Intel Head Recommends Apple 705
pboulang writes "noted in this
article in the WSJ:
Pressed about security by Mr. Mossberg, Mr. Otellini had a startling confession: He spends an hour a weekend removing spyware from his daughter's computer. And when further pressed about whether a mainstream computer user in search of immediate safety from security woes ought to buy Apple Computer Inc.'s Macintosh instead of a Wintel PC, he said, "If you want to fix it tomorrow, maybe you should buy something else.""
Linux? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
We should just be glad his advocating the use of something that ISN'T Windows, not upset that he isn't advocating the use of Linux.
Re:Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
He can slap his daughter till she falls over and the root cause of the problem will still have a blue screen. Someone should slap bill gates. That dickwad could actually fix the problem (unlike that little girl you want to slap). She is a victim in a world thats so insane but you don't see it because you are numbed up to the spyware shuffle.
Re:Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
The Intel guy is right. I don't have a firewall other than what comes with my Mac and I have NEVER spent a nickel on anti-malware programs of any kind. A good consumer computer should be secure out of the box, like a Mac generally is. Every car comes with good locks and other anti-theft systems. Should a consumer have those install those themselves? Why can't the richest man on Earth deliver a safe, secure computing experience to people like Mr. Otellini's daughter?
If she had a Mac and did not know the admin password, she could not screw up the entire computer even if her life depended on in short, of hitting it with a hammer or throwing it out of a third floor window, ie. physically assaulting it. She might manage to mess up some of her files, but the system itself would keep running just fine.
If MS and all the other computer makers were held liable in court for their crapware, the way car makers and makers of most other CONSUMER goods are, the security problem would have been solved long ago. Of course so far, a BSOD has not resulted in the death or injury of anyone AFIK, except possibly to a few computers bashed in by irate users that just lost large amounts of hard work to a crash.
Re:Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
You don't get to be the richest man on Earth by giving people more for thier money.
Re:Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Interesting)
Seriously, exploits DO count. That's the whole point, you can break security on a windows box by running one of the MANY exploits. Your whole argument hinges on the understanding that exploits don't count and Windows is secure if you don't count them...are you CRAZY???
Think about it. How do systems get hacked/cracked? It isn't by sitting there and guessing at passwords all day...granted that's one way to do it but it is inefficient...and while that would work on virtually any system it ju
Re:Linux? (Score:4, Interesting)
Are you a programmer... or do you just play one on TV? Seriously, I need to burn some karma on this one.
I can't even quote sections of your post 'cause I'd be using the whole thing. First off, let me *defend* Windows (easy there, skript kiddeez, I'm typing this from my debian box)
The Win32 API is big and ungainly in some places. It's not always consistient, and it's implementation most certainly has bugs... but it IS THE MOST comprehensive application development environment ever built. Please note, I said Applications, not systems.
Win32 does not NEED an object model... repeat after me... system API's do not need object models. Would you prefer glibc to be OO? If you need classes, you've got MFC. If you need Components, you've got COM and it's ilk.
I agree, I think MFC sucks... at least for my programming style. But there are LOTS of developers who will disagree. I also feel like programming in PHP is a PITA... but I *love* coding perl (I never said I was mentally stable) To each his own.
Now, your most blatantly ignorant statement: the Windows Security Model... tell me, how log ago did you print out your degree... or are you speaking from years of inside experience? The Windows 'security model' look great on paper, doesn't it? ooooo, domain management, trust relationships, end-to-end encryption... tokens, global admins, profiles.... yep... it's pretty complex. Now imagine how many admins understand the interactions between all the parts and know how to make it work. Now imagine how many 'leet haxorz are out there slipping through the chinks... heck, I routinely slip past the security model of my company's windows network so I can actually work efficiently. To say that the model hasn't been broken is like saying President Clinton did not have sex with that woman, monica lewinski. Even fort knox can be breached if some idiot leaves a window open... and Windows is no fort knox. It's more like a tent with a professionally-printed sign that says 'this is fort knox'
Anyhow, I've gotta go... I'm busy developing SECURE systems for a living.
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
The biggest trick Microsoft ever pulled was convincing people that having a secure computer was hard, and that the occasional virus was normal. We need to have a culture shift; insecurity and major design flaws shouldn't be tolerated by users. I don't understand why people put up with fighting with their software, working around bugs to do ba
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
calc.exe
notepad.exe
mspaint.exe
sol.exe
Need I go on? Or were you looking for real examples? If so, sorry, I can't help ya ; )
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Re:Linux? (Score:3, Interesting)
or maybe Intel really has another reason to mention Apple, like scaring a distributor which maybe got too much self esteem?
Ie., Dell?
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Interesting)
Apple SW + Intel CPU/chipset + Dell mobo and sales... the combined hype and marketing force alone would topple mountains, not to mention put a dent in Microsoft's ego and even profits.
Oh yeah, and throw a little Google in there somewhere too... desktop search or something... lol
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
Why should it EVER happen? Why would Apple adopt the aging x86 architechture over the PowerPC? Even M$ uses IBM's PowerPC type processors in their new X-box. The new Sony Playstation also uses superior IBM technology processors. Why is it that a thousand or more Macs can be lashed together to build a supercomputer for way less money than doing the same sort of thing with the always touted supposedly cheaper standard Intel boxes? App
Why not Linux? (Score:4, Insightful)
I am a long time Linux user, and happy free software advocate. Been using Linux for years and am completely microsoft-free.
I've been given free versions (legally) of all the versions of Windows 2000 and Windows XP on several cds with the ability to install it on whatever I want. (Windows CD's, along with AOL cds, make nice coasters.. Well no they don't. but they work in a pinch).
Linux is difficult to understand. That's all.
You know for most sound cards, if you want more then one application to make sound at one time you have to configure dmix?
That's not easy. And is just a example.
OS X on the other hand is easy. It works and is easier to use then OS X.
That being said I find for personal use that Linux is much superior.
Re:Why not Linux? (Score:3, Funny)
I disagree, Linux is easy. It works and is easier to use then Linux.
Re:Why not Linux? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Why not Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
Your post just makes it feel like you're giving me a big, warm hug...
Re:Why not Linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
This item normally works fine in Windows (with drivers from Logitech). However, to counter point.. I've never been able to get my apple wireless keyboard to work in Windows, while it works just fine in linux (though it was
Re:Why not Linux? (Score:4, Interesting)
And that's the problem with Linux. It's like a TR7 that a friend used to have; it's a great car if you want to spend more time working on it than driving it. He would drive from New Jersery to Virginia to see his girlfriend, and then spend all weekend working on his car so that he could get back home.
IW4M (Score:3, Interesting)
Occasionally the Flash plugin goes wild, but VeryNice [cornell.edu] fixes that automagically after a few minutes (and later Konquerors also offer to fix it for you on the spot if set to do so).
OTOH my book-keeper plugged a Win2k-based laptop into his LA
Re:Why not Linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
For that, I think that Linux can easily meet the needs of basic web browsing, word processing, spreadsheet use, and media playing, which is all that many of computers are used for. If
Re:Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
My wife's grandparents have Windows XP. They called recently to ask if they should buy this new "Tiger OS" they saw on the news.
They get confused when AOL moves the "Email Photos" icon around.
They'd be fine on an Apple machine, because it's hard to screw things up. With Linux, you're automatically at a disadvantage - it's hard to NOT screw things up.
Nowadays, when they have problems I tell them to call Gateway support.
Linux is a great choice for lots of people and for lots of situations. But not for everyone.
Consider the guy's daughter in the story - he cleans spyware from her computer on a regular basis. Will she be smart enough to handle anything but the most idiot-proof OS?
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Interesting)
I disagree. With Windows it is easy to screw things up. With Linux, not so.
Sure, you can screw it up if you have the root password, but why would you give the root password to a child!?! You can do so much as a normal user.
I think if you had the admin password for a mac, you could screw thing up easily too...
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
This, IMO, is why we are in the sequirty mess we're in today. A computer is not a toaster. It is, in fact, possibly the most complicated device known to man. You're going to have to enter a fucking password to be secure, OK? Get over it.
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
Either you were working as root _all the time_, something which anybody will recommend you NOT to do, or you used su, which asks you for a password. So I fail to see your point.
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Interesting)
That's the point of Linux. The Admin can lock out the user so that they only USE the OS to run applications. They CAN'T screw the system up because they don't have access to do so. THAT'S idiot proof.
The real concern for the daughter using Linux is whether he favorite app Foo has been ported or copied by an OSS alternative.
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
This is what's wrong with the Linux community. What if there's no Admin? What if the only person involved is the primary user him- or herself? What if those grandparents had no one to set it up perfectly for them and ensure they'd only use a web browser? It's just not that simple.
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
If you have no admin at your disposal, you better learn how to maintain your operating system. You can't get away from that with ANY computer, even the great and mighty OS X.
If you don't take care of it, eventually, it WILL break. And then you'll need an admin. A user shouldn't have to learn to do all that simply in order to use a browser,
Re:Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
Windows = virus and malware magnet, IP-encumbered, $$.
Linux = harder to set up, free, Free.
Doesn't establish Linux as the clear winner, but it has it's place at the table.
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
Than what? My toaster? Linux? Windows?
$500 nets you a machine that runs OS X, if you haven't been paying attention.
You're going to have to point me at a machine that runs Linux that's "free, Free" (as in beer).
Re:Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Linux? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Interesting)
That's bull. Case in point: I've set up a system for a friend who has 2 goals in using a computer; porn and surf music. He seems quite happy with his Linux system, and doesn't bug me with any questions.
The reason why he asked me to install Linux? Every 6 months, he would have to call in a PC tech to clean his Windows system from virus and malware.
After a few years of that, he happened to hear that I did not have these proble
Re:Oh Reginald.... I DISAGREE!!! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Oh Reginald.... I DISAGREE!!! (Score:4, Informative)
This isn't exactly like having root access, but it's pretty close. It allows you to sudo -s and become root whenever you want, but remain a regular user the rest of the time.
If you go into the System folder and start deleting (or moving, renaming, whatever) things, you're immediately required to authenticate and become root in order to do it. No password, no deleting.
Although I'm not too familiar, I imagine that someone with root/administrator access on a Windows box can similarly screw things up with a few well-chosen deletions. Let's face it: any modern computer has to store critical files somewhere on the drive, and any decent operating system is going to have a way to let superusers modify them. If you let idiot users become root or Administrators, they're going to screw things up.
Stupidity is platform-independent, I'm afraid.
Re:Linux? (Score:2)
Re:Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
Until some big retailer starts selling pre-loaded Linux systems, Linux will continue to be out of reach of most mainstream consumers.
Re:Why not Linux? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:No, I don't (Score:3, Insightful)
No, correct (Score:5, Insightful)
1) Downloading a
2) Weeding his/her way throught this [gentoo-wiki.com] before he/she can update/install their Applications.
Invite to the closing Party (Score:3, Funny)
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
An hour a weekend? (Score:2)
This sound like a joke, and until he man comes to my house and tells me this to my face, I'll not believe him. An hour. Seriously? I don't know if I've spent an hour
Re:An hour a weekend? (Score:4, Interesting)
Its hell. Kill spyware once a week, format once every 3 months.
Re:An hour a weekend? (Score:2)
Teen. Age. Daughter.
Surprised the machine is that easy to clean.
Re:An hour a weekend? (Score:3, Funny)
Sure. But doesn't every father want to lock up his daughter's box??
Re:Try working in an all-girls secondary school... (Score:3, Funny)
Timed it (Score:3, Informative)
Well i work for a fair sized company i would say that a typical mywebsearch, comet cursor, 180solutions, screensaver inc, etc spyware infection takes about 20 minutes to disinfect.
for this i would be using
hijack this [majorgeeks.com]
spybot search and destroy [safer-networking.org]
and the microsoft anti spyware [microsoft.com]
Oh and the most important thing is to do it from SAFE MODE with network. I would recomend installing and running all those tools from safe mode. This
Re:An hour a weekend? (Score:3, Interesting)
I spent an hour today at lunch trying to remove spyware from my 13yo cousins computer.
With the reboots, multiple programs (lavasoft and spybot) updated, still couldn't get rid of pop-up windows. This computer hasn't been online yet a week. :(
Don't worry, I have a plan. [xandros.com]
Re:An hour a weekend? (Score:2)
I removed it from 2 machines today (corporate): I re-imaged them. Took about 1/2 hour each to return them to original state with Ghost then reload the user Profile (oh, P4 boxes running XP Pro). Of course this kills all files on the hard drive, and any local customizations but hey! Just write a procedure: "Do not keep stuff local" and you are fine. -till tomorrow... If you want to remove ALL of MyCoolWebSearch, MySearchBar, Or whatever the crap dujour is with out killing the whole machine and getting AL
Re:An hour a weekend? (Score:3, Interesting)
I have a user on my machines called IEUSER with very little privleges. You can create a shortcuts to replace your normal IE shortcuts to start IE as that user automatically with:
C:\WINDOWS\system32\runas.exe
Of course you can start any progam in this manner.
The problem is when links are clicked from other applications, it starts IE being the default browser with my credentials. I have no
[OT] tagline (Score:3, Funny)
I have a little sign in the back window of my car - about where people like to put their "My child is an honours student at..." stickers - saying in CAPS, slightly L33t5p0|<3|\|, dotmatrix font: "My leet hacker child owns your honour student's Windows box"
I've seen one guy on the freeway flip from bored-silly/screensaver-mode to laughing at it so hard that he drove over the cateyes on the lane markers several times. Frustrated admin, I guess.
My Commodore 64 never got viruses (Score:5, Funny)
Great idea. (Score:2, Funny)
But seriously, Windows was essentially designed to be insecure. People wanted a system that was easy to use, and didn't want to have to deal with unlocking all sorts of security measures just to get networking done. Eventually, people started exploiting the lack of security, and that's why it's so bad now.
I suppose a better analogy would be:
Hey, someone keeps breaking in and stealing my wallet. Let's put all of our money under the bed.
Doesn't rea
Marketing ploy (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Marketing ploy (Score:3, Interesting)
"startling confession" - Apple using Intel chips? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:"startling confession" - Apple using Intel chip (Score:3)
Re:"startling confession" - Apple using Intel chip (Score:5, Insightful)
Joking aside, I say more power to you Otellini. In the business world, truth is in a very short supply and it's good to see a business man who won't resort to lying, deceit, and FUD to try and boost his company's sales. *salutes*
Re:"startling confession" - Apple using Intel chip (Score:3, Insightful)
As someone who uses his Mac for video and animation production, that would be a hefty price tag indeed. Apple's not interested in pissing off its curre
Knoppix! (Score:4, Interesting)
nothing stored on the hard disk but user files (Score:4, Insightful)
Really, It's all about the user files. If noone cared about their user files, then security would not be an issue. We could just wipe our computer's clean everynight. But it's not so - backups are a huge pita, so we do everything we can to avoid reloading the os.
Sure knoppix solves some of this by making the OS read only, and forcing the user to keep their files on a separate filesystem. But there are still a few problems with this.
First of all, the system is made up of processes in memory. There is nothing to stop an attacker from having the user download a malicious app to their own filesystem and running it from there, or even terminating or replacing system processes. Nothing aside from unix security - score one more for knoppix vs. windows, I guess.
More importantly, the user's data is still on a read-write media. As I already mentioned, this is really the important stuff. If someone can find a hole in Firefox that can delete your home directory, you won't really care that the system is still safe, will you?
And finally, the if the user wants to install software that is not on the CD, they are out of luck. That is unless they can install it into their home directory. Review problem 1 for why this counteract the benefit of a read-only system disk.
If booting off of a CD makes knoppix more secure, then RiscOS must be even more secure, since it boots from ROM. It probably is, but not for that reason - more likely because it's not a target. Knoppix is certainly more convenient to secure because of the reason you mentioned, but is not really any more secure than a hard-disk based linux like fedora.
Just use common sense. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Just use common sense. (Score:5, Insightful)
That's just wrong.
"Secure" OSs just won't/can't get viruses & spyware.
Of course, that's not to say that real OSs are perfect. Worms, rootkits and trojans still must be guarded against, but it's pretty easy for a "desktop user" to do.
Re:Just use common sense. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Just use common sense. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Just use common sense. (Score:5, Insightful)
Ummmmmmm (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Ummmmmmm (Score:3, Funny)
Ignorance is no excuse. (Score:2, Insightful)
Two things (Score:3, Interesting)
- Way more respect for Mr. Otellini. I had assumed he got the job due to mob ties.
- Hardly the point of his talk, or the article
Oh, and: "D" sounds like it was hella boring this year.An Hour? (Score:3, Funny)
A Widening Rift? (Score:3, Insightful)
The year is 2005. The name of the place:Babylon-X (Score:3, Funny)
Only one commercial operating system has ever survived battle with a Windows botnet fleet. It is behind my firewall. Yours is in front of my firewall. If you want to fix it tomorrow, buy something else.
- Ambassador d'Ellen, of the Macintosh Federation.
(Like, it was a really really good Federation.)
Let's play the telephone game! (Score:5, Insightful)
Intel Guy: "Yes, yes."
Reporter: "If I want to solve the virus problem tomorrow, should I buy Apple?"
Intel Guy: "If you want to solve it tomorrow, you should buy something else."
Reporter: "Headline: Intel says to buy Apple!"
Intel Guy: "Uh. What part of 'buy something else' did you not understand?"
Slashdot guy: "Why RTFM? Making fun of the summary vs. the headline is more fun."
Re:Let's play the telephone game! (Score:3, Funny)
Bill Gates: "Hell no!"
Headline: Bill Gates Denies Allegation: Apple Makes Superior Product.
Good call, 'coz... (Score:3, Funny)
What part of the story did you not understand? (Score:4, Insightful)
Big story: Two big Wintel people are fed up with M$ shit. Mossberg, a big Wintel fan, got Otellini to whine about his daughter's infested Wintel box that eats all of his weekend time. That Mossberg would even go there means the M$ world is screwed. That Otellini would say anything approaching don't buy a Wintel box means the M$ world is screwed. Those of us outside the M$ world have a tendency to forget how bad it is. Unfortunately, Windoze is so common that it's hard to avoid but so screwed up that the rare use always sucks and what you hear is always bad. Face it, what you are hearing is people who loved M$ who now hate it because it simply blows.
Colour Me Cynical (Score:2, Interesting)
Wow.. (Score:2)
Interested that he should say this, especially with Apple/Intel cooperation rumors surfacing recently. Anyone care to speculate ? (we all know the mac rumor sites are going to be jumping up and down on this one)
My Experience - Current.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Three Things To Rule Them All (Score:3, Insightful)
1. Have them buy Apple computers (hint, OS X is BSD). Whenever they ask, just say "What do you think you should do?" They will say "X." You say "Try it" X works. No more calls!
2. Rip out any IE or other browsers and replace them with either Firefox or Opera. If Opera, set it up for them once.
3. Download and make them use spyware and show them what they shouldn't do.
4. Walk away and enjoy a quiet known only to those who have ditched Wintel
Forget the Intel/Mac comment in the article.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Sun's decision to make peace with Microsoft Corp. more than a year ago gave Mr. McNealy's company some $2 billion in cash...
*snip*
Mr. McNealy compared Sun's agreement with Microsoft to a pair of boxers who shake hands by tapping gloves and "promise not to bite each other's ears off." But he got in at least a nip, telling the audience that while Sun does run Windows to ensure interoperability, employees who aren't in engineering aren't allowed "to connect Windows to our network for security and viruses reasons.
Dumb Intel head! (Score:3, Funny)
Maybe MS will spend their money on fighting malwar (Score:5, Insightful)
If MS could sick their policy people on making it fucking illegal to be a company that profits from secretly installing shit on people's computers then maybe they wouldn't have me and so many others saying " my next PC will be a mac, no question".
because it's true, my next pc will be a mac, no question.
The fact that the RIAA can get a 12 year old locked up for downloading 3 megs of a nelly song, and yet cool web search is legally allowed to fuck up every computer on the internet is sickening. And if MS wants to stay in business they have two choices.
1) hire cool web search programmers to infect the OSX
2) take a page out of the RIAA book and purchase some congressscritters and make this spyware/malware shit illegal as fuck. then find and prosecute the perps.
Something has to be done, even if that something means buying a mac (and enjoying computing once again).
Re:Maybe MS will spend their money on fighting mal (Score:3, Funny)
big mistake for intel (Score:4, Insightful)
they are directly and inextricibly tied to a single entity -- microsoft. The vast majority of intel's business depends entirely upon Microsoft.
This is a big no-no in the business world, especially since Intel has very little control over microsoft -- Microsoft could theorietically begin to endorse IBM's PowerPC, orchestrate an (illegal) deal with Dell and HP, and silently make the switch by bundling a version of Windows that runs on PPC, but maintains full backward compatibility with x86.
As it currently stands, intel has no freedom. Their fate is doomed to be the same as Microsoft unless they somehow diversify. Granted, as time has shown us by SGI and Sun, diversification is not always a good thing, but for a company the size of intel, having all of its eggs in one basket surely cannot be a good thing. AMD has proved this, as much of its business lies outisde of desktop processors -- it's embedded device and flash memory segments do very well. Granted, intel also produces other products, but has definitely endorsed a policy of the consolidation of their products.
Diversification has worked beautifully for companies like IBM and GE. 10 years ago, I do not think that IBM would have been able to dump its PC business without significantly damaging themselves.
On a similar beat, it is interesting to note diversification in other fields. From an operational standpoint, General Motors is not a car company (that divison loses money). It is a bank. Their financial arm (GMAC) produces far more revenue than the car-making portion. If we invented cheap, effective teleportation, thus eliminating the need for automobiles, GM wouldn't be hurt too badly.
Re:big mistake for intel (Score:5, Insightful)
1) 99% of today's software runs on x86. Nobody wants to dump all of their software and migrate to a new ISA. Why else would CPU manufacturers continue to support legacy x86 even at the cost of up to 10% of their area and power budget just to decode x86 CISC instructions to RISC u-ops
2) There is an enormous business infrastructure built around this. It would all but KILL microsoft's reputation in the business world
3) The vast majority of Microsoft's revenue is on x86 software. It would be suicide for them to "theoretically begin to endorse" a new PC architecture that a) does not have the capacity and credibility to supply the world with enough PCs (ever wondered why Dell doesn't source from AMD???), b) does not have enough software to satisfy the demand, c) doesn't even have an owner stepping up to the plate (didn't IBM just sell off its PC business to Lenovo), d) can't provide the lowest prices
4) Nature abhores a vacuum. Any number of software vendors would love to get a crack at the x86 market that Microsoft vacated. Again, this would be suicide for Microsoft.
5) Intel has plenty of internal software, drivers, development tools, etc, not to mention an absolutely enormous amount of open-source win32 software and linux software
6) Every consumer service provider and hardware vendor in the world supports WIN32 on x86. Microsoft would be starting a platform from scratch that nobody would buy because the market does not sell anything for it: a) IO devices, b) broadband/VoIP/VPN, c) all the software and games they are used to
7) Even IBM would be a fool to think they could survive without x86 platforms to install their software and services onto
8) Not to mention that what you are saying is far from original -- the market has been saying for YEARS and YEARS that Intel is doomed due to a narrow focus. And yet just last quarter, Intel reported record revenue and profit. Their stock is taking off as investors expect great future growth. More than ever before, even more than during the dot.com hayday. The continue to beat down AMD to lower market share. They have pommelled TMTA and Via into oblivion. Please tell me how lack of diversity has been hurting them. Their margins are still in the 60% range, they went through the entire dot-bomb without posting a single quarterly loss (unlike ANY other large tech company I can think of), they are the first to 30cm wafer production, first to 65nm geometry in volume
9) And they do diversify. They have revolutionized the laptop platform, all but taken over the high-performance (i.e. high-margin) PDA and portable computing marketplace. They are a market leader in NOR flash (again beating out AMD to the point where they must sell their flash devision, not the same definition of "do very well" you must be thinking of). http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20 050302net_a.htm [intel.com]
http://news.com.com/AMD+expects+flash+memory+to+hu rt+revenue/2100-1006_3-5521587.html [com.com]
They are pushing WiMAX to the market as a viable competitor to both cellular technology and cable/dsl broadband, and they are the first to bring wimax silicon to the market http://www.intel.com/ca/pressroom/2005/0418.htm [intel.com] They have a single-chip cellular GPRS baseband and high-performance application processor for entering the phone/PDA market. http://www.intel.com/design/pca/prodbref/252336.ht m [intel.com]
10) Time and time again, Intel has proven its marketing and execution genious, bringing to market products that are not necessarily the most academically superior, but certainly
AMD made a great presentation for WinHEC ex
Re:big mistake for intel (Score:3, Informative)
Re:big mistake for intel (Score:3, Interesting)
What possible motivation is there for Microsoft to move to a different ISA? Almost all of the world's software is written for x86. Moving to a different ISA would seriously weaken Microsoft's monopoly position because all of the tools and infrastructure (drivers, compilers, debuggers etc...) are build around x86. Microsoft would commit financial suicide if this happened not only because the ISVs would be pissed, but for another reason - There simply isn't enough capacity to supp
Intel Head Recommends Apple? (Score:3, Informative)
I do find it amazing that he didn't say "no, no, no... WinTel is the _only_ way to go". However, I would hardly call what he said as being an recommendation for Apple, Linux, Solaris or any other non MS Windows product. He basically is saying, "hey, if you don't want to deal with spyware, adware and viruses, your going to have to look at something other than MS Windows". I don't think that is telling us anything new. The whole freakin world knows that, yet the majority of the masses stick with the MS Crap(tm). Maybe Jane and Joe Six-Pack like spyware, adware and viruses?
Re:Linux.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Not everybody who wants a car also wants to learn to be a mechanic. Maybe they just want a car that's reliable transportation out of the box.
Re:More like this... (Score:5, Funny)
TWW
Re:hmmm! (Score:5, Funny)
Intel deserts M$ w/ Apple processors.
Seems fair to me.
Does that really work? (Score:4, Insightful)
But... this argument that OS X is a smaller market and therefore avoids attention has some flaws. We have viruses for cellphones and viruses for obscure routers.
You'd think that by now we'd have some of this stuff for OSX. Also, by definition most mac users have more money to throw around thatn PC users (costs more). You'd think that people with a higher income would be like a juicy arm that the mosquito-like asses who write virii and spyware would swoop to.
There has to be some other X factor that's sheltered them this long. I suspect that it's much harder to get your spyware onto the machine. Apple bundles about 90% of what everyone wants, and the other 10% is well-established stuff. Also, Apple makes it easy to make lots of things. For example, screensavers that pan across pictures (a major source of spyware in the windows world, free screensaver!) are easy to customize and make on OS X.
Market share theory is bunk (Score:4, Insightful)
The fact that Windows is attacked (and exploited) does not mean that it is as secure as Linux or Mac because they are not attacked. What it does prove is that Windows is insecure. It says nothing about Linux or Mac security and people who speculate about Linux or Mac exploits if these systems had a higher market share are just that, speculating. The Windows exploits do prove that Windows is insecure however.
As you note, cell phones have viruses so it's not like virus writers are'nt interested in trying new things. Your other insights are dead on as well.
Kind Regards
Re:Intel head is idiot (Score:4, Funny)
( ) technical (x) social ( ) moral
comment about computer security. This comment is incorrect. Here's why it's incorrect:
( ) You have no idea how system security works
(x) You assume that popularity is inversely proportional to security
( ) You make improper use of technical language
(x) You assume that part of the problem is the entire problem
(x) You fail to account for different security models.
Specifically, your comment fails to consider that:
( ) Security flaws can be exploited in an automated manner
(x) Not all bugs are security flaws
( ) Security flaws can be exploited manually
( ) Legions of script kiddies use point-and-drool tools
( ) Dedicated black-hats can cause damage using home-designed tools
(x) Privilege separation prevents many problems
( ) Some security flaws are strictly theoretical
(x) Different systems are inherently more or less vulnerable to exploits
( ) Security flaws can be independently discovered
( ) Security flaw discovery and exploit does not require source code
(x) Not all security flaws are of the same severity
(x) Running as root is almost always a problem, no matter the system
( ) Not all viruses are transmitted by e-mail
( ) Not all viruses are self-propagating
( ) Not all security flaws are buffer overruns
( ) Stupid people do stupid things
and the following general objections may also apply:
( ) Full disclosure completely informs affected system administrators
( ) Exploit code has legitimate uses
(x) Security is by design, not accident
( ) Security isn't magic, and thinking of it that way is harmful
( ) Hackers/crackers aren't evil magicians who can get around anything
( ) Security starts with the user
( ) Why should we trust the government?
( ) Why should we trust you?
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
(x) Nice idea, but it's been said before and that doesn't make it any more true.
( ) That's an incredibly stupid idea, and you're stupid for suggesting it.
( ) You're a moron, and I'm surprised you have enough brain cells to continue breathing.
Who remembers GOOD TIMES? (Score:3, Insightful)
Until about 1997 there was a pretty even playing field for viruses and malware. Yes, you got them more on Windows, but pretty much the only real propogation mechanisms were social engineering attacks in email and dropping infected files on LAN shares. If you didn't run attachments you were pretty safe