Mac OS X Tiger Goes Gold 562
bonch writes "Following up yesterday's story, AppleInsider now reports that Tiger build 8A428 has been deemed the Gold Master for shipping. Sources expect an announcement of Tiger's completion sometime tomorrow." There are far better days to make a product announcement, should a company wish to be taken seriously, but it worked for Gmail!
Let's not forget (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Let's not forget (Score:3, Funny)
Ha! Finally it occured to you!
Had you fooled for quite some time, huh?
You forgot the quotes around "founded", though.
Obviously, we're just a division of Microsoft and no company, so now you know where the money you buy Mac's for goes.
I must say I thought it was apparent to you guys though... Mac's and OS X users usually serve as a testbed for new technologies we at Microsoft are coming up with, that we can later choose to incorporate in our flagship product Windo
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Re:expect... (Score:4, Insightful)
Your goal, as a reseller, is to have inventory sitting on the shelf so you can fill orders quickly in order to compete with other resellers. That's how you do business.
Our goal, as a manufacturer, is to never build a single thing unless it's already sold. We can't do that, practically, because we can't sell something unless we've already built it, but we try to get as close to that as possible. We don't have warehouses. We don't sit on inventory waiting for the phone to ring. We don't pride ourselves on having things in stock. Just the opposite.
Our two companies live in completely different universes. You're silly to try to compare them.
Re:expect... (Score:5, Informative)
As soon as Mac mini's are shipping with OS X 10.4, I'm ordering one. And if they're shipping with a coupon, or OS X 10.3 on the HD with a 10.4 updater, even better! It will make it easier to install 10.4 on my other Macs.
I managed to pull that one off a few years ago when I bought my iMac G4 17". It had 10.1 on the HD with a 10.2 updater disc in the box.
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No, having the full install is by far the better option IMO, but, that's just me...
Re:expect... (Score:5, Informative)
Even with the "free" ($20) upgrades some have gotten in the past, Apple has shipped the entire OS on the CD(s). Its just that the installer checked to make sure you have the previous version before starting the installation process (you could still do a full archive and install). In fact, it didn't take long for people to figure out the trick and image the upgrade CD to disk, remove the bit that checked for the previous system, then burn the "fixed" image to another CD.
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The installer knew that I wasn't installing on a Mini though, so it refused to install.
Re:expect... (Score:4, Informative)
That seems to be what happens when you are low priority - Apple New Zealand sources from Apple Australia, which itself can't satisfy its own demand.
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OTOH, I've had 'wait until Tiger' in the back of my head when thinking about getting a Mac.
Re:expect... No, they DO ask it all the time (Score:5, Insightful)
The number one question asked by 'the archetypical mini-buyer' - and of course the tons of other people that ask for a mini who sometimes have some similarity with this mythical person - is 'Will I get Tiger for free when I but my mini now?'
The archetypical mac-mini switcher (subset of a-mm-buyer) is not the complete computer-n00b we would all love to go out and buy a mac, only because then we might actually get to benchmarks the actual stand-by time of our mobile phones, that type of user still uses the windows pc they've had for years because they don't care about computers, don't read the articles about them in the press, skip conversations about computers in social events because they're biased to think they won't understand any of it anyway and are thereby still highly unaware of the other options out there besides using their windows 95 OSR 2 box with 16 megs of ram till death.
The typical switcher we get - I work in a big Apple Centre in the Netherlands - is the slightly geeky guy on a budget. The type that cares a bit above average about computers, never used Linux because they couldn't figure out how to install it in the amount of time they wanted to commit themselves to it and besides that just mature enough to be tempted by the idea that *it* might JustWork(TM)
-- above passage not intended as linux-is-too-difficult-for-'normal'-people-flame-
The second most important typical mini-buyer is the user that already has -at least one- mac, looking for an extra machine to fulfill some specific task(s) , or unable to resist the mac mini coolness factor and getting one while not having the faintest clue why they would need it, or to replace for instance a dying iMac they've been using as a file- and print-server on a budget or likewise
Besides that, all the linux-geeks I know either want one, already have one or don't need one since they've gotten themselves an iBook. but that's not such a large part of the people we get in our store.
All of those categories of customers actually care *a lot* about whether or not Tiger will be included with their minimac.
PS: I'm not in sales but in tech support, so I might miss a few of those potential customers..
Re:expect... No, they DO ask it all the time (Score:4, Informative)
I'm basing some of this off of the fact I have seen zero Mac Mini commercials - most Mini buyers (in the eastern US anyway) probably heard about it by word of mouth (and internet) rather than a traditional media campaign - so they know at least a thing or two about OS X and what the releases mean.
Re:expect... No, they DO ask it all the time (Score:5, Insightful)
You have a good view, but let me give you a data point. I'm a Linux sysadmin by day. My "server" at home runs Linux. My desktops at home run sort of Windows by necessity: one is for my wife, the other is my laptop that I need to use with a Centrino wireless card, and VPN for work. I know that I could "train" my wife to use Linux. I also know that I could get my finicky laptop to work. Point is, I don't want to. By the time I get home, I don't feel like it.
From reading (mostly on
I mess around with things enough at work and home. When I want to play, I have plenty of things to play with. But I want something that I don't have to think about unless I want to. I don't want to have to edit a single god damn configuration file to accomplish the above tasks. Is the Mac the right answer? I think it might be. But if it's not, that's okay. I can go back to the old way, and when I do, I'll sell the Mac for damn near what I paid for it.
I never thought I would be this way. But I've reached a time in my life where I have less patience and willingness to sacrifice free time. I also have lots more money. That's why I'm giving it a shot.
Re:expect... No, they DO ask it all the time (Score:5, Insightful)
I was in a vaguely similar boat, though I can't ever claim to have been a Linux sysadmin - certainly not outside the home anyway. All our machines at home were Windows XP, mostly self-built, and we had Linux for NAT, etc. But all the machines were a constant hassle. The only thing I can be thankful for is that this was before spyware and its ilk got really big, so I never had to deal with much of that.
Anyway, I got an iBook in 2002, after playing around on a very sexy PowerMac G4 server (it had 1.25GB RAM, which was not unimpressive at the time). Looking back now, it was quite crude - Internet Explorer for the web browser, no X11, no Quartz Extreme - but I still switched, and haven't looked back.
Granted, it's a little weird if you're coming from a Linux-centric background - each UNIX has its own ways of doing things and Darwin is no different in this respect - but you can still get down to the nitty-gritty and write your own ipfw configuration if it floats your boat. And, though Fink [sf.net] seems slightly stagnated of late, running KDE on your Mac is just plain cool (from a "because you can" point of view, anyway).
Keep an open mind - I know a friend of mine was a little upset at first because he couldn't start Apache with apachectl start. I was a little terse with him in reply, pointing out that Apple, champion of the GUI, could hardly expect a horde of headstrong OS9 GUI diehards to open up a Terminal to start a web server. Once I pointed him towards the Sharing tab, all was fine.
The wireless implementation is unparalleled. Having taken my first steps in the WiFi world on a Mac, it pains me to use Windows' or Linux efforts (the latter I am having particular trouble with at home). Bluetooth is beautiful - you will, I am sure, find BluePhoneElite [reelintelligence.com] and Salling Clicker [mac.com] amusing if not essential toys. iPhoto is really, really nice; iMovie HD is just totally cool...
You almost take it for granted in fact. I installed iTunes on a friend's Windows XP machine the other day, and she was almost bowled over (she has rather poor balance) by the simplicity of iTunes. I now think of it as nothing special, but to someone who has suffered under WiMP for so long, it is truly refreshing.
In the end, all the machines at home now are Macs, save for one Linux server which still does NAT, mostly for my amusement so that I can continue to hack when I want. But I really think you hit the nail on the head with this...
I mess around with things enough at work and home. When I want to play, I have plenty of things to play with. But I want something that I don't have to think about unless I want to. I don't want to have to edit a single god damn configuration file to accomplish the above tasks.
I think I can sum it up succinctly with a line that is sure to appeal to at least the more mature and competent (i.e. less l33t t33n h4x0r) type that reads
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Re:expect... No, they DO ask it all the time (Score:3, Informative)
I am a Linux geek. I have an iBook (one of the new 12" G4s, bought just before they came out - thanks to the Apple store for automatically upgrading my order). I want a Mac mini so I can retire my Lintel box to be an oversized, loud gaming console. A dualboot setup lets me choose whether I want to be able
Re:expect... (Score:5, Informative)
While this list may answer your questions, I seriously reccomend viewing the '05 Keynote from San Fransico
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf05/ [apple.com]
1. Spotlight: I'm sure you probably know about it by now. Super-quick searching of everything evar!
2. Dashboard: Quick lookup-info and go thing. Try something remarkably similar at http://www.konfabulator.com/ [konfabulator.com] but think of Dashboard as faster.
3. Automator: Like writing small shell scripts to replace you, but way better/gui'fied. Application developers can use AppleScripts to create more robust workflows. (Save your pr0n images faster than ever before!)
4. More optimization: Like most
Visit http://www.apple.com/macosx/ [apple.com] for more info
Fast! (Score:5, Funny)
Apple will sometimes seed several final candidate builds before one is declared gold master...'"
Today:
Tiger build 8A428 has been deemed the Gold Master for shipping
Damn that was fast! I can't believe I miss those builds!
Re:Fast! (Score:4, Funny)
Aprilfools! (Score:3, Funny)
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Oh I don't know (Score:4, Funny)
Now THAT'S funny
April 1st announcement (Score:4, Informative)
It's good to see that Apple is delivering Tiger on time. Some might even say it's early.
Re:April 1st announcement (Score:5, Funny)
Tomorrow will be Apple's 30th birthday (since birthday counting is zero based)
though it is only the 29th anniversary of Apple's birthday (which is what most people who haven't had to debug overflow and off-by-one errors celebrate.
Re:April 1st announcement (Score:5, Funny)
I was born in '76, and my 30th birthday isn't for another year damnit. Don't steal what little youth I have left.
Re:April 1st announcement (Score:3, Insightful)
Trust me, Dude, no one is thinking "man, I wonder if that guy is 18".
Soon those birthdays zip by like updates to OS X...
Re:April 1st announcement (Score:3)
Happy?
Cheap updates? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:Cheap updates? (Score:3, Informative)
I could just be talking out of my ass on that value though.
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As for Kernel versions, if I remember right 10.3 is on Darwin 6.0 and 10.2 is on Darwin 5.0. So if you want to pull up obscure version numbers that never get referen
Re:Cheap updates? (Score:5, Interesting)
One: You're not thinking of Core Video. You're thinking of Core Image.
Two: Core Image has no requirements at all. Any computer that can run Tiger can run Core Image code.
Three: Core Image will take advantage of hardware acceleration if it's available. But it's also smart enough not to take advantage of hardware acceleration if the CPU is faster. For instance if you run a Core image application on a 2 x 2.5 GHz G5 with a GeForce 5200 card, nearly all Core Image functions will be executed in the CPU. Because it's faster.
Four: Motion does not use Core Image. Rather, Core Image is derived from some of the work that was done for Motion, with significant portability enhancements. Whether or not you can run Motion has nothing to do with Core Image.
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They can't go on like this, can they? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:They can't go on like this, can they? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:They can't go on like this, can they? (Score:5, Funny)
only time Garfield has *ever* been funny.
Re:They can't go on like this, can they? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Fat Freddy's Cat OS (Score:3, Insightful)
Ahh, memories. I think I'll find my "Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers" comics tonight.
Thanks.
Re:They can't go on like this, can they? (Score:2)
Here [bigcats.org] are some more possible names.
Re:They can't go on like this, can they? (Score:2)
right here [codecomments.com], from codecomments.com
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Re:They can't go on like this, can they? (Score:3, Interesting)
(For the link-checking impaired mods: the links are all to the same article, on purpose.)
Re:They can't go on like this, can they? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:They can't go on like this, can they? (Score:5, Funny)
How do you titillate an ocelot?
You oscillate it's tit a lot.
Re:They can't go on like this, can they? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:They can't go on like this, can they? (Score:3, Informative)
Apple has registered the trademarks for Lynx, Cougar and Leopard.
Re:They can't go on like this, can they? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Why XI? (Score:3, Interesting)
New Computers (Score:2, Interesting)
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Apple's OS upgrade past performance (Score:5, Informative)
(1) customers who purchased a new Mac 30 days (the exchange peroid) before the announcement get a free upgrade CD in the mail (or at an Apple Store perhaps?)
(2) new Macs being built come with the new OS on the hard drive image from the factory.
(3) computers in inventory get their boxes sliced open and a new OS upgrade CD (DVD?) dropped in. This disk requires the install drive to have an OS on it already, so it is not the same as what comes on the boxed OS CD.
I have also read other reports from people who got a free iLife upgrade because of (1) having that CD dropped in their Macs as a separate disk, not the OS and iLife on a single disk.
This may usher in the era of Mac OS missing iTunes/iPhoto/iMovie/iDVD/Garageband on the same CD - thus reinforcing the concept of iLife as an application suite and the OS as a standalone product. Don't look for these new iLife apps on the Tiger install CDs purchased from the store. (But as always, new Macs come with Mac OS and iLife as well as Quicken.)
Yeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!! (Score:5, Interesting)
I knew the features were cool but there were a few extra surprises, like in Dashboard there's a language translator that translates your words as you're typing. it looked really cool - he was typing "French fries" which was dynamically translated frenc->francais->pommes frites as more letters were typed. I didn't notice a USA ("Freedom fries") option in the language list though.
Automator looked far cooler than I'd imagined too.
I must say I don't like the new look of the email app though. I love the current skin.
Re:Yeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!! (Score:5, Funny)
Skin? SKIN?!!! OK, you gnome/KDE hippie. Apple doesn't make "skins". They produce "human interface guidelines" and bond the UI onto an app so tight it'll make your anus pucker.
Unless you're talking about human skin from any "trade dress" lawsuit. In which case, they make lovely lampshades.
OSX is grrrrrreat! (Score:5, Insightful)
And Tiger is going to be a beautiful release. There are features in it, especially the searching and process automation, that I've been dreaming about for years. The searching technology first appeared in BeOS with its attribute-based filesystem, but the process automation is actually something that a company I worked for ten years ago tried to invent and couldn't get it working properly. When I saw it on Apple's demo page for Tiger, I basically saw exactly the same thing that we tried to do...
All I'm trying to say is that I thoroughly understand the depth of Apple's success with this software, and the technical achievement they made. This is a UNIX that can do so darn much.
Re:OSX is grrrrrreat! (Score:4, Funny)
A cunning strategm (Score:5, Funny)
and it's already a bestseller... (Score:5, Interesting)
...acccording to Amazon [amazon.com]. It's the top Amazon software and electronics item, which is pretty amazing considering it's outselling TurboTax and the iPod.
I ordered mine already, of course...
Re:and it's already a bestseller... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:and it's already a bestseller... (Score:4, Insightful)
That number is incredibly misleading. It underestimates real users since, lumped into the Microsoft share, are the majority of the Intel PCs used as Point of Sale terminals, ATMs, informatioin kiosks, etc.
It also fails to account for the fact that Mac owners tend to keep their systems for several years longer than PC users. Thus the percentage of home users of Macs is probably somewhere between %8-%12, not the oft quoted 3%.
Re:and it's already a bestseller... (Score:4, Funny)
I don't see why keeping your old mac in the closet would qualify you as a "user".
Re:and it's already a bestseller... (Score:3, Insightful)
Do you know what Google's statistics measure? I'll give you a hint: It's not the demographics of all computer users. And it's not the demographics of all Internet users. Hell, it's not even the demographics of all Google users.
All those stats measure is the demographics of all Google requests.
If the number is 3 percent, than that means that exactly 3 percent of all requests to the Google web servers came from browsers that self-identify as being o
8A428 slashdotted, mirrors? (Score:3, Funny)
;)
OS XI (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:OS XI (Score:3, Insightful)
The point of changing the name to OS X wasn't the start a new numbering system, it was marketing.
Sure X means 'ten' and that comes after OS 9, but it was just a nice coincidence.
The impact of using Roman numberals signifies a big 'shirft', just like Windows 3.1 -> Windows95 -- "Whoa, something is different with this upgrade!"
OS X is also important to pay homage to the UNIX core and X-windows interfaces from NeXt that went into the new-from-the-ground-up OS.
If you didn't
Re:OS XI (Score:5, Insightful)
Beware this 'Tiger' release! (Score:5, Funny)
T I G E R
84 73 71 69 82 - as ASCII values
3 1 8 6 1 - digits added
\_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
3 1 8 6 1 - digits added
Thus, "TIGER" is 31861.
Subtract 97 from the number - this is the year Vesuvius erupted, written backwards. It gives 31764.
Add 0791 to it - this is the year IBM announced S/370, written backwards - you will get 32555.
Subtract 38, the symbol of slavery. The result will be 32517.
Add 1983, the year Microsoft introduced Windows 1.0 - the result is 34500.
Turn the number backwards, and add 1778 - the year Oliver Pollock invented '$', the symbol of exploitation, suffering and injustice. The number is now 2321.
This, when read backwards, gives 1232. This is 666 in octal, the number of the Beast...
Evil, QED.
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Re:Beware this 'Tiger' release! (Score:3, Informative)
Automator (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/automator.html [apple.com]
It looks like Apple has finally found an elegant way to make a GUI accomplish tasks like these faster than I could at a bash prompt.
Re:That may be true (Score:3, Interesting)
It's extremly impressive, really looks like the gui version of Unix pipes. This one might be the last straw for me.
Re:Automator (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Automator (Score:5, Insightful)
For my wife it would be. She would be infinitely more productive with Automator than with Bash-programming
I beg to differ. With tools like Automator they would get instant visual cues as to what the system does. The system would just make sense. They just set each step accordingly, by choosing from drop-down boxes (with descripitve names of apps and actions) and the like, and it does the rest. It even has nice arrows point that "when this is done, I will move on to this step here". But let's look at your example:
wget -nd -r -l 1 -A jpg http://somehost.com/ [somehost.com] [somehost.com] zip out.zip *.jpg
Huh? What is "wget"? What the hell are -nd -r -l 1 -A? How do those tell the user what it's doing? The user would have to spend time going through obscure manuals. With Automator, they could simply tell the system "fetch images from this website, and make an archive out of them".
Of course, if you have the commands memorized, then typing that command is propably faster than doing the same with Automator. But ask regural user who does NOT have that knowledge to do the same with Bash and with Automator. Which will be faster? Which of them will he rather use? If you answer "Bash", you are deluding yourself.
Tiger (Score:3, Funny)
Build numbers (Score:5, Funny)
Think about this: if the build number is in hex (i.e. 0x8A428), this is the 566,312nd build of Tiger.
Now, about 18 months passed since the release of OSX 10.3. This means that Apple built OSX Tiger about 42 times per hour, without stop since Oct. 2003 (OSX 10.3 release time)!
Re:Build numbers (Score:5, Informative)
MacOS X version Darwin kernel version Build
10.2.0 6.0.0 6Annn
10.2.1 6.1.0
10.3.0 7.0.0 7Annn
10.3.8 7.8.0 7U16 (what I'm running right now)
10.4.0 8.0.0 8A428
The first digit of the build number is always equal to the Darwin kernel's major version number. The next position is a single alpha character which Apple uses to distinguish different lines of development on that major revision of the OS. The first release will always be an 'A'. If the first branch they make is to add drivers for a new computer, that build series will get 'B', the next branch gets 'C' and so forth. The two major kinds of branch that I know about are for updates (10.3.0 -> 10.3.1 etc.) and for new hardware support.
Finally you get to the actual build number, which is simply a boring old decimal number.
So 8A428 actually means it's the first (and probably currently only) branch of 10.4 with 8.x.x series Darwin kernels, and it's at its 428th build.
10.4 Went Gold! (Score:3, Funny)
Updated permissions, everything seems ok.
Re:Great! (Score:5, Interesting)
my G4-450 tower is over 6 years old, and works great with the latest version of OS X Panther -- everything is just as snappy as it is on my fairly new powerbook (as far as the os is concerned...). I've been using the latest release of final cut pro on it without a problem for the past few weeks.
can you say that you can use a 6-year old PC without any siginificant upgrades and still run the latest OS and software and be productive with it? Paying $2000 for a machine that will last 6 years is definitely justifiable compared to paying $1000 for a mediocre machine that lasts 2.5 years.
Re:Great! (Score:3, Interesting)
These boxes (five-year-old G4 466s/30MB) cost a pretty penny in their day, but there was really nothing wrong with them, save one or two failed
One significant upgrade... (Score:5, Informative)
Well, and that 20GB hard drive I splurged on. My root partition is still on the original 2GB, though.
I'd like to have a few new things, like USB 2.0 (though I could just get a card for that) or Serial ATA so I never have to see a fucking ribbon cable again. I may not play World of Warcraft on it, but it does the same thing it did years ago---runs Opera, runs my little perl programs, and runs gaim. Old gaim.
Though, because PCs are so modular, you get into a "best axe I ever had, three new handles, five new blades" thing. If you upgrade the RAM, the video card, the CPU and the disks, it's not really the same machine that it was. I doubt I'll buy an entirely new machine in the foreseeable future. So you could consider $2000 in parts spent over six years to be the cost of keeping the machine stocked with quality upgrades. I think it all works out evenly.
--grendel drago
Re:Great! (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure. As long as you're not married to Windows.
Re:Great! (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm stuck on a Celeron 700 at work. Nothing CLOSE to my preferred dev environment, I assue you. However, for the test scripts they've got me writing in vbscript, I never have any speed issues. It serves its purpose perfectly well.
The truth of old hardware is that if properl
PIII @ 900, 6 years old, runs XP just fine... (Score:3, Informative)
Sigh.
I'm currently typing this on a Pentium III @ 900 with 512 megs of ram and a 60 gig hard drive which is, hey, what do you know, SIX years old. Though I'm running Ubuntu at this instant, I was happily running Windows XP all day to run FrameMaker and Lotus Notes (along with Opera and Firefox) perfecly fine.
Look, I'm very fond
Re:Great! (Score:4, Insightful)
This computer runs 10.3.8, and the application I used was Adobe InCopy 3.
It worked perfectly. Zero complaints. The only way I could tell the difference between the iBook and my PowerBook is the size of the screen. Of course, I wasn't running any other applications at the time; if I had been, I would have run out of RAM. But apart from that one constraint, I used it in exactly the same way I normally use my laptop, and noticed no difference in functionality or speed.
Re:Great! (Score:5, Insightful)
The one thing you'll want is a decent amount of memory. 128 mb hasn't been enough for any previous version, and it's doubtful it'll be enough for 10.4.
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Re:Great! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I'm preordering as soon as they start selling i (Score:3, Informative)
Seriously though, if you really want to preorder [amazon.com] right now, you can do so through Amazon.com and get a $35 rebate [amazon.com] too.
Re:Apple... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Apple... (Score:3, Funny)
Panther is 10.3.
Jaguar was 10.2.
Tiger will be 10.4.
Re:If this isn't a joke, it means Java 1.5 arrives (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=523 [appleinsider.com]
Re:If this isn't a joke, it means Java 1.5 arrives (Score:4, Insightful)
If you want Java support for the Mac, do two things. First, sign up with ADC and express your opinion. Second, start writing good Java applications for the Mac.
Re:If this isn't a joke, it means Java 1.5 arrives (Score:4, Insightful)
Drag and drop is a vital part of the Macintosh user interface. Java developers often neglect to implement it. Same with packaging and application metadata, application services, even the dock menu. Java developers often -- I'll go so far as to say "almost always" --completely ignore these important parts of the Mac operating environment, either blithely unaware of them or under the sadly mistake impression that users just won't miss them.
Like I said, if developers want Apple to give a shit about Java, they're going to need to start giving a shit about Apple.
Re:let the fun begin (Score:3, Informative)
In point of fact, most of those great new technologies that everybody is raving about would not be practical without Objective-C. Core Data, for instance, could not be implemented practically in either C or Java because of its dependence on features of the Objective-C runtime.
And we're kinda just starting to really take advantage of what Objective-C can bring to the party.
Re:What version of GCC? (Score:3, Informative)
"At the heart of Xcode 2.0 is Apple's version of gcc 4.0, the next generation of the industry-standard gcc compiler. The new compiler helps you get more performance from your existing code by using a number of advanced optimization techniques. Auto-vectorization, a technique borrowed from the world of supercomputing, helps you to unlock the power of the Velocity Engine in every PowerPC G4 and G5 system without writing vectorized code. Other optimization tools in
Re:What version of GCC? (Score:5, Informative)
The pre-release builds are including both gcc 3.3 and gcc 4.0 with 4.0 being the default.
You can switch between them using the
command.Re:How big is the time window for an OSX replaceme (Score:3, Informative)