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CherryOS is dead! Long live PearPC!

Posted by timothy on Sat May 07, 2005 01:40 PM
from the now-it's-officious dept.
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trygvebw writes "Earlier today, an entry was posted on Arben Kryzeiu's blog, stating that he was stopping development of CherryOS. CherryOS was an application sold by MXS, inc, which was clearly an illegal rip-off of the open-source PowerPC emulator PearPC. CherryOS is dead, long live PearPC!"
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  • great! (Score:3, Funny)

    by croddy (659025) on Saturday May 07 2005, @01:47PM (#12463239)
    now, what about those video codec products that are full of GPL'ed code?
    • Maybe there is a gentlemen's agreement not to bother codec makers about using GPL'ed code if codec makers don't bother users about using illegal codecs with things like VLC.
      • VLC is based in and distributed from contries which do not respect software patents, this is one reason the EU software patent issue is a major problem

  • And what about VX30? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by wan-fu (746576) on Saturday May 07 2005, @01:49PM (#12463247)

    The company still hasn't answered any questions about VX30 (possible GPL violation? [slashdot.org]). Does anyone have news/updates about this?

  • Text of Arben's blog. (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2005, @01:52PM (#12463259)
    The last bite on CherryOS

    I decided that C-OS is not worth the hassle, not now or in the future. C-OS went to work without brushing its teeth or taking a shower, it was not ready.

    Other current open source projects are progressing to the desired product; Qemu will soon support OS X and lead the way. Or maybe I am wrong and someone else will make a fast lead.

    I love my Mac and would never switch back, sure I use my PC for work but that is just a bad habit that I am trying to get rid of. A friend of mine asked me why I am still creating software for Windows and that question is not getting out of my head. Oh yeah, I know - everyone out there who has their certain opinion about me will have their great comment hour right now. Its ok I expect that anyway.

    Now what?

    Don't know and won't know for a while.

    I will go kite boarding or go fishing, get some air before I go back to my beloved square box. Tiger is great, amazing features and I love the hidden details. Don't know how Longhorn is going to compete with this OS now, would love to know what BG has planned for the future of Windows other than the marketing details.

    What will change everything is WIFIMAX, wow it will be the first step into a security nightmare and communication dreamland.

    • Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2005, @02:00PM (#12463298)
      Oh yeah, I know - everyone out there who has their certain opinion about me will have their great comment hour right now. Its ok I expect that anyway

      So you should, scum. Code that I wrote for PearPC was found in CherryOS, and you went along with the bullshit that it was only similar because it "ran the apple code".

      You're a liar and a thief.

      • Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2005, @02:46PM (#12463526)

        You're a liar and a thief.

        He's a liar, a copyright infringer and a plagiarist. He's not a thief.

        I think he's scum too, but that doesn't change the nature of his actions.

          • In order for theft to occur he would have to take something away. He didn't steal anything. He COPIED code from one open sourced GPL project and put it into his closed project. The PearPC project still has all of their code.

            • Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:5, Funny)

              by rogabean (741411) <{moc.liamg} {ta} {regniltsiegr}> on Saturday May 07 2005, @03:11PM (#12463681) Homepage
              Bah another slashdot semantic war over the word "stolen".

              v. stole, (stl) stolen, (stln) stealing, steals:

              1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

              Did he or did he not take property? The code belonged to the developers. He had taken code that belonged to someone and else.

              It's theft of intellectual property. Yes it's plagiarism as well. I consider plagiarism just another form of theft.

              To steal doesn't imply that the victim no longer has something. It states that something was taken from them.

              Bah! it's Saturday and I'm arguing semantics on Slashdot.
              • Ah but if you say that he stole from you then the people that download MP3s, and movies have also stolen. That is not something that people on Slashdot want to hear.
              • According to merriam-Webster

                "1 : to get into one's hands or into one's possession, power, or control: as a : to seize or capture physically b : to get possession of (as fish or game) by killing or capturing c (1) : to move against (as an opponent's piece in chess) and remove from play (2) : to win in a card game d : to acquire by eminent domain"

                In every definition of take there is either a direct requirement or implied requirement that in order to "take" you have to "take away" something. Cut-paste take
              • It's theft of intellectual property.

                There is no such thing as "intellectual property" except as a bad metaphor. Ideas are not the same as real estate or physical objects.

                There are legal entities of copyright, trademark, and patents. Violating these may be illegal, but is not theft, it is infringement of the copyright/patent/trademark.

              • Look it up in Black's Law Dictionary sometime. Theft is generally defined as taking someone else's property with the intent to deprive the owner of its use. No deprivation? Then it's not theft.
                • I don't think of it as a lesser offense. I just consider it still to be a form of thievery.

                  So in most ways we agree. He is a copyright violator.

                  We just disagree on whether copyright violation is another form of theft. /sigh.. ok semantics aside. We are agree he is scum.

                    • Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:4, Interesting)

                      by civilizedINTENSITY (45686) on Saturday May 07 2005, @04:07PM (#12463991)
                      Gotta admit calling someone "scum", followed by "liar and copyright infringer" doesn't have the same emotional impact. It is even almost funny.

                      To the Anon Coward whose code was inappropriately copied, you have my sympathy.
                • Neither the Supreme Court nor the **AAs really define language. The first might define law or interpretation of it, the second is trying to exploit law.

                  The theft vs. copyright infringement it is a matter of splitting hairs, sometimes by people trying to justify what the are doing.

                  The way I can see it is: someone having something that they don't have a legal right to have. To be honest, it sounds like theft to me.

                  Theft doesn't necessarily have to mean depriving the original owner. A person could steal
                  • The way I can see it is: someone having something that they don't have a legal right to have. To be honest, it sounds like theft to me.

                    That is lacking. I can build something in my garage with my tools and my materials that infringes on a patent that I was honestly unaware of. Under the law, I don't have the legal right to have such a thing. Yet what did I "steal" from anyone? You might say that I stole the use of the patent, but as I mentioned, I didn't use the patent -- I unwittingly infringed on it. And
          • Hes a plagerist , though I consider plagerism as reprehensible as theft.
            I suppose though , plagerism could fall under the bracket of theft(pure semantics) .The GPL ideals are about the freedom of the code and about keeping it free .What he did was restrict the freedoms of the code, plagerised the pearPC teams hard work and he did not return any changes he had made .

            Its seems rather silly to me , All he would have needed to do would be to return changes and provide source code .The target audiance are most
      • Smeagol: No, no!
        Gollum: And a murderer!

        Smeagol: ... You win. Go away! Go away.
      • This is always a fun argument. ;)

        The word you're looking for is "plagiariser" or "plagiarizer" probably if you hail from the far side of the pond.

        • Arben Ain't A Kid (Score:3, Insightful)

          by cmholm (69081)
          Whatever he is, Arben Kryeziu ain't a kid. He got himself from Albania, to Germany, and then to Hawaii in search of his fortunes. He met his wife while vacationing in Hawaii. He's an adult who hooked up with a Maui businessman, Jim Kartes, to crank out software and IT services.

          Arben seemed to be doing just fine until he pulled this cheap stunt. I'll bet a lunch at L&L Drive Inn that Jim told Arben to pull the plug on this Cherry thing, once he realized that the bad PR threatened to shit-stain his busine

  • Wasn't ready??? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by waffleman (697097)
    Amazing reasoning for quitting the 'project'. "I decided that C-OS is not worth the hassle, not now or in the future. C-OS went to work without brushing its teeth or taking a shower, it was not ready."

    Apparently, he means that he couldn't dress up an open source project enough before violating the copyright. Strange justification for stopping. Or maybe his potential customer realized that they were dealing with a crook and the 'worth' evaporated.

  • Why isn't the legal case moving forward anyways? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Lead Butthead (321013) on Saturday May 07 2005, @02:14PM (#12463365)
    A license violation is a license violation. Stopping now does not undo the past violations. They did profit from license violation, and that violation must be paid, one way or another.
    • Sometimes its better to just let things go . Sure a case may have ment another Test of the GPL in court , but it would also mean the folks behind PearPC would have less time to hack away at the code.

      With the demise of CherryOS , most likely from the presure of the aligations, We can rest easy for now . It may not be an ideal victory , but a victory non the less

      It atleast shows that the community and the GPL are begining to hold alot more sway .Far better this I say than making a few more lawyers rich off of IP litegation.
      • no, if this thieving and plagerising two-legged sack of crap gets away with his actions, then other companies may feel the potential benefits of stealing open source code and claiming it as their own outway the consequences of discovery. Look at SCO, they not only used GPL code, but then try to extort license fees for and claim ownership of GPL code. This evil has to be nipped in the bud NOW, or the freedoms that open source developers give to the users, and the freedoms we users have will be taken away.
        • I do agree , I just have a rather large aversion to using lawyers .
          I look at it like this..
          He has given into the presure of the community with only the threat of using the lawyers , This says alot about the percived strength of GPL in a legal setting .

          SCO on the other hand struck first attempting to exploit the GPL with patent litegation and license fees, Legal action here was unavoidable and was used (Rightly so).

          Perhaps i am being a little soft here .
          I agree He should be made to comply with the GPL and
  • CherryOS has ripped off a lot of code from pearpc(licenced under the GPL). Shouldn't they be sued regaurdless of weather they plan to distribute it furter? Isn't this just a message saying 'Yeah you can attempt to rip off out code, you can just stop development and not release the source code if you happen to get caught'

    • Re:What about the code they ripped off? (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Ummm... who is gonna sue CherryOS? The developement team on PearPC? I'm sure that it's not worth the cost of a lawsuit. CherryOS is done, finished, kaput; we can all get back to life now that this little episode is over.

    • Re:Shame (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      it only takes a clever delevoper to make it boot Mac OS X. Which would be awesome.

      It would be a much smarter developer who could get Mac OS 9 booting on an emulator. Why bother emulating what's essentially Just Another Unix, when you can run something truly unique and elegant that you can't get anywhere else.
      • Sheepshaver will boot OS9 (up to 9.0.4) and some work has went into getting it booted under PearPC as well.
        • Unfortunately Sheepshaver doesn't run under Windows, and as such it's use is extremely limited.
          • Sheepshaver for Windows [emaculation.com]
            Actually it has been ported! :)
            • Ah, good news. How does it compare speed-wise to PearPC?
              • you can't really compare them. Sheepshaver is more akin to UAE than PearPC. it emulates a motorola 68k core, not a PPC.
                • As the sibling post mentioned, you are incorrect. SheepShaver is a PowerPC emulator, not an '040 emulator. It is plainly visible on the SheepShaver site, and this is of course what allows it to run OS9, a PowerPC-only OS.

                  While SheepShaver presents itself as a MacOS environment, it is plainly says on the site that "There is also a built-in PowerPC emulator for non-PowerPC systems."
      • I thought Mac OS X was a lot more than just another Unix. If I only cared to run Unix, I'd just run some Linux distro on an x86 computer.

        Actually, I do run Linux distros on a couple x86 computers running as servers and other network machines that run Linux, but I control them using a Mac, so I get a great GUI desktop interface and still have compatibility with Unix software.
        • too true , and you can infact run the unix base of OS X on x86 http://www.opendarwin.org/ [opendarwin.org] without the aid of an emulator.
          What i find to be the charm of OS X is the coupling of a great unix core with a charming GUI and the applications therein(naturaly also the frameworks aswell)

          If all you care about is the unix base in os x then opendarwin is progresing steadily ( http://www.xdarwin.org/about/ [xdarwin.org] may also be of intrest)

    • Re:Shame (Score:5, Informative)

      by rogabean (741411) <{moc.liamg} {ta} {regniltsiegr}> on Saturday May 07 2005, @02:09PM (#12463335) Homepage
      On what do you base that PearPC is dead?
      PearPC happens to be very much alive and alot of work is still actively being done on it...
      see: PearPC.net [pearpc.net]
      • But since there hasn't been a release in 8 or 9 months, and only one news post in that time, it IS dead as far as the public is concerned.

        Besides, unless PearPC sees some hefty speed improvements, it won't be terribly useful no matter how "alive" it is. 15x slower than host? At that speed it will be years before PCs are fast enough for PearPC to be used by regular people to run their favourite OSX apps, and by then Apple will have something else out that people will want to run.

        I also don't understand why

        • Re:Shame (Score:3, Informative)

          by rogabean (741411)
          Try a release from my site:

          PearPC Downloads

          I happen to use PearPC on a daily basis and would say that it has achieved somewhere around 10x slower then the host. It is getting faster. True the "official releases" haven't been updated in a while, but I promise you ALOT of work is still going on.

          • Re:Shame (Score:3, Informative)

            by rogabean (741411)
            PearPC Downloads [90megs.com] (oops hit plain old text on last comment out of habit messing up the link)
            • That indeed seems to be a hefty speed increase, and on it's way to being usable as a general-use application. However if so much development and improvement was going on in the background, how come nobody ever updated the PearPC site? You'd think that in 9 months somebody would have had time to write up a paragraph on occasion.
              • From what I heard, they were holding off on their patches so that CherryOS would fuck off and die.

                If you saw a product that was clearly a rip-off of yours, you'd hold onto your new developments too.
                • But if CVS was still being updated, and the patches were still being published, then what was to stop CherryOS from using those?

                  And why did any of this prevent news updates?
    • Site no longer exists, I submitted a story a few weeks ago about them removing the notice of a May release, but it never got posted.
    • Ummm no... it's never been a derivative of Wine.

      It's always been a direct rip off of PearPC.

      Slashdot Posters are getting weirder and weirder and less cohesive everyday.
    • Evidence [slashdot.org]?

    • Re:uhh.... (Score:3, Informative)

      by dn15 (735502)
      Huh? CherryOS / PearPC let you run Mac OS X on a PC. WINE lets you run Windows apps in Linux. One emulates, the other does not. They are two totally different things.

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