Slashdot Log In
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger to Arrive in April
Posted by
CowboyNeal
on Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:32 AM
from the one-bad-kitty dept.
from the one-bad-kitty dept.
Silly Burrito writes "Think Secret is reporting that Tiger will be out in April with an event on April 1st and it should be out in stores by April 15th. If this is true, I can finally get both the Mini and a new Powerbook, as I've been waiting for Tiger to be released before I do so. Let's just hope that this isn't a bad April Fools Joke!"
This discussion has been archived.
No new comments can be posted.
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
Full
Abbreviated
Hidden
Loading... please wait.
Not a joke (Score:5, Informative)
The question is: (Score:4, Interesting)
This is from someone typing on an Apple PowerBook btw - I do like Apple's products, but not always the company's actions.
Parent
Re:The question is: (Score:5, Informative)
Parent
Re:The question is: (Score:5, Informative)
And for the OS updates not being worth the price, this is your own opinion. A lot of people have the opposite.
Parent
Re:The question is: (Score:5, Insightful)
With 10.4 coming out, it's not clear if Apple will want to EOL 10.2, even though there's apparently a substantial userbase still on it. My hope is that Apple makes a formal statement saying how long 10.2 users can expect to recieve security patches.
Parent
Re:The question is: (Score:4, Interesting)
I got my Mac with Jaguar, and found that the Panther upgrade was worthwhile. Unlike with Windows, the OS X update resulted in a faster machine.
Parent
Re:The question is: (Score:4, Informative)
Another good point, for a few years using OS X I was running it on a G3/400 powerbook. Now I don't think I have to tell you, that 10.0 was
Parent
Re:The question is: (Score:4, Insightful)
And 18 months is still a very short cycle for corporate deployments (where they love Windows 2000 from 5 years ago), but that's probably not that important for Apple.
Parent
Re:The question is: (Score:5, Funny)
What do you mean? WindowsXP came with blue titlebars, a totally reorganised control panel, and a handy program to read zip files. Totally worth £150, everyone should buy it!
Parent
Re:The question is: (Score:5, Funny)
I already had that.
Parent
Re:The question is: (Score:5, Insightful)
Win XP Pro Upgrade is currently $179.99 at Amazon.
Parent
Re:Not a joke (Score:4, Insightful)
Parent
Shhhhhhh (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Shhhhhhh (Score:4, Insightful)
Matthew Rothenberg
Executive editor
Ziff Davis Internet
Parent
Re:Shhhhhhh (Score:5, Interesting)
Parent
Fact??? (Score:5, Insightful)
No. It's a rumor. Don't state it as fact - it pisses me off. The headline is not just misleading, it could be entirely misinformation.
Remove head from ass, then post.
/. QA (Score:4, Insightful)
Thanks for reading. You can now turn off your computer.
Parent
Re:Fact??? (Score:5, Insightful)
Or that the flash-based iPod would feature a screen that was as wide as the iPod mini, but a few lines shorter [thinksecret.com].
Or that a 2Gb iPod mini would cost around US$100 [thinksecret.com].
And a lot more can be found perusing the archives.
Mostly, ThinkSecret gets its reputation from confirmation bias. You remember the hits more significantly than the misses, so it feels far more accurate than it really is. In fact, while they're good at reporting rumours that everyone else knows - like the fact the mini was in the works - or things that can be easily verified - like the contents of the latest Tiger developer seed, or the obvious conclusion from Apple buying up heaps of flash memory - their exclusive scoops from "insider sources" are very hit and miss.
Parent
Re:Fact??? (Score:5, Informative)
No, I don't. But that's not the criterion by which we judge. Read on.
Apple jealously guards everything pertaining to the company and its products. That doesn't make everything a trade secret.
Actually, in California, it kinda does. The Uniform Trade Secrets Act, 3426.1, defines a trade secret as any information that has economic value and that the company acts to protect. The release date of an upcoming product clearly has economic value. You don't even have to argue that. Just look around this Web page and see how many people are saying that they've been planning to make a purchase but that, on the strength of this rumor, they would wait for Tiger's release. Any time anybody wants a product today but decides to wait until tomorrow to buy it, the company loses just a little bit of money. A few bucks. Multiply that by thousands of people and a month or more and suddenly it's a significant deal. Clearly the premature announcement of a release date has significant economic impact on Apple's bottom line.
So yeah. Under California law, it's a trade secret. Cut-and-dried, open-and-shut.
Parent
free upgrades (Score:4, Informative)
Coincidence? (Score:5, Funny)
ITConversations.com interviews Tiger developer (Score:5, Informative)
Getting slower, contents (Score:5, Informative)
By Ryan Katz, Senior Editor
March 11, 2005 - Apple will officially announce Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger's release at an event in early April and will begin shipping the operating system within two or three weeks afterwards, Think Secret has learned. Apple has previously only stated that Tiger will ship during the first half of the 2005.
The event, sources say, is currently scheduled for Friday, April 1 and will be delivered via satellite to numerous locations around the world. Unknown at this point is where the event will take place and whether the media or other outsiders will be invited to attend. Well placed sources say Tiger will likely be in stores by April 15.
Multiple pieces of information gleaned from sources in recent weeks have pointed to an April release date for Tiger. Apple has doubled the software metrics for stores and resellers for the second quarter, ending May 31, for example. While several new software titles slated for release at NAB on April 18 will boost software revenue for stores, Tiger will be the jewel that Apple expects will allow resellers to double their sales from the first quarter.
At least one of Apple's new pro apps the company will introduce at NAB will also require Tiger, sources say. Additionally, Apple is currently targeting updates to its iMac G5 and eMac systems for mid-April, which will come pre-installed with Tiger and iLife '05 (see related story).
In recent weeks, Apple has significantly increased the frequency of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger builds released to developers, another indication that development is rapidly wrapping up. Earlier this week, a gaffe on Apple's Mac OS X downloads page also listed three new categories pertaining to Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger: links to "Automater Actions," "Dashboard Widgets," and "Spotlight Plugins" all lead to pages that were not yet available at apple.com. Apple has since removed those links from the categories listing.
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger will sell for $129 and has been billed as the most substantial upgrade to Mac OS X since the operating system debuted.
QuickTime 7 will also be released with Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, sources say. A Mac OS X 10.3-compatible version, code-named Gibson, will be released around the same time.
April 1st (Score:5, Insightful)
C+++++ (Score:4, Funny)
printLine "April 1st? Is this some sort of April Fools joke?";
printLine "Released on April 15th. Apple is going to release it on Tax day?";
}
What's in Tiger (Score:5, Informative)
Here's a nice tour of the features. [apple.com]
In my opinion, most of the new features in Tiger are more developer-friendly than end-user-friendly, but that's OK, because I think you're going to see some incredible apps come out that use Core Image, Core Video, and Spotlight. Those apps should be what make you want Tiger, not Tiger itself. Out of all the new stuff in Tiger I think the new Mail.app [apple.com] is the best. People spend their work day in e-mail, and the new mail.app looks incredible.
Don't forget Tiger Server [apple.com]. It's a really nice update. New ACL system, 64-bit native, iChat Server (using Jabber), weblog server, and a new software update server. The most interesting feature to me is the new Portable Home Directories. Mac OS X clients will be able to have a home directory on their laptop, and it will trickle sync the home directory with the network when you are connected to your office server.
Personally, I don't believe the ThinkSecret rumor for a second. Apple is *way* too marketing savvy to release a product on April Fool's Day. Also, April 1 is a Friday. Apple almost always announces products on Tuesday.
- Todd
Dear Tiger Fans (Score:5, Funny)
I've seen the preview release of Tiger...
It's grrrrrrrrrrreat!
Letter
Is anyone else vaguely concerned (Score:5, Funny)
Re:DVD only? (Score:5, Informative)
2. All Macs after iMac Slot-Loader can boot from FireWire Optical Drives.
3. Even better, FireWire Macs can access the optical drive of another Mac when the slave Mac is booted into FireWire Target Disk mode, removing the need for an external DVD drive!
Parent
Re:DVD only? (Score:5, Informative)
Restart your Macintosh
While the Macintosh makes the pleasant startup sound, press and hold the 'T' key on your Macintosh's keyboard
As you wait approximately 20 seconds for Target Disk mode to begin, imagine the profitability of the third step
When the pretty day-glow orange FireWire logo appears on your Target Disk Macintosh's screen, release the 'T' key
Connect your Target Disk Macintosh's FireWire port to another Macintosh's FireWire port using a standard FireWire cable
Watch as the drive(s) of the Target Disk Macintosh appear on the screen of the other Macintosh in bright day-glow orange
Copy files previously unaccessable on the Target Disk Macintosh to a safe location
With Target Disk mode, it's easy to make backup copies of critical files for offsite storage.
Parent
Re:Hang on... (Score:5, Insightful)
Why should free speech trump the rights of an individual or a company to use a contract to keep information private?
Parent
Re:Hang on... (Score:4, Interesting)
I didn't say 'trade secret protection laws.' I said 'contract' - as in NDA.
If it's okay to violate an NDA, as long as you do it by telling a reporter what you know, then just what exactly is an NDA for, in your opinion?
Parent
Re:Hang on... (Score:4, Insightful)
Parent
Re:Hang on... (Score:4, Interesting)
The Apple vs Does case is more about reaffirming trade secret law that's already on the books and has already been affirmed by the courts many, many times. So no, I don't really see it as a 'victory against journalism.' No one is facing penalties for what they've printed at this point - and this isn't exactly a whistle blower case that deserves special privelege. But feel free to check my comment history on the subject - I've been consistent in my viewpoint and after reading the judge's opinion yesterday, I seem to have had it about pegged.
On topic, Tiger's looking to be a rather interesting release. Apple's putting metadata to good use with Spotlight, and I'm interested to see how Dashboard's ended up looking. The real story, I think, may end up being the behind the scenes part of the OS - CoreImage. It truly opens the door for a first-party Apple Photoshop killer, if Adobe refuses to adopt the interface. Remember iMovie and FCP are only really around because Adobe declined to make a good consumer oriented video editing system, so Apple did it themselves. Could we be seeing this happen again?
Parent
Re:Hang on... (Score:5, Insightful)
If you had actually read any of the articles or bothered to spend 10 minutes informing yourself on the topic, you would realize that in fact Apple had not scored a "victory against journalism", but instead had won the right to subpeona records in order to determine how information was illegally obtained.
The judge stated, quite rationally, that it didn't matter if the bloggers at the center of the case were journalists or not, for even journalists lack the right to publish trade secrets that do not benefit the public interest. More to the point, the judge stated that interest by the public is not the same as public interest.
So if you want to go on being misinformed, then please be my guest and don't read the articles. But at least have the decency to do so quietly and not spread FUD around the internets.
Parent
Whee, check out the troll who got modded up! (Score:5, Funny)
Heck, Apple didn't even really try and stop Nick from posting Apple-related news. What they did do is compel him to reveal his sources, which were illegally sharing Trade Secrets.
This was pretty clear from, you know, the fucking artciles linked of the thread you posted.
Crawl back in your hole.
Parent
Re:Hang on... (Score:5, Interesting)
The free speech rights of journalists are not trampled upon. There is NO constitutional right for journalists to keep the names of their sources secret. Some states have laws that protect this right, but there is neither a federal constitutional right nor a common law privilege. The state laws are not absolute privileges either -- in the California case, the judge ruled that California's shield law does not cover the type of reporting done by the fan sites.
From the ruling: "Unlike the whistleblower who discloses a health, safety or welfare hazard affecting all, or the government employee who reveals mismanagement or worse by our public officials, (the enthusiast sites) are doing nothing more than feeding the public's insatiable desire for information."
This seems to be lost in all the hysteria over Apple's suit. Apple is NOT suing ThinkSecret for damages. They are suing ThinkSecret only to get the names of the people who did reveal trade secrets. Those people broke their NDAs and Apple wants to go after them for breach of contract. There is, of course, no "free speech" right to break a contract in which you agreed not to reveal those secrets. Apple's target is those people, and that's what the law suit is about.
Now, since ThinkSecret is refusing to reveal the names of those sources, and since there's no privilege to keep those names secret, it is in contempt of court. This is a fundamental aspect of our justice system, that the litigants are entitled to "everyman's evidence." You definitely want this. Think about it. If you were in an accident and none of the witnesses want to testify, where does that leave you? You can subpoena them to testify in court and reveal what they know, and if they refuse, they can be held in contempt of court. This is exactly analogous.
Don't let the label "journalist" fool you. We are all journalists -- we post on a blog and we report what we see and what we think. If you are going to give "journalists" a right to keep quiet about evidence, then everyone would have this right, and our system would not function. The First Amendment emphatically does not allow you to keep silent in court unless you have an applicable privilege.
Parent
Re:Don't buy Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
nick at think secret is a rumor monger. not a jounralist.
please don't lump this case in the same class as the Pentagon Papers. You perform a diservice to real journalists and all our rights when you do..
Parent
Re:Why does Slashdot promote OSX so much? (Score:4, Insightful)
>> be based on a Unix-like foundation, but thats on excuse.
>> We should be promoting Free software, not closed.
Why? What makes you believe all this rubbish?
Perhaps you have Slashdot confused with some other web site.
My bet is that you used a commercial for-profit ISP to connect to Slashdot in the first place, utilizing hardware that was manufactured by companies who's products also aren't "free" (as in speech).
My guess is that the doctor who snatched you from your mother's womb was, likewise, not "free" (as in speech).
Quit being silly.
Parent
Re:Why does Slashdot promote OSX so much? (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, you were making a good point up till here. In my country, doctors are free (as in beer) to the person requiring treatment through taxation. More importantly, medical knowledge *is* free (as in speech). Can you imagine a situation where it wasn't?? Where a doctor would hold on to his/her knowledge to give themselves a competitive advantage? Not only would patients suffer, through the concentration of this knowledge, but the doctor would suffer as his/her ideas would not advance through the contribution of their peers.
Scientific knowledge needs to be free.
Parent
Re:Why does Slashdot promote OSX so much? (Score:4, Insightful)
Parent
Re:Lawsuits over then? (Score:5, Informative)
I thought ThinkSecret was getting "sued" to get the names of the person(s) who gave them the secrets. Everyone is making is sound like Apple is asking ThinkSecret to shut down, pay millions, or some other onerous thing. This is not the case. Apple asked ThinkSecret for a name. ThinkSecret said "No". Apple then asked the court to compell ThinkSecret to give them the name. After careful consideration of the case the court said "yes". NOW, if ThinkSecret STILL refuses, the court might impose a penalty, such as fines or jail time.
Apple wants the name(s) of those who violated the law and broke their NDA (so they can go after them for actual damages, etc.). The courts ruled (this is my translation/interpretation) that ThinkSecret IS/ARE journalists. However, even journalists don't have the right to withhold the identity of a source who has violated the law by giving the journalist the information in the first place. The idea that journalists can protect their sources is a good one, because is allows them to break stories about "public interest" (not "things that interest the public" - there's a difference). Things like whistle-blowing (which, although might really piss off the company, is NOT illegal to do).
If ThinkSecret had instead run a "leaked" story that MacMini's were produced by indentured 6-year-olds and were made of Soilent Green, they would NOT have been ordered to give up their sources. NDA's do not cover releasing information about violations of the law or dangers to the public. They DO cover releasing information that is a trade secret or other proprietary information that you have signed a contract to NOT give out.
Journalists, like ThinkSecret, do NOT have carte-blanch for releasing any information they want and STILL protecting their sources. I don't even think the court has said that ThinkSecret was wrong to release the information they did. They just know now that they can't LEGALY protect their sources in these type of situations. Does this make it harder to get "credible" information in the future? You bet. That sucks for them. Their sources will have to give them information REALLY anonymously and ThinkSecret will have to guess which ones are real/likely, with the rest of us. Their free-ride is over.
Parent
Re:Lawsuits over then? (Score:5, Informative)
Long story short: Apple says that Ciarelli offered anonymity in exchange for trade secrets. In California, offering something in exchange for somebody breaking a contract is called tortious interference. Second, Apple says that Ciarelli knowingly published trade secrets. In California, it's against the law to do that, under the Uniform Trade Secrets Act.
So yeah, Think Secret is probably going to have to shut down or pay millions or some other onerous thing because Ciarelli broke the law.
You're only thinking about one small part of the dispute, the subpoenas for the names of the leakers.
Parent
Re:Did they fix the graphing calculator hack? (Score:4, Informative)
Parent
Apple was incorporated on April 1st (Score:5, Informative)
Parent
I wouldn't want a G5 in a laptop... (Score:4, Interesting)
Seriously, though, I hope Apple goes with the Freescale dual-core G4 for mobile use before the G5.
Parent
Re:Warning: The latest Powerbooks have issues (Score:5, Informative)
Sorry to hear you've had such problems.
Parent
Re:Warning: The latest Powerbooks have issues (Score:4, Informative)
On the plus side, battery life is superb, auto dimming works well, and I love the back-lit keys.
The parent didn't say what PB he had. Perhaps the 17" have more problems. I didn't get that one, as it is just too large for travelling. I decided not to wait for a G5 due to the noise of the G5 iMac at work.
Parent
Re:Warning: The latest Powerbooks have issues (Score:5, Informative)
I've had my new 15" PB for over a month now and have had no problems. The trackpad scrolling works great and I love it.
Parent
Re:Just a thought (Score:4, Funny)
When's the release date?
Parent