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Apple iPhone - To Be, or Not to Be?
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from the that-is-the-question dept.
from the that-is-the-question dept.
An anonymous reader writes "With the Apple WWDC looming on Monday, the internet once again beats itself silly over what Steve Jobs has in store. At the most fanciful end of the scale, there's talk of the Apple iPhone, to which CNET says, 'keep on dreaming', and Gizmodo says, 'no visible evidence'. The only solid evidence of an iPhone, beyond the endless mocked-up images, is the discovery of hidden phone-related code in a recent iPod updater. Macrumors has some info on what the keynote may contain -- and there's no mention of an iPhone. So, as the rumor mill continues to grind over the weekend, let the predictions begin. Is there an Apple iPhone, or is there not?"
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Rumors (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Rumors (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Monday May 31 2004, @07:30AM)
<sarcasm>Hey, yeah. And remember that time when they opened up a chain of retail outlets despite the fact that many other such outlets were tanking and analysts were sure they were smoking something? Boy, did they screw the pooch in that deal!</sarcasm>
The thing you must never lose sight of is that Apple finds its own way of succeeding sometimes by doing things the way no other "sane" (read: "hidebound") person would do.
Will the iPhone become a reality? I'd say no, for completely different reasons than "everybody's doing it already."
Re:Rumors (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Rumors (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://stylus-toolbox.sf.net/ | Last Journal: Tuesday May 15 2007, @11:50AM)
s/Apple/Steve Jobs/ and you're right on the money. The original Mac was going to be a failure because nobody wanted locked-up proprietary boxes with no CLI or expansion capabilities (and besides that, the Lisa was an abysmal failure), Mac OS X was going to be a failure because who would want to run NeXT Step on a Mac? The iTunes was expected to be failure because 'everyone' downloads illegal music, why would they pay even 99 cents/song?
Everywhere along the way, Jobs saw ways of adding twists to make it work.
What I envision: an iPhone that not only has a built-in PDA based on either Palm OS or some slimmed-down Mac OS X, and not only has an iPod built into it, but one with a video iPod integrated as well. Oh, and you can add this optional GPS package for $X. Throw in built-in wifi and bluetooth connectivity, and you've got one hot device that people won't be able to keep their hands off of.
If Apple introduces it Monday, remember, you heard it here first!
Re:Rumors (Score:5, Insightful)
Gah! No! Stop throwing things in!
The primary problem with cellphones these days is that they're all maniacally throwing in additional crap like cameras and music players. The last thing the world needs is one more "feature"-laden monstrosity that's five times the size it should be.
If Apple were to enter this market, I think they would have the sense to see that what's really lacking is a simple, elegant telephone. That does its job with grace and speed, and doesn't try to be everything else in the world.
This is certainly one of the great strengths of the ipod, that most of the "ipod killers" don't get. They all try to conquer the ipod by telling people, "But you can listen to the radio, and record audio, and use it as a pda, and a cellphone, and a wireless access point, and a floor wax!" And while Apple has caved a little bit on photos and video, they for the most part have kept sight of the fact that people don't want to do those things. More features is not automatically better.
Sadly, I don't see any reason to believe that Apple actually is entering this market. Not so much for technical reasons as for the bureaucratic morass of dealing with cellular service providers, competing international standards, regulatory bodies, manufacturer subsidies, and the whole rest of the convoluted mess that is the cellphone industry. Apple is currently doing a pretty good job navigating a similar mess in the music industry, and starting to tackle the ones in the television and movie industries. I don't think they'd want to overextend themselves by taking on the telco industry at the same time.
A shame, though. I'd switch in a heartbeat to whatever provider offered an Apple phone.
Cell phones need Apple's touch (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.recordstorereview.com/)
Re:Rumors (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://uptime.netcra.../?host=www.goatse.cx | Last Journal: Wednesday September 11 2002, @07:46PM)
Saturated market? Please. There's lots of cell phones out there, sure. And they all pretty much suck ass. Choose one, several, or all of: Poor build quality. Poor integration with the other information sources/sinks in your life. Poor user interface. Poor performance (battery life, RF reception, sound reproduction). Apple can't do much about RF reception and has limited freedom with respect to battery life, but every other thing is either a software issue or an industrial design issue. Guess what two things Apple kicks ass at?
Cell phones are a saturated market much like digital audio players were a saturated market.
All they'd have to do is roll out a GSM-based phone and they'd have access to most of the world's market. Combine that with something like iCal and Addressbook for windows much like they've already ported iTunes to support iPod use on non-Apple platforms and they'd be printing money.
Not to be (Score:2, Insightful)
"To be, or not to be. Not to be." [sets of iExplosives]
The only.... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:The only.... (Score:5, Funny)
Damn kids.
Re:The only.... (Score:5, Funny)
I prefer the type of phone that you crank in order to get the operators attention, and then say "Maybel, connect me to my mother."
I really doubt it (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/~Moby%20Cock)
Combining and iPod, Newton and cell phone is an interesting idea, but we have seen that there is some consumer resistance to combining gadgets. Unless Apple can really come up with a new and exciting way to 'do' the cell phone, I don't expect Jobs will entertain the notion.
I know that there have been patents for mobile devices filed by Apple, but I expect many of those are part of their Mutually Assured Destruction stockpile of patents.
My 2 cents, for what its worth.
Re:I really doubt it (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://sonikmatter.com/)
And that is exactly why a lot of folks are predicting the phone as the next area of Apple's influence.
Look at the Moto phones with iTunes -- they suck and were purposely kept down because Apple was afraid of folks competing with them. Even then, I heard the iTunes was running on some java stack and not integrated directly into the electronics (well...integrated more so).
I know with a simply free phone I picked up from Cingular last year, I've now replaced my Palm...not that I've had much use for it anyways. The phones do almost everything except for stylus entry that my old device did -- and the only place you see items like this are in phones (i.e., the Treo phones...which I really considered until I realized they were HUGE and I like my pocket space...I'll take entering everything from my computer except for the few times I need to enter a quick phone number or appointment with a cryptic title until I can edit and resync).
And now music is getting in these things. Do I want to carry both an iPod AND a phone? The whole thing with the Palm was that I WAS carrying both. My iPod is now relegated to my car or occasionally an airplane these days because I really hate having the batman belt. Even the shitty phones have music on them and even though a good deal are locked and require a purchase from the cellular companys site -- people seem to be willing to pay the $2 - $4 for a song that is a quarter the quality of the similar iTunes download (and as I've found out, generally expire after a few months -- I just wanted to test out the interface because I had been helping a friend convert his tunes to ringtones -- he has a sizable audience and wanted to get 'optimized' files out with 'customized' content before his label did so he had a negotiating block as RTs weren't even considered when he signed on 10 years ago -- they count them as 'club sales' like Columbia House where the artist makes practically nothing).
Back to the point, Apple introduces a phone that replaces my current one AND my iPod -- I'm picking it up. There are only so many gadgets I'm carrying and if I have to make a choice, its my phone...and the more I talk to others, they feel the same way. Luckily Apple seems to be the kind of company that knows how to focus on the essentials which for me would be, Phone, Music, Phone Book, Calendar and a Java Interface to load up Salling Clicker so that I can use my remote to connect to my Mac across the room -- and leave the Java unrestricted so that we can add what we need WHEN we need it and nothing more. Most phones have this stuff, but navigating the interface to use them sucks...
We will see convergence, so does Apple want to be ahead of the curve like the iPod(but not way too ahead like the Newton -- which pretty much introduced us to what we have today) or does it want to be behind the curve like it has on too many other items...
Ok -- in the time I've been called away from my desk a few times now, this is probably redundant and should be modded accordingly
Apple iPhone Nano (Score:3, Funny)
(http://twoturtlelovers.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Friday May 25, @03:01PM)
Is there an Apple iPhone, or is there not? (Score:3, Funny)
Well, maybe if they make it the same shade of off-white as my David Hockney sculpture and make the little Apple logo a bit more silver, I might think about it...
Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't think it'll work. I do think tho, that the references to a phone in the iPod updates may refer to a bluetooth connectivity with the iPod. Didn't see what the references were, tho, so I could be off base.
I think this is just pure speculation. Fun speculation, to be sure, but speculation nevertheless.
Bring on the Reality Distortion Field! Its affect on me must be fading...
Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (Score:4, Informative)
Is it a good unit? (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.wifimaps.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday June 19 2004, @09:58PM)
Nevermind syncing features, like Bluetooth or ir. I would expect Apple to want to give that to their users.
So far, I have found few phones as functional as my (old) Nokia 3650, and it's broken. Is an iPhone a phone for me?
iPhone (Score:3, Informative)
(http://www.forsberg.pp.se/)
Well, the current iPod is not a video iPod according to Stephen, so maybe the next one will not be a phone?
Makes sense.
Some of those mock-ups are pretty bad. (Score:2, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Monday October 02 2006, @08:42AM)
If I worked at Apple ... (Score:5, Funny)
Former Microsoft evangelist Robert Scoble says (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/nevermore/sets/)
Yes- but... (Score:2, Interesting)
(http://www.markstewart.net/)
This is a market they will address. During their last earnings telephone conference they basically let everyone know that they are aware that the phone and iPod markets are converging and that they are not sitting still. So its a matter of when, not whether.
Not gonna happen (Score:2)
I think Apple is content to license iTunes to phone manufacturers themselves; indeed, the only reason Apple has to enter the cell phone market is to push iTunes. Mobile phone vendors are also notorious about locking out certain functionality within their products (i.e. Verizon disables Bluetooth file transfer on all their phones so you have to pay $3.95 a pop for ringtones) and Apple has never been one to go for crap like that.
Add to this the fact that cell phone based music download services haven't exactly caught on like wildfire, and it starts to become clear why even if Apple had a prototype iPhone, they wouldn't release it. The market doesn't make sense for them; they would be better to position themselves as a phone applications developer. Passing regulatory concerns worldwide has already proven a thorn in Apple's side with iTMS, and I don't think they want to go through it again for a low-margin consumer device where they would be playing underdog to one-time best friend Motorola.
An iPhone would be a huge waste of money; there is an abundance of stylish phones and I don't think Apple would be able to charge $300 for a phone like they would probably want to.
This absolutely WILL NOT HAPPEN (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Friday November 09, @04:36PM)
The time for Apple to release a cellphone was five years ago. Not because it would have been a roaring success - its success would probably have been identical then to a release today, moderate sales, sitting as an overpriced niche product next to the phone enabled Treos and the Nokia 9000 series. Maybe higher - the RAZR proved people still value aesthetics and will pay a premium for it. But what was then is not now. Today Apple has the iPod. The iPod is of critical importance to Apple's medium term future.
And the iPod is facing a competitor, the MP3 playing mobile phone. They're not that good right now, but capacities are going through the roof, so they will be soon. Indeed, get something like a Motorola V635 (which has a transflash port) and you can get a gigabyte card for it today and store a significant amount of music with you, listening to it on bluetooth headphones. iPods in this environment become a way of playing iTMS tracks, and pretty much nothing else. As long as the interfaces in these phones are "good enough", and they have enough capacity, there's no compelling reason for someone to buy a separate MP3 player.
Now, here's the problem. If Apple enters that market with a phone, they're fucked, because whether it's 2001 or 2006, their phone will be the niche - or at most "significant player amongst ten others" - product I mentioned. RAZRs are doing well, but they're not 3/4 of the market. So Apple's percentage of the MP3 player market will plummet. This has direct consequences for the long term viability of their multimedia business.
Apple's one chance at continuing to control the market the way it does today is to license the technology. If they act as a neutral party (rather than a competitor), they can continue to profit from the lion's share of the MP3 players out there, and can continue to grow and control their multimedia business.
If they sell a phone, they become a competitor. They will have problems licensing the technology, and they will become an also-ran.
Everything you're seeing that "points" towards Apple involvement in cellphones points equally at licensing schemes, and often points away from standalone phones. Nobody's (Apple or anyone else) going to make the iPod nano firmware the basis of a mobile phone operating system, but they may be willing to incorporate an iPod nano's core into a mobile phone.
Apple's one try out in this area was the ROKR. The ROKR was a stop-gap, and by all accounts Apple, not Motorola, deliberately crippled it (the 100 song limit, for example.) This should not be judged as "what Apple will do if they take licensing seriously", instead it should be seen as Apple trying to delay mass consumer acceptance of MP3 playing cellphones until the technology is good enough the things just can't be resisted any more.
No Apple cellphone will come from Apple. You'll see cellphones "with iPod(tm) technology" from a variety of manufacturers, but Apple is not in a position to make cellphones and almost certainly doesn't want to enter that particular snake pit of a market. If Apple releases a cellphone over the next few months, an Apple designed and branded unit not mostly owned by Nokia, Motorola, or some other manufacturer, I'd advise selling whatever AAPL stock you have, because it'll be their XBox: a product they'll be subsidizing for years trying to get into a market they have little experience of.
iphone h4cks (Score:2, Interesting)
There are several... (Score:2, Informative)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghoti/)
No, but fun to imagine (Score:3, Interesting)
I think it would be a huge success should Apple decide to build an iTalk that is a high quality phone, maintains everything we expect in an iPod, has decent battery life, and has the popular Apple style. I haven't had a decent cell phone in years. I find most of today's phones too small, lots of plastic and very lightweight. Count me in the camp that hopes they build one at some point.
What's the big deal? (Score:4, Funny)
(http://www.yeahblah.com/)
Dial:
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iPhorOne... (Score:2, Funny)
(http://www.raykeyz.com/)
iPhone pfft. (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Tuesday August 08 2006, @03:45PM)
quotes (Score:2, Funny)
Hacker1: Something WAS in the iPod. The code leads off in this direction.
Hacker2: [holding up a print-out of a code] "Look, sir: iPhone!
Apple lawyer: Don't act so surprised, your highness. You weren't on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions about iPhone were beamed to this site by Apple workers. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.
Internet Journalist: I don't know what you're talking about. I am a member of the Journalist Union on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan...
Apple lawyer: You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor! Take her away!
and last, but not least:
Chief Engineer: It seems like you've managed to cut down our usage of thermal paste.
Engineer: Maybe you would like it back in your cell, your highness?
Possible Further Collaboration with Nike (Score:2)
Maybe not iPhone... but iPod+Phone integration? (Score:1)
IT Focus at WWDC (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.evolvingword.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday December 17 2003, @12:09PM)
Now, it may be that Apple always does this sort of thing to convince people like me to buy Macs. And we surely know that the Mac Pro will debut (as well as 10.5). But the full court press that I am getting suggests that this year's WWDC is as much about people like me as it is developers. Does this indicate anything about the content of Jobs' keynote? Probably not. But the treatment that I am receiving when I have almost nothing to do with development suggests that they are trying to garner as much interest as possible, and as much buy-in as possible.
No one remembers Softbank? (Score:2)
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/05/12/1648586.
Other iPod advancements (Score:2)
(http://www.ericbarker.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday October 10, @08:43PM)
I really never have stood behind the iPhone idea, I think it might be kind of interesting, but it seems very unlikely, since Apple tends to concentrate on simple, elligant, and effective devices that do one thing, and one thing well. I think any increase in Apple's involvement in phones will be through their continued partnership with Motorola.
On the flip-side, it's hard for me to believe that the WWDC will go by without any iPod announcement. It's been nearly 9 months since any change in the iPod lineup, which they tend to stagger the releases of the line at about 6-9 month intervals. It's been about a year since the Nano's introduction, and it's doing so well, it's almost more appropriate to say that "hotcakes are selling like iPod Nanos". I think it's very unlikely that we'll get through the WWDC without at least some minor change in the iPod lineup. I predict an increase of memory to the Nanos, possibly some redesigning of the iPod Shuffle, something like that. I don't think we'll see any major changes, but we'll see some incremental increases in the product line.
iTMS will probably be a large focus of WWDC as well. Apple's finally going to have competition, in the form of Microsoft no less. I think it would be very stupid for Apple to not have some fairly major announcements up its sleeve (black turtleneck, of course) regarding their iPod / iTMS / iTunes infostructure. I think we'll see the official announcement of the beginning of feature film distrobution, and some new distrobution methods. Disney's already on board (who didn't see that one coming), we're just waiting for the official announcement, and this seems like a good time to do it. Apple's going to have to pour a lot more into their iTMS division from now on, seeing that they're going to have some pretty stiff competition, which will probably be fairly rigged.
I'm just surprised at these particular announcements, because they're all aimed at the mac elite crowd. This is the time where, more than ever, Apple must continue to appeal itself to the masses, this is not the time to clam up and preech to the choir, so-to-speak. We're likely to see a lot more concentration on mass marketting. XServe means nothing to most of their audience. I think all these announcements seem like reasonable assumptions, but I think we're more likely to see some more, all-encompassing announcements as well. Now, REALLY would be the time to release that iMini Media Center, start building some livingroom-based services.
The iPhone is already here. (Score:2, Interesting)
(http://damage.wordpress.com/)
The iTunes phones will never gain critical mass acceptance as is because of the 100 song limit. That was Apple imposed as to not to interfere with iPod sales. One would have to believe that any iPhone that Apple (may) implement would have that in mind, that it would be not to interfere with its current Cash Cow, the iPod (and the Nano). So, if there would be an iPhone, I wouldn't see any Memory Card Interface and be limited to perhaps 512MB or 1GB of on-board memory, as a Shuffle replacement, with UI to match perhaps.
The Walkman Phone that I have (w800i) is surprisingly iPod like in its interface and its choice of Codecs (MP3, WAV, and AAC/MP4). When you press the Walkman Button, the playback screen, the UI, the entire experience is surprisingly iPod like, though changed in certain aspects. That with decent (just decent) information management, fast JAVA engine for Opera Mini action, and very clean interface makes the Walkman line of phones very credible competition for the iPhone.
Unfortunately, it has received zero marketing here in the US, and only one model's subsidized by any carrier (w600i by Cingular). So, it's very much an unknown quantity here in the US.
Which brings me to my final point. Unless Apple starts their own MVNO (and integrates with iTMS), or is willing to let Verizon with its VCAST and what not play nicely with their phones, it would likely be not picked up by any carriers for subsidy. And without that "Free" or "$99" price tag, I'm not sure if it'll be picked up by the public. After all, what's better than a Free RAZR?
My old and broken Nokia N-Gage for one. But then again...
No iPhone (Score:2)
(http://www.weintraubworld.net/)
You think Verizon will allow users to download songs directly from ITMS, and bypass their network?
Of course, I was wrong about the Apple stores and Apple switching to the Intel processor. I don't have a very good track record
Niche market (Score:1)
(http://blog.kcheretic.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday February 08 2004, @11:37AM)
Plus, one must face the old engineering saw: "As complexity approaches infinity, mean time between failures approaches zero."
my predictions (Score:2)
(http://www.jonathan.pearce.name/)
Blue Tooth (Score:1)
(http://slashdot.org/)
I almost never see someone with an ipod that doesn't have a purse or backpack, so there is a place to store the unsightly phone, while you only have to use your ipod, which you always keep in reach. I mean, Come on, very little extra hardware, usefull functionality, no carrier contracts, no new phone rat race, etc...
No goddamnit (Score:2)
for christs sake this has been going on for years, its not gonna happen get over it.
Apple could learn something from Cell phones (Score:1)
Another thought (Score:2)
The writer pointed out that the old Sprint telephone ads for their land lines suggested they were so clean, you could hear a pin drop. Now, Cingular is advertising they drop the fewest calls for cell users. (they don't say they don't drop ANY, just fewer than the competition)
He states that most cell call voice quality is AWFUL and that he thinks the "culprit" is convenience. Typical consumer will choose convenience over quality appears to be the point.
If that's true and Apple intros an iPhone that's excellent technology, but pricey and restricted in some fashion, then it will go the way of Newton, the TeleCompaq (Compaq built a really neat PBX console in the 80's...died an immediate death) and peace in the Middle East.
For me, I prefer a phone, that's simply a phone, that works. Period. I have an iPod for music...I don't need or want it to be a telephone, garage door opener, or sex toy. (the shape is ALL wrong, etc.)
A friend at work just replaced an "old" 3G Pod with the new 60GB unit and I am impressed with the video on it. I actually watched a couple of ABC News podcasts and a few minutes of the movie 'Monsters, Inc.' and liked it.
So if Steve wants my vote, I would buy an iVideo before an iPhone. Note, my phone does music and can play video, but I have a smaller screen than a Nano, so it's useless for watching anything, doesn't have the capacity for a movie, and the music sounds worse than a crystal radio set I built 40 years ago.
An iPod I could carry on one of the zillion plane flights I take every year would be "convenient" for me as I could listen to high quality music or watch the 'Lost' episode I missed as I chose. And I could use it on a plane whereas the flight attendants always get twitchy about phones.
2 cents...
The future is here (Score:1)
Battery life is decent and the interface is simple to use (maybe not as simple as an iPod but very close). Some newer phones have WiFi making it even easier to get music on them.
Why would I want to carry another mp3 player with me when my cell phone is small and I need it anyway? Soon people will realize that the mp3 player is dying a rapid death and Apple is too smart of a company to not understand this.
I declare! (Score:2)
(http://www.davidconnell.com/)
uh... wait, wait... Yes, ummm, errr... or No
well, uh... maybe.
O.k., I'll skip this one. (Score:1)
Walter
A new high for /.: news about no news about rumors (Score:2)
(http://www.scarydevil.com/~peter/ | Last Journal: Monday September 26 2005, @06:53PM)
One more layer of recursion here and maybe
2 ways apple could go (Score:2)
For example, when a call comes in over the cellphone, the iPod would stop playing music and route the cellphone audio through the iPod headphones like it was a bluetooth headset.
Also, the iPod could hold a contact list synced with the apple contact list software (iCal or whatever it is) and then you select one from the iPod interface and it dials the number on your phone.
Could include other features to allow phone & iPod linkup (for example, some way to use the Java and GPRS/internet features present on all phones to allow one to download a song from the iTunes store on your phone using the internet and then transfer it directly to the iPod).
Option 2 is for apple to partner with a 3rd party (such as Motorola) and produce something that I forsee as being similar in base architecture to the Motorola EZX products. Basicly, it would have a dual CPU setup with all the radio stuff (SIM card access, talking to the cell tower, bluetooth etc etc) being handled on one CPU (with the hardware and software being provided by the phone maker) and the application layer (music player, phonebook/contact list, application stuff) being on the other CPU and being written by Apple. Apple would also be responsible for the design, look & feel etc of the phone.
Re:Hype hype hype (Score:1, Flamebait)
What the hell - it's Friday and I've karma to burn...
Re:WWDC? (Score:3, Informative)
It's where the Apple developers get together and talk development of Apple related products, and Apple gives them a sneak peak (a VERY LITTLE fuzzy peak) at their future plans.
Re:This is the WW DEVELOPERS Converence (Score:2)
(http://www.moderngeek.com/)
Re:SLVR is the iPhone... (Score:2)
Re:WWDC or WWSJD (Score:1)