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Samsung Steals the Brain Behind the iPod
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Zonk
on Mon Feb 27, 2006 07:57 AM
from the mmmm-delicious-brains dept.
from the mmmm-delicious-brains dept.
An anonymous reader writes "The New York Times reports that Samsung has hired the same programming genius who helped make the iPod so great to design its own music player. They imply that the new Samsung device is just as innovative." From the article: "Samsung's choice of Mr. Mercer also shows how much consumer electronics now rely on the powerful computing capabilities that defined personal computers two decades ago. Samsung is betting that it can win a share of the music market dominated by Apple by using new software that mimics what is found in powerful PC's. The Z5, shaped like a stick of gum, has a 1.8-inch color screen and a 35-hour battery life, and is priced at $199 to $249 to compete with the iPod Nano, which costs $149 to $249. Early reviews have been positive, and Samsung is hoping that the Z5 will work smoothly with the range of subscription music services that support the Microsoft PlaysForSure digital music standard."
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Insani-CTO writes "David Pogue at the New York Times reviews Samsung's new Z5, the latest attempt at an 'iPod killer' He gives it a pretty favorable review, though doesn't quite count the Nano as dead quite yet. From the piece: 'The Z5, then, will not cause any discernible dip in iPod market share. It does, however, deserve to be a hit for Samsung. For someone who wants a Nano that's not a Nano, it's a close enough match in looks, sleekness, capacity and crystal-clear software design. In fact, if iPod didn't loom over every conversation as the screamingly obvious point of comparison, the Z5 could be the next little thing.'"
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I wanna know what happened to (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I wanna know what happened to (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:I wanna know what happened to (Score:3, Funny)
standard? (Score:4, Insightful)
That word does not mean what you think it means.
Re:standard? (Score:3, Informative)
"An acknowledged measure of comparison for quantitative or qualitative value"
Which is exactly what PlaysForsure is - a set of criteria that a digital music player has to fulfil in order to get the stamp of approval.
I do wish people would learn to speak English before they criticised others.
So now Steve Jobs Throws a Chair? (Score:5, Funny)
I bet not.
He probably meditates on it, then eats a miso sandwich.
Re:So now Steve Jobs Throws a Chair? (Score:5, Interesting)
Samsung's hiring of the same designer is nothing more than marketing hype. What Samsung hopes the public fails to realize, is that Steve Jobs is the guy who made the iPod what it is. PortalPlayer (the design company) actually delivered many iterations of the iPod that was much different from the final product. Each time, Jobs sent the device back with a laundry list of things wrong with it. Stuff that seemed completely out of place (e.g. extra bass boost because Jobs was slightly deaf) went into the design. PortalPlayer thought it was going to flop horribly after all the demands that Jobs had made. It was quite a shock to them when the iPod grabbed the market overnight.
So I would take this story with a grain of salt. If Samsung doesn't realize that they've got a cat in the bag, they will soon enough.
[Reference Article] [wired.com]
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Re:So now Steve Jobs Throws a Chair? (Score:3, Interesting)
I doubt Jobs' specific hearing problems had anything to do with that decision.
Take a look at any consumer audio product built in the last 20 years; chances are it has some sort of "Super Mega Bass Boost" function available on it (low-end shelftop units in particular embrace this feature).
People tend to think that audio with overemphasized low frequencies sounds fuller and louder, and therefor
neatish kinda (Score:4, Interesting)
but since it's not Apple, it's not going to really sell well at all. Plays For Sure doesn't really get you anywhere, either. The device will only sell well if it truly is a good device and is marketed.
If I remember right, Samsung really wanted to make it big in the MP3 market. They had some statement a while ago saying they wanted to eventually be in Apple's position. This kind of stuff makes me think they truly are serious, but what they don't understand is that you can't just follow if you want to control a market, you absolutely have to lead.
Re:neatish kinda (Score:4, Informative)
Dimensions:
Samsung's Z5: 1.66" x
iPod Nano: 1.6" x 0.27" x 3.5, 1.5" LCD, ~14 Hr Battery Life
Take two Nanos, stack one on top of another and you get a realization of how thick this thing is. But, with that extra thickness you pick up twice as much battery life (that should be a no brainer, seeing as doubling the size would double the available room to stash a battery). The screen is larger, but only marginally, and from the pictures it's at a strange aspect ratio (like that of a Cellphone) compared to the Nano's more naturally shaped screen (4x3?). Also worthy to note that the interface is going to be strikingly different, and that the Nano has Apple's FairPlay DRM vs. Microsoft's WMP10-DRM and some other DRM system called "Janus" (according to its product spec sheet). The Samsung unit will only ship with DRM compatibility for Windows (Media Player 10, sorry Mac users), and the unit comes in Black and Silver.
My opinion? It looks like a cellphone and an MP3 player got in a fight and the cellphone lost in a serious way. It's not particularly attractive looking with it's goofy offsized display, and the interface is questionable to say the least (the touchpad's square shape alone leaves one to question). It'll be interesting to see what impact, if any, it will have on the market.
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Re:Plays for Sure (Score:3, Insightful)
Can something be called a "standard" if the people who make it refuse to license it to anyone else, and indeed do everything they can to stop other people (e.g. Real) from interoperating with it?
Sounds more like a monopoly than a standard to me.
Apple's winning the digital music war because of good engineering
Yeah. Sure. And not at all because their initial marketing advantage enabled them to lock in a huge customer base,
Stop me if you have heard this before (Score:2)
They haven't shown that they can do anything the iPod can't do, so why would consumers switch?
ogg vorbis (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:ogg vorbis (Score:3, Informative)
Is it really so hard for companies to make their players mass storage compatible for use in other operating systems or as a last resort?
This will be a good data point... (Score:2)
A) Steve Jobs is a creative genius who controls every bit of design and implementation of his great ideas, allowing the people working on his teams to come up with successfull products.
or...
B) Steve Jobs comes up/recognizes good initial ideas, then micro-manages his team too much, coming up with great products that might be even better if he let his senior team members have slight
Steal ?!? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Steal ?!? (Score:5, Insightful)
We, as average /. reading Joes, do not know the whole story. You can not say that he was fed up with working for Apple, because his voice isn't in the article. In this instance we are supposed to read "Steal" as Apple paying $100,000 to do a job and Samsung coming along and saying "Hey, we know you're happy over there, but see we have these buckets full of cash that are going to waste and all and ...." then offering $900,000 to do the same job.
However, *neither* viewpoint is accurate as referenced in the article as it states that Paul Mercer was *not* working for Apple when he developed the software that ran the iPod. He owned and operated his *own* company called Pixo that was contracted to provide the software for the iPod. He did, however, work for Apple back in the System 7 days as a Programmer
He also is not working for Samsung. His new company, Iventor, Inc., has been contracted by Samsung to provide the software for their new Z5. It's a very small thing, grammatically, but an important one.
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It will fail for one reason... (Score:3, Interesting)
...it's not an iPod. It's like at Christmas getting a cheap Korean knockoff of the year's hot item. To beat the iPod you have to leapfrog it not clone it.
Kleenex... (Score:3, Insightful)
Let be honest, it's mainly not what's in the iPod that makes it sell, it's how it looks.
Taint? (Score:3, Interesting)
To beat the iPod... (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't understand it sometimes... companies like Samsung have incredible resources, and could easily start to build an iTunes software competitor, which also works with PlaysForSure, rather than relying on WMP. It's just symptomatic of a 'me-too' technology industry culture that attempts to eat like a cancer at the few innovators left.
It's not just about the iPod. iPod has powerful friends in iTunes and iTMS. You might stand a chance if you can get two competent and competitive products out of the three in the music-chain (Device-Software-OnlineStore), but concentrating on the iPod is like shooting blanks... that's not how to attack the problem.
Dodgy Analogy: It's like in any number of old-time video games where you come up against a boss enemy, and you can expend all your ammo shooting him in the chest (iPod), but you have to go for the weakspot (eyes, exposed brain a la HL etc.) which is the rest of the chain.
What makes an iPod an iPod is not the programming (Score:3, Insightful)
Something to do with style, quality, user interface,
Don't We Outsource Programmers? (Score:5, Insightful)
It doesn't take a genius to write the software for the iPod. It's well-written, yes, but my Nano has crashed a couple of times, so it's far from perfect.
The genius of the iPod comes from the hardware - the feel of the device when you first touch it, the click wheel that controls the menus so easily and intuitively (I've seen people learn to use the iPod is ten seconds from a standing start). The software is important, but the hardware is where the genius is.
Oh, and there's iTunes and the music store. They're good too!
Samsung employed the wrong person. They wanted Johnathan Ives, not some developer.
Re: It looks bland. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:What I like about the Koreans (Score:4, Funny)
No, no. They just claim to clone it. On closer inspection, you'll see that they faked their results
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