How iPods Took Over the World 360
An anonymous reader writes "The Observer has a piece today about the iPod's ascension to dominance of the mp3 player market. The author argues that it's largely the result of clever business tactics and the iTunes music store." From the article: "The second thing about the iPod: it puts you, not them, in control. Basically, the record labels are devotees of the Henry Ford business model: 'You can have any music you want so long as it's what I want to give you.' But using the cyberspace jukebox, you're no longer at their mercy. You don't have to pay for the four filler tracks on every album. You don't have to buy albums at all. You can put country next to classical, punk next to jazz, Barry Manilow next to Placido Domingo (wait, that's a joke)."
I was obvious that the last bit was a joke... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I was obvious that the last bit was a joke... (Score:2)
Lame (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Lame (Score:2)
But at least the iPod won't decide that you are an imperfect biological infestation and try to wipe you out.
Re:Lame (Score:2)
-1, TOS reference
Putting the customer in control (Score:2)
Linux Software (Score:2, Interesting)
with what software can the iPod be used under Linux? My Windows is more or less unusable and I'm thinking of getting rid of it soon in favour of Linux. My iPod is one of the things holding me back.. I remember some years ago there was an attempt at using it under Linux but somehow didn't follow the development.
Any recommendations of software to manage my library (Most of it in non-DRMed AAC from my classical CDs).
Thanks in advance for any hints
Re:Linux Software (Score:2)
Re:Linux Software (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Linux Software (Score:2)
Good luck making the switch to Linux
Re:Linux Software (Score:2)
I agree that gtkpod is a nice app. Personally I like using amaroK to manage my music library, it does everything I need. Of coarse that's just a matter of preference.
Re:Linux Software (Score:2)
iTunes (Score:2)
The same arguments could be used on why to use M
More to it (Score:5, Insightful)
Remember what most MP3 players looked like before the iPod? I'm not just talking about the general ugliness of some of them, but the way the interface was designed specifically to appeal to people who LOVE high-tech gagetry, and think the Windows file manager is downright spiffy.
No non-geek had any clue at all how to operate them, or even what they were for. They just barely knew that "EM PEE THREE" had something to do with music, because their nephew set them up with Napster back around 1999 so they could steal music online and listen to it at the office.
Then the iPod comes out. It's not an "MP3 Player", it's a music player. It has simple and obvious controls. It's easy to figure out how to get songs into it, and easy to figure out how to play them when they are there.
What iTMS is doing is ensuring that the iPod *keeps* it's lead in the market. It's also creating a new revenue source for Apple. (They started it off as a possible loss-leader to sell iPods, but it's turning a profit these days, and with the addition of video downloads, I'm betting it will become an even bigger revenue generator for them. There's no way in hell I'm going to pay two bucks for a low-res TV show episode, but it appears that some people are happy to do so. Go figure.)
Re:More to it (Score:5, Interesting)
About a year ago, I saw some refurb 3g 15gb ipods on sale someplace for $190, I bought one. It wasn't because of commercials (I don't watch TV). It wasn't because of iTunes (although admitedly, I have fallen prey to the ITMS crack -- but I recovered after an emusic intervention). I just wanted to put my CDs on a useable device and the iPod fit the bill.
Simple (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Simple (Score:5, Insightful)
Okay, you're a non-conformist. And the problem with you non-comformists is, most of you are only doing it because you think not conforming will make you "cool".
I don't like Ipods (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I don't like Ipods (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I don't like Ipods (Score:2)
Probably still smaller than a portable CD player.
I had a portable CD player, which I replaced with an iPod. Not because it was smaller/lighter/prettier, but to be able to carry around ALL my music, and not have to decide before every trip which CDs I was going to t
Re:I don't like Ipods (Score:2)
and when necessary, i can always take my generic mp3 player with me, and run it off AAAs. i don't see this as a good argument for not liking ipods.
you know, the right tool for the right purpose.
Re:I don't like Ipods (Score:2)
and when necessary, i can always take my generic mp3 player with me, and run it off AAAs. i don't see this as a good argument for not liking ipods.
And I can just take an extra battery for my Zen. And keep my 60 gigs.
Re:I don't like Ipods (Score:5, Insightful)
The iPod is designed for urbanites. The battery is perfectly adequate for people who don't go more than a few hours away from an outlet most of the time. I have my iPod running in my car (off the car charger) when I drive in to work in the morning, listen to it on headphones in the office, take it jogging with me over lunch, and back in the car in the evening. If I go for a bike ride or a walk that evening, I can take it along then. It's even nice for domestic air travel, and awesome to have with you for a day of downhill skiing.
Even when traveling by hitch-hiking or on a bicycle, you plug in your charger in the restaurant where you eat lunch (every restaurant has a few outlets in the dining area so they can run vacuum cleaners and stuff), and you're good to go until dinner. No problem.
That said, unless you attach an external battery pack, it's unsuitable for camping out in the wilderness.
Then again, when *I* go out into the wilderness, I'm trying to get away from all that shit, and the only piece of electronics I want with me is *maybe* a GPS. Kind of hard to hear the call of the eagle, or the wind rushing through the pines, if it's drowned out by your "slow jams."
Still, it sounds like the iPod is the wrong player for your lifestyle. You do, however, realize that the way you live is rather atypical, right?
Re:I don't like Ipods (Score:3, Insightful)
That may not be completely true. You can in fact buy portable, foldable solar panels for recharging portable devices like the iPod, which are suitable for backpacking -- you can drape the foldable panels down the back of your pack, plug everything in, and let your iPod charge.
However, having just returned from a several day hike along the Juan de Fuca trail, I agree with you -- leave everything but
Not the rise of the iPod. (Score:3, Interesting)
I love my iPod. Especially because of the sheer volume of sound files it holds, and the way its integration with iTunes* allows me to manage my songs simply. But I've been arranging songs for my personal use (without buying the entire album) for more than 15 years.
*The application, not the store. I don't like using the iTunes store, because the interface is horrible for browsing. I only use it for podcasts and the occasional audiobook.
Re:Not the rise of the iPod. (Score:2)
I have a great idea (Score:5, Funny)
Wow, I just had a great idea. Record companies could have sold a smaller record with just one song on it and sold it for less money. Wait. Since there are two sides of a record, they could put another song on the other side. They could have called these records something like a SINGLE. They could have had some of the advantages of the iPod years ago.
Re:I have a great idea (Score:2)
Too bad they never thought up the "sell it for less money" part....
Re:I have a great idea (Score:2)
Not only marketing (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Not only marketing (Score:2)
But maybe they should... I've recently learned the error of my ways; too late for my several thousand mp3's though. Always buy music with an eye on the future... I wish I had my music in a high quality ogg file, or even better, flac.
Re:Ipod Annoyances. WMP Dissaster. Free Utopia. (Score:5, Insightful)
Amarok needs a hell of a lot of work. The only thing I managed to get it to do was freeze. When I tried to add the ~1000 songs I have on my computer, it quickly ate up all my memory and then stopped doing much of anything, slowing the rest of the system down to the point that I had to do a hard reboot.
Hmmm, what could be more natural than plugging your IPod into someone else's computer? Remember tape swapping? IPod brings a nasty surprise by erasing all of it's contents when you try to SHARE. Getting your music back is a painful operation, not simply a button press. This punishment of sharing, evil on it's own, will also punish people who lose their music due to other failures.
There are a number of ways around this. You're right, it's annoying for the average user, but not so annoying that it offsets all the benefits of iPod + iTunes.
There are many other annoyances which users of ITunes do notice. The most significant is not being able to sort by Artist and Album. Others are less important but almost as annoying as a whole.
I must be misunderstanding you... it is possible and very easy to sort by Artist or Album. What do you mean?
The main reason other players fail is Microsoft. WMP is a well documented dissaster of DRM and poor quality software. Even when other players include their own interface, they all want in on the Works for Sure, Napster/Purge M$ DRM service d'jour. Absent M$ and DRM crap, these players work well enough, especially if the user only bothers with CDs as you suggested.
Even so, every other player on the market lacks something compared to the iPod, be it style, features, capacity, ease of use, etc. The iPod is quite well rounded. By the way, it's "du jour."
* Rip with Konqueror's audiocd: function. With too lame, ogg is a concern only for those who care about freedom and saving 10-20% of storage space. Correct lables, flac, ogg and mp3 encoding has never been easier. ABCDE provides more robust ripping from the command line if you want that.
* Record analog with Krec, Krecord, Audacity or Gramofile. Use Rockbox for your iPod or iRiver portable device.
* Get your new music off the web. The Internet Archive [archive.org] has more than 30,000 concerts by artists that want you to share. Most players have built in stream sources.
* Play and organize your music with Amarok. It's all the goodness of iTunes with none of the annoyances.
Yeah, or they could use one program to do all of that and not waste time mucking about with the command line, updating dependencies (depending on what distro you're using) and generally jumping through a number of annoying hoops just to perform one simple task. This is one of the main reasons that Linux as a whole has very little share of the desktop market - lack of integration. Everything in Linux relies on something else, and while that's more efficient for servers, it's just a huge pain in the ass for home users.
The main obstacle to free software adoption for music is FUD and a false sense of dependence on M$ formats for "work". The free software user is less likely to have pirated crap because no one needs that crap anymore.
No, the main obstacle is that all of the free software you've listed is about a billion times less convenient than iTunes or even Windows Media Player, especially to anyone without extensive knowledge of computers.
Re:Ipod Annoyances. WMP Dissaster. Free Utopia. (Score:2)
You mean like by clicking Artist or Album? Doing so will change what's sorted and if it's sorted in ascending or descending order
Another good point missed... (Score:2, Troll)
Re:Another good point missed... (Score:2)
That is why Apple's iPod is so successful, because of all the sheeple, and Apple's willingness to pander to that principle.
I don't think I understand. You say that people like having nice, easy to use music players, and then this make
At least there are two sides to Apples bargain.... (Score:2)
The reason the music companies are seen as greedy is that they want 100% of the benefits to accrue to them. No, it's worse than that: they want to take away things that the customer used to enjoy... the ability to make low-fi cassette copies for friends, for example. The music companies hope they can use DR
I know they're closely intertwined... (Score:4, Insightful)
Full albums (Score:4, Insightful)
- Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon
- Nirvana's Nevermind
- Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here
- Soundgarden's Superunknown
- Michael Jackson's Thriller (despite that horrible duet with Paul McCartney)
Whenever I hear a song from one of these albums on the radio, I'm always waiting for the following track to start playing at the end. It's so unsettling to hear them out of context. It's like seeing a drawing of Spider-Man floating on a page with no background, rather than in a comic book with a plot and setting. I'm sure every classic rock fan has encountered that one jackass DJ who plays Led Zeppelin's "Heartbreaker" and not "Livin' Lovin' Maid" afterwards.
I don't think the situation will get better for we who enjoy music's artistic merits. Radio and MTV (or MuchMusic) already can't tolerate any songs longer than about 4 minutes. I feel this "iPod effect" will only cause record labels to enourage their artists to record music that is marketable rather than good (more so than they do already).
iTMS? Are you sure? (Score:5, Insightful)
People buy the iPod because it's attractive, has a large harddrive (one of the first players to use a harddrive, I think), and has a great interface (circular touchpad) for browsing the contents. And, no doubt, because the marketing has been successful in making it the first thing that comes to mind when people think about MP3 players. Frankly, there may be other players on the market that do as good a job or better, but when it comes down to it the iPod is just a good little piece of hardware that does what it does very well. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's popular.
Personally I haven't bought one because I want something that can record a line-in signal. And because I have, like, no money at all right now. I might eventually get an iRiver or something that can record CD-quality music.
However, I'm almost sure that iTunes is never the reason why people by the iPod..
Of course, I could be wrong.
People buy iPods because... (Score:2)
1) Great interface: I hate my MuVo with its previous-next buttons, it takes me an hour to find the song I want, with the wheel I don't even need to categories the MP3s into folders any more.
2) Ubiquity: Since everyone and their dog has an iPod, people are making stuff run on it. What other portable player runs wikipedia and linux?
3) Video: It plays video, which is great when you want something more than listening to music, so you can maybe
Re:iTMS? Are you sure? (Score:2)
The iPod wasn't the first HD player, but it was at the time one of the smallest and the only one that didn't take hours to fill thanks to its (at the time, unique) Firewire connection.
Overcomplicate the obvious (Score:5, Insightful)
Accessories... (Score:2)
Compare that to just about every other music player out there. With audio you're probably all set - it's going to be either a 3.5mm or a 2.5mm plug - but for everything el
Rockbox makes the iPod more usable (Score:2)
Its the right kind of business model. (Score:2)
Unlike Sony, Apple is not burdened by a publishing arm that wants to sell or promote specific artists. And as the submitter mentioned, they are not trying to sell filler tracks. Apple even t
Come on... (Score:2, Interesting)
The author is wrong (Score:3, Insightful)
It is primarily due to ipod's (and itune's) highly intuitive and easy-to-use interface that made it a real winner. It made it possible for anyone who would otherwise be afraid to touch a new high-tech gizmo, instantly comfortable with ipod. And Apple's marketing of ipod is another factor contributing to ipod's success. The initial buzz that was created with white earbuds was something many marketing teams dream about launching their products.
Of course, being able to buy a track at a time is a great thing and definitely helped ipod gain market-share. But, Apple didn't invent it. It was there before ipod.
Osho
iPod shmyPod (Score:2, Funny)
Still wouldn't buy one (Score:2)
mod parent up! (Score:2)
How it took over? (Score:4, Interesting)
There are far better mp3 players out there, but they are harder to use, or their knobs are too small, or they have too many functions, or they are not well advertised...
What you gotta understand, and since we're kinda "geeks" here, I guess you already do, is that iPod is far from the best mp3 player out there, let alone with best value/price ratio (mentioning value/price ratio and Apple in one sentence makes me laugh).
Case in point, my shitty mp3 player:
$880 mp3/wma player with FM radio. It's smaller than iPod shuffle, but has a screen with song selections, doubles as a mass storate USB stick (1GB), it has rubber grip & it doesn't scratch at all, even if I put it in my pocket with my keys. Oh and it uses one AAA battery, so you never have to charge it, since you charge the other batteries while you're out listening to the player (and they are so tiny, you can carry 2-3 as a backup in your pocket for more than 16h total play time).
The brand? Canyon or something. Popularity: none. The manual is written in poorly written English, never seen ads or posters for it.
But iPod sucks compared to this thing.
Re:How it took over? (Score:2)
Re:How it took over? (Score:4, Informative)
If they are harder to use or their knobs are too small, they cannot be better. A better player would be easier to use with perfectly sized knobs.
In 2001, the iPod was far and above the best mp3 player out there.
By 2004 Creative Labs had caught up; they had released their Zen Micro to compete with the iPod mini, they had a minimal 5 element UI, they had finally adopted fast USB2, and they came in several colors.
What happened in the intervening 3 years?
Apple released a Windows compatible iPod, they had released a Windows compatible iTunes, they had released ever smaller iPods, the even smaller and thinner iPod mini (January of 2004, nine months before the Creative Zen Micro), and they had been continuously bumping the capacity and slowly reducing the price of the iPods.
So it doesn't seem surprising at all that, in the course of three years, that Apple would dominate if they kept releasing better and smaller and cheaper iPods. Fast forward to 2006 and it seems if anyone else wants to topple Apple then it might very well take three full years of concerted effort to topple them.
As per my "facts", you don't have to take my word for it, please look it up. Creative Labs took several years to catch up with 1.8" drives and 1" drives, colors, good UI, and good form factor.
Harder is better? (Score:4, Informative)
Sure, the iPod is not as full-featured as some other players, but I think the fact that they're harder to use automatically removes them from the "better" category. Ease of use is a feature, too, even for geeks like us.
Re:How it took over? (Score:2)
It's thicker, and round (to fit AAA), but smaller in height and width that a shuffle. I've compared them actually with an actual Shuffle.
There are smaller sticks than a pack of gum btw, so no idea what was that comparison about (I've seen a pack of gum too...).
$880 is more than the cost of ANY iPod.
Typo.. sorry, it's.
Am I the only one... (Score:2)
They got the whole system right, not just one part (Score:3, Insightful)
He points out that Apple didn't get just one thing right, they got a bunch of things right AND made them work well together.
== Quote:
The iPod's competitors have wasted years of opportunity by assuming that they can beat the iPod on features and price alone. They're wrong.
In fact, at least six factors make the iPod such a hit:
cool-looking hardware;
a fun-to-use, variable-speed scroll wheel;
an ultrasimple software menu;
effortless song synchronization with Mac or Windows;
seamless, rock-solid integration with an online music store (iTunes);
and a universe of accessories.
Mess up any aspect of the formula, and your iPod killer is doomed to market-share crumbs.
== Endquote.
I'd argue that they also got the ITMS business model right, in addition to the superb integration of the above six.
You'll note there's no mention of marketing anywhere there.
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:5, Interesting)
A clarification: iTunes will only rip to DRM-free formats. It will play some DRM'd formats (m4p, audible), but it will not create them. This is unlike WMP, which will take an un-DRM'd source format (CDDA) and add DRM to it when you rip it (although I believe this 'feature' can be turned off).
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:3, Informative)
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:2, Interesting)
Even though people don't have to do something, if it becomes ubiquitous enough, it's almost as if they have to. It's a lot more difficult to go against the grain, especially when they make going with the grain as easy as the
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:2)
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:3, Informative)
The people who can't be bothered to figure that out are probably so rich that they don't really care where the music comes from anyway, and aren't bothered by the fact that they'll have to repur
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:3, Funny)
or they just have live bands playing at thier house and in their limo all the time.
No, that's the iTMS. (Score:5, Informative)
I do not even care that there's this store, where admittedly you can buy music that's not easily reproducible. The store has nothing to do with the iPod; it was made after I bought my iPod, and hasn't influenced my decision to buy one (I think the US store had already been established at that time, though).
Exactly. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Exactly. (Score:3, Interesting)
er... legal alternatives to the ipod? There are illegal portable deviceS ??
is at best a wash on features (other than tight integration with iTMS) and is priced much, much more expensive (you pay a significant Apple fanboy premium versus competing players).
A wash on features on its own yes, you would be correct. But that's like comparing a small 30 piece lego car set with a car I carved out of wood myself.
The big feature, at this point, of the ipod (and the lego set) i
Re:No, that's the iTMS. (Score:5, Insightful)
Now only if they would get rid of the DRM, I would actually buy stuff there too. Right now, it's too risky. Who can guarantee me that in 10 years I can still play the music I buy now ?
Re:No, that's the iTMS. (Score:2)
Burn it to a CD--a smart move, generally, as hard drives have been known to crash from time to time.
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:2)
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:2, Insightful)
But yeah, it shouldn't have been marked as a "Troll" either. The population of slashdot has changed to the point that there are a lot of people with mod points who don't actually seem to know what a troll is anymore. C'est La Vie.
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:2, Funny)
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:5, Insightful)
Because his post is that of an anti-DRM troll. DRM is only tangentially relevant to the topic at hand, yet he used it as an excuse to go on an ideological rant.
No one *wants* DRM, but most everyone will accept it under reasonable terms. Apple's terms are more than reasonable. Posting such an unreasonable rant about reasonable DRM is not insightful--at least, yagu's rant isn't. His post is inflammatory, and really qualifies as a troll or flamebait, even though I'm sure he truly believes in what he posted.
Guess the apple fans don't like insightful opinions.
What was insightful about his post? Nothing in it was relevant to the topic of the iPod. Most of it was ideological vitriol. And the only reasonable part, which you point out below, was aimed at a company that did the *exact opposite* of the "CDDB betrayal" he complains about!
How is that not a troll, or at the very least flamebait?
Insightful? Are you mad?
The point about the CDDB database is relevent. It seems that all to often companies don't really understand what the consumer wants. Often times, the quality of community created software is vastly superior to anything a company would come out with due to their marketing restrictions.
Yes, all too often companies *don't* listen to their customers. The whole point of this slashdot story is that Apple does, and created a product that gives the customer what they really and truly want in the iPod.
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:4, Insightful)
You are confusing the iTunes Music Store with the iPod.
I have purchased 6 iPods and currently use 2 (sold the others). I haven't purchased a single track from the iTunes music store yet my iPods are full of music I have legally purchased.
I am fully in control of that music, as mentioned in the article. The iPod works perfectly with plain 'ole mp3 files.
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah.. Sony is negotiating with Roxio to automatically add a RootKit to all audio CDs burned with Toast
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:4, Informative)
Then why the fuck are you ranting about the iTunes Music Store?
Of course, that's assuming some other mechanism isn't in the pipeline to circumvent [burning to CD and ripping].
This is a virtual impossibility. They cannot enforce a system where you can't rip a standard CD without extreme effort, such as making a law that even *this* Congress won't pass.
And if it ever *did* happen, you'd still have be able to do it with your existing hardware and software long before it became impossible, which brings us to:
Oh, and the music you're writing to a CD to rip back to mp3s?
it started out inferior in quality... with compression.
Inferior to what? I knew when I bought it what format it was in. It's inferior to CD, superior to tape. If I really need a song in full CD quality, I won't buy a tape, or from iTunes, I'll buy a CD. As of yet, I haven't had a need to.
it will lose quality as it gets passed up the chain and back down -- you will have to make some "quality" decisions about what level mp3 you need to retain even the quality left in the track.
Or rip to lossless if you *really* care about the minimal amount of quality loss you'd get in most cases with AAC or MP3.
Oh yeah, you're going to have to re-enter the track, album, and artist info, that gets lost in the process.
No, it doesn't. When your burn a CD, iTunes remembers the track info for that CD, even if it's a mixed CD.
The burn-rip scenario you bring up is an emergency escape protocol to engage in *only* if for some reason you need to escape from iTunes DRM. Presumably, you're comfortable with the current terms if you've already bought more than a couple of songs, so this really only comes into play if Apple alters the terms of FairPlay in an unacceptable way, or you've decided to go into full-(hippie||libertarian)-mode with Linux or BSD.
In other words, *WORST CASE*, you have to burn and re-rip and decide whether to go lossless or take some most likely imperceptible quality loss, so no matter how much fear-mongering your wish to inject into the discussion, Apple has placed a bottom-limit on the "evil" you can attribute to their DRM. As an iTunes Music Store customer, I fully understand the possibility, but not the probability, what I may have to go through to 'liberate' my music, but as it stands, my music is freely usable enough as it is.
one of the most egregious betrayals by the music industry is the CDDB
Which has *what* to do with Apple? In fact, Apple corrects this so-called "betrayal" by using the CDDB to put your track names into your ripped music since the record labels have only exceptionally rarely put them on their CDs (which Apple does not create or sell, and thus has no responsibility for). Apple has gone even further, and done what the music industry has failed to do with CDs, and put the track information into the music that they actually *do* sell on the iTunes Music Store.
The music industry is pretty bad, and Apple has had to make some compromises in order to play with them (as we all must do when we deal with them, generally via buying CDs or listening to the radio), but Apple has actually done the commendable thing and given us a truly fair deal--a deal that has, built in, an emergency escape option. Do you expect the music industry would have done that on their own? Apple's not perfect, but all-in-all, they're pretty damn good.
I'm holding out hope I can continue to find unadulterated CDs, unencumbered (and high quality) mp3s and players that will play them all interchangeably and headache free.
Unadulterated CDs work just fine with iPods and iTunes. In fact, even adulterated ones (which have nothing whatsoever to do with Apple, iTunes (player or store) or the iPod) work just fine in iTunes on the Mac.
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:3, Funny)
Of course, that's assuming some other mechanism isn't in the pipeline to circumvent that.
Poster 1: "They're probably plotting something! Maybe! You never know!"
Posters 2 through 10: "Wow, how insightful!"
Re:iPod's marketing is so clever, (Score:3, Interesting)
No, but not calling products by their actual names does tend to make you appear ignorant. Deliberately getting the names wrong (as you are doing) is irrational.
Anyway, let's look at what seems to be your main point: Apple knows better than me how I want to organize my music
No, Apple knows better than you how to organize the files on the iPod. You are free to organize your music however you want.
You have absolutely no understanding of goo
Doesn't that make Digg redundant? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Is it me or... (Score:2)
Re:Only one REAL reason (Score:5, Insightful)
The iPod was popular on it's own at first because it was _simple_ and easy to use, their initial apps for it IMHO sucked miserably. But the iPod integrated with your already existing music library, and syncing everything up was very, very easy.
Now add a couple years, you can choose from a couple different models, all using the same easy to use interface, it still interfaces nicely with iTunes, which runs on Mac/Windows which can rip and organize all your CDs, and sync with your iPod, and hot dog! Now you can buy music straight from withini the same application that you already keep all your music in to begin with!
Don't fool yourself, marketing was a vital role, but don't underscore the brillant move by apple to bring all these music services into iTunes+iPod, because without the whole package you just have something that's smaller than the Nomad Jukebox, lame.
Re:Only one REAL reason (Score:2)
Re:Only one REAL reason (Score:2)
If it just works, and just works well, people don't care if they can only use Apple.
Re:Only one REAL reason (Score:2)
Besides, they are not locked-in to a single product, they have a range of sizes and colors to pick from, and they are constantly being upgraded. What more could you average clueless consumer want?
If the day comes and Apple magically switches off all the iPods in the world, about 85% of the people would download the little iPodDRMScrubber app or whatever. The other 15% don't care, as they will just re-purchase their music again, just like Records,
Re:Only one REAL reason (Score:3, Insightful)
The day Apple decides to change their business model, or to tweak what they allow you to do is the day you'll notice.
I own an iPod nano, which stayed virgin for about half an hour after buying it - it never had a single song uploaded and played with Apple's software. I run rockbox on it and have freedom to use it as I see fit.
Re:Only one REAL reason (Score:2)
Re:Only one REAL reason (Score:3, Funny)
WHAT?!? Fucking salesmen...
Re:PSP even without a harddrive blows away an IPOD (Score:2, Insightful)
Actually no, it still has its cool factor but nobody is going to "play" with yours because they already have one. It's now just a "keeping up with the Joneses" type of phenomenon. I don't have one because I hate Apple and don't like getting something jsut because everyone else has it.
PSP is too expensive and too niche-ey to bec
Re:PSP even without a harddrive blows away an IPOD (Score:2)
Onward!
Re:I think he's wrong (Score:4, Insightful)
It is a quality product, but look at Bose speakers. Marketing goes a long way.
Re:I think he's wrong (Score:3, Insightful)
There were at least five things that made the iPod stand out above the other MP3 players in 2001; it wasn't until 2004 that Creative Labs caught up.
1) Size/Density: In 2001 the iPod was 5gb in the size of a deck of cards. The 6gb Nomad Jukebox was the size of a Mac mini and the 256mb Rio PMP was the size of a Zippo. The similar 1.8" HDD Zen Touch wasn't released until 2004.
2) Upload speed: In 2001 the iPod used Firewire to upload songs at 12mb/s, compared to
Re:I think he's wrong (Score:4, Interesting)
Granted, I do get to spend twice as much money for an iPod that I do for my Lyra, but that's hardly reason to buy one.
The iPod is a lot like a Gucci purse. Any old K-Mart purse will carry stuff just as well, but it is not nearly as trendy.
(not that I carry a purse, but you get the idea)
Re:I think he's wrong (Score:3, Insightful)
Have a decent user interface. That may not be important to you, but it is important to a couple of people. Those people bought iPods.
Re:I think he's wrong (Score:2, Interesting)
Oh no, a good interfaces is extremely important to me.
A good buddy of mine has an iPod, I have a Lyra. The interface is not that much different between the two. Well, there is one difference. I can use my Lyra as a standard, portable USB hard drive. That's not an option on his iPod.
Unless you are talking about the user interface on the CPU. On my Linux box, the Amarok int
Re:I think he's wrong (Score:2)
You can configure the amount of space set aside for this disk function.
Re:I think he's wrong (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not so sure that those people even gave other products a passing glance, much less enough to make an informed choice. Their only concern during purchase is the color.
To say that everything out there pales in comparison to the iPod isn't very fair. The iPod has some usability shortcomings just as other players. I've owned the great 5GB Rio Carbon, and got a color iPod solely for the space. And I do miss the ability to bookmark a 5 hour mp3, start to play music in shuffle mode, then switch back to the bookmark, all without taking my Rio out of my pocket.
What's with the iPod only bookmarking "podcasts" and audiobooks, and not any old mp3 file?
What's with the iPod only having one shuffle option, and no option to shuffle based on genre, artist, etc?
So I don't think other players are getting their fair share of attention or respect. Maybe it's too much work to compare the available units to make a truly independant decision.
Re:I think he's wrong (Score:4, Informative)
Hope that helps.
Re:I think he's wrong (Score:2)