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Parallels Beta Adds Boot Camp, Desktop
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CmdrTaco
on Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:08 AM
from the stuff-to-play-with dept.
from the stuff-to-play-with dept.
Verunks writes "Parallels has released a new beta of its virtualization product for Mac OS X. This new release includes one major new feature, something Parallels calls Coherency: "Shows Windows applications as if they were Mac ones. Try it and enjoy best of both worlds truly at the same time. No more switching between Windows to Mac OS." Check out this Screenshot"
More interesting to me is the Boot Camp support so you can have a single partition to run IE7 in Parallels to test compatibility of a website but reboot to play video games that need a little more juice.
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Incidentally... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Incidentally... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Wine, CrossOver, and VMs (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.oxygenxml.com/ [oxygenxml.com]
Re:Incidentally... (Score:5, Informative)
The beta is far from complete, I just tried it on my boot camp partition and the mouse/keyboard were unresponsive. (Even after installing the given tools)
Moreover each time you switch between parallels and boot camp Windows is deactivated Thus I have to go through the reactivation procedure each time !!! i've done this about three times already and I'm afraid it'll just stop allowing me to reactivate it (even though it's a legitimate license)
Re:Incidentally... (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Tuesday May 03 2005, @09:38PM)
So you have a bought and paid for copy of Windows and they've made you afraid to use it. Seems like there's a moral in there somewhere.
Re:Incidentally... (Score:4, Informative)
(http://www.gameupdates.org/)
This is the default with Wine... and I believe it's also the way crossover office works. You have to go in and specify that you want a "desktop" to get one. Also... the window borders with wine are actually drawn using your window manager in linux... so you don't even get the ugly XP titlebar and stuff.
So what "feature" is it that is missing from Wine that you see here?
Friedmud
DRM Angle? (Score:2, Funny)
(http://cheeseburgerbrown.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday November 06, @02:10PM)
Also, does it come in different colours? Because I know some girls who use Macs. They like their GUI to match their purses.
Parallels Desktop simply kicks ass (Score:4, Interesting)
If Parallels was publicly traded, I'd be buying up a lot of their stock. These features are too damned useful for Apple to not add to OS X at some point, and the best way would be for them to just whip out the checkbook and buy the company.
I Should Write Native Mac Apps...Why? (Score:2, Insightful)
Out of good will?
Because of indignant responses from hardcore Mac fans?
Maintaining a separate Cocoa code base for a product, buy and support expensive Mac hardware, maintain Mac software engineers
or let Mac users run our app from Parallels...
Re:I Should Write Native Mac Apps...Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I Should Write Native Mac Apps...Why? (Score:4, Interesting)
You may know more people who have VPC or Parallels than not (I do too), but how sure are you that those people will be representative to the entire Mac market? To the market you want to aim your product at? (Unless it's "technologically competent user who has ever heard of Slashdot", fat chance.)
There's also psychology in it. At its core, the people that are now switching to Macs are not switching *because you can run Windows on it*. They are switching *because you can run Mac OS X on it*; the ability to run Windows on it just pushed them over the edge because Mac OS X doesn't have a 90%+ market share. If they were indifferent to what software they preferred, they'd be using a different brand of computers, and run Windows, not Mac OS X.
Most Mac users, even the ones propped up with VPC or Parallels (I plead guilty), ultimately want to run Mac-native software rather than Windows software. Parallels is life-support for existing software that people need to run, and even if it was free and shipped with all Macs and took up half the memory and disk space that it does today, it doesn't make Windows software into Mac software.
You don't need to think that Mac software is superior to Windows software to concede that Mac software has an advantage over Windows software running in a Mac simply because it gets access to all system APIs to things like address books and keychains and hardware support and preferences, and because it looks like everything else you run. Windows software just think it's running on an isolated box and won't become aware of the Mac OS X side of your computer unless you as a user go to some length and the software itself supports it, at which point the developer will already need to make way in their timeplan and budget for Mac-specific testing.
Still not convinced?
1. Mac market share is currently surging. More people, not fewer, will arrive at the Mac platform in the next few years, and building a dedicated version (and almost no well-designed application will need to be rewritten entirely from scratch) is becoming more and more economically feasible.
2. Would you want to bet your entire Mac user base on a competitor not releasing a native Mac version? Unless it's a turd, people will switch to that in a heartbeat. You will lose out months of sales as you rush a native product to market, or need to pull out of a market completely.
It's *BETA* for a Reason (Score:5, Informative)
(http://waldo.jaquith.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday January 16 2002, @01:20AM)
Windows is the new Classic (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Monday February 12 2007, @06:09AM)
Apple really needs to buy Parallels or do something similar. It would make a huge difference to people moving from Windows to the Mac and eventually, Windows could go the same way as Classic MacOS has under OS X and just fade away. I don't think MS would be very pleased with this development though
Re:Windows is the new Classic (Score:4, Informative)
VMWare Fusion - Coherency? (Score:1)
updates (Score:3, Insightful)
(http://www.shambala.net)
Windows activation? (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.eruvia.org/)
I upgraded from a previous install, which means I had a disk image of Windows installed rather than a real partition. What I'm wondering is how Windows would cope with being booted for real on MacBook Pro hardware one moment, then booted again in Parallels another moment. Surely that would kick Windows activation into life?
Cheers,
Ian
Really good for Parallels (Score:5, Interesting)
Obviously it is a big feature for users who might be interested in Boot Camp and Parallels. One license, keeping the same settings etc.
The thing that will bring the real benefits to Parallels though are related to development. Working with Boot Camp means that Parallels can access the Boot Camp drivers for Windows that Apple writes. Every time Apple updates their hardware they'll update Boot Camp with new drivers. This will make it much easier for Parallels to keep up with new hardware.
Boot Camp adds a driver for the touchpad that includes Apple's right click implementation. Suddenly it's in Parallels automagically. Apple ads a driver to operate the inbuilt iSight. Parallels can start using it too.
Shared documents are potentially great. Apple should work with Parallels to ensure things like the iTunes library (and iTS purchased music) is available in the Windows partition.
Apple have already said that they are not going to include virtualisation in Leopard because they are so happy with the performance of Parallels.
If necessary they'd buy Parallels to ensure that development keeps going on. They might do it anyway to reduce the costs.
Re:Really good for Parallels (Score:4, Informative)
I don't get it... (Score:2, Interesting)
Let me get this straight: First, I have to buy a copy of Windows, so that I can run Windows programs on my Mac?
Isn't this like paying Rosie O'Donell for sex when you're already dating Halle Berry?
Truly Amazing New Features (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.lkmc.ch/)
There are four features I just love about this release (well, there are more, but these are my main favourites):
All in all an utterly amazing update. I found this screencast [michaelverdi.com] showing some of the features.
Coherency is cool (Score:2)
(http://bityard.net/ | Last Journal: Thursday August 08 2002, @04:18PM)
A Better Windows Than Windows? (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.gidds.me.uk/)
After all, we know what happened to the last OS [wikipedia.org] which did this: by billing itself as "a better Windows than Windows", it signed its own death warrant. After all, who'd develop a native app when it runs Windows apps so well?
fast enough for things like CAD though? (Score:3, Informative)
Win-OS/2 nostalgia (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't want to
Compare some of those images to the Parallels desktop, and you'll get my drift. Welcome to the early 90s!
The comparison to OS/2 brings up another interesting question for the future of OS X. Ignoring the eerily similar name (OS 2, OS X, ha ha) how much incentive will there be for software publishers to write native OS X applications when emulation such as this exists? Back then you could get a copy of Lotus 123 for OS/2, but running Lotus 123 for Windows under win-OS/2 ran almost as well, with copy and paste support and object embedding, and etc. How many copys of 123 did Lotus sell for the OS/2 platform?
Apple has a long history of supporting compatibility products. Users have had choices ranging from Orange PC cards to SoftWindows. However, these came with somewhat of a price or performance cost. If Windows emulation on OS X becomes ubiquitous, where does that leave OS X as an application platform?
I like OS X a lot. There is an appeal for me to be able to run unix apps along side X11 apps along side OS X apps along side Windows apps. Does OS X not run the risk, however, of following OS/2, NextStep, and Be into obscurity by emulating itself out of existence? True, Apple is a hardware vendor, and they provide a vertical solution of hardware and software. Maybe OS X will survive where OS/2 did not.
Full disclosure, I am writing this from Gentoo on a Macbook Pro.
Implementation shows through on Windows 2000... (Score:2)
(http://www.scarydevil.com/~peter/ | Last Journal: Monday September 26 2005, @06:53PM)
(why Windows 2000? Because I already own a copy of Windows 2000, and see no reason to spend an extra couple of hundred dollars when I'm only using Windows as a hosted OS to run a specific application)
All "Windows" windows stack together... (Score:2)
(http://www.scarydevil.com/~peter/ | Last Journal: Monday September 26 2005, @06:53PM)
I was hoping for better. An early competitor to the Citrix technology in Windows Terminal Server, NTerprise, did real window level virtualization. It operated at the GDI level rather than screen-scraping, and you could share local and remote UNIX and Windows windows on the same desktop without any clue other then rendering speed which was which.
On the other hand having the command-X/V/C copy and paste commands work consistently is a BIG boon. Now if only they'd have an option to present a 101-key layout to the virtual machine and keep the rest of the Apple command keys in the Apple world.
Re:Slowdowns? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:GPU access (Score:5, Informative)
(http://poltras.com/)
Re:Parallels Vs. VMWare (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Parallels Vs. VMWare (Score:5, Informative)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Sunday March 26 2006, @01:47PM)
~Philly
Re:Parallels Vs. VMWare (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Parallels Vs. VMWare (Score:2, Insightful)
(http://www.isights.org/)
As to Linux... well, it's open source. Just change the driver yourself.
Re:Parallels Vs. VMWare (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Slowdowns? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Parallels Vs. VMWare (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Parallels Vs. VMWare (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Slowdowns? (Score:3, Informative)
But on an Intel Mac none of this is an issue, since the Windows app and a mac one run on exactly the same instruction set. Of course, the API the applications use will be completely different. Virtualisation is about running two kernels simultaneously on the same hardware. Now this is tricky, because OS kernels want to be in sole control of the hardware. The x86 isn't completely self virtualisable, i.e. you can't trap and emulate all the instructions you need to fool the kernel, so you go back to profiling and translating, at least for kernel mode code. Or you can trap many more instructions than you need to. But recent intel chips have a technology called VT which plugs the holes and allows self virtualisation.
So you can run the guest kernel code at full speed, and trap and emulate just enough to keep the guest OS under control of the hypervisor.
Re:Parallels Vs. VMWare (Score:1)
Re:Parallels Vs. VMWare (Score:1)
(http://www.iamnota.com/)
Re:Parallels Vs. VMWare (Score:1)
While you can't run IE 7 in Linux yet...IE 6/Flash 9 & below is certainly possible with Wine from any desktop at the following address:
http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/downloads/ies
Re:Slowdowns? (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Wednesday July 06 2005, @10:01PM)
Re:Parallels Vs. VMWare (Score:2)
I own an iBook, and the biggest concern I had when I bought it was that I might hate not having a second trackpad button. After having used it, though, I'll tell you one thing: having only one button actually works better. It's actually easier and more natural to hit a modifier key with my left hand while pointing and clicking with my right, and I don't have to look down to find the 2nd mouse button.
Re:Parallels Vs. VMWare (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Friday September 05 2003, @05:07PM)
You've got to be kidding. Right mouse click works perfectly fine on my MacBook Pro with Mac OS X, and on both Windows XP and Fedora Core Linux using Parallels.