.C. home because the police never came. They sued the city, but the courts ruled that the police are not required nor responsible to respond or help any invididual, their duty is only to protect the public at large, meaning to catch and punish the criminal after they already robbed/raped/killed you.

            Do you own a fire extinguisher in your home? I assume you do, because it is a tool that can be used to save your life and your property. You could just rely on 911 and call them for even small fires that you could put out yourself. But then again, a small fire could grow and burn your entire house down before the firefighters arrive.

            2) Guns protecting "the people" from the government Sure, a bunch of guys with handguns could be the core of an army in 1776 or thereabouts. Maybe even well into the 19th century. Look around, there's fighter jets, bombers, tanks, artillery, mechanised infantry, machine guns, destroyers and battleships. Hundreds of thousands of men like that died on a single day in WWI, they'd last even shorter today. The closest thing they could mount to a defense would be trying to lead a guerilla war, but they couldn't hold any ground. Any armed revolution that wa

      • by theStorminMormon (883615) <theStorminMormon@gmai l . c om> on Thursday July 20 2006, @07:58AM (#15749102) Homepage Journal
        Poverty does correlate to higher crime rates. So do a lot of things - like lack of education. Poverty and education do not steal iPods, however.

        The GPs point was that even if you have a situation that may be favorable for increasing crime rates, the crimes are still committed by PEOPLE. If you have a libertarian bent, or if you belief in human autonomy at all, then in any given crime you blame the criminal FIRST.

        There's a belief out there that those with a more liberal bent tend to eclipse personal responsibility and act as though being poor somehow makes you less responsible for your own actions - less human. The response from those with a more conservative bent (e.g. me) is that if you're poor you have more to gain and less to lose from crime, but this means you have incentive to commit a crime. Having incentive to commit a crime is not the same as being forced to commit a crime. And so I, and many others, would consider the mugger to be responsible for the mugging.

        So poverty - which creates incentive - really should be listed as a separate issue then the personal responsibility of those who commit the crimes.

        -stormin
        • by vidarh (309115) <vidar@hokstad.com> on Thursday July 20 2006, @08:12AM (#15749185) Homepage Journal
          Well, I'm not "liberal" (whether under the European or US definition - here in Europe "liberals" are far from left wing).

          But that's beside the point - no, you are not being "forced" to commit crimes. However poverty breeds desperation, and desperate people do desperate things.

          That does not mean that they are not responsible. However it's just downright stupid to point the finger at the choices of individual criminals for the crime rates, which is what I responded to. The criminals are responsible for their individual crimes, not "street crime" in general.

          Society is responsible for the conditions that drive these people to make these choices, and poverty is the largest single driver for this kind of low level crime.

          If you want to discuss a single crime, then sure, we can discuss the choices of that criminal. But as long as the issue is street crime in general, the criminals individual choices are not relevant.