Blue Screen of Death for Mac OS X

An anonymous reader writes "Possibly nothing in the OS world has as much of a bad rap as the infamous BSOD (blue screen of death) in Microsoft Windows. On the other hand Apple hides the ugly kernel panics behind a nice looking GUI which only tells you its time to restart your dead system. Interestingly Mac OS X kernel has a secret API which lets you decide what your kernel panics are going to look like! In this Mac OS X Internals article Amit Singh explains how to use this API. Apparently you can upload custom panic images into the kernel and there's even a way to test these images by causing a fake panic. The article also shows the ultimate joke is to upload an actual BSOD image for authentic Windows looking panics right inside of OS X."

Not like Microsoft invented it...

It's not like Microsoft invented it, either. I remember these [wikipedia.org] quite unfondly. Before that I had a frozen screen on a C64. And before that I had stopped lights on the PDP-11 display. And before that we had random characters all over the screen of Ohio Scientific (OSI) computers.

But Microsoft is widely credited with perfecting the BSoD and giving it fame.

A system crash with a tasteful little box can be as easily dispised as all the the preceding. I suppose, like everything Apple is doing these days, they've given it a certain panache and now everybody will want one.

Keep it simple

If you have an unstable system (BSOD-worthy), then it is probably best to rely on as few system resources as possible. THis includes GUIs etc. That's why a simple text-based BSOD or oops handler is a better idea than something that tries to do a whole bunch of cute graphics etc (which relies on a whole lot more hardware & software to be working properly).

Re:Keep it simple

THis includes GUIs etc. That's why a simple text-based BSOD or oops handler is a better idea than something that tries to do a whole bunch of cute graphics etc (which relies on a whole lot more hardware & software to be working properly).

You are so not a Mac owner based on these statements.

Re:Keep it simple

The graphical version takes slightly fewer resources. You have to run a single buffer through an RLE decompression routine directly out into a linear mapped framebuffer. To display text you actually have to use all of the console code. Remember, there is no hardware console, so you have to actually do all the text element positioning in software, and the graphics card is in exactly the same mode either way.

It does not take appreciably more resources either way, and both code paths are fairly simple and well tested.

Re:Keep it simple

Keep it simple AND keep it informative. A real BSOD will include information about the stop code and arguments at the time of death. If the system knows which driver caused the crash it will tell you this as well.
The Mac panic screen not only takes more resources to display but they tell you far less. "Please restart" in 23 different languages is not helpful. The 10.0 and 10.1 version looked much better.

Obviously you are NOT ready for the Mac. Come see the light, friend.

Do you really think that Apple have decided error codes and detailed crash reports are not important?? No, of course they have not. There are two reasons Apple does this.

1) The truth is that the infamous blue page of kernel farts that windows spews out are only to technicians or sysadmins. The home user, and in fact, the power users, can do nothing with it. Nothing, of course, except Google for the stop code and hope Microsoft has a techhelp article on what it means. You can reply to this and say that

STOP: 0x0000008E (c0000005, bf875fc3, f07bcd48, 00000000)
KERNEL_MODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED

makes perfect sense to you... but you'd be lying. I know that the relevent part is 8E but 99% of users NEVER NEED TO SEE THIS and will NEVER USE IT.

Back to Apple. Apple has a little ditty called the "CrashReporter" and it has an OSX front-end to the system's log filed in /var/log/. The logs contain all the nitty gritty about what was in the registers when the sytem exploded, what driver/module caused it, etc readily and easily recorded in the system log. Said information (like STOP: 0x0000000000000000008E) is for a tech or sysadmin, not a standard user.

2) What do you do with the BSOD info displayed?? A true nooblar would write it all down. That's a waste of time, becuase its also in Windows' system log. Assuming you're going to Google for it, you would presumably reboot the machine, right? So why did we even need to see the error when it happened? The machine is up not, and the logs are visible...??

Bottom line: Apple's goal is to keep things simple, clean and friendly. What would your parents rather see?

1. A pleasant semi-transparent overlay that asks them to reboot their machine (in their native language)
2. A solid blue screen reading "KERNEL_MODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED" followed by 30 rows of random-like numbers

Which one?

P.S. - Don't even think about saying "what happens if you cant boot." If that is the case, remove the new hardware. Otherwise you are in DEEP trouble... the code doesnt really matter and you'd actually be better off reading the error from /var/log.

Re:Keep it simple

Regarding your first point; I'm more than a power user. I can actually figure out what those funny numbers mean. But, I never, ever, do. Who the hell does?

Re:Not like Microsoft invented it...

Guru meditations were awesome, and I fondly remember that flashing red border.

But Amiga wasn't first. The Mac "Bomb" preceded it, and was notoriously useless for troubleshooting.

Still, most Windows XP users haven't seen a BSOD ever. Go ahead and ask them. See, Windows XP solved that. But mysteriously, their power supply is unreliable, and "trips" on the slightest whim.

You gotta love that. "BSOD is bad for marketing, and most people don't know what to do with the information anyway. Let's just reset the computer and pretend it's a power spike."

I'd advise people to change their default settings, but one time I had "write memory contents to log file on BSOD" enabled when I was moving data about, and hand less free memory on my HD than in RAM.

Don't ever, ever do that.

Re:Not like Microsoft invented it...

But Amiga wasn't first. The Mac "Bomb" preceded it, and was notoriously useless for troubleshooting.

Error: Type 11

"But I keep typing 11 and nothing's happening"

Re:Not like Microsoft invented it...

A system crash with a tasteful little box can be as easily dispised as all the the preceding.

that is precisely true.

My machine at work has some kind of hardware problem that was never quite solved while it was under applecare. it "panics" at least once a day, some days, it'll "panic" 5-10 times. Some things that set it off are scrolling in a terminal window (such as when I'm sync'ing portage on our server) or putting an audio CD in the lower optical drive.

The last time we brought it to tekserve, they claimed that both scsi drives were bad and they replaced them, and we didn't have a panic for a couple months, but by the time they came back (and with a vengence, I might add), there was no more applecare coverage...

I quote "panic" because sometimes I get that nice pretty "please restart your computer" screen, sometimes I get the text dump on the desktop, and sometimes the machine locks up, altogether.

luckily, we're getting one of those nice quad-xeon machines as soon as adobe releases the new creative suite, at which point I'll throw this machine out of a window.

Re:Not like Microsoft invented it...

It's not like Microsoft invented it, either.

Microsoft had a single DEBUG line in the registry for Windows 95 -- it allowed the application of your choice to intercept the crash.

The first commercially successful program to implement it was "Power Utilities 95 with Crashproof" [quickerwit.com] that handled/exposed many hardware conflict sins without just covering them up.

About 50K copies later and good shelf space at Frys/COMPUSA/BestBuy , Symantec took notice and put out their $29 Crashproofing program that didn't perform dozens of system checks or even unmask the cause of the crash.

If version 1.0 of that Norton floppy disk consisted of anything more than copying a 1 line registry change and a pointer to a bitmap, then it never showed in practice.

Re:Not like Microsoft invented it...

No, MS didn't invent it. They just perfected it. Remember when there was talk about adding a BSOD hotkey to the MS keyboard, so you wouldn't have to go through the hassle of running software to get it?

Sort of unrelated

Sort of unrelated:

I used to have BSOD as my screen saver for an earlier version of Fedora (IIRC). It was always amusing when people would stop by to chat, a little while later, they'd see my PC suddenly BSOD! The looks I'd see (on other people's faces) makes me laugh just remembering.

Likewise

Likewise in windows you can change the background color and text color of the BSOD (or at least you could uder 98, I haven't had the desire to play around with it under 2000 / XP since they crash much less frequently).

Let me be the first to say

I, for one, welcome our new department-wide goatse.cx kernel panic message.

Any of you guys hiring?

Well on the upside

The Win32 BSOD does give you better information so you can try to diagnose the problem.

Which is kinda lacking in the OSX Panic screen.

Re:Well on the upside

But then MS made the brillant decision to reboot the system right when the BSOD appeared, robbing it of any usefulness. Or perhaps they didn't do it on purpose, but I've seen plenty of displays just go blue for a split second, then blank as the system started rebooting.

Re:Well on the upside

The Win32 BSOD does give you better information so you can try to diagnose the problem.

Kind of like knowing that there were:
- 56 bulbs
- 24 horizontal grill bars
- 72 vertical ridges on 1600 sq ft of 1/4" steel
- 20% full gas tank
- 209,000 miles driven
- 3 tread patterns
- 5 axles
- 18 wheels

You still got hit by a truck.

Re:Well on the upside

I find it very useful for the rare occasions that I get BSODs anymore to at least know what driver caused the problem. If the BSOD lists something like atixxxxx, then I know that my video card screwed up, and so on. Because almost all of my crashes are caused by driver or hardware problems, its helpful knowing just what that problem is so I can fix the driver or replace the hardware (and thus almost never get crashes on that computer in the future).

Re:Well on the upside

Kernel panic information gets logged on reboot to a file and you can capture a kernel core dump if you want.

Review... TN2063 [apple.com], TN2118 [apple.com], Debugging the Kernel [apple.com], etc.

The world's funniest joke

Hardly the ultimate joke. Jokes are supposed to be original. This has been a screen saver under Linux for years.

Anyway, couldn't this be described as the ultimate joke [youtube.com]?

Old Hat

Yawn.

Once upon a time, I was chairing an out-of-town meeting with a roomful of engineers. We spent most of the morning working a spreadsheet with margin calculations on it trying to come up with a margin budget that everyone could live with; I was running the machine that drove the projector.

The conversation took a turn away from the spreadsheet, and after a bit the BSOD came up onscreen. The panic in the room was palpable -- everyone figured we'd just lost the whole morning, and quite a few had afternoon flights out.

So I hit the shift key and entered my password to unlock the screen.

The classic BSOD screensaver gets the same amusement factor without the hassle of hacking OSX.

Chairing a Meeting

I know it's off-topic, but I just had to share the image that came to mind when I first read this:

Once upon a time, I was chairing an out-of-town meeting with a roomful of engineers...

Picture, if you will, a meeting room filled with terrified engineers, all cowering behind one end of the table and desperately trying to shield their heads from ballistic chairs, being hurled by a Donkey-Kong like Steve Ballmer, who in turn is jumping up and down upon the far end of the table...

I know the Steve Ballmer jokes are old and off-topic (and I don't mean to compare you to him) but the image of "chairing" a meeting full of engineers was just to hilarious not to share. :-)

I have only seen the Screen of Death on OS X only

Back early on there was a bug in OS X which I think slashdot mentioned that caused a BSOD it required moving a directory into itself. Besides that one time I havn't seen the BSOD. after over 4 years of using my powerbook even doing stuff that it shouldn't be doing.

Leave it to apple!

Leave it to Apple to give you a choice when it comes to Panic screens. Does Vista do this yet?

This is taking things too far...

I know that Mac users are supposed to be more friendly towards Windows users switching over but changing the kernal panic screen to match the BSOD is going too far. If you want it that badly, install Windows on a separate partition.

What about the Guru?

I'd personally go for a nice old fashioned Guru Meditation Error. :) *Digs around his garage for his A500*

Hidden?

hides the ugly kernel panics behind a nice looking GUI

It must hide them really well because in 4 or 5 years I haven't seen one. (I did once about 5 years ago though - that'll teach me to mess with third party USB drivers.)

Stupid boring new crash screen...

That's not NEARLY as cool as the car crash sound Macs used to make when they really, really, REALLY blew up fierce. Get a good pair of speakers, and that sound would scare the tar out of everybody in the area!

I think it only happened to me once, on a junky old LCIII, while I was just working. There was a key combo to induce it on boot, though, and I got a lot of mileage out of that...

Gray screen of death

I have gotten the gray screen of death twice on my Quad.

When capturing QuickTime video, QuickTime writes one copy of the file and then makes another. If you are capturing to a mastering codec (ie animation) minutes can become gigabytes. It is easy to fill up the internal HD in this case.

What can easily happen in this case is the file writing routines will start writing over allocated blocks. System files, even track zero. If it writes over track zero, your internal hard drive will be destroyed.

How do I know this? It happened to me twice.

The second time, I was left with a 17 GB file on my hard drive that can not be deleted by any means other than reformatting the disk. The first time it happened, the HD was borked so bad that plugging it into another Mac caused that mac to kernel panic. Apple replaced the drive but I lost everything minus my backups.

As I was told by an Apple tech, when a hd starts up the dirve itself checks the validity of track zero. If it is invalid, you have a hardware fault and this generates a kernel panic.

This was all validated by Apple techs.

You have been warned. Hope this helps someone.

Re:Gray screen of death

That's not the point. A malicious user can hose the entire system by running 'cat /dev/zero >> /opt/junk'. And I mean hose as in "system unusable, 100% of data lost"; the worst kind of hosed. The fact that Final Cut has options to manage this doesn't detract from the fact that the OS should manage itself better. Writing over track 0 on the HD? Creation of undeletable files? What is this, a return to the 8-bit days again?

When you get to 100MB free, the OS should tell the applications to go away. It should never fill 100% of the drive. Let's see you boot to remedy it when you can't write to log files.

Re:Gray screen of death

This has been a serious flaw in Unixes since I knew about it. The OS will let your HD fill up and overwrite itself. Many *nix flag wavers often defend this behaviour. Why they do is beyond me.

You're completely wrong. When the free space reaches 100%, write() will return ENOSPC (no space). The superuser will still be able to use the system, because traditionally, there's a 5% reserve which only uid=0 can use. (The "df" goes up to 105%.) The correct semantics are well-defined. If you've seen anything else, it's a bug in whatever system you were using, which no one could seriously defend.

Now, if you're talking about user applications breaking when encountering this condition...yeah, there are certainly some out there that break. There are buggy applications written for every platform. It's just laziness - Unix gives them well-defined semantics they can use to handle it correctly and an easy test environment (quotas).

Re:Gray screen of death

Excuse me, Sir, but that is a misunderstanding on your part. Mac OS X does not overwrite track zero just because the disk is full.

What you have experienced is the phenomenom of Mac OS X getting caught up in: "ups, the disk is full - so now I can't save any (system) preferences." Any files written during this will end up as zero-byte files.

There is no magic "QuickTime will overwrite vital systemfiles, to which only root has access"-routines.

Ultimate joke....

"The article also shows the ultimate joke is to upload an actual BSOD image for authentic Windows looking panics right inside of OS X."

Ya! and then we could like, (snicker, snicker) we could like, bring up pictures of toilet paper on the monitor (snicker, snicker) and they would think (hehe, snicker) they would think they got T.P.'ed! HAHAHAHA!!!!!111!!!

Did anyone else just develop a twitch in their left eye?

Hmm.. poster hasn't used osx much

It already has a black screen of death. Favourite for causing it is to plug in certain brands of firewire hard drive (once did it with a USB network card too).

If the OS itself hasn't failed just the GUI you get the spinning wheel of death..

Never heard of any kind of option that "hides the ugly kernel panics behind a nice looking GUI".. possibly a 3rd party app he's installed.

BSOD

Maybe Linux needs to adopt this so as to ease the transition from MS Windows.

Oligatory Monty Python Reference

If the aptly named blue screen of death is indeed the ultimate joke, people should die laughing at it.

Another promise Microsoft didn't keep...

There were rumors, before XP came out, that they were going to respond to the iMac by making the Blue Screen of Death available in five designer colors.

Old and Busted: BSOD. New: RSOD

Whatever happened to the Longhorn / Vista 'Red Screen of Death'?
Red is so much scarier.
http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2005/05/07/4 15335.aspx [msdn.com]

Bah! You young punks!

You young punks and blue-screens-of-panic blah, blah blah!

...In my day, we didn't even HAVE screens, just a blinking light and if that light ever stopped blinking, you knew there was trouble, boy...

BSOD

sometime ago I used BSOD as the screen saver on a Mac (for a short time, on a G3?)

Redmond...

Redmond, start your photocopiers!

Maybe someday we'll actually SEE it?

doubtful. been on OS X now for a number of years, not one single kernel panic.

I've had... let's see...

Maybe half a dozen? That's since 2000, when I installed the Beta, and then 10.1. Two causes: when I installed Panther, I got a new USB hub at the same time. Half my kernel panics right then. It was a bad hub that delivered less than its rated power. BAM! Later, when I moved up to the G5, I moved my old OS over from the G4. I used Carbon Copy Cloner, but I screwed up something -- I now use SuperDuper! because it's a real Mac app -- and something got really screwy about root and my admin account. Again, another three reboots. Did a fresh erase and install, no problems since then.

That's about 6 years now.

no news?

A thus, a VERY slow news day...

Moo

BSoD is for the NT (and XP) lines. Win9x is a blue screen, not a BSoD.

The *reason* it called a BSoD, is because the computer will not do *anything* without a reboot. This is not usually the case under 9x.

Yeah, funny like AFHV

The article also shows the ultimate joke is to upload an actual BSOD image for authentic Windows looking panics right inside of OS X.

Ah man, now THAT'S humor. If by humor, you mean stupid.

Yeah but

You can change it, but you'll probably never see it! haha... ive seen mine only once in the 18 months I've owned my PB.

Becouse you all know...

... Macs Crash Different [youtube.com]

And don't get me wrong, I'm typing this on a Mac and I would not trade it for anything else out there ;)

Lol

I got a BSOD while reading these comments, no joke :P

BSOD image links dead...

I decided to go and read this article because i'm in search of an authentic BSOD image, but the links in the article are dead.

Any pointers as to where i can get one?

You want the ultimate joke?

On a Windows machine anyway...

Wait until somebody goes AFK.
Take a screenshot of their desktop, save to My Documents.
Right-click -> Arrange by -> Uncheck Show Desktop Icons
Set desktop background to bitmap you saved
Hide Start menu
Watch as their computer magically "quits responding"

Re:You want the ultimate joke?

Its NOT Funny, OK ???

Once we built a system for C*tibank (T+2) in FoxPro 2.6 for Windows and one of the users actually took a screenshot of the same, put it as background, and then complained our application doesn't work.

We spent 2 FULL days debugging the damn application before we realized the issue.

Oh.... &&%%$$&&

Pretty instead of useful.

Yes just what I want.  my own custom image blocking any information regarding why my system just crashed.

Oh really?

I didn't even know, because my Mac has never crashed.. ever. My Windows XP machine just reboots itself. I'm supposed to think it overheated or something, I guess. Very clever.

Ultimate ?

Im sure there are some much better kernel panic ideas than a BSOD?

How about a Guru Meditation ? http://guru.simon.net.nz/ [simon.net.nz]

There must be some other cool ones out there?

Nick ...

The difference being...

... I've been using Mac OS X for a few years now and had never seen that reboot request, tought it alredy bloqued on me a few times!

What Kernel Panic?

I've heard of kernel panics, but have yet to experience one. Like most Mac users, I remember (hatefully) the old "bomb box" from pre-OS X Mac operating systems. But I have not experienced a kernel panic in OS X and I've used it since Jaguar through Panther and now Tiger.

Oddly enough, I have an old G3 iMac and use XCode to develop AppleScript Studio applications. You'd think I would have had a panic by now!

I strongly suspect that folks that have frequent panics have over-loaded their Macs with lots of third-party extensions. Which puzzles me, given the "out-of-the-box" functionality of OS X. What do you want it to do, make coffee for you?

Might be a bad idea...

A BSOD on OSX? I really don't need three years taken off my lifespan.

--Rob

huh?

I don't know what you guys are talking about. I have used a pismo since 2000, (which crashed all the time in OS9). A year or two later, I installed OS X, and never crashed again. Applications bite it now and again, but never the OS. No longer do I have to embarrassingly reach for the main power switch to bring the box back from the results of turkey software. I almost forget what that was like. This laptop is in constant use, never shut down, except to travel somewhere or update software that requires restarts. Why anybody would put themselves through the pain and utter misery of a using a horribly-designed and bug-riddled OS, is beyond me. Life is too damned short.

Re:Crashes we'd all like to see

No, but with the right command-line tools, you might be able to do it yourself without being infected.

Just be careful this doesn't open a backdoor on your computer. *rimshot*

Re:Well, My Favorite....

Kernel Panic's superior officer is General Protection Fault.