Parallels Desktop for OS X Reviewed 300
phaedo00 writes "Ars Technica has put up a great review of the first full release of Parallels' virtualization software for OS X, Parallels Desktop 1.0. From the article: 'Move over emulation, virtualization is in and it's hotter than two Jessica Albas wresting the devil himself in a pit of molten steel. It's no contest, virtualization has it all: multiple operating systems running on the same machine at nearly the full speed of the host's processor with each system seamlessly networking with the next. Add to that the fact that it's cheaper than getting a new machine and you have the guaranteed latest craze. Not even the Hula Hoop can stop this one.'"
"Hotter than two Jessica Albas wrestling" (Score:5, Funny)
Re:"Hotter than two Jessica Albas wrestling" (Score:2)
Re:"Hotter than two Jessica Albas wrestling" (Score:2)
I mean... "Wrestling with the devil in a pit of molten steel?"
It's only a quick (and short-of-breath) waddle to the next degree of Knowlesian Hyperbole, in which the speaker proclaims his delight in receiving a tremendous albeit figurative kick in his literally gargantuan buttocks.
Re:"Hotter than two Jessica Albas wrestling" (Score:5, Funny)
When did slashdot get an editorial staff?
tagged as "devilwrestling" (Score:5, Funny)
Re:tagged as "devilwrestling" (Score:2)
10+ years later... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:10+ years later... (Score:2)
Re:10+ years later... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:10+ years later... (Score:2)
Re:10+ years later... (Score:3, Interesting)
Has it all? (Score:5, Funny)
Umm i hate to be the one pointing this out, but i for one can think of some very hot things about Jessica Albas that virtualization doesn't have.
Really.. [google.com], can't compare [google.com]
Re:Has it all? (Score:3, Funny)
Umm i hate to be the one pointing this out, but i for one can think of some very hot things about Jessica Albas that virtualization doesn't have.
You're not much of a geek, are you? Turn in your geek card!
Virtualization is the ultimate hotness (Score:5, Funny)
Thus a proper virtualization system would allow you to have two simultaneous Jessica Albas, which I think was being hinted at in the "wrestling the devil" portion of the post. The devil I guess was a methaphor for memory consumption, while the molten steel plainly referred to the processor load and resulting core temperatures.
Furthermore, a disagreement (Score:2)
Re:Has it all? (Score:4, Funny)
Parallels - the only time my Mac ever crashed (Score:4, Interesting)
Here's a reprint from my Slashdot journal [slashdot.org]
Yes, I am joking. Parallels is awesome. The claims of "near native performance" are indeed correct - in my experience. Parallels is what allowed me to finally make the 'switch' because my office is tied heavily to Outlook (and Business Contact Manager and therefore SQL Server).
Parallels works as advertised and is recommended from one slashdotter to another.
Re:Parallels - the only time my Mac ever crashed (Score:3, Informative)
Same thing with Boot Camp (Score:3, Interesting)
-b.
Re:Parallels - the only time my Mac ever crashed (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Parallels - the only time my Mac ever crashed (Score:3, Interesting)
Surfing the web: check
iTunes: check
Installing Opera browser: check
Installing Windows: check
If you want a PC, just get a PC.
Re:Parallels - the only time my Mac ever crashed (Score:3, Funny)
Surfing the web: doable on a PC
Listening to iTunes: doable on a PC
Installing Opera browser: doable on a PC
Installing Windows: doable on a PC
Being extremely smug about it all? Mac only.
That said, here comes my Mac zealot rejoinder. It's not about what grandparent was doing, it's about what grandparent wasn't doing:
Cleaning out spyware: only on a PC
Cleaning out viruses: only on a PC
Deleting malicious reg keys: only on a PC
Reinstalling Windows (again): only on a PC
Rebooting from a BSOD: only on a
Parallels is Great (Score:5, Informative)
My only pet peeve is the way that the virtual machine mount USB drives only allows 1 OS to have access to the device at a time. So if you are on the Windows side and insert a drive, Mac does not see it, and vice versa. I am not sure if there is a way around that or not. But that really is the only annoyance that prevents me for managing the this seamlessly.
I hate sounding like such a fanboy, but this really is a great piece of software.
Re:Parallels is Great (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Parallels is Great (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course, I prefer using Bonjour in the guest instead of Samba, as it's just that much easier.
No good reason to expect that to work (Score:2)
I wouldn't have expected that as it's perilous letting two operating systems access the drive at the same time - just as hooking an external USB drive into two PC's at the same time wouldn't work either.
Re:Parallels is Great (Score:2)
Re:Parallels is Great (Score:2)
Re:Parallels is Great (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Parallels is Great (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Parallels is Great (Score:2)
Re:Parallels is Great (Score:2)
Re:Parallels is Great (Score:3, Interesting)
I have parallels running (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I have parallels running (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I have parallels running (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I have parallels running (Score:3, Interesting)
If Steve Jobs has any brains (and he does, being a nutjob does not preclude being smart) he will be well aware that OS X x86 will be hacked and "pirated" and he will in fact be relying on this to happen. Anybody with a hint of a clue knows that Microsoft rose to market dominance on the coat tails of geeks who have long been in the habit of "illegally" copying MS's various OS offerings, spreading the word and creating a *huge* install base for Microsoft to the exclusion of almost
In the end, I went with Boot Camp (Score:5, Informative)
If you need to use Windows XP all day as your work OS (as I do), you will find Boot Camp to be the superior solution, if only for the snappiness of the system. I don't need to use OS X at work for any reason, so dual-booting works for me. If you only use a few Windows apps irregularly and will primarily use OS X all day, then Parallels is the way to go. Keep in mind that Boot Camp is free, while Parallels costs $.
Re:In the end, I went with Boot Camp (Score:2)
This is not the operating system you're looking for. You don't need to see our serial number.
That is FREAKIN SWEET.
Re:In the end, I went with Boot Camp (Score:2)
No need - ctrl-shift-esc (or is it cmd-shift-esc?) does the same thing in Boot Camp without needing to install any extra software. The one thing that *is* useful is the Apple Mouse Utility, which remaps the control key to modify the mouse button so that ctrl-mouse works as a right click. Unfortunately, you lose the ability to control-click. The ideal si
Re:In the end, I went with Boot Camp (Score:4, Informative)
Yes! It's because that particular key combination is special: it has unique hooks into the BIOS, event-handling system, etc. As is often the case, Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] is your friend:
Re:In the end, I went with Boot Camp (Score:3, Funny)
do you say "This is not the OS I'm looking for" when you do it? :)
Re:In the end, I went with Boot Camp (Score:2, Informative)
Oh, poop... kinda useless for PowerMacs ATM. (Score:2)
Re:Oh, poop... kinda useless for PowerMacs ATM. (Score:2)
This will enable you to run Mac OSX on a machine with the likes of YellowDog installed as the host OS.
Re:Oh, poop... kinda useless for PowerMacs ATM. (Score:2)
Re:Oh, poop... kinda useless for PowerMacs ATM. (Score:2)
PPC Virtualization (Score:2)
Mac-on-Linux is a linux/ppc program which makes it possible to run Mac OS in parallel with Linux.
MOL is primarily intended to be used by those who run linux/ppc as their main operating system but still want to be able to run that occasional Mac OS application.
Games? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Games? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Games? (Score:2)
Because they won't run in Parallels (Score:2)
There's nothing special about Mac hardware anymore, it's just normal commodity hardware. Since it's x86 you can run Windows on it. When you do, it runs just as it would on an equivilant non-Mac PC. The only thing special about a Mac, internally, is the "I'm a Mac" identifier
Bootcamp? (Score:3, Informative)
In fact that gives you a better setup since you have what is essentially a dedicated system for gaming that can be tweaked out and then a seperate windows system setup for productivity apps that you don't optmiize nearly so much. It's the ultimate setup because a rogue game (or more like a rogue game deinstaller) cannot then wipe out your REAL data.
Re:Games? (Score:2)
However, with BootCamp, you can just install Windows on another partition, boot into it and have full native speeds to run all of your Windows games on your Mac.
Yes, but will it run... (Score:3, Insightful)
I mean, it doesn't do a video card, and apparently even the lowest Vista settings need a video card (at least 64MB VRAM, right?). OR do I misunderstand things?
Re:Yes, but will it run... (Score:2)
Re:Yes, but will it run... (Score:3, Insightful)
Will Vista run on computers with less, just lose some features, so M$ might not want manufs putting the "capable" sticker on lesser hardware so that Vista won't look crummy? I mean, XP is technically capable of running in 640x480 16-color mode...
32 MB of VRAM just to display/edit Word documents, basic web pages, and Excel tables seems like using Tsar Bomba [wikipedia.org] to kill th
Parallels for Linux? (Score:2)
I have used both (Score:4, Informative)
I have. They appear to be fairly equivalent, as far as I can tell. I run SuSE 10 at the office, but I am required to run a few windows-only applcations. I have been using various versions of VMWare for the past 4 years to get around that barrier. I downloaded a trial version of Parallels to see what it was like. I was initially interested because VMWare has been fairly expensive to re-purchase over the years, and Parallels is quite inexpensive by comparison.
Both install via RPM and the install is pretty straightforward. I did not find Parallels difficult to configure, but then I have been using VMWare for some time, and I am familiar with the concepts and what needs to be done. The Parallels interface is quite similar to VMWare's, so if you are familiar with one product, you should be able to use the other. In the past, I learned the hard way that VMWare was a fairly memory-intensive application. Once I added an extra gig of RAM to my workstation everything ran pretty smoothly. I don't know if Parallels runs well with less RAM or not, but I would assume that more memory is always better. I have an Athlon 1700 CPU, and it can run multiple Linux applications and a virtual windows session without tons of paging or lag.
Mind you, I only boot the windows VM once a week or so, and run it for maybe 15-20 minutes at a time. If you wanted to run something more intensive, YMMV. I have not tried to run any games via VMWare either, so I have no idea what that would be like. On the whole, I am pleased to say that both Parallels and VMWare both work really well for me. They offer similar performance and functionality, and both are quite stable applications. The next time VMWare rolls out an upgrade that I have to pay for, I will be switching to Parallels.
As other posters have stated, games are probably the holy grail of windows virtualization. I would like nothing better to have an Intel-based PowerMac with a kick-ass graphics card that could give me all the benefits of owning a Mac, with the added bonus of being able to play my favourite games without rebooting.
Parallels vs VMWare (Score:2)
Re:Parallels vs VMWare (Score:5, Informative)
The latter is vaporware on OS.X.
Great. (Score:4, Insightful)
So Intel can finally do what IBM developed back in the 1960's. LPAR anyone?
Different from VMWare? (Score:2)
Re:Different from VMWare? (Score:3, Funny)
It uses a different codebase and it runs on a Mac? Just guessing.
Re:Different from VMWare? (Score:2)
I'm extremely interested in older legacy games... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:I'm extremely interested in older legacy games. (Score:3, Informative)
I don't know about any of those titles, but StarCraft runs reasonably well, except for occasional problems with the sound cutting out.
In general, anything that doesn't require any hardware accelerated graphics should run fine, so games that have a software rendering option should be playable under Parallels. However, YMMV.
WOW! Factor (Score:2)
Re:WOW! Factor (Score:2)
It's not for most Mac users. It's for people who want to use their mac, but absolutely must have some part of windows. For me, that part is IE. For others, it's Outlook. I'm sure there are plenty of other applications, but those are the two big ones.
Re:WOW! Factor (Score:2)
Re:WOW! Factor (Score:2, Interesting)
I wish the X-server had better "change resolutions on the fly" capabilities (to handle going from full-screen to windowed mode), but I usually end up just displaying xterms from the Ubuntu virtual machine on my Mac OS X desktop anyway.
Run some work apps (Score:2)
It means it's practical to bring a Macbook to work anywhere now.
Re:WOW! Factor (Score:2)
I don't know if it's officially "supported", but Ubuntu Dapper works fine under Parallels on my MBP.
Re:WOW! Factor (Score:2)
Now do it without the root window! (Score:3, Interesting)
I suppose you could do this with X by using SSH into the hosted *nix system and running OSX's X server, but I don't see how it could be done with Windows...
Re:Now do it without the root window! (Score:2)
Re:Now do it without the root window! (Score:2)
Re:Now do it without the root window! (Score:2)
First of all, for Gnome apps... just run the damn things locally! There's nothing stopping you from installing Gnome (or KDE, etc.) on the Mac directly via Fink and running it in Apple's X server, you know -- with or without the window manager.
In fact, sometime soon at least KDE apps should run locally without X, using QT/Mac.
And as for Windows, you want Darwine (once it works properly). I have it and it's good for little simple programs, but I keep getting an error about one particular system call on any
Re:Now do it without the root window! (Score:2)
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Codeweavers crossover mac will make that happen (Score:2)
Codeweaver's CrossOver Mac [codeweavers.com] will do exactly what you suggest, run some applications standalone and indeed even without a copy of Windows.
The biggest drawback with it is that it does not support Photoshop CS yet, which would be a major boon to those waiting for the Intel Photoshop to arrive (not out for about another year).
Some of the more popular PC games however are slated
Just wondering about Intel VT (Score:2)
Re:Just wondering about Intel VT (Score:2)
Re:Just wondering about Intel VT (Score:3, Interesting)
AMD's VT is codenamed pacifica, and as far as I know, no processors have actually launched with it yet, though it's due soon. I stand to be corrected on that point, all AMD's articles press releases say yet is 'due first half 2006'
Shared RAM? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Shared RAM? (Score:3, Informative)
Support for native NTFS partitions? (Score:3, Interesting)
As someone with an existing install of XP (Bootcamp), it seems like a shame to have to two copies of windows to be able to dual boot (primarily for games).
-c
Re:Support for native NTFS partitions? (Score:3, Informative)
I was thinking the same thing, but I just realized: even if you could use the same Windows install for both, Windows itself wouldn't let you because it would keep complaining about the hardware changes and require you to reactivate all the time.
(Product activation is why I still use Windows 2000...)
There will soon be more virtual PCs than PCs (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course it's hard to imagine MS and Linus agreeing on such an API. But this isn't a zero sum game. People might choose to install Windows because with virtualization they know they will still be able to run Linux easily. Bill Gates will still have sold you a Windows license even though you're spending most of your time running Linux. So it's in the interest of MS and Linux to figure out how to interoperate between virtual machines.
Is Windows capability on Macs a bad thing? (Score:3, Insightful)
-b.
And the Mac Mini prophecy is complete... (Score:3, Interesting)
Its potential for creating a dramatic increase in Mac converts should not be overlooked. To the point, I have a particular user (a CFO of a medium-sized manufacturing company) who spends most of her day working Excel spreadsheets, creating documents, emails and using a browser (webforms, webapps, browsing). It was a constant battle to keep her PC clean of virii and spyware. A perfect candidate for switching to a Mac, except for their base accounting system, which will only run in Windows. I got her a new Mac Mini Dlx, installed and configured Parallels with WinXP Pro and she could not be happier. She's running Mac:MS Office for Word, Entourage and Excel, uses Safari/FireFox for browsers (some of her sites won't behave on one or the other) and bounces into the other PCs on the network with COTVNC. And just a note to the non-consultant folks out there... It's always a very good thing to make the CFO happy.
One of the things I like most about Parallels is their "don't let Windows out of the box" approach. Coupled with an (admittedly similar to MS VPC) easy to backup set of files, should anything go wonky with the Windows install, it's a 2 minute job to restore it completely.
I can see this becoming a much more viable alternative to computer-savvy management level types.
My (brief) experience (Score:3, Informative)
I couldn't get W2K installed* but XP went on fine, as did RedHat 7.1. Ubuntu goes on next, followed by SmackBook. [tuaw.com]
Slower than native (AFAIK, all of Parallels runs as one thread) but still fun and very useful for what I need it for.** Each OS picks up another address on your LAN (192.168.1.105, 106, 107, etc.) and it's a lot of fun to SSH to a virtual Linux box, make a page in ~/public_html/, and view it in Safari on the same box.
XP runs fine fullscreen (1280x800) and if you have your Mac set up to right-click with the trackpad, you don't need to do anything different in Windows--a quick one-two on the trackpad and I've got a contextual menu in XP. Scrolling also works. 'Command' maps to 'Windows key' just like when you use a Mac keyboard on a regular PC, so that also behaves as expected. Overall, it's great. Definitely fast enough to be useful--it's not like I'm on a 200 MHz machine all of a sudden or anything. Feels like any reasonably peppy Windows box.
* doubly funny because that's the OS they show in the screenshots in the documentation) because no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to see the CD--it just keeps saying "No boot device available, press Enter to continue."
** handy way to have lots of OSs with me, do testing, troubleshooting, etc. And FreeCell. There's still nothing better than Windows' FreeCell.
My experience with stability... (Score:3, Interesting)
I installed Windows XP today and everything seems just fine and peppy. The IT guy who installed it commented that the installation took less time than on some of the Dells he worked with. My favorite part is the backup mechanism - I now have a fresh, no-spyware installation of Windows XP with Matlab, SPSS, and Access all installed. All of my documents will be stored on a Mac hard disk by a shared folder. So I went to the Finder and made a copy of the disk image, and when I want to revert to a fresh image, all I do is delete the working hard drive, and rename "image copy" to "image" and I'm back as good as new. 8)
I have one question for the forum - like many others, I wish there was native hardware acceleration. Wouldn't it be feasible by installing a Windows graphics driver that sends the hardware calls to Parallels, which then uses Mac native OpenGL to do hardware rendering? It doesn't seem that different from ordinary rendering in a window. This could be straightforward for PC OpenGL games, and for the DirectX games, perhaps the calls can be mapped to OpenGL functions. Perhaps with a speed penalty, but it should almost certainly be better than software rendering. You folks who know more about graphics rendering than I do - might this be possible?
WINE and Crossover Office (Score:3, Informative)
Parallels vs Rosetta. Which is faster? (Score:3, Interesting)
My best guess would be that the Windows version would be faster because despite the virtualisation layer, it's still an x86 binary. Might make for some painful choices until Adobe can complete their glacial move to universal binaries.
Re:Where are the comments? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Wake me up when ... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Wake me up when ... (Score:3, Interesting)
2005 called and wants their joke back.
Seriously though, people have been doing it since the first verrsion of 10.4 x86 was released to developers.
-Ed
Re:Wake me up when ... (Score:2)
Re:Direct Hardware Access (Score:2)