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Amazon Offers Discounted Mac OS X 10.2 185

Posted by pudge from the get-the-point-ha-ha-you-funny dept.
WCityMike writes "Apple's decision to offer no upgrade fee to existing Mac OS X users caused a great deal of unrest amidst Macintosh users, but Amazon may have made the argument a bit moot by offering a $50 mail-in rebate, thus bringing the price down to $79 for all users. Check out their listing for 10.2, or the mail-in rebate form. I wonder if, when Apple notices all its orders are coming in through Amazon, they'll get the point?"
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  • smart move (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ceejayoz ( 567949 ) <cj@ceejayoz.com> on Tuesday July 30, 2002 @10:47AM (#3977919) Homepage Journal
    Definitely a very smart move by Amazon - they're bound to get a lot of Mac users' repeat business. Wonder if any other online retailers will follow suit?
  • I wonder if, when Apple notices all its orders are coming in through Amazon, they'll get the point?

    What is the point? That people like to save money? I'm assuming that there is someone at Apple who doesn't live in a bizarro world 24 hours a day, and therefore already knew that.

    I'm a little more concerned about the editors at this site, who are given thousands of stories to choose from every day, and regularly choose the ones that look like they were written by Signal 11.

  • Only for those living in the US (Score:5, Informative)

    by go-low ( 149672 ) on Tuesday July 30, 2002 @11:03AM (#3978025)
    The rest of us will have to pay full price :-(
  • I just bought a Mac G4 5 days ago from a Apple authorized dealer and it comes with OS X v10.1.
    Looking at the Mac uptodate webpage [apple.com] I cannot see any link that allows me, as a european customer, to upgrade to v10.2. There are only links for US and Canadian customers.
    Does anyone know where I can get the upgrade from?
    I feel really left out :-(

    • The Apple UK [apple.com] page has links to Apple's other non-North American sites. You could look there.

    • If you bought it 5 days ago and Apple won't give you a free upgrade, return it to the place you bought it from for a refund. If they're smart, they'll just accept the return on paper, and resell you the same Mac--except that having bought it today, you'll now qualify for the free upgrade.

    • Re:Uptodate in Europe? (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      If you visit the web page of the Apple subsiduary that covers the country where you bought the Mac and look at the Mac OS X Jaguar hype pages you will see a link to the up-to-date programs.

      If you bought your mac in Spain for example you can download upgrade info from this link:

      http://www.apple.com/es/macosx/uptodate/

      However, it must be noted that all the updates are processed in Ireland.

      Still. I don't qualify for the update and won't be buying from Amazon unless they extend their offer beyond the US. The end result is that me and a whole lot more from Europe are going to steer well clear of Jaguar until Apple sees some sense.

      Most of us have to pay around 16% sales tax.
      Apple ALWAYS prices it products higher for Europe (there's a petition online for Apple to come clean on this policy).

      If Apple wants to improve revenues in Europe it knows what it has to do.

  • Even cheaper (Score:5, Informative)

    by The Bum ( 597124 ) on Tuesday July 30, 2002 @11:36AM (#3978256)
    If you use the current Amazon $5-off coupon, the net price comes down to $74. The promotion code is CHNKBKAMZNLT.
  • if only because I've got an AppleLoan and was planning on using a bit of it for 10.2...but then again I'm a student so I get it for 70 (or whatever) anyway.

    Actually, that brings up an interesting point: with the rest of that loan I'm probably going to by a refurbished LCD iMac. I save $150 off list (or 100 off education pricing) getting it refurbed, but am I still elligible for the $20 upgrade or does it need to be a NEW computer purchase? I'd rather pay 20 than 70 any ol' day.

    Triv

  • Yay! More Spam! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by krugdm ( 322700 ) <slashdot&ikrug,com> on Tuesday July 30, 2002 @11:45AM (#3978317) Homepage Journal

    Not only do you have to feed your personal info to Amazon by placing the order, but to get your rebate, you need to feed rebate.com as well.

    Even if you use a throwaway email address and a 555-1212 phone number, that'll still probably mean more junk snailmail coming to my house.

    An aside: I was at Sam's Club the other day and was told that I had to get an updated membership card. When the girl was doublechecking my info, she asked, "I have '555-1212' as your current phone number. Is that right?" I said yes and she just continued on. I'm debating on whether she knew what the number was or not.

    • Re:Yay! More Spam! (Score:4, Funny)

      by Laplace ( 143876 ) on Tuesday July 30, 2002 @12:39PM (#3978850)
      "I have '555-1212' as your current phone number. Is that right?"

      "Oh no, I have a new number. Eight-sixty-seven, fifty-three, oh-nine."
    • An aside: I was at Sam's Club the other day and was told that I had to get an updated membership card. When the girl was doublechecking my info, she asked, "I have '555-1212' as your current phone number. Is that right?" I said yes and she just continued on. I'm debating on whether she knew what the number was or not. She probably was wondering how you get any rest with the phone ringing so often.

    • An aside: I was at Sam's Club the other day and was told that I had to get an updated membership card. When the girl was doublechecking my info, she asked, "I have '555-1212' as your current phone number. Is that right?" I said yes and she just continued on. I'm debating on whether she knew what the number was or not.

      She probably was wondering how you get any rest with the phone ringing so often.

  • "Amazon.com sales rank: #1" (Score:4, Informative)

    by tbmaddux ( 145207 ) on Tuesday July 30, 2002 @12:09PM (#3978603) Homepage Journal
    I wonder if, when Apple notices all its orders are coming in through Amazon, they'll get the point?
    Apple may not, but Amazon probably will. Taking a closer look at the buying info for Jaguar at Amazon [amazon.com] (note that the original post links only to the rebate page). It's currently ranked as the #1 top seller [amazon.com] (in software).

    • Re:"Amazon.com sales rank: #1" (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Arkham ( 10779 ) on Tuesday July 30, 2002 @12:54PM (#3978984)
      Interesting.

      It's also worth noting the Microsoft Operating Systems rate #5, #8, #9, and #17.

      If you're interested, here's the breakdown:

      5. Microsoft Office XP Standard for Students and Teachers
      8. Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Upgrade
      9. Microsoft Windows XP Professional Upgrade
      17. Microsoft Office XP Professional Upgrade

      It's too bad they don't release actual numbers. I wonder if Jaguar beats all of those combined?
      • afaik Amazon's sales rank is over the last x days or something like that, not overall sales - so Jaguar gets a temporary boost, but will go back down once the sellings slows

        You can watch it happen with popular books, quite amusing.

  • whine whine whine (Score:4, Insightful)

    by self assembled struc ( 62483 ) on Tuesday July 30, 2002 @12:14PM (#3978651) Homepage
    why is it such a big deal to have to pay for an upgrade to your software.

    no one gets all up in arms when microsoft charges for the next version of windows, why this? is it because, unlike microsoft, they didn't change the revision number enough, but chose to call it 10.2 instead of 11 (as ms probably would have called it).

    it's a brand new version of the os with thousands of programmer hours put into it, yeah, it's not open source or free or anything, but give me a unix with a useable graphical interface that i don't have to mess around with to get it to display fonts correctly or recomplile my kernel or the windowing system to support my graphics card and i'll gladly pay for it too.

    and yes, i use a mac. and yes i'm going to buy it.

    • Re:whine whine whine (Score:2, Interesting)

      by betis70 ( 525817 )
      >>why is it such a big deal to have to pay for an upgrade to your software

      Its not a big deal to pay for an upgrade, the big deal is paying the same price as someone buying it new. With every other new software product, there is an upgrade fee and a new user fee (see any Adobe product). Apple said "Fuck You, pay the same as the lame-o who is still using OS 8" to the people who already bought OS X or had it installed when they bought their hardware.
      • Of course a good many people screwed Apple over when they discovered the 10.1 upgrade CDs could easially be switched to a full installer. This could be Apples way of saying screw you to those people.

        I don't agree with it, it was just a thought. I really am wishing I hadn't bought 10.1 for my cube. I got it only to be legal, since it came used with 10.1, but no CD.
    • The reason it pisses me off personally is that my new iBook is less than 2 months old by the time 10.2 comes out.

      Also: Why do they put "software upgrade coupons" in with the computer if you don't get any benefit of it?

      Finally: why do I have to pay the full price and can't get an upgrade price? Heck, even M$ offers upgrade pricing.
      • The reason it pisses me off personally is that my new iBook is less than 2 months old by the time 10.2 comes out.

        Why does it piss you off that your new iBook is less than 2 months old by the time 10.2 comes out? You bought that iBook for the functionality it had, and not the functionality it might have in the future--and if you didn't, that's your fault and not Apple's. To me, it sounds like someone who just bought a 2002 model car bitching and moaning because they didn't get a free/discounted upgrade to the 2003 model.

        Why do they put "software upgrade coupons" in with the computer if you don't get any benefit of it?

        Just because those coupons don't equal a free or discounted upgrade this time, doesn't mean they won't ever mean anything. For example, when 10.1 was released, those coupons entitled people to go into their local Apple retailer and pick an upgrade CD for free. While 10.1 deserved to be free because it was largely bug fixes and refinements, 10.2 does not, IMHO, because it is largely new features and applications, with a few bug fixes and refinements thrown in. I imagine those coupons could be used to order CD's containing minor point releases (ie, 10.1.5->10.1.6) for those that downloading the updates poses a problem, althought I don't know for sure.

        Heck, even M$ offers upgrade pricing.

        Yah, and their upgrade price for their cheapest version of Windows, XP Home, is only $30 less than the full price of Jaguar. And if you want the "Professional" version of XP, which is definitely more on par with Jaguar, then that upgrade price is $70 more than Jaguar. Perhaps if Apple raised the full price of Jaguar by $100 or so, and said that $129 was the upgrade price, that would be OK?
        • Points taken, one more to add: I have to pay 199 for my upgrade thanks to the wonderful exchange rate, and no, for you it might not be real money, but for me it is.

          I like my iBook, it's the first Mac I've ever owned, I am thinking about replacing slowly all of my computers with macs (well, minus the firewall and servers) but right now I think Apple lost a lot of goodwill, not necessarily with me, I was just too stupid to wait 2 weeks until after Macworld.

          • Re:Why? Here's why (Score:3, Insightful)

            by BitGeek ( 19506 )


            I feel your pain. I think its a tactical error to charge the same price to people who bought 10 and people who never did.

            The problem is, I don't think there's a practical way for Apple to give a discount to people who bought 10 already.

            Because Apple doesn't go thru the license torture that windows boxes do, 10 can be installed on a wiped hard drive, etc. (Imagine trying to reinstall from the Upgrade CD and it refusing because your drive is corrupted and it can't find a previous version.)

            Also, I don't think the cupons really work for this large of an upgrade.

            Personally, I think they should have priced it at $99 and made it an annual thing-- every year you pay $99. Then it would have been more popular and the price would have been a side issue.

            That and the fact that most people don't really realize what tehy are getting with 10.2-- quartz extreme alone is enough to pay the price.

            There is a program where you can just pay something like $200 and get the next three years of software upgrades for free. They might do a better job of promoting that as well.

            • There is a program where you can just pay something like $200 and get the next three years of software upgrades for free.

              Apple does this, but they also require a minimum of 10 of these licenses be purchased--so you couldn't just buy a single one for yourself.
            • There is a program where you can just pay something like $200 and get the next three years of software upgrades for free. They might do a better job of promoting that as well.

              Well, you could get a developer mailing [apple.com], which includes updated versions of the OS for $200/yr. (or $99 for a student membership [apple.com])

            • Because Apple doesn't go thru the license torture that windows boxes do, 10 can be installed on a wiped hard drive, etc. (Imagine trying to reinstall from the Upgrade CD and it refusing because your drive is corrupted and it can't find a previous version.)

              Simple, and effective solution, ask for the previous version CD if there isn't a 10.1 install on the hard drive. It's the way Windows upgrades have done it for ages. As does the downloadable ATI DVD player updates. They ask for a code on the CD, you then put the disc in, and it allows a clean install of the DVD player app.
        • Why does it piss you off that your new iBook is less than 2 months old by the time 10.2 comes out? You bought that iBook for the functionality it had, and not the functionality it might have in the future--and if you didn't, that's your fault and not Apple's.

          One might reasonably have expected that any 10.2 upgrade price would be less than the full price (even Microsoft does that). Or, perhaps one might have assumed that a computer company that makes most of its money on hardware sales would not do something that will tend to encourage people not to buy a new Mac when an OS upgrade is expected "soon" but not announced. Or, perhaps Apple might have considered that people who already own multiple Apple systems will be less likely to upgrade or buy more new Apple hardware if the cost of upgrading system software (which used to be notably cheaper than Windows) gets too high. Or, Apple might have realized that owners of their computers tend to be idealistic zealots who will turn on them very quickly if pissed off, even if you could give them a brilliant economic argument for charging them more.

          Frankly, Apple cannot afford to tweak its ownership base too much. They famously raised prices on one very popular model this spring and the scratched their heads when sales came in below plan after that. Heck, I doubt that Mac sales are too great even right now since you can save at least $20 by waiting until after August 24. Petty? Sure, but humans are like that. Apple really could have handled this better; they had no reason to spring the "bad news" on pricing during one of their big positive press events of the year. I mean, what were they thinking? People came out of the Jobs keynote feeling a bit let down about new hardware, but feeling good about OS X 10.2, and then the realization sinks in that they're going to fork over hundreds of dollars (if they have more than one Mac) to upgrade. Really, was that the best plan?

    • Re:whine whine whine (Score:3, Insightful)

      by BitGeek ( 19506 )


      You bring up a good point-- it is Open source and free--- the Jaguar version of Darwin will be released when Jaguar shipps for free to everyone who wants it.

      It IS open source, remember.

      What you're really paying for is the UI Application, Finder, and all the other applications.

      The OS is really open source-- you want to run it with xwindows you can, and jaguar you get to as well.

      Interestingly , though, the real value apple's added is in the UI and the applications and all that. So aonyone complaining that 10.2 is not free is just someone who wants all their software for free-- someone who wants something for nothing.

      • Interestingly , though, the real value apple's added is in the UI and the applications and all that.

        I disagree. The real value Apple added is the brand name and the bundling: people can go out an buy a Macintosh and get compatible hardware; with Linux, there simply is no standard end-user configuration, and that makes it really hard for Linux in the consumer market.

        Purely in terms of software quality and usability, I have observed no big differences between Mac OSX and properly set-up Linux machines running KDE for "naive" users, either at home or in the office. And there is more software for Linux than for OSX, even if you just look at software of interest to non-expert users.

    • Maybe if Mac hardware weren't so over priced people wouldn't bitch so much. It's not like people are buying this software to run on hardware Apple never sees a dime from the sale of. Apple gets you coming and going; when you buy the hardware and later when you upgrade the OS.

      It's not like Apple supports their hardware for very long anyways. OSX doesn't even support hardware made less than two years before it came out (Lombard DVD player, for instance)! Add to that the serious design flaws that Apple refuses to take responsibility for (G3 powerbook hinges, power connectors with inadequate strain relief, all sorts of cracking and other plastic problems) and it adds up to a lot of pain when shelling out for OS upgrades.

      Still, it's the best operating system you can buy and that's certainly worth something.

      burris
      • Maybe if Mac hardware weren't so over priced people wouldn't bitch so much.

        I suspect that it's people who don't own Macintoshes who are 'bitching" the loudest. I think that's odd - to get so supremely worked up and passionate about a company who's products they don't even use. Perhaps they're jealous of the Macintosh and trying to justify not having bought one. I don't know.

        It's not like Apple supports their hardware for very long anyways.

        Compared to what? It's easy to point to a couple of nasty examples but I'm willing to bet that Apple is as good in this regard as anyone else if not better. Don't forget that OS X and the migration to it is one of great magnitude. There comes a point at which you have to stop supporting legacy sofftware/hardware in order to leap forward. Not every year, not every five years...but eventually. That kind of leap has only happened, what, half a dozen times in the history of the personal computer? (Count 'em yourself...DOS, Win 3.1, Macintosh, OS-2, Linux, NeXT, WinNT, blah, blah, blah.) The fact that the Macintosh platform just went through one doesn't mean that Apple hasn't adequately supported existing hardware over the last fifteen years - they clearly have.

        Still, it's the best operating system you can buy and that's certainly worth something.

        Yep. At least $69, which is what I'm paying for it.

  • Mac OS X 10.1 still $129!?! (Score:3)

    by d3xt3r ( 527989 ) on Tuesday July 30, 2002 @02:57PM (#3979942)
    Just ordered OS X.2 from Amazon.com but I noticed something funny when I put 10.2 in my basket...

    Mac OS 10.1 is still on sale from Amazon.com for $129.00. Shouldn't Apple have asked retailers to lower this to $109.00 or something? This way if I buy OS X today, I can upgrade to 10.2 for the same price as never buying 10.1. I don't see why they wouldn't want to do this. This way, they keep selling 10.1 until 10.2 is available. If I wanted OS X today - and I was still running 9 - I would be foolish to buy 10.1 because 10.2 would end up costing me $129 + $19!

    Apple could continue to sell 10.1 and offer people their upgrade incentive without making it cost more money to make the change in 4 weeks.

    It could help to reduce the OS X.1 stock, IMHO.

  • Loss leader is not moral superiority. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BitGeek ( 19506 ) on Tuesday July 30, 2002 @03:06PM (#3980027) Homepage

    How is Amazon sellign software at a loss going to "send a message" to Apple?

    As if somehow Jaguar is "supposed" to be $79 and Amazon is "just showing Apple!"

    The fact is Jaguar is worth the upgrade price. Apple has charged for its software for half a decade now and charging for Jaguar is to be expected-- and STILL a good deal.

    I've been running the 6C106 developers release and this has to be one of the biggests upgrades in apple history in terms of big and little things that are different. I'm not goign to violate my NDA, but I will say that Jaguar is worth paying for.

    that the company that invented the concept of "We don't see a need to ever turn a profit" is using it as a loss leader means nothing-- just that they want more people aware of the fact that they sell Apple computers.... and that they realize (even if most people don't) that these "rebates" are more often than not never redeemed. Either because they are too hard, or people are lazy or both.

    I can guarantee you that Amazon is not getting jaguar for less than $100. They are taking a loss to get your business, and knoing that they won't really have to take the loss because most of you will eat the $50, leaving their average selling price around $100.

    This has nothing to do with Apple. The only thing this issue brings up is that Apple users are apparently rather cheap, just as Linux users are. Or at least the people who whine online are cheap. So it goes.

    IF you don't want to upgrade, then don't. Wait a year and Jaguar will be on sale for $10. If you do upgrade you'll find the value is there in the product and it was worth it. But its a free country and its your choice. Just don't expect something for nothing-- that is not a right you have.

    • How is Amazon sellign software at a loss going to "send a message" to Apple?

      Because if Apple sells hardly any copies of Jaguar through their Apple Stores, the online Apple Store, or retailers such as CompUSA (which has a special Apple section) and Amazon keeps reordering them, they may figure that their price point was a bit too high. If they don't care, they don't care, but a message will certainly be sent.

      The fact is Jaguar is worth the upgrade price. Apple has charged for its software for half a decade now and charging for Jaguar is to be expected-- and STILL a good deal.

      I'm happy someone believes it's a good deal, because I'm having a hell of a time coming to that conclusion myself. I am not a .mac subscriber, not can I forsee ever subscribing to it, so that's half or more of the new features right out. Accelterated Quartz is useless to me, as my iBook doesn't have the required 32MB of video RAM. Nor does my G4 Cube. The only new "feature" of the operating system that I would even slightly be able to use and interested in is iChat, and that's frankly not worth the $130 upgrade pricing. If I wasn't a member of the Apple Consultants Network, and got OS X client software free as part of that package, and need a Mac to do my work (the reason I'm part of the ACN), I'd ditch the whole mess now and move to Linux on x86, forget paying $130 to get all these features I can't use.

      I've been running the 6C106 developers release and this has to be one of the biggests upgrades in apple history in terms of big and little things that are different. I'm not goign to violate my NDA, but I will say that Jaguar is worth paying for.

      Bullshit. I call so much bullshit on this. I've played with Jaguar plenty, at ACN info meetings, beat the thing up for a good long time on the 17" iMacs in New York, and on the client side, there's not a damn thing I've seen that is as much of a change as you claim. There are several additional command line tools that help on the server side of the equation (many of these being included with the build of 10.1 Server included with the Xserve) but as far as the client goes, joe bob laptop or desktop user gets hardly anything for their $129 purchase, unless they pay an extra $100/year so all the new features are actually usable.

      This has nothing to do with Apple. The only thing this issue brings up is that Apple users are apparently rather cheap, just as Linux users are. Or at least the people who whine online are cheap. So it goes.

      I'm not cheap. I and my family have been paying premium prices for Apple machines since the Mac Plus came out. What I object to is being ripped off, which is what Apple is doing to me.

      IF you don't want to upgrade, then don't. Wait a year and Jaguar will be on sale for $10. If you do upgrade you'll find the value is there in the product and it was worth it. But its a free country and its your choice. Just don't expect something for nothing-- that is not a right you have.

      I don't want to upgrade, however, I have to upgrade, and it's going to gall me every step of the way. The "wait a year for it to get to $10 on sale" is ludicrous and you know it. 10.1 is still being hawked for $130, even now. The only time Apple EVER drops their prices is when they bring out a new line, or update a line. Then the old models get a price drop. 10.2 will stay at $130 until 10.3 comes out. Bank on it.

      I couldn't care less that you find enough value in 10.2 to justify the purchase price for yourself. Have a ball. However, your condescending attitude is, probably not coincidentally, the same attitude that Apple has taken, and it's one that drives me completely up the wall, and it's not one that's going to win them or you any friends. It certainly is a free country. Free enough that I can call a ripoff a ripoff when I see one. That's not expecting something for nothing. Apple is the one that is trying to get me to give them something for nothing.
      • I and my family have been paying premium prices for Apple machines since the Mac Plus came out. What I object to is being ripped off, which is what Apple is doing to me.

        This made me laugh... I doubt you even own a Mac, because when did Apple EVER have a discounted price for a yearly OS upgrade? NEVER!

        I started on 7.5, and I paid for 7.6, 8, 8.5, 9, and X.

        In that time frame I have owned a 6100, PowerCenter (clone) and a G4.

        The only difference is that Apple used to charge about $90 for Mac OS.


      • I too doubt you even own a mac.

        Name me a SINGLE PROGRAM that has as GUI and has not changed in Jaguar. I have not found them. From the help program (rewritten it seems) to Mail to addressbook, etc. etc. etc. Hell, the entire ui changed.

        And Quartz extreme works on cards with 16M of ram, it doesn't require 32M.

        That you think jaguar is worth nothing is just stupidity on your part. I can't believe you're part of the ACN. You SHOULD leave and go to Linux and see how you like it.

        Hell, you want jaguar cheap, just wait six months.

        That you're complaining you can't have it cheap now (eg for free) is proof positive that you're just cheap.
    • The fact is Jaguar is worth the upgrade price. [...] I've been running the 6C106 developers release and this has to be one of the biggests upgrades in apple history in terms of big and little things that are different.

      The software development costs are a small fraction of the retail package price, so arguments that it is "worth it" based on functionality are almost meaningless.

      What it comes down to is that Apple needs money again to make the stock holders happy, and they have something that a sufficient number of people are going to buy, whether its is earth-shatteringly different or merely a so-so upgrade. And the reason why Apple gets to set the prices is because Mac users have already sunk costs into their machines--they aren't going to switch because of a $120 upgrade. But if Apple does that too often, they risk losing customers.

      There is nothing wrong with any of that. We knew that Apple and other companies work that way when we bought our Macintoshes.

      I'm probably not going to upgrade: my Mac does exactly what I want, and I see no point in paying money and risking that it will get slower or stop working altogether.

      This has nothing to do with Apple. The only thing this issue brings up is that Apple users are apparently rather cheap, just as Linux users are. Or at least the people who whine online are cheap. So it goes.

      Rational agents in a market economy are "cheap". That's what makes market economies efficient. It's the people who are not "cheap" that create problems for the market. Like people who keep paying millions of dollars to outfit their companies with slow, insecure, unreliable, buggy software despite the costs. If those people behaved rationally and were "cheap", certain big computer companies would actually either have to shape up or get out.

  • The little bugs in OSX are driving me batty. I love my fp imac, don't get me wrong, but there's two issues that are really driving me nuts - not automatically reconnecting to my 802.11b network after reboot, and losing my icon sizing/folder preferences after reboot. In either case, it doesn't matter if the reboot is a crash or a restart. If those are fixed, plus the new features, it might be worth my $79. maybe.
    • change preferences, close all finer windows, log out, log back in. problem solved.some of my folders have orange backgrounds, some have blue backgrounds, because that's how i color code some things. try looking up your problem on the net; you're bound to find a solution or two there
    • not automatically reconnecting to my 802.11b network after reboot

      Never had that problem myself, but you could try System Preferences->Network->Airport->Airport tab->Preferred Network and see if that helps.

      • It doesn't seem to help. Sometimes when I reboot, it comes up fine, other times it doesn't. granted
        all I have to do is pull down the menubar airport menu and select the network, but still, it's an annoyance.
  • From MacMinute [macminute.com]: "Overwhelming demand caused Amazon.com to retract its $50 rebate for Mac OS X 10.2. Amazon.com caught the attention of the Mac community earlier this week when it rolled out the exclusive rebate, but pulled it yesterday afternoon without notice. 'Customer response exceeded our wildest expectations so we're not continuing the rebate at this time,' Ling Hong, an Amazon.com spokesperson told MacMinute. 'But obviously all the pre-orders that we received during the time that the rebate offer was posted on our site will be honored.' Hong said all orders place up until 7:00 pm PDT yesterday will be eligible."

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