Radiohead Changes Tack, Joins iTunes 176
Joe Jay Bee writes "The British rock band Radiohead, who previously stated that they wouldn't want to have their music on Apple's iTunes Music Store (and, indeed, were unhappy when their Kid A album was released via the store) have performed something of an about-face; virtually their entire catalog, including singles and their B-Sides, has appeared on the store. The band previously said they only wanted their work sold as complete albums, which Apple refused to go along with; however their tack has apparently changed, and all their songs are available to mix and match, including their most recent work, In Rainbows. The albums are all available in DRM-free AAC format."
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Um so your basically saying that simply by selling their albums on iTunes they have no integrity. After all they did release them in DRM Free format and have never gone after filesharing. Heck radiohead doesn't even have a Music Label and don't have to listen to the RIAA or anyone about P2P.
If they want to give people th option to buy their music over iTunes...why not. It's not like they can put them on iTunes for free even if they wanted to....So what you want them to stop selling CDs also because you don't think they have integrity simply for selling something.
Obviously they give people the option of getting it for free on P2P or buying it. If you want to support them buy it if not don't. They aren't saying don't download our music TPB they just turn a blind eye to it. So cmon why must selling something be considered a lack of integrity?
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Re:DRM - Free (Score:5, Informative)
Nope. They made their statement about refusing to sell on Tunes 5 months after Apple had started offering DRM-free downloads for EMI, Radiohead's label. Their spokesman said they objected not to DRM, but to Apple refusing to require customers to buy the whole album at once, whereas Apple requires each song to be available for sale individually as well. The quote from their spokesman was:
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Bollocks. I've seen quite a few songs on iTMS that are only available as an album bundle. There's a couple on the U218 album, "The Saints Are Coming" is an example.
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Yes, you are right. However most are just certain songs you can only get if you buy the whole album. Usuallly all but one of the songs is available as singles, with one or two requiring that you buy the album. What RadioHead wanted was for the whole album to only be available, and no singles at all. It's a different case. Although I would argue for RadioHead. If that's how they want to sell their music, iTunes should let them do it. Apple's head is getting way too big lately.
Heaven forbid Apple do something for their customers! I prefer to buy what I want, not a whole album. And it has nothing to do with artistic integrity, but pure greed. Take the Napoleon Dynamite soundtrack. There is a song there only available if you get the whole album. It's not like it is the original artist saying "we want these works together as a whole", it must be that no one else wants the crap on that soundtrack and it is the only way to make any money. So kudos to Apple for standing up for thei
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I get both sides in this. On the one hand you are right that many people would just like to buy a few songs that are on the radio and leave it at that.
On the artist side though, its like selling the bottom right corner of a painting. Admitedly the Album is a dying artform these days (mostly due to MP3 players and shuffle) but there are still some artists who develop entire albums rather than just a few songs and some filler. These are the sort of thing thats meant to be listened to from start to finish. I can understand not wanting your album chopped up and sold piece by piece if you put that kind of effort into a whole album.
Still, I see this transition as fairly inevitable. The album has been dying for quite some time and the rise of the MP3 player is going to pretty much end it.
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If the full album were $7.99, it wouldn't be so bad. Eight bucks won't kill you, if it's a band you actually like.
Pop acts can kiss my ass.
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Remember, Apple's clout is the only thing standing between you and the record labels at this point. Even if you do nothing but buy from Amazon's MP3 store, you're benefiting from Apple iTunes, since the labels would never have given Amazon such a sweet deal if they weren't trying to break Apple's position in the market.
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iTunes offers a specific set of services to its customers (us). If Radiohead does not like or does not want those services, they are free to sell with someone else who will offer them that option.
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And really, Amnesiac and Kid A are albums greater than the sum of their parts. I'll admit
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Amnesiac and Kid A are albums greater than the sum of their parts.
I find I listen to Radiohead's "experimental" stuff a lot more now than OK Computer or The Bends, but I don't agree with you on this. Not all the "mood pieces" work for me; if I wasn't a completist where Radiohead are concerned I would be tempted to cherry-pick the two albums you mentioned. But then I have already listened to Pulk-Pull Revolving Doors enough times to know that I will never come to love it. New listeners should be given the chance to decide for themselves (and isn't that what p2p excels at?
We have a winner! (Score:4, Interesting)
Read about the ongoing feud between Radiohead and their former big label here.
I'd bet that the summary article is incorrect and the band itself did not directly approve of the iTunes move.
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http://www.tuaw.com/2008/01/03/radiohead-on-itunes-yup/ [tuaw.com] --- This happened for I
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Anyways, it's kinda silly. Radiohead never seemed to object to getting radio play, which is just one track at a time.
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"we want 15 tracks within 18 months" they make more money peddling "pieces", and get a lot more air-time since the radio (even if its not exactly that) can play commercials inbetween songs, etc.
If an artist/band was to declare their sum as a single 70 minute song "with pauses", the record company would simply tell them to name the parts, kinda like classical music, and proceed to sell the parts... and if the artist/band made a solid 70 minute song, the record compa
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"Soundtracks" are more likely to be random collections of
songs from wherever. They're like those albums that are
meant to be collections of "hits" from a particular
genre or year.
Besides the fact that a particular director likes them,
they have no real connection to each other.
If it's a genuine "Score" then there's no less reason to
want to rip out the title theme than there would be to
extract that hit single from some pop group's album.
They make compilation/hits
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Their app shouldn't be necessary in order to make a sale and their NIH format is not supported by other devices out there. That's why there's the idea of bolting ipods onto devices that really should have no need.
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Huh? DRM-free AAC (this is what the Radiohead tracks were released in) is support by nearly every device you can buy today. For the size and bit-rate it's also mostly superior to MP3.
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There are other reasons to go onto iTunes, although I'm not sure if Radiohead's releases take advantage of it, AAC files can be created from 24-bit, 48khz sources at the same bitrate as those from 16-bit, 44.1khz sources.
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Yes I have limited knowledge of world cultures, despite having learned quite a lot in my life, and most likely more than someone who thinks that learning something makes you 'cultured'. When it comes to music I have stuff from plenty of cultures, from j-pop to Classical, cheesy 80s pop to remixed Indian bhangra. I can understand someone being pissed off at the amount of 'whining', but claiming
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EMI made the rest of Radiohead's back catalogue available on iTunes in response, see this article:
http://www.ateaseweb.com/2008/06/03/full-radiohead-catalogue-available-on-itunes/ [ateaseweb.com]
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What I don't understand is this: there are already things on iTunes which are listed as "Album Only", so you can't buy just one song but have to get the whole set.
It seems strange that Apple has that in place and then refuses to let somebody like Radiohead use it. How do they decide?
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Must not... rise... to troll...
Break From EMI (Score:2, Insightful)
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A whole book shelf can hold at least 400 DVDs and as many music Albums.
The problem with "files" is that you never own anything physical that
serves as some sort of confirmation that you own anything. If someone
disputes you it's pretty much your word against theirs.
A media server (which will take up more than a book shelf's worth of
space) is certainly the bee's kness but it's still not a substitute
for having some way of confirming legal posession.
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Note: I travel frequently, and may not be home for weeks at a time, therefore my solution fits my situation. YMMV.
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Huh? What, are you running one of those IBM T-Rexes or something? My media server takes up less space than all of the CDs I took out of their cases, ripped, and put in one of those CD Albums. Heck, your "media server" could be a USB hard drive that takes up as much space as a half-dozen CDs.
Your point about it being good to have the CDs around is one I agree with, but not because of proof of legal possession. With CDs, you don'
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space) is certainly the bee's kness but it's still not a substitute
for having some way of confirming legal posession.
My "media server" is a MacMini, a monitor, and a key board and mouse (tucked away), and is holding god knows how many albums, movies, and can access tons of streaming content. It syncs flawlessly with my TV, stereo, and iPod. I never have to shuffle disks, sit around pondering what I might feel like listening to (shuffle by
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Thats probably like 20% of the enjoyement though, you buy the CD, take it home, unwrap it, and pick through its liner like a crack-addict through the carpet.
If its a "worthy" album, you display it for all to see, "I like that"... suppose you were a bit late for records too werent you? which was even more mystical, cause you had to take more care of them, like they were pets or something.
Personally, if I had enough CD's, i'd line an entire room with them... "The Music Room"... fuckin A
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My gripe with CDs is that it is an outdated medium, yet we treat it like the holy-grail that it was in 1984. I've no problem with CD quality, as some of my LP-snooty friends do, just the poor quality and poor longevity of the medium on which they are sold. With iTunes tunes, I can make my
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EMI probably made the deal with Apple not Radio Head.
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I remember clearly that when the downloads became available, I decided to wait for the CD (because I'm old fashioned and like things I can touch) -- so they must have made it clear that there would be one. I did buy the CD and I was very pleased with it.
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Mind you after the crap rip-quality of the In Rainbows interweb release and the volte face of the cd release following, I have less sympathy than I once would have done despite the quality of the work.
I think you were perhaps misinformed. It was always clear that an eventual CD release was to come, even if the precise when and how were initially uncertain. For example, see this Pitchfork news item from Oct 1 [pitchforkmedia.com], 9 full days before the online release. But I do agree with your other point, they really should have provided a better quality rip for those who took the plunge.
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The track listing of that Best Of album is pretty abominable really... There's no ebb or flow to it at all. It's clearly the work of a label with no interest in the band.
Radiohead is customer-savvy (Score:5, Insightful)
Perception is all-important in Marketing and Radiohead is taking Apple lessons.
By direct-download of their albums (free and paid) they proved DownloadMusic!=crime.
Second once they realized people mix and match their music (just like i mod my computer table and computer), they allowed it instead of sending RIAA goons after them. After all, Alienware does not raid my home, if i chose to decorate my PC with Yuletide spirit. Apple does not care if i laser-engrave my iPod. So should music be: If i mix-and-match their tunes with mine, i should be free.
RIAA believes otherwise. Paying customers think otherwise.
Who pays for Radiohead's food? Customers and not RIAA. So Radiohead did the sensible thing and listened to customers.
By releasing their tunes DRM-Free in iTunes they hit the likeness factor a lot: iPod users now have direct-download to iPod; which is 90% market share of MP3 players (Zune; you Turd, you really have no chance). The DRM-free enables users to mix and match.
Its a pity that Radiohead's music is not country/hip-hop
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> Its a pity that Radiohead's music is not country/hip-hop
At this point, the reader builds a mental image of Radiohead performing a country/hip-hop fusion. The Elder Gods claim another victim.
c.
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Radiohead is showing surprising maturity and acute understanding of what a customer wants: Go to the Customer, instead of sitting on your arse and expecting them to come to you.
Have you been to Metallica's website lately? You can listen to many of their songs, and watch their videos on their website. Also, i wouldn't consider Radiohead "savvy", I'd say they are realizing that if they want to make money of their music, they need to charge for it.
C'mon Radiohead show the industry that you can make millions by having people 'name their price'. I'm sure this works for all companies. I'll call up Ferrari and suggest they start allowing us to name our price.
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This is EMI's decision, not Radiohead (Score:2, Insightful)
Please do not take this as Radiohead's decision, when it's clearly that of their (former) label.
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If what you say were the case, Britney would be soccer-mom with 3 kids, and Ashlee simpson would be a waitress in a Del Hugos bar.
Radiohead/artist decides to move to a distribution medium. The label had CD rights: Not digital. Which is why labels are trying to shoot for 360 degree contracts; and why artists avoid it.
EMI has vinyl, cassette, CD and DVD rights. Radiohead owns live and all other rights not gifted to EMI.
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Ha! She'd be watching Judge Judy in a single-wide somewhere in tornado alley with five kids from six different fathers, drawing SSI (and flies) and smoking a carton of camels a day.
Soccer mom! As if!
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That's not correct as this deal includes the new album "In Rainbows" which was released post-EMI
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I don't see the added value in this. For almost the same cost I can just buy whatever albums I do not already have on CD (thanks to the ridiculously cheap dollar), and rip in a far higher quality than ITMS offers.
Itunes is only worth it when there are extras,
Not everyone is a completist.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Not everyone is a completist. If I find a song I like, I'll buy it on iTunes. If I like an artist enough after a while to go ahead and buy an album, I'll buy it on CD. Sometimes I'll buy an album on iTunes if there's enough tracks that the $10 album price makes sense, but usually I just buy a couple of songs.
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Unless you are doing a lossless format that's probably not true, ITMS on non-DRM'd tracks is AAC at 256kbit, that's imperceptible from the source for 99.99% of people and tracks, heck even mp3 at that bitrate is imperceptible in most situations (my old collection is ripped at ~220kbit VBR with LAME at -extreme settings which is shown to be fine in double blind testing.)
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http://www.vimeo.com/1109226?pg=embed&sec=1109226 [vimeo.com]
It's possibly one of the most awesome covers I've ever seen.
Have some sympathy. (Score:4, Funny)
Do you have any idea how much it costs to fill up the tank on a Ferrari?
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How to split music (Score:2, Insightful)
Anyhow, for the same reasons that providing music in these smaller parts is a good thing (which I believe it is), one could easily argue that even smaller parts of the music sho
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But if someone wants to just buy one song, why shouldn't they? Especially when it's no extra expense to them.
When artist start wanting to dictate how people should listen to their music, they're getting too big-headed. If people only want to buy one song, it's pretty clear that they've failed to do what they want to h
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On a side-note: I think Apple's DRM terms are more or less reasonable, at least compared to most others; but ever sense "iTunes Plus" became available I've stopped buying DRM'ed music from the store. I know the labels are watching iTunes and Amazon, so I figure any little bit I
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Re:I say... I have my principles! (Score:5, Funny)
I will never buy a single Apple product in my life. Ever. Just out of principle.
ps, Apple, please contact me via email.
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The interior of a hive?