AppleTV Hits the Streets 474
Stories are starting to pop up all over the web about the AppleTV, which evidently means that Apple has set loose the hounds of marketing and the units are (or will be tomorrow) available in Apple stores. Still no word on whether or not it plays DivX files. That will be the key to me purchasing one.
CmdrTaco's review (Score:3, Funny)
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The Apple TV - It's the true video iPod everyone tittered about all through 2005.
Instead of a cable or dock, it uses 802.11g/n.
Instead of headphones, you attach your TV/Home Theatre.
Apple limited the device to widescreen because they understand the market for the device a whole lot better than you do. People with big glass 4:3 TVs are getting rid of them. People who already have 16:9 or high-def sets will have the scratch to pop for one of these devices. They're the "wavefront" consumers who embraced the iPod first, and Apple hopes they'll embrace this iPod for the living room.
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The only DRM is in the iTMS stuff, and you don't need to buy it to use the AppleTV.
Caution from Hollywood? (Score:3, Interesting)
I'd imagine MPAA member execs will be a little cautious about entering a partnership with Apple after seeing Jobs' enthusiasm about music DRM turn into an about-face when confronted with interoperability regulation in the EU,
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Um, you figure they'll sell many of these if ony "Disney content" is available?
I don't know about you, but I get tired of Mickey Mouse cartoons rather fast.
Re:Caution from Hollywood? (Score:5, Informative)
Disney own Miramax, Pixar, Touchstone, ABC, ESPN, Buena Vista, ABC and more. There's a little more to Disney then 40s Mickey Mouse clips.
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You're welcome to rip your own DVDs & TV shows & play them back on this thing, in much the same way that you could rip CDs onto iPods before ITMS existed.
I believe you misunderstood the point of my original post. Basically, I was trying to say Jobs may have more trouble signing content deals with Hollywood execs after they've seen the his about-face on DRM with the music industry.
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and if you sell a video device that can't access Disney content from Day 1 you can flush your investment down the toilet.
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I stand by my contention that Jobs' is going to find convincing the movie studios harder than the music labels.... Especially given his inconsistent stance on DRM.
This whole article is an embarrassment to SlashDot (Score:5, Insightful)
Most of the responders seem to know nothing about the product. Asking embarrassingly stupid questions like "does it have a keyboard?", "When are they going to have non-Disney movies?" and telling us that you can only play DRM'ed video on it???
There is hardly a question posed here that would not be answered by a ten second trip to the Apple TV website and anyone following the product even the slightest bit would know the answer to them. Most of the "opinions" on the product here are ill-informed nonsense at best. On top of that, there is a lot of bitter, mean-spirited, childish banter that one would expect on kids sites like Digg or Gizmodo, not SlashDot. I am truly embarrassed to see this kind of junk here.
For those who want to know:
- doesn't support DivX
- a keyboard would make it a computer, not a set-top streamer
- non-Disney movies already available (have been for a while)
- *does* play non DRM'ed music and video (just like iPod)
I am not going to bother trying to refute every point made here or talk up the device, but for a cool techie site populated by intelligent IT people who are supposed to be in the know on stuff like this... this article and most of the related comments are a joke.
Re:This whole article is an embarrassment to Slash (Score:5, Funny)
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- a keyboard would make it a computer, not a set-top streamer
- non-Disney movies already available (have been for a while)
- *does* play non DRM'ed music and video (just like iPod)
My additions:
- it *does* play H.264 and *only* H.264 video (protected and unprotected)
- it plays a myriad of audio formats (probably all the ones the iPods do) but, again, only 1 video format
- it has *no* video/audio inputs on the device, and cannot record *anything*, ever.
- it can connect to any copy if iTun
Re:This whole article is an embarrassment to Slash (Score:4, Insightful)
Compare the cost of your cable bill + netflix account + tivo service to that of just buying episodes of the shows and movies you watch. Maybe it doesn't work out well for you, but there are some people who would do very well with something like this.
Re:This whole article is an embarrassment to Slash (Score:5, Interesting)
Netflix $15/Mo * 12 Mo = 180/Yr
Cable $40/Mo * 12 = 480/Yr (I get some crazy package deal with cable and internet so I'm not sure if suddenly my internet bill will go up, worth considering.)
No Tivo
Total = 660/Year
Shows I watch regularly: Lost, Heroes, random junk
iTunes store: Lost = 34.99/Season
Heroes = 42.99/Season
Total = 78/Year
Leaving me with $582 to buy my iTV and random junk...
The OP has an interesting point. On the other hand it'd make it mighty hard for me to watch sports, CNN and other live programming only found on cable.
Re:This whole article is an embarrassment to Slash (Score:4, Insightful)
If you transcode the audio to AAC, you can mux it with H.264 video into an MPEG-4/QuickTime container. If you do that, though, you won't be able to pass it through to your receiver over S/PDIF.
I only transcode audio for mono & stereo sources. For multichannel audio, I leave it in AC3 and mux it with H.264 video into a Matroska container.
Creating an .mp4 file with H.264 & AAC looks something like this:
#!/bin/shd irect_pred=auto -oac copy -o /dev/null "${1}" && \d irect_pred=auto -oac copy -of rawvideo -o "${2}.264" "${1}" && \
nice -n 18 mencoder -vf harddup -ovc copy -oac faac -faacopts br=128:mpeg=4 -of rawaudio -o "${2}.aac" "${1}" && \
nice -n 18 mencoder -vf pullup,softskip,${3},harddup -ofps 24000/1001 -ovc x264 -x264encopts bitrate=1400:pass=1:turbo=2:keyint=240:bframes=3:
nice -n 18 mencoder -vf pullup,softskip,${3},harddup -ofps 24000/1001 -ovc x264 -x264encopts bitrate=1400:pass=2:turbo=2:keyint=240:bframes=3:
nice -n 18 MP4Box "${2}.mp4" -fps 23.976 -add "${2}.264" -add "${2}.aac" && \
rm "${2}.264" "${2}.aac"
Creating an .mkv file with H.264 & AC3 looks something like this:
#!/bin/shd irect_pred=auto -oac copy -o /dev/null "${1}" && \d irect_pred=auto -oac copy -of rawvideo -o "${2}.264" "${1}" && \
nice -n 18 mencoder -vf harddup -ovc copy -oac copy -of rawaudio -o "${2}.ac3" "${1}" && \
nice -n 18 mencoder -vf pullup,softskip,${3},harddup -ofps 24000/1001 -ovc x264 -x264encopts bitrate=1400:pass=1:turbo=2:keyint=240:bframes=3:
nice -n 18 mencoder -vf pullup,softskip,${3},harddup -ofps 24000/1001 -ovc x264 -x264encopts bitrate=1400:pass=2:turbo=2:keyint=240:bframes=3:
nice -n 18 MP4Box "${2}.mp4" -fps 23.976 -add "${2}.264" && \
nice -n 18 mkvmerge -o "${2}.mkv" "${2}.mp4" "${2}.ac3" && \
rm "${2}.264" "${2}.ac3" "${2}.mp4"
Both assume that the input is NTSC video that can be inverse-telecined to produce film-rate progressive-scan video. ${1} is the source file, ${2} is the destination file (without extension), and ${3} is a "crop=w:h:x:y" parameter to get rid of any black bars around the video. On a Gentoo box, you'll want to emerge mplayer gpac mkvtoolnix to get the necessary software.
Apple TV and Divx (Score:5, Insightful)
It's my understanding though that at least in recent versions, Divx is essentially ISO-compliant MPEG-4 Part 2 ASP video, albeit in a nonstandard container. So it seems like it ought to be possible to 'recontainerize' a Divx
Although I would really like to see Apple and
I find it odd that so many Slashdotters seem in love with
Re:Apple TV and Divx (Score:5, Informative)
I actually just finished transcoding all of my video to mp4 as i prefer its subtitle support over the cheesy avi hacks. DivX was created during the non standard days of MPEG4, as the spec was not finalized. That spec is now finalised, and the standard codec is h264 in an mp4 container. These videos play in Windows, Linux or any other OS which has an h264 codec. They can be imported into iTunes as best as i know. My iTunes question of the day is actually which subtitle formats they use, as I don't know the answer to that.
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Which makes me wonder why the hell anybody would want one. It doesn't play DVDs, it doesn't play DVDs, it doesn't offer any significant online service, and requires a computer to stream / cache from. What is the point of this thing? Who is insane enough to buy one of these just to be able to watch iTMS purchased movies on their TV. If you're going to fork out $300 + the price of a computer, I can think of much better ways to do it. An XBox 360 for example is mor
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Um. No.
So all this really is is just a crippled version of a product Apple bought and killed.
This turns out not to be the case.
The "hard apple" I'm sleeping on was the fact that I own an EyeTV and this immediately became unsupported when Apple "bought" the ElGato developers.
I dunno, Stimpy. I think maybe someone pushed the History Eraser button, because in my universe
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Whoa, where did you get that from? I know that Apple bought another German computer/video company that did DVD authoring software but I've heard nothing about Munich based ElGato making a similar move to Cupertino. In fact I'm pretty sure they didn't. In any case the EyeTV line of products is mainly about tuners which AppleTV quite prominently does not have. There was a disappointing little product that ElGato sold, called EyeHome, that was like an NTS
Better than TiVo? (Score:2)
Re:Better than TiVo? (Score:4, Interesting)
IP based TV is one area where I don't see Apple making a dent on Microsoft's solution. There are many things going Microsoft's way here:
(a) Microsoft's 10 million or so install-base
(b) The fact that unlike most other Microsoft products, 360 has decent reputation and following in it's field
(c) Xbox Live is also very much "alive" already
(d) There will be a huge intersection of gamers and early adopters of IP based TV
(e) Xbox 360 is already connected to your TV and your home-theatre
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For example, the only thing that the Apple TV has that the D-link DSM-520 doesn't is the snazzy interface and the ability to play iTunes-protected media. On the other hand, the D-link gives you the ability to play a huge range of media formats (including DivX, WMV, MPEG-2/MPEG-1), has the S-video output, video up to 1080i, doesn't have that
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As a Mac user, fully agreed. My question is though: Why haven't other manufacturers clued into Apple's techniques?
Case in point: AppleTV vs. D-link DSM-520. Which sounds sexier? Why do manufacturers keep insisting on using freaking SKUs for product names? It does not work! Especially when your brand name has no style cachet in existence!
Second: Apple spent a lot of time on that UI, and it's slick as hell and looks easy enough to use for a grandma. Why can't other DVR, set-top box, or any other electroni
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Why can't other DVR, set-top box, or any other electronics manufacturer for that matter, clue into this and start designing beautiful and functional UI?
Well, to be fair, Front Row isn't the entire interface for the AppleTV; it's just the front end for the player. iTunes on your "general purpose computer running Windows or MacOS" has all the controls for acquiring the content.
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Imagine AppleTV produced around 100 models of AppleTV. Ok, now make them all sound sexy... good luck with that.
Apple's rule of thumb is to "dumb it down" and make it "marketing ready". They don't want or need to cater to the masses with lots of features, or low price, they just put out a single (or distinct few) simple products and concentrate all their marketing to pronouncing those the best thing since hot water.
Whether it'll work again we're
Re:Better than TiVo? (Score:5, Interesting)
You're wrong about the UI being the most important, the most important thing it has that the DSM doesn't is an Intel CPU. The AppleTV will be become the modders box du jour for video because of this fact alone. This is the FIRST Intel based media PC that is both silent and affordable. I'm expecting mine friday and the first thing I'm doing is popping the case open, pulling the drive, and seeing what I can do with this thing.
You omit important details. (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's see. For "half the cost", I can buy a used device, take the time to modify it myself, and come up with a box that doesn't include a remote, support, or warranty; doesn't sync with or stream from iTunes; doesn't sync my photo library; doesn't have wireless; is about five hundred times larger; has 1/5th the capacity; and doesn't actually support playing back HD video [xboxmediacenter.com].
Awesome.
Apple TV advantage (Score:2)
2) It looks really cool
3) iPod is a great marketing tool showing that Apple makes easy to use products.
4) Stand alone.
5) Steve Jobs field that distorts reality.
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I don't know why you think just because it's Apple the interface will be way way better. Tivo has a great interface and is very simple to use (yes even your grandma can use it). I'll also take Tivo's remote over Apple's any day. Tivo's is both easy to use
From the apple website (Score:5, Funny)
Re:From the apple website (Score:4, Insightful)
You've just changed the way you watch digital media.
Yeah, I can no longer watch it, because most of it is encoded with xvid, divx and vcd.
not for me i guess (Score:5, Insightful)
I would have snapped up an "HD iTivo" in a second but that's not what it is.
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Re:not for me i guess (Score:4, Informative)
Truely you jest.
Windows Media Center
ReplayTV
MythTV
MediaPortal (open-source backport of XBMC with added TV functionality)
DirectTV PVR (in house, current generation)
MS TV (closed box PVR for cable in use by major cable companies)
MS IPTV (NYR but shown at CES - closed box PVR for IPTV - xbox 360 and standalone)
UltimateTV (defunct)
I'm sure the list goes on. They all support recording, trick play, guide etc. and none of them infringe on any patent Tivo has. I'm sure Tivo's got a patent on a lot of aspects of their implementation, but nothing so all-encompasing that it would prevent Apple from including this functionality.
The reality is that it is HARD to provide a global (or even across the US) solution for TV which includes guide listings for everywhere, works with cable, satellite, etc. and is as reliable as a cable box. Apple is not interested in this (yet at least) and this is never what AppleTV was purported to be. It's more like a media center extender, except that it doesn't require a media center PC, or a windows media connect device with a better UI and no windows requirement.
That's a gross simplification of course, and I know they've made choices around local caching and PC-independent operation that differ from MCX and WMC - and choices around PC/Mac interop that differ from Tivo and all the closed box PVRs.
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I spent the last year watching "TV" via iTunes season passes of shows I liked. Then I got a smokin' deal on a Sony LCD TV and got cable hooked up. My bill comes out to the same $85 a month as yours and I *vastly* prefer my Comcast service over watching TV via iTMS.
- I get much broader access to content. Yes, iTMS has a lot of shows I watch; but cable has all of those shows plus a whole slue more that iTMS doesn't offer and probably won't for a while (various Discovery shows,
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I get much broader access to content. Yes, iTMS has a lot of shows I watch; but cable has all of those shows plus a whole slue more that iTMS doesn't offer and probably won't for a while (various Discovery shows, Good Eats, How Its Made, etc).
It is true content is king, but with your Comcast service you can watch what is playing on a channel now, what your PVR knew to grab for a while, and stuff you pay for each viewing. The future will tell if that collection is better than whatever content Apple pulls together, including no longer running shows and exclusive content.
If not, I can grab first run movies that I am to impatient to wait for via NetFlix.
Netflix is offering streaming now (in some areas) so you don't have to wait. It will likely be one more channel for content.
I like to throw The Office on in the background to remind me why I work at home
This is why I don't see "channels" going away. P
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Of course, I have a mac mini for the projector, and so I can get OTA, that cost me 2 months worth of cable except I can actually watch it, and it's real HD, not compressed cable hd.
You're just thinking it's a different product than it is,
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Why does one model preclude the other? How about a DVR which also allows you to access "pay to play" content such as movies and TV shows? Oh wait, I just described the Tivo + Amazon.com bus
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So here's a list of most of my current season passes. I didn't bother including shows where I'm recording re-runs since theoretically I could buy DVD box sets or something and just always have them around. Also bear in mind this is a 2-person household.
Heroes: $42.99
Lost: $34.99
Battlestar Galactica: $25.99
Supernatural: $34.99
Colbert Report/Daiy Show: $9.99/16 ep
OK (Score:4, Funny)
Too bad (Score:4, Interesting)
My bad (Score:2)
Re:Too bad (Score:5, Interesting)
See dropping the floppy on iMac, dropping ADB & SCSI in favor of USB and FireWire.
I have a feeling there will be more coming that takes advantage of the HDTV than exists in this 1.0 product.
Obligitary question (Score:5, Funny)
Web Browsing? (Score:2)
GoogleTV (Score:5, Funny)
Obviously with Google's advanced technology in search and category, these videos will be sorted into different categories, genre, rating etc.
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"I will be waiting for
Then you should check out Democracy (internet TV program):
http://www.getdemocracy.com/ [getdemocracy.com]
This is so not for the /. crowd (Score:4, Interesting)
For thoseof us who use our computers near-constantly there doesn't seem to be a point of making it easier to go from computer to TV, I don't think this box is for us. Now, if iTunes gets more movies and/or better pricing on movies and TV shows, then that may help.
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Geeky question (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Geeky question (Score:4, Informative)
Why is parent flamebait?
Just use your 360 (Score:4, Informative)
If you are trying to save cash, you can also use your classic XBOX or third-party dedicated device. We call them "Media Center Extenders" here at the 'Soft.
Re:Just use your 360 (Score:4, Funny)
Inquiring minds want to know!
Linux available on it in 3... 2... 1... (Score:3, Interesting)
One feature they really ought to add, and it could be done all in software, would be the ability to stream video off network shares or NAS devices rather than relying solely on its internal HD.
My Tivo and DVD Players are still better values (Score:3, Insightful)
My DVD player allows me to play DVDs I rent from a local video store that rents DVDs cheaper than iTunes sells downloadable movies. All I have to do is wait for a DVD release, and I have half-off membership to rent the DVD for $1.25 instead of $2.50 for a new movie because I am a loyal customer and get the discount as a result.
I don't need to have an Internet connection to use the Tivo or DVD players. In the case of Tivo most of the programming is due to a low cost monthly fee, and I get the Tivo player/recorder for free if I sign up for a year contract.
I don't really use iTunes, so I wouldn't benefit from an AppleTV box. I think that iTunes is ruining the market and locking down what we can and cannot play on our own equipment. We no longer can buy a movie, and we no longer have control over how we can play it and on what device we can play it on. For example my Linux box and third party MP3 player cannot play iTunes files, nor can my Amiga box. Ironically that my G3 iMac runs Mac OS9, and does not have the latest iTunes software for it to use with the AppleTV had I bought one.
AppleTV is a nice idea, I suppose if one buys a lot of iTunes files. I except Microsoft to have a MSNTV in a year or two to compete with AppleTV. I'd suspect they use some sort of Windows CE type device at the $299 or $199 price range, or maybe offer a discount on an XBox 360 if the buying agrees to a one year contract with media subscriptions and get $200 in rebates from the XBox 386 sale.
The limitations of the AppleTV is that it cannot get my satellite programming, cannot play my DVDs (do they expect me to rip them into some format and violate that MPAA agreement?), cannot work with my Linux and Amiga boxes, and limits how many times I can play a file or how long I can play a file due to DRM that isn't present on my Tivo or DVD players.
My Tivo and DVD players allow me to play any media any time I want for as long as I want for how many times I want to play it. AppleTV does not, so I don't need AppleTV.
Widescreen Only? (Score:5, Interesting)
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It might be that the interface simply requires higher resolution than standard definition TVs. But if that is the case, the fonts are probably too small anyway.
The real reason is probably that the people that are likely to splash out $299 for this product are very unlikely to have an old 4:3 TV and Apple probably want this product associated with 'high end'.
DivX Sucks (Score:2)
Please, everyone, stop using DivX and move to H.264.
No, DivX is not the mp3 of video. H.264 is.
What is this guy smoking? (Score:2)
I'll give you HDMI as "newer" but component video? We're talking a 10 year old standard at least, here.
And if you're going to go into the HD aspects of the box, why not address the fact that it only goes up to 720p?
Ahem... (Score:4, Interesting)
All this for $299? You could theoretically buy an Xbox 360 for the same price and watch video stored on your computer downloaded from the internet or DVDs, or play games. For $399 (not Mossberg's "50% more"), you can watch video stored on your computer, play DVDs, play games, download games and demos, and download episodes of shows and movies as well as trailers, etc. You don't even need to have a controller plugged in. The remote will do just fine.
For $300, you could also buy an old Xbox, "convert" it to something similar, and still have money for a Tivo. And I'm sure there's dozens of other options (that I'm not aware of) that work just as well for less.
I'm not a fan of useless combination of features but AppleTV is far, far away from being a killer app, as are most set-top boxes.
Watching Divx with iTunes trick (Score:5, Interesting)
By opening a Divx file into a registered version of Quicktime you can save a reference file of the movie that is loadable into iTunes and Front Row. Works with Xvid as well. I haven't tested this on an AppleTV but since it's the conduit for iTunes into your TV, I don't see why it wouldn't work.
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$100 Media Extender Anyone, Anyone? (Score:3, Informative)
I understand why a person that has a considerable investment in iTunes content would want one of these devices, but beyond that or a new market is something this is not.
What scares me is that Media Extenders have been around for 4 or 5 years, cost about $100, and do everything this product does and more. Also considering a lot of the Media Extenders are UPnP and various other forms, they are not MS Media Center exclusive and I know people that use them with their *nix servers all the time.
So if you can buy a Media Extender that can watch live TV from your computers, watch recorded content, watch DVDs, watch downloaded content, listen to all your music, watch early forms of IPTV, why on earth you would you buy this product instead and lock yourself into iTunes or iTunes only converted content?
Want to play DIVX, WMV, just buy a Media Extender, even hooking it up to a freaking Windows Media Center computer or Vista will allow you to do all of this, and Vista Media Center Extenders natively support HD video out of the box, in a TRUE HD resolution, something Apple isn't even offering or planning to.
Media Extenders are silent, wireless or wired and can access every storage device, computer or computer based Tuner in your house.
As some have suggested, you would be smarter to spend the money on an XBox 360 which also gives you all these features and you can play a game on it once in a while as well. Again in real HD.
Why is it everyone has seen Media Extenders at Circuit City and Best Buy for years and years now, and when Apple tries to create their 'very closed' version of one, they are seen as doing something new?
How is their marketing team always smarter than the people buying this stuff?
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I still haven't bought a DVD player, because all the models I've seen include subtitles. WTF? I'm not deaf, why should I pay extra for subtitles!
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It's horribly horribly silly.
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Re:and screw color (Score:4, Funny)
Pixels! We would have died to have pixels.
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If it does NOT support Divx, then I will buy one.
I'm selling empty cardboard boxes for $50, kills AppleTV in price up and down.
They don't play DivX or XviD, even don't play DVD. Soo... ground or express shipping?
Re:No chance! (Score:5, Informative)
Or, you know... not.
There's an "Export to [apple]tv..." option in the latest quicktime that produces unencumbered H.264 files. So DRM is not a requirement for it to play. The apple specs only declare a smallish subset of H.264 and MPEG4 files, but 720p H.264 isn't bad at all.
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"When you download movies from iTunes, you get near DVD-quality, 640-by-480-pixel video(1)"
WHy is this Widescreen only?
Can I import any movie quicktime can play into iTunes?
I couldn't find the answer on Apple.com
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That much at least is a straight forward: Yes.
I don't KNOW that iTunes can send ANY movie it can play to AppleTV, but its pretty likely.
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> out of the box are slim as their computers don't even support
> it natively (needs a codec download).
I guess you can decode most DivX files with ffmpeg and other open decoders. But I can see that this has some legal implications so it can't be done in Apple TV.
Actually I find it quite funny that lowend $20 supermarket player from China has no problems with playing just anything that it can play (processing power) while some hi-spec hardw
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H.264 and protected H.264 (from iTunes Store): Up to 5 Mbps, Progressive Main Profile (CAVLC) with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps (maximum resolution: 1280 by 720 pixels at 24 fps, 960 by 540 pixels at 30 fps)
iTunes Store purchased video: 320 by 240 pixels or 640 by 480 pixels
MPEG-4: Up to 3 Mbps, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps (maximum resolution: 720 by 432 pixels at 30 fps)
So, it isn't quite as limited as s
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If you can import video into iTunes, it'll play on the AppleTV. Nothing wrong with that.
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With an Apple product, "no word" definitely means it doesn't play them.
Re:About Time (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, but there's not "no word". There's specific word that it doesn't play them direct from Apple itself. It syncs with iTunes; that's what it does. It supports h.264 and QuickTime, which is what iTunes supports. That's what it plays.
Maybe eventually somebody will figure out how to hack it to play divx, but out of the box, it definitely doesn't. A simple look at the AppleTV product page would tell you that. The submitter apparently doesn't know how to read.
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welcome to today. it's not really a "hack" per se. but i can get divx to play in itunes. and if it plays in itunes it should play on apple tv. it requires quicktime pro. open the divx file in quicktime. then in the save dialog box you can click the "save as reference movie" box. ta
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Perhaps they just don't want to have the hassle of supporting other people's technology (and the subsequent lawsuits over IP even though they might use open variations, etc.)?
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From my persepctive, there are other similar solutions, but the Hauppauge MediaMVP is not one of them for a number of reasons. Just read the product page: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_media mvp.html [hauppauge.com]
For one thing, it's composite and s-video only. I know some people are whining that the AppleTV doesn't support th
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Netgear just released Digital Entertainer HD EVA8000. It does MPEG1, MPEG2, MPEG4, AVI, WMV, Xvid, YouTube, and PC Tv Tuner with HDMI 1080p. Their previous version is scaled down to just MPEG1, MPEG2, MPEG4, AVI, WMV, and Xvid with component cables.
Apple TV is not inventing anything new but just trying