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Was the Mac mini Intended to Have an iPod dock?

Posted by CmdrTaco on Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:18 AM
from the sure-why-not dept.
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RMH101 writes "Was the Mac mini originally designed to have an integrated iPod dock? The Register has an article that appears to suggest it was. This opens up the option of homebrewing your own dock into a mini for yourself..."
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  • Makes sense (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ceeam (39911) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:22AM (#11813015)
    I want Mac Mini. I do not want iPod. As far as I am concerned Apple made a right decision.

  • already been done... by me.. (Score:4, Funny)

    by l4m3z0r (799504) <kevinNO@SPAMuberstyle.net> on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:22AM (#11813018)
    See, I took my dock, firewire cable and plugged it in to the Mini.

    Pretty leet huh, I'm about to submit it as a full fledged story to /.

    Look for me in the dupe.

  • Homebrew Cases (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BlueThunderArmy (751258) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:22AM (#11813024) Homepage
    Given some of the homemade cases I've seen, I suspect tinkering with the Mac Mini to give it an iPod dock would make it a bit less "mini" and considerably less stylish.

  • I may be easily asmused... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Digital Warfare (746982) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:25AM (#11813046) Homepage
    But did anyone else notice the convientley placed R2 and D2 ?
    It would a good to have this dock as optional, but that will be in the next flurry of updates?

  • Good thing Apple changed their mind (Score:3, Insightful)

    by hcdejong (561314) <acme&xmsnet,nl> on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:27AM (#11813065)
    or we would have had YA device with a non-flat top surface (ie nonstackable).

  • Not an iPod doc (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Fished (574624) * <amphigory@gmail.ELIOTcom minus poet> on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:27AM (#11813066)
    I don't think this was for an iPod dock. This guys is basing that conclusion on the fact that it's got firewire connectivity. But we should recally that Firewire was originally mostly used for video connectivity, not iPods, and Firewire is still more-or-less the standard for connecting video cameras and tuners digitally. The logical conclusion is that this bus is not here to support an iPod, but some sort of video hardware ... like, say an HDTV tuner card?

    This ties in nicely to the way that the mini seems tailor-made to be a media-center PC. If some sort of tuner card were plugged into this slot (say in a "Mac Mini Media-Center Edition" or something) you could plug a mini into your TV and be basically set with the ultimate convergence box.

    That's my opinion, anyway. Be looking for a Media Center version of the Mini soon.

    • Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Ironsides (739422) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:40AM (#11813195) Homepage Journal
      You made me thing of something with this. Linksys made an amplifier for their 802.11b system called the BSB24. It was made to stack on top of the wireless hub. Here's a link. [socalwug.org] It stacks neatly on top of it and maintains the stackability of the hub. Is it possible this is what they had in mind?

    • Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:5, Interesting)

      by harrkev (623093) <kfmsdNO@SPAMharrelsonfamily.org> on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:46AM (#11813248) Homepage
      Neat idea, but I recently read a review stating that the Mini (at least the base version) lacked the processing testicular fortitude to be a full-blown media center. Plus, it does not have the storage to be a server (unless you upgrade the HD) Anandtech Review [anandtech.com] It still has some potential, but it does not seem to be designed for this role (at least without some serious upgrading)

      • Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:5, Informative)

        by Golias (176380) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @01:26PM (#11814268)
        Neat idea, but I recently read a review stating that the Mini (at least the base version) lacked the processing testicular fortitude to be a full-blown media center.

        That's funny.

        My Mac mini (the 1.42 version) is currently providing HDTV PVR functions (via the EyeTV 500), DVD movies, Other MPEG movies via VLC, music via iTunes, and wide-screen World of Warcraft, all while hosting my personal web page in the background.

        In spite of EyeTV's box specs claiming that full-frame HD requires a dual-G5 tower, the mini seems to be handling it without a hitch. I even recorded some prime-time HDTV wide-screen broadcasts onto the mini's internal drive, and was able to watch them in full-screen mode with no trouble at all.

        Not bad for a $600 computer with no mods other than a single 1GB stick of after-market RAM in it.

        • Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:4, Interesting)

          by PatJensen (170806) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @01:46PM (#11814557) Homepage
          I just got a Mac Mini BTO 1.42 with 512Mb of RAM and it runs WOW terrible. It is very choppy and barely playable, especially in Ironforge or around any water/fire effects. Does this improve by moving to 1G of RAM? Running top I see a lot of paging activity, but I want to see wht you think.

          • Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:5, Insightful)

            by AJWM (19027) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @02:25PM (#11815064) Homepage
            Running top I see a lot of paging activity,

            As a general rule, if you're seeing any paging, adding RAM will speed things up. The exception would be something that is really CPU bound. Are you seeing high load factors? (Ie, several times the number of processors you have.)

    • Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:5, Informative)

      by Fahrvergnuugen (700293) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:55AM (#11813323) Homepage
      Apple has already reaffirmed that they have no intentions of making a media center:

      from MacWorld [macworld.com]

      Media Centers and digital video players

      Oppenheimer articulated Apple's current philosophy when it comes to "media center" computers -- PCs designed to work in the living room as a component of a home entertainment system, recording video, playing back music and more. While Oppenheimer admitted some consumers may be interested in media center PCs and that a Mac mini might be suitable, he said that "most customers" would prefer to have a more powerful computer in their office or den and leverage wireless networking to stream content to their home entertainment system.

      As a practical example, Oppenheimer pointed to AirTunes -- a feature of iTunes that works in conjunction with Apple's AirPort Express wireless networking hub. The AirPort Express features an audio jack that can connect to the home entertainment system using a mini jack or a digital optical cable. Music can then be streamed from the computer playing iTunes to the stereo.

      The iPod won't be getting video capabilities any time soon if current players are any indication, said Oppenheimer. Today's crop of portable media viewers are too bulky to carry as comfortably as the iPod, yet have screens he said are too small to enjoy a movie the same way you would on a TV or laptop. "Our view is that they've failed in the marketplace," said Oppenheimer.

  • Coralized link (Score:5, Informative)

    by panum (161455) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:27AM (#11813068)
    Use Coral proxy [coralcdn.org] to avoid slashdotting the poor site [nyud.net].

    -P

  • iPod Docks (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:27AM (#11813069)
    Don't the different iPod models have different docks? So you could have a one-size-fits-all dock, but when you put a mini in it, there would be a gap around the edges, and Apple just wouldn't let that happen.

  • Old news (Score:4, Informative)

    by white1827 (848173) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:27AM (#11813070) Homepage
    The remnants of a possible iPod dock were found by the initial people ripping them open.

  • Sorry it was the price... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by garcia (6573) * on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:28AM (#11813076) Homepage
    Whether the Firewire feature was dropped from the first incarnation, or was put in place ready for the Mac's next revision isn't clear. However, early rumours surrounding the so-called "headless iMac" that was to become the Mac Mini, did indeed mention an integrated iPod Dock, fitted to help encourage Windows-using iPod owners to switch to the Mac platform...

    I'm sorry but what made ME (as a "PC" user) to switch to the Mac platform was the price. $499 for the base model is 100% perfect. I have said it here before (and I am saying it again)... Once Apple created a computer that was reasonably priced I would purchase one and I did.

    It's nice that it runs cool, near silent, and that it is snappy for what I use it for (with 512MB) but it's super nice that it was priced right.

    I don't own an iPod and I likely will never own an iPod so the iPod dock wouldn't make me switch. I highly doubt that PC users would switch just because of an iPod docking feature.

    YMMV.

      • Re:Ha! That's still too expensive... (Score:5, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:48AM (#11813261)
        When it drops to around $349 then I will jump. I know a few others that want a $299 price point.

        I won't get one until they're free inside a box of specially marked cereal.... but only if the cereal is on sale and I have a dollar-off coupon.

        Beat that cheapo.

      • And if it drops to $10, you have a price point some people would STILL bitch about. Seriously, people will always want a price point below that which its currently selling for. Oh, and Ive kept my Mini with 256mb ram, and Ive not had any issues with it regarding speed or memory issues - dont take the 'must have 512mb ram minimum' crowd too seriously.

      • It's a Macintosh, not a throwaway Dell (Score:5, Insightful)

        by ashpool7 (18172) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @12:11PM (#11813467) Homepage Journal
        One of the things about buying a Mac is that you can still use it after 7 years. I've got a 400Mhz G4 that I've been using as my main macintosh until a year ago when I got a PowerBook. It runs the latest version of OS X and it usually benefits from the OS upgrades.

        I don't understand how whiners like you get modded up. Here we have the finest combination of a UNIX machine, a excellent UI, and decent market support, and you want it for the price of the crappiest computer you can whip up on Newegg?

        Please. Apple did a great job of trying to meet the demands of the cheapskates. One of my friends who bitched about the price forever finally admitted he had to have a Mini when they were announced.

        If you can't afford it, that's ok. However, nobody owes anything to you, the least of which, a cheaper Macintosh.

      • Re:Sorry it was the price... (Score:5, Informative)

        by Arcady13 (656165) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:59AM (#11813353) Homepage
        You blame Apple because you are unable to read the system requirements [apple.com] or try out the free 30-day trial [apple.com] of the software? The trial page even has a compatibility checker application you can download.

        Next time, try blaming the real source of the problem: yourself.

        • Re:Sorry it was the price... (Score:5, Interesting)

          by nsxdavid (254126) * <dwNO@SPAMplay.net> on Tuesday March 01 2005, @12:50PM (#11813823) Homepage
          You are right, I could have known. But if you follow the path through their web as I did, you don't see any of that. I knew I wanted Motion from seeing it demo'd in person (at SIGGRAPH), so I didn't go to the marketing part of the web site on it.

          In many ways, I acted more like a typical customer... the kinda Apple tries to appeal too: the nontechnical user. I read the hype pages on the Mac mini (that talk about how they have great graphics power) and then just started filling my shopping cart with the Mac mini, keyboard, mouse and upgrades.

          Then it encouraged me to buy some software and so I added iWorks and Motion to the cart. The shopping cart software COULD have seen that there was a potential problem since I was buying a mini and software that does not work on a mini at the same time. A warning would have surficed.

          I understand why some companies do not let you return software. My company makes software (though piracy is not much of an issue for us). But fully understand the issues.

          The problem is that Apple didn't deal with this in what, I would argue, is a customer-centric fashion. Their correspondence were cold and indifferent. They showed no flexibility, much less concern. Heck, they didn't even try to upsell me... what a perfect opportunity to say.. "Hey, how about upgrading to a G5... that'll do what you want!" I was not going to do that, but at least a well trained Apple Store Team (as they call themselves) should have made that play.

          So, yes, I did make a mistake. But not an unreasonable mistake. And not one that should have been undoable. This is the sort of nonsense that really turns people off. And makes them complain loudly about how they were treated.

          Given how much I like Apple, admire Apple, I wish this just wasn't how things went down. The cost of the software, frankly, is a non-issue for me. It was the principle of the thing.

  • That's where you plug... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:28AM (#11813077)
    ...the reality distortion field generator, duh!

  • I think... (Score:5, Funny)

    by eobanb (823187) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:28AM (#11813078) Homepage
    ...more importantly, I noticed that Safari was using much more memory than Firefox when I had both open. Therefore, certainly we must ask ourselves, "is the Mac mini preferring certain programs over others?"

  • Firewire drive? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mackman (19286) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:28AM (#11813079)
    If you read the description, the firewire connection pins are directly next to the connection to the ATA optical disc drive. Maybe Apple wanted to have the option of shipping firewire based disc drives should they become cheaper.
    • Never going to happen, because Firewire drives are simply ATA drives with a firewire adapter attached. Firewire is not a suitable protocol to drive a disk alone. Since it is always more expesive to ADD something, that will never happen.
  • A great deal of people are buying iPod's these days. If more of them would buy mac's too Apple's market share for personal computers would greatly increase. I'm sure they originally put the dock idea in the low-cost model to attract these windows iPod buyers but the purists at Apple fought to keep the box cheap, simple, and clean.
    Also, since I have karma to spare, with I googled for mac mini ipod dock I got a picture of this crazy contraption [hackaday.com]. Just thought I'd share.
    - Cary
    --Fairfax Underground [fairfaxunderground.com]: Where Fairfax County comes out to play

  • In other news... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:31AM (#11813101)
    "Microsoft intended to fix bugs in Windows?" All the signs are there, the half done architecture and comment code stating "To be enabled in Longhorn."

  • Uh oh! Does this mean Apple... (Score:4, Funny)

    by saddino (183491) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:33AM (#11813124)
    ...is backing away from the iPod? Quick! Someone call CNet!

  • Yes, But Killed Early On (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:41AM (#11813206)
    I had the opportunity not too long ago to speak with someone at Apple that worked on the Mac Mini project and I asked the same question as it had been speculated on a lot by the rumor sites. The answer was yes, it was considered early on in the project but killed because they didn't think that it would work aesthetically along with the possibility that it could interfere with the wireless performance of the Bluetooth and Airport antennas that are located on the top of the case.

  • I know what it is (Score:5, Funny)

    by akheron01 (637033) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:46AM (#11813249) Homepage
    Pfffft, that's not a dock, it is quite obviously a Diagnostic Port [folklore.org].

  • It will be in the 2nd version of the mini (Score:5, Interesting)

    by hsmith (818216) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:49AM (#11813274)
    Apple has the best selling philosophy:

    Sell version 1 w/ minimal features
    get everyone hooked
    release version two with extensive features
    profit

    look at the shuffle, the chip has the ability to recieve FM, they will add a screen and FM tuner in 1-2 versions to bump sales up. brilliant.

  • What about a "driveless" Mac Mini? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Indiana Joe (715695) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:50AM (#11813282)
    Replace the hard drive with a docking station for the iPod. The higher-end iPods already come with a bigger standard drive than the Mini, why make customers pay for two drives?

  • wrong pinout (Score:5, Informative)

    by morcheeba (260908) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @12:01PM (#11813367) Journal
    That looks interesting but the mac mini connecctor has 20 pins, while the ipod dock connector [ipoding.com] has 30 pins. The placement of the firewire pins are also different - the mini has the data on pins 1,2,11, and 12, while the ipod has them on 3,5,7, and 9 [ipoding.com].

  • The ipod is always thought of as a music player (Score:5, Interesting)

    by goldcd (587052) * on Tuesday March 01 2005, @12:24PM (#11813569) Homepage
    but it's a nice little hard drive with a nice fast connection on it you can carry about with you. Feel free to shoot my down if I'm spouting gibberish, but maybe you could carry your desktop around on your iPod? Imagine a world with tiny Mac minis dotted about the place. Don't lug your laptop into Starbucks, just drop in your ipod the slot and whoosh, it's your PC. Maybe you're strolling through town and fancy some music, just pop your ipod into a public mac mini and stick a couple of iTunes albums on. You've got an ipod. You've built a desktop on it when you stumbled in for a coffee one day, why not buy a mac for your house as well? Basically, the ipod's pretty dumb by itself, but can hold a lot of your personal data. Drop it into any mac mini and suddenly it could be your machine.

  • Another docking station (Score:5, Insightful)

    by owlstead (636356) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @12:50PM (#11813821)
    I've never understood what the point is of a docking station. Yes, it puts the iPod (or PDA) in a possition that I can read the information on the screen. But I would get that *and* the possibility of using the keys if it was lying flat on my desk. Difficult to knock over as well. I possitively hate the docking station that came with my Palm(s).

    The only reason I see for including a docking station is for them to sell us a "special travel cable", which is basically a wire with their own proprietary connector. That and maybe supplying power, but a powered USB hub could handle that as well.
    • I doubt anyone would, I mean what does a doc cost versus the cost of replacing your Mac if you fsck it up

      • Re:Hmmm.... (Score:4, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:23AM (#11813030)
        Slashdotters don't care about screwing perfectly good things up. Look at all the dissection topics!

    • Re:Hmmm.... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by slimak (593319) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:21AM (#11813009)
      the real difficulty would be maintaining the smooth look of the mini... nothing like a jagged hole to keep the minimalists happy. A dock could be cool for all the ipoders out there.

      • Re:Redundant? (Score:5, Funny)

        by Otter (3800) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:42AM (#11813211) Journal
        I'm the first post, and my post is 'redundant'?

        In fact, the moderator was correct -- you managed the rare feat of an entirely redundant first post. Particularly impressive given that the blurb is only three sentences long!

    • Re:Flexibility is good (Score:5, Insightful)

      by DenDave (700621) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:34AM (#11813133)
      If it it is to be a "shove-in" dock then it would be a bit nonsensical and un-aesthetic, imagine a mini with a white ipod dangling out of its left side..

      Nah..

      An extra connector is always a charm but a slot for your pod? hrmm.. considering future changes to the form of the ipod I wouldn't go there. The 60gb is thicker than the 40 and the pod mini... ugh just forget about ok? fugeddabaatit ok?

    • iPod dock for next gen of Sawtooth G4 (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Lev13than (581686) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @11:46AM (#11813250) Homepage
      or perhaps... the mac mini 2 is intended to have an ipod dock.

      This got me thinking - my Sawtooth G4/400 has an internal Firewire port [lowendmac.com]. Clearly, the designers intended the next generation of G4s to have integrated iPod docks.

      It's not uncommon for features to get added early in the mobo manufacturing process because it's cheap and relatively simple. This is probably an example of Apple doing a CYA 12 months ago and then abandoning the idea (whatever it was - dock or something else).

    • Re:or perhaps.... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Ford Prefect (8777) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @12:21PM (#11813540) Homepage
      the mac mini 2 is intended to have an ipod dock.

      Actually, what with the relative sizes and all, it's believed that the next iPod will have a Mac Mini dock.

    • Re:Where's the USB dock? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by damiam (409504) on Tuesday March 01 2005, @12:26PM (#11813592)
      If this were a USB connector, I might be convinced it was intended as an iPod dock. As of now, all iPods support USB, though only mini's and larger even have Firewire (the iPod Shuffle does not). Maybe I am totally wrong because the dock interface on the bottom might support firewire - I just don't know.

      Every dockable iPod ever made supports both Firewire and USB through the dock connection. There's no reason for Apple to use a USB connection for an internal dock.

      My reasoning is that they left it off to save money and because an integrated dock would taint people's perception of the Mac mini. Instead of "Wow, this is a great computer for $499", people would think "This is a $499 iPod toy".

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