Apple Embeds Message to OS X Hackers 575
zentechno writes "Apple has confirmed it embedded a message in the form of a poem to those who would hack its version of OS X on Intel hardware." From the article: "The embedded poem reads: 'Your karma check for today: There once was a user that whined/his existing OS was so blind/he'd do better to pirate/an OS that ran great/but found his hardware declined./Please don't steal Mac OS!/Really, that's way uncool./(C) Apple Computer, Inc.'Apple also put in a separate hidden message, 'Don't Steal Mac OS X.kext,' in another spot for would-be hackers."
Sense of humor... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Sense of humor... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Sense of humor... (Score:4, Funny)
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huh (Score:2, Insightful)
Given the fact that there are sites dedicated to porting OSX, the "Would be" is a matter of opinion.
Re:huh (Score:4, Informative)
maxxuss [hotbox.ru]
Re:huh (Score:5, Insightful)
as a lot of Mac people have said...... if this is what makes Apple adopt MS-like security measures for the OS i will be unhappy. for those that don't use OS X, you have NEVER had to put in a serial number or do any authorization to install it. compared to some of the chaos MS users have had, i am thankful that Apple never had to worry about this so far. i buy every OS X release, but it's really nice not to have to deal with that. since i won't be trying to install Apple software of non-apple os i can be grumpy and say it would suck if they ruin it for us because they have to prove their extreme hacking skills.
Re:huh (Score:5, Informative)
Re:huh (Score:3, Informative)
Don't be (Score:4, Insightful)
Basically, you come here for the discussion, go to digg.com for the speed.
Re:Don't be (Score:3, Funny)
Score:5, Insightful
Mods are hitting the Slashdot brand kool-aid hard today.
From the Pretty please department... (Score:2)
Translation (Score:5, Funny)
In anticipation of the Intel switch, we believe we have made our legal department 4-5X faster too. We're actively looking to test and confirm those benchmarks.
XOXO, Steve
Re:Translation (Score:5, Funny)
There once was a rich man named steve-
For some reason he did believe,
That the very best way
Was keep hackers at bay
But we all know that soon he will grieve.
For squillions of geeks
'Tis but a few weeks
Till OSX runs on a dell
Eventually
This our steve will see
And 'twill be a cold day in hell.
Shareholders get mad
When their shiny doo-dad
Must learn to stand by itself.
But that day is here
And when dust has cleared,
I assure thee OSX on a shelf.
Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)
And the Sequel: (Score:5, Funny)
All other systems he'd explored
So he added one more to his hoard
Though against his methods the vendor implored.
Re:And the Sequel: (Score:5, Funny)
To write a few poems that did rhyme
But he butchered the meter
And then didn't delete 'er
Since he was apparently wholly unable to count the number of syllables on a line.
Cute, but... (Score:5, Funny)
Now that's what I'm talking about.
When you care to quote correctly... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:When you care to quote correctly... (Score:2)
Forgot... (Score:5, Informative)
I see your point but (Score:3, Insightful)
its not the same situation. The soviets could not have bought vaxen if they had wanted to. It certainly would have been cheaper for them to do so, but the technology was embargoed.
I remember a story that the apollo crew who linked up with a soyuz in the early 70's were surprised to find a mechanical sequencer (a cylinder with pins attached) running the show on the soviet side.
Re:Cute, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/images/russ
And as far as I remember, Soviet Union was never much interested in VAXen.
Pirate? (Score:4, Insightful)
And, Apple, you are free to innovate by releasing updates that make any progress on this front obsolete. It'll be a fun race that way.
Re:Pirate? (Score:4, Informative)
Actually, it's called a violation of their user license agreement.
Quote:
Re:Pirate? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Pirate? (Score:5, Informative)
Now, ask yourself, what is the legal and moral position of a company which is attempting to lead purchasers of its products to believe they have entered into an agreement which is unlawful in the jurisdiction of sale?
If this is wrong, please do cite a few EC cases or precedents showing it is. But no-one ever has, yet.
MOD PARENT UP (Score:2)
Exactly. You are right about the EULA portion. Unfortunately, in my country (the USA), we have a law called the DMCA that prevents you from circumventing DRM. Since Apple used DRM in OS X for x86 that prevents you from installing OS X on a vanilla x86 PC, cracking it is against the law, and is punishable under a heavy fine and/or even prison time.
Apple's restriction in the EULA is irrelevant, unenforcable, and most likely illegal. It is the DMCA that is the main issue.
Re:Pirate? (Score:3, Informative)
Moreover, because of the practical differences in contract law among civil code countries, the common law countries (UK, CY, MT, IE) and the fo
Re:Pirate? (Score:5, Insightful)
Which is nonsense, even if clickwrap licenses are nonsense the courts have decided to allow.
I already own a copy of the software before I ever see the license. If Apple wants me to license their software, rather than buy a copy, they can present me with the terms of the license before I pay and make agreement to the license a condition of the transaction. Since the implicit contract of purchase is complete before I see the license, Apple should not be able to add post-facto conditions, any more than I can put post-facto conditions on their use of the money I give them. The transaction, and the opportunity to place conditions on it, is over when payment has been rendered and the goods have entered my posession.
Re:Pirate? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Pirate? (Score:5, Funny)
A Dymo Labelmaker [amazon.com] is one heck of a lot cheaper than an Intel iMac [apple.com].
Fair use and pirating (Score:2)
If howe
Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple has two hurdles to overcome before they can successfully sell OS X for generic Intel hardware:
1) Convince manufacturers to write drivers for OS X. If 3/4 of he hardware out there RIGHT NOW lack OS X drivers for PPC, why would they magically have OS X drivers for Intel? So that means OS X won't be able to access your scanner, your TV tuner, your sound card, your mpeg accelerated video card, etc.
2) Create a reference platform of supported devices, after they convince manufacturers to provide drivers in step 1.
Without step 1, number 2 ends up being, more or less, an iMac or MacBook Pro. Which is more or less what they have right now, except that they haven't yet released OS X for Intel.
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:5, Insightful)
And Sun experienced this the same way. The x86 hardware they sell is undercutting their profits on their own architectures. That's ok only if they make more money this way.
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:2)
Those are the reasons why it's doubtful
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:5, Insightful)
Often Mac advocates want to have it both ways, say that Macs are no more expensive AND say that selling the OS separately would destroy the hardware business and with it the company. I think the reality is, they are more expensive, particularly at the high end, but not so much more expensive that there would be mass flight or substitution. Apple buyers are prepared to pay a premium to get something certified by Apple to work well.
In fact, I don't think there is much evidence for a great suppressed demand for OSX on non-Apple labelled hardware. Its something people have always assumed was out there - and back in the days of Classic and Win 3.1, there probably was such a demand, but now, probably not. Obviously there would be incremental sales, as for unbundled Windows, and they would be useful because they would have 100% margin, but they wouldn't affect the main business.
All in all, its very hard to understand the strategy, other than that its some kind of cultural obsession in Cupertino.
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:5, Insightful)
Just one problem, though. To use a playground analogy, Apple is the kid on the playground who owns his ball and refuses to let you use his ball outside of a few games that Apple likes to play on the playground. Apple will let you loan (or license) his ball to play four square, but won't let you use the ball to attach to a tether to play tetherball. Sure, you can tie the ball to the tetherball, but Apple will get mad and call up the yard supervisors and have you sitting in detention, thanks to a law called the PTMPA (Playground Toys' Millenium Protection Act), created by the TMAA (Toy Manufacturers' Association of America). The PTMPA disallows balls made specifically for four square to be used for tetherball, basketballs to be used for bowling, and other combinations, and is punishable by a hefty fine.
In other words, Apple owns OS X, and has created rules about how you can use it. Because it uses DRM, you cannot legally install it under your brand-spanking new vanilla x86 machine, even if you ran out and purchased bought two MacBook Pros and owned tons of Apple stock, thanks to the DMCA. Yeah, I would love to purchase OS X for x86 and install it natively on my PC, but that isn't going to legally happen anytime soon. I don't feel like breaking laws to simply use an operating system; I would much rather use GNU-licensed or BSD-licensed software and not have to worry about the legality of running it on whatever hardware I feel fit to install it on. I also believe that installing OS X on a vanilla PC should constitute as fair use, but the DMCA overrides fair use. The best way to get legal OS X for x86 on a vanilla PC is to either write up your Congresscritter and ask him/her to pass a bill repealing the DMCA (or, better yet, since elections for Congresscritters are this November, vote for candidates who will repeal it), or talk to Apple and show them the $$$ in selling copies of OS X for x86 to an open market.
It's sad what we have to deal with today thanks to our growing loss of fair use rights, but we have to deal with it for now until the political landscape changes in the realm of copyrights and fair use. In the meanwhile, we'll be either saving up for a Mac or working on making *nix easier to use and almost comparable to OS X. I wonder what Apple is more afraid of; selling copies of OS X and them losing money because people aren't buying their machines, or having to compete with a Linux or BSD distribution that just as good or better than OS X?
Tiny correction here... (Score:4, Informative)
That should read "Because it uses DRM, you cannot legally install it under your brand-spanking new vanilla x86 machine, at least not under US law and other insane jurisdicitons with (also insane) DMCA-like regulations".
Law 9609/98 (Brasilian "Computer Programs Intelectual Property Act"), art 6: "It is NOT infringement to the rights of the author of a computer program: (...) IV - to integrate it, maintaining its characteristics, to an operating or application system, if it's technically indispensable to the use of the software, and it's promoted by the user". IOW: if you bought your copy of MacOS X, you can hack it to use on your computer.
Law 8078/90 (Brasilian "Consumer Defense Code"), art 39: "It is prohibited, to any supplier of products and services: I - to condition the supply of any product or service to the supply of another product or service" (this is called in Brasilian Consumer Law "venda casada" == "married sale", where one product/service only goes where the other goes). IOW: If I want to buy MacOS X, Apple cannot refuse to sell it to me, even if I don't own a Mac.
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:3, Insightful)
Apple can't sell their OS for generic x86 systems.
The shortfall from the inevitable collapse of their hardware sales would drive the company into bankruptcy. Suddenly, no more Macs, no more OS X, and no...it wouldn't be open sourced in that case, so forget about that dream.
Everybody loses.
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:2)
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:5, Insightful)
It's quite simple. The PC market is much more price conscious than the Mac side of things. No one is going to pay the "Apple Tax" for hardware when they can build a PC for a few hundred bucks, or pay a small premium for someone to do it for them. Apple would still gain sales from style-concious consumers, but the overwhelming number of OS X users would drop the Mac in a heartbeat and go with something cheaper.
We know this because it happened once before already. Read up on your Apple history with regard to the mid-90s. That little episode was enough to bring the company to its knees.
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:2)
>or pay a small premium for someone to do it for them.
Yep yep. Anybody well-versed in economics knows that false economies are a bad bet over the long term. It's anyone's guess why you want Apple to subsist on this type of economy.
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:2)
Well, Apple only sells a handful of computer variations and specifications, and they are mostly in the high end. In the PC world, however, you can build a custom-made PC with any specification you desire. You can build yourself anything from an el-cheapo $200 machine with a decent Celeron or Sempron processor, all the way to dual dual-core Opteron and Xeon boxen that costs thousands of dollars. Imagine if Apple had to compete with Dell; Apple will hold its own against Dell's higher-end offerings, but App
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe not, but the question is, why would this destroy the hardware business instead of just enlarging the market? Why would the same Apple customers who now are buying premium hardware not simply carry on doing so? And more people who are now not Apple customers would in future buy other, non-premium hardware.
I am still not seeing it has any chance of destroying the hardware business.
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:2)
Re:Hackers to Apple, sell your fricking OS! (Score:4, Insightful)
This makes no sense at all. The main reason people want a hacked OS is because they are cheap bastards. By definition they aren't interested in spending money. Trying to sell them something that they are already stealing is not an effective tactic.
RIAA/MPAA party line. (Score:3, Insightful)
Nope. Main people they want a hacked OS is because the un-hacked OS does not run on their machines and for the moment they are not interested in new hardware, thank you, just in new software. People who say "no, I don't want the Super Size combo" and "yes, I know two apple pies is just fifty
Oh yeah? (Score:2, Funny)
The phone companies robbed him blind
He'd do better to phreak
With a 2600Hz beep
So a blue box was designed
Please don't steal phone calls!
Really, that's way uncool.
*saw this over at MacRumors
In light of this... (Score:3, Funny)
This is the UK sale of goods legislation (Score:5, Informative)
Test of fairness A term is unfair if: * contrary to the requirement of good faith it causes a significant imbalance inthe parties' rights and obligations under the contract, to the detriment of consumers."
"Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977
"Consumer Sale of Goods Contracts
"Consumers cannot have their legal rights removed in sale of goods contracts. Furthermore, it can be an offence to mislead consumers about their legal rights. To do so could result in a criminal prosecution. For example, notices such as "We do not give refunds" are misleading and cannot be used. Enforcement is undertaken by local Trading Standards Departments."
These quotes are from Department of Trade and Industry Guidelines.
It must be very doubtful that a EULA which forbids you to do things with the product after you have bought it, that you can perfectly well do, and which you have some reasonable reason to want to do, can be lawful in the UK or the EC. In fact, putting clauses in a Eula which mislead the consumer about his rights under the law in this regard appears, from the above, to be criminal.
A bit hypocritical (Score:4, Funny)
While I realise that Apple have to protect their technology, Steve Jobs' anti-hacking comments lately have been a bit hypocritical, given his history. Here is a more appropriate poem:
From Hackers to Apple (Score:3, Funny)
but I am sure you have all read Slash-dot
This hacking we do is not aimed at you
And we don't mind if we all get caught
we find the law a touch stringent
and pedantically we must say its not stealing..
but Copyright infringement .
Though we are sure that this is not always the case.
If we bought it then we own this
You the see problem with the EULA
is that when you pay
Its as binding as an plastic toupee
Endlessly expanding the definition of "stealing" (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Endlessly expanding the definition of "stealing (Score:4, Informative)
Mac OS X crippled (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple takes FreeBSD which runs on just about any platform including Intel and put into Darwin/MacOSX then Apple cripples OS to run on DRM Intel board, and embed messages to be found by people who decripple the OS to run on any Intel board.
Now who's calling who uncool ? Decrippling is totally cool in my book while Crippling is not regardless of legality.
Apple! I'm calling you out. 3PM after school, by sandbox!
Re:Mac OS X crippled (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, no. Darwin is a freakish hybrid of Mach, FreeBSD 5, and Apple's own work. The device driver interfaces are not compatible.
That said, the "poem" sounds pretty childish.
Re:Love your signature... (Score:4, Informative)
If you didn't include the final ,1, then whatever you loaded was loaded into the 38k RAM block set aside for basic programs. If you did include it, it would load into RAM starting at the address the person saving it had designated.
Some programs loaded into the top half of the BASIC RAM, which was fine if you weren't running any BASIC programs, because that was the area BASIC used to store variables. However, there was a 4k block starting at 49152 which was set aside solely for user-initiated macine language programming and/or data storage (i.e. sprites, etc), so some programs would load in with ",8,1" or ",1,1" and then you'd type "sys 49152" to get them started.
Last, there was some set of registers just below the BASIC RAM that you could use to auto-start a program. I think that the way that these programs were written, they'd write a small basic program as a loader that would include a command similar to "LOAD 'MAINPROGRAM',8,1", and then they'd tack something on to the beginning of it which would be unintelligible if you loaded it right into BASIC RAM, but if you loaded it with the final ,1, the pre-pended stuff would fall into a register that said, "Execute the program that's just loaded", and the BASIC would be in the right place. I remember typing in a program from Compute's Gazette that let me create such auto-run files.
Ah, those were heady days!
Change of heart (Score:3, Interesting)
Now, you're a "pirate" if you try to "decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, modify, or create derivative works of the Apple Software or any part thereof."
Whatever happened to "1984 won't be like 1984"?
please stop the whining (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, Apple has the copyright on the whole thing, and BSD doesn't disallow what they are doing, but it's not like OS X is some hugely innovative piece of software that was entirely created by Apple. So, assert your rights in court if you like, but stop the whining--it's inappropriate.
Re:That's not bad... (Score:5, Funny)
Who saw another BSOD and said f..k it
Re:That's not bad... (Score:5, Funny)
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Who saw another BSOD and said fuck it,
He couldn't get any sex,
So he installed OS X,
With love that requires a mop and bucket.
Re:That's not bad... (Score:2)
Re:That's not bad... (Score:5, Funny)
Bad axe in apple tree
Please do not steal our fucking
OS you bastards
Re:Lame (Score:5, Insightful)
Where do you get this sense of self-entitlement? Apple spent their money creating Mac OS X. They get to decide how they want to sell it. If you don't like how they sell it, you don't have to buy it. You're not morally, much less legally, entitled to do what you want with their hard work, just because you can.
Apple isn't denying that people are capable of breaking their copy-protection. They're asking that people don't, out of respect for their right as producer of the software to sell it under their terms.
I don't understand this attitude, where people think that they are fucking entitled to pirate music, movies, software, or whatever. They actually get offended when you tell them that it's immoral!
I mean, I can understand the attitude of "Yeah, I know it's wrong, but I don't care." I don't agree with it, but I understand it. But I don't understand the people who truly don't see what's immoral about, for example, running Mac OS X in a way that Apple expressly asks you not to.
They don't have the moral right to dictate HOW (Score:5, Insightful)
> way that Apple expressly asks you not to.
Because I don't recognize their moral authority to tell me HOW to use their product. Their Copyright only gives them the right to control making copies. Yea I'd violate the letter of that if an iso appeared that would boot on my hardware simply because of curiosity. I wouldn't adopt it for daily use and certainly wouldn't use it at work without buying a copy. (Although until the first upgrade hits retail I'd probably have to buy the PPC copy and call it close enough.)
And I don't recognize any right for them to say their copyrighted work can ONLY be accessed on their brand of player. That is the same sort of bullshit arguments the MPAA and the DVD-CCA use to tell me I can't play DVDs I own on a DVD drive equipped PC I own because they refuse to bless a player for my preferred platform. By your logic I should just forego DVD on Linux or be a good lemming and install Windows. Wrong, I didn't 'license' my season sets of South Park, I BOUGHT copies and I'll read them wherever I damned well please and if I want to skip the trice damned commercials for Drawn Together and the Daily Show I will. And if I ever decided to install OS X I'd BUY a copy of it and do whatever I damned well wanted to with it as well and Steve could just go perform an improbable act of self procreation if he didn't like it. It is just a fscking product people, you don't have to join Steve'e cult and lose all sense of right and wrong.
Re:They don't have the moral right to dictate HOW (Score:5, Insightful)
"What's your opinion on academic or personal-use licenses, then?
I can buy a copy of IntelliJ IDEA for academic use for $99, or a license for personal use for $199. They charge (I think) $599 for the commercial license. All have equal functionality. So, you think it's moral for me to buy the personal license for $199, and then use it to create commercial software? After all, what right do they have to tell me what to do with the software I've purchased? I should be able to do whatever I want with it, regardless of what the terms of the sale were."
Re:They don't have the moral right to dictate HOW (Score:3, Insightful)
I call bullshit and don't tell me that I'm not a moral person. People often shock and disgust me by how selfish and downright malicious so many of them are - even "decent" people seem uncaring and compassionless at best to me. Frankly, I'm the sort of person other peeople take advantage of. So am I worried that some rich company is going to get their feelings hurt if I use their OS on the hardware of my choice? 'Course not. If I pay for it I am entitled to use it on my hardware. They are just trying to forc
Fair Use (Score:2)
Nearly everyone agrees that the majority of EULAs are dumb. If I want to buy OS X at the Apple Store, bring it home, and make it run on my x86 software that is my business. It is equally my business if I follow someone else's directions to do so.
This is wha
Re:Lame (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm not a pirate. I never pirated anything in my life, and never will, either. I only use proprietary software that I licensed and FOSS software. I respect and obey all copyright laws, even some of the most restrictive ones (such as the DMCA).
However, I believe your error in your argument is that you think that all objects must be used in the way that
Re:Lame (Score:2)
Re:Lame (Score:2)
But most agreements are pretty amoral.
And yes, life isn't fair. But it's important to reject unfairness and to striv
Re:Lame (Score:2)
Why?
Re:Lame (Score:2)
I can buy a copy of IntelliJ IDEA for academic use for $99, or a license for personal use for $199. They charge (I think) $599 for the commercial license. All have equal functionality. So, you think it's moral for me to buy the personal license for $199, and then use it to create commercial software? After all, that right do they have to tell me what to do with the software I've purchased? I should be able to do whatever I want with it, reg
You are a slave (Score:5, Interesting)
Image you went to your local baker and bought a loaf of bread and then were threathened with jail time for hacking it up into little bits and feeding it to the ducks when clearly the baker decided it was only to be used for human consumption.
But computers are different. It causes people like you to behave like slaves who lick their masters asses and swallow everything they deliver.
Apple sells software. Once it made the sale I can do with it what I want for my personal use. If I decide to take it apart and chance it to run on other hardware or to function in a way different then it was before then that is my right.
Oh but wait of course, I get it. Games were never intended to run with trainers. So trainers are illegal. They also never meant for you to use someone elses savegame so savegames are illegal. They also do not come with a walkthrough so clearly walkthroughs are illegal.
Running say program X on a emulator is obviously clearly illegal.
But then I got a bit of bad news for you. Your lord and master Steve Jobs is breaking his own laws. By allowing windows software to run in emulation he is hacking that software to run on platforms it was never intended to run on. Could every windows developer sue whenever a mac user runs a bit of windows software?
No, Apple has a right to cry foul when people give away its software for free but when I buy a copy of Mac OS X in the shops I am then free to use it in anyway I please. I can use it as a coaster. I can run it on mac hardware and I can hack it and run it on whatever I like. As long as I respect the fact that I got right to 1 copy of it running at anyone time I am in the clear.
Anyone who tells you different is a fucking tool.
Re:Lame (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Lame (Score:2)
If Mattel sold you the game under the condition that you only play it in strict accordance with the rules, then yeah, you would be morally wrong in not obeying their request.
If you think that such a requirement is ridiculous, you are free not to buy the board game.
Re:Lame (Score:3, Insightful)
They wrote OS X. They get to decide how to sell it. If you don't like the conditions, don't buy it.
It is immoral to say "I don't like the conditions they're selling it under, so I'm going to violate them." How can you not respect the fact that they, as authors of the software, have the right to sell it under the terms they prefer?
Let's say you
Not the same at all (Score:2)
This is silly; the real reason Apple doesn't want a lot of people
Re:Lame (Score:2)
Re:Lame (Score:2)
If you don't like the terms, you don't have to buy the CD. If enough people don't like the terms, the CD won't sell well, and the RIAA will be pressured into changing their policies.
Re:Lame (Score:5, Insightful)
Question: do you think the same applies to MS Office? They wrote it, they get to decide whether you run it under Wine or not. If you don't like the conditions, don't buy it? Or to Windows. They charge OEMs for all computers sold regardless of whether they have Windows installed. You are an OEM. They get to decide how to sell it...
Fact is, companies cannot set any conditions they like, because there is in most Western jurisdictions both competition law restraints, and consumer protection restraints.
This is not an argument about whether they should sell OS X or not, its just an argument about whether they have the legal right to impose these kinds of restrictions on use, post sale. Don't believe so.
Re:Lame (Score:2)
If they want to restrict you to being able to use their product from 12:00 PM to 12:10 PM on the third Tuesday of every month in leap years, then I think they have that right. You don't like it? You think that's too restrictive? Don't buy their product. Simple as that.
Re:Lame (Score:3, Interesting)
I can buy a copy of IntelliJ IDEA for academic use for $99, or a license for personal use for $199. They charge (I think) $599 for the commercial license. All have equal functionality. So, you think it's moral for me to buy the personal license for $199, and then use it to create commercial software? After all, that right do they have to tell me what to do with the software I've purchased? I should be able to do whatever I want with it, reg
Re:Lame (Score:2)
If Apple wants to sell me the software under terms other than the legally-established default terms for sales of copies of software, they should present me with them in advance. Presenting me with the terms after payment has been rendered is what is immoral, even if clickthrough EULAs have been blessed by the courts.
What are those default terms?
Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117 (a) of the United States Code reads:
Notwi
Re:Lame (Score:2)
Check the box. You bought an upgrade to an existing copy of MacOS/OS X, not a full copy. Apple doesn't sell full copies of OS X, only upgrades. As such, does your Pegasos box already have OS X running on it? MacOS 9? Didn't think so.
Re:Lame (Score:2)
They wrote OS X. They get to decide how to sell it. If you don't like the conditions, don't buy it.
Unfortunately for you, that's not the case. Copyright law has a number of limitations, and in many jurisdictions (such as the EU and potentially even the US - see the Lexmark toner suit) clauses limiting which hardware a product can be used with are
Re:Lame (Score:2)
But I'm not talking about legality. I'm talking about morality.
And I've never once said on here that TPM is evil. I would not be up in arms if Microsoft put a clause in the Office EULA forbidding it's use under WINE. Don't assume that, just because I post on Slashdot, my opinions are the same as that of the majority here.
If the RIAA decides that it will only sell you a CD under the condition that you don'
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No, some products they sell includes hardware. They also sell boxed sets of OS X, probably intended for upgrades. I see nothing in the original intent behind Copyright that limits me from doing whatever the hell I want with those bits, including merging in 3rd party patch sets that will allow it to boot and run on generic hardware. The DMCA might say otherwise but it is immoral and every right thinking person
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If you won't give me your credit card info, I'll just take it from you instead! In case you don't get it, you are the publisher of your credit card info, and since you refuse to publish that info, I'll just bootleg it instead.
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Apple is approaching this with a lot of common sense, respect for legitimate users, and humour.
you're acting like a childish prick because everything doesn't go your way. wah! Han shot first! wah! I can't afford a Mac! wah! stealing makes me a hero! wah!
grow up and get a life.
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Michael Dell, is that you!?
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some of us like having machines that run really well to use as tools to do work and not spend our days working on them.
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Yes, as my current computer is running a multi-button Logitech using Apple's drivers. And in fact, they even sell a multi-button mouse. (Mighty Mouse [apple.com]) Though you are right, there should be a school...
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You don't think it had anything to do with CmdrTaco not wanting to splash your username on the front page, would it?
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Oh man, you could not have chosen a better verb!