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Apple Updates iMac, iLife, .Mac

Posted by kdawson on Tue Aug 07, 2007 02:04 PM
from the more-goodies dept.
Apple just announced new iMacs. They are aluminum and come in 20" (two models) and 24". There's a new view called "Events" in iPhoto that should make it easier to deal with large photo libraries. Apple's .Mac service is enhanced with .Mac Web Gallery, which integrates with the new iTunes and also the iPhone. It's a Web 2.0 app now. And iMovie is being replaced by a completely new app of the same name. Steve Jobs claimed that with it you can put together a 5-minute movie in 30 minutes, and he demo'ed that from the stage. iWeb, iDVD, and GarageBand get new features too. And .Mac subscribers get 10 GB of storage. Here is Engadget's blow-by-blow coverage, and Wired's.
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  • Finally (Score:5, Funny)

    by Lockejaw (955650) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @02:13PM (#20144843)

    And .Mac subscribers get 10 GB of storage.
    Yay, now there's enough space to actually put something there!
  • by hcdejong (561314) <acme@NoSPAM.xmsnet.nl> on Tuesday August 07 2007, @02:13PM (#20144853)
    "On the morning of Steve Jobs's keynote presentation, the online Apple store grinds to a halt as Mac-heads set their browsers to refresh every 15 seconds."

    (from the Apple Product Life Cycle) [misterbg.org]
  • Geez (Score:5, Funny)

    Can we wait until the press event is over before an article is posted about it? At present isn't there still a product on stage under black cloth? Have you ever known something hidden underneath a cloak of black cloth to not be important?
  • by Biff Stu (654099) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @02:22PM (#20144975)
    But is it backwards compatible with Web 1.0?

    Some of us Luddites are a bit slow to upgrade.
  • by Schnoogs (1087081) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @02:29PM (#20145105)
    ...this quote. "There are some people who still want to make DVDs" I guess these's a fringe movement of people who want to cater to the 100 million or so DVD players out there! ;) Someone tell these people that DVD is soooooooooooo last year! Other than that everything looked pretty solid.
  • by phalse phace (454635) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @02:31PM (#20145129)
    In case someone's wondering, the Mac mini will be refreshed today. This was mentioned during their Q & A. But there was no mention of any specs.

  • by Sax Maniac (88550) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @02:32PM (#20145139) Homepage Journal
    Talk short. No long sentence. Simple words. Over soon. Screw verbs. Noun adjective. Adjective noun. Noun, noun, noun. And, articles! So, no prepositions. Adverbs bad. Baaaad adverbs, no-no-no. See Dick run. Run, Dick run!
  • A few thoughts (Score:4, Interesting)

    by JamesRose (1062530) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @02:37PM (#20145233)
    first quote: "What about AMD chips?"

    Steve: "We use Intel chips"

    hehehe, sounded a li'l like the intel chip implanted into his head kicked in there.

    second, why is the imac so underpowered in the RAM department, I mean the specs in one of the pictures showed the iMacs, all the way up to the biggest $1800 version only has 1gig- with all the RAM you get in normal PCs now days (4gigabytes not unusual) is this not a little strange?

    Finally, is it just me, or have they slighyl repackaged everything, made no huge advances, like for example, why did they bother to minimize a keyboard, which for someone like me, would just be annoying. iLife? It's had nothing added, they just repackaged every single feature, and when asked why .mac doesn't support HD Jobs goes- Well, we do support HD, well actually slightly less than HD- you know what I call not quite HD- NOT HD! Everything just seemed a little small fry.
    • Re:A few thoughts (Score:5, Informative)

      by adisakp (705706) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @03:33PM (#20146003) Journal
      with all the RAM you get in normal PCs now days (4gigabytes not unusual) is this not a little strange?

      AFAIK, Window's PC manaufacturers usually put in 1 GB now with an option to get 2 GB or more. Usually 2GB costs you an extra $100-200 and 4GB cost you an extra arm, leg, and testicle.

      Even if you give up a 'nad for the 4GB, Windows PC's will only use 3 GB when 4 GB is installed unless you're willing to do a lot of extra configuration and you buy the correct hardware. We got a bunch of new Dells at work a couple months ago. All of them came with 4 GB. But when you boot into Windows XP Pro, only 3 GB is visible. I tried all the hacks to get more -- with certain MB and hardware configs, it is possible to get up to 3.5GB with a bit of hacking your OS configuration but 3GB is the most you can get unless you know all your hardware components will memory map into the top 0.5 GB (and unfortunately the Dells we got only do 3GB on 32-bit Windows). There is no way to get an ACTUAL USABLE 4GB in Windows without going to one of the 64-bit versions of Windows and with all the memory and driver issues there, you're not gaining anything on a consumer machine.
  • iWork - Numbers! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by 2starr (202647) <{moc.smetsys-thgilrats} {ta} {bor}> on Tuesday August 07 2007, @02:53PM (#20145443) Homepage
    But the more important announcement (IMHO) is iWork which now includes Numbers: http://www.apple.com/iwork/ [apple.com] Finally, I can get rid of Office.
    • Re:iWork - Numbers! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @04:44PM (#20147091)

      But the more important announcement (IMHO) is iWork which now includes Numbers

      Agreed. The feature list and Excel compatibility are a big win for some of us. I'm tired of using MS Office for the Mac, because it is slow and bloated, and prone to crash. A lighter, more nimble competitor is very welcome for my light spreadsheet needs. I avoid OpenOffice on the Mac as well, since it is likewise not really there yet.

      The improvements to Pages also seem significant, with some real layout power (and separate layout and word processing modes). Hopefully this will make for a lightweight Framemaker/InDesign replacement for smaller jobs. In fact, the main thing missing from iWork for my needs is ODF support.

    • Re:iWork - Numbers! (Score:5, Informative)

      by elysian1 (533581) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @04:45PM (#20147107)
      Don't forget, you can download a free trial here: http://www.apple.com/iwork/trial/ [apple.com]
    • Re:iWork - Numbers! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by massysett (910130) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @06:23PM (#20148829) Homepage
      Any support for OpenDocument in that new iWork? Website doesn't mention it at all.
      • not yet convinced by that keyboard.

        You know, I was thinking the same thing.

        A lot of people dislike the MacBook keyboards. They look nice, but the keys don't travel far enough for some people, which messes up the tactile feedback. And these new keyboards look very similar to the MacBook keyboards, plus they're extremely thin, which would also suggest a short travel distance for the keys.

        But of course, until I check them out next week at the Apple store, it's all speculation.
        • by happyemoticon (543015) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @02:54PM (#20145449) Homepage

          And a lot of people, on the other hand, love laptop keyboards in general for the very reasons you listed. Furthermore, a lot of people spend much of their young life with a laptop as their primary rig, so they're actually more used to it than a traditional keyboard. It's kind of a moot point. Some people will be excited by the keyboards. Some people will hate them. And for many, the keyboard will not have a large net effect on their purchasing decisions.

          I do give them props for doing something different (or, if it's been done already, making it standard). I just wish they'd also have an option which brings ergonomics into play, even if it might end up looking like Gaudi made it.

        • by Lethyos (408045) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @03:28PM (#20145939) Journal

          Apple is slowly phasing tactile response out of their input devices. Started with mice, then the iPhone, and now with keyboards. Soon, we will live in a polished world where nothing lets us know we touched it! I hope Apple never enters the sex industry.

          • by Penguin's Advocate (126803) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @04:25PM (#20146805)
            I hope they don't listen to all the people bashing the MacBook Pro keyboard. I *love* mine, and don't want it to change. It's significantly better than any of the last 3 laptops I've had, and better than any other laptop keyboard I've ever used (at least if you only count reasonably sized laptops and not those DTR monstrosities). That goes for the trackpad too. The trackpad on the MBP is spectacular, and the one button issue becomes a non-issue very quickly. I'm not a fan of trackpads or single-button input devices in general, but I have grown to love the MBP trackpad over the last year.

            As a point of reference, at home and at work I use a Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 keyboard and a trackball (logitech marble mouse at work, Kensington Expert mouse at home).
      • by The One and Only (691315) * <phil@philwelch.net> on Tuesday August 07 2007, @03:23PM (#20145869) Homepage

        Well, first, Apple isn't a monopoly. They have viable competitors in every market in which they compete, and insofar as that is the case, the behaviors you describe (which are called "vertical integration", or "anti-competitive practices" if and only if you already have a monopoly) aren't "brutal" so much as "a business and design choice".

        They destroyed the Mac clone market and reseller market because those things were destroying Apple. At that time (the late 90's), Linux wasn't nearly as mature or widely-adopted as it is today and the destruction of Apple would have, as far as almost everyone could predict, led to a total Microsoft monopoly. Microsoft was already starting to displace commercial UNIX in some segments. Other companies had licenses to manufacture Apple hardware designs with Apple software, including the Apple ROM that (at the time) was necessary for the OS to run. Those license payments weren't enough to allow Apple to continue existing and developing their OS, so Apple refused to extend those licenses to future technology (the CHRP common hardware platform, Mac OS 8) and purchased back the licenses it had already granted.

        The real question is whether it's acceptable to sell integrated systems that are capable of working together above and beyond the interoperability offered by open standards. When I look across the fence at the hardware support issues Linux and Windows are struggling with, I'm pretty happy with how green the grass is over here. And if I wasn't, I'm still perfectly able to get a new OS and new hardware. That's the difference between a monopoly and a competitor who offers a significantly different solution.

      • by reidconti (219106) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @03:23PM (#20145877)
        Simple. You're assuming Slashdotters are FOSSies, rather than just adamant about not using crappy products.

        I don't like Microsoft because they make shit products and force them down our throats. I use them regularly, as I now have an XP laptop at my current job as a Unix SA. I am willing to pay for Microsoft products when I think they are worthwhile -- I have an XBox 360 Elite -- but usually they are not worth paying for. The XBox is the first Microsoft product I have bought .. well, ever.

        For my own computer, I am happy to pay the extra few bucks for an Apple product that does exactly what it is designed to do, and does it extremely well. It's just not worth hassling with a Linux desktop machine anymore. OS X has the Windows advantages of being "mainstream" and playing all that fancy DVD and audio content with no fuss, no muss, but without the disadvantages of being utter crap. I definitely spent more money on my Mac Pro than I needed to spend on a computer, but mostly that was me buying an overkill machine, and very little of it was the Apple tax. Of course, if they had a mid-range headless system, maybe I would have bought that instead... But the low-end laptops are very competitive with PC offerings, and to some of us it is worth paying money for stuff that works.

        By the way, I register all of the shareware I use and enjoy in OS X, something that is far more true of the Mac community than the Windows community. Why? Because we feel the products are worth paying for, rather than Windows users who feel that they use what they use out of necessity, not choice.

        I like the idea of free software, but I'm not devoting my life to the cause. If it works best, I'll use it. If not, I'll pay to use whatever works best. Unfortunately for Microsoft, it is almost never their product.
    • by Frumious Wombat (845680) on Tuesday August 07 2007, @05:04PM (#20147355)
      Because the market basically has three segments:

      (1) I need this to get work done and it has to run forever: Lenovo (formerly IBM) and high-end HP. Ugly is fine, as long as it's bullet-proof ugly

      (2) I'm cheap and have no taste: Dell. Absolutely rock-bottom prices, and it has to match my velvet Elvis or corporate posters from Inspiration.com.

      (3) It's a lifestyle choice, and I'm willing to pay for polish: Apple. They're not that much more expensive (especially the laptops), but getting people to overlook the price on the quad-core monsters is going to take better marketing. Tasteful, unobtrusive, and just let you get whatever it is you do done. Should be offered in Latte.

      Besides, 94%, give or take a Linux box or two run Windows of some flavor. Why shouldn't the look of the machine remind you of the experience you're about to have?