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Bose's iPod SoundDock Reviewed

Posted by timothy on Wed Nov 03, 2004 07:09 PM
from the so-your-pony-can-only-do-one-trick dept.
LabRat007 writes "Playlist has a review of the Bose SoundDock, the desktop speaker system for the iPod that Bose has lately been promoting the holy hell out of. The long and the short is that it sounds great--better than any other iPod-specific speaker system--but for $300 is lacking in many features even cheaper setups have, like the ability to actually use the SoundDock as a syncing dock. Oh, and it has no line-in, so you can't use the SoundDock as output for anything else, like a PC or laptop, for instance." It's not quite as cute, but I like my Cambridge Soundworks Model 88 (now superseded by the Model 730) as a laptop loudspeaker system.
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  • by Mononoke (88668) on Wednesday November 03 2004, @07:23PM (#10717549) Homepage Journal
    Bose is an acronym for Buy Other Sound Equipment.

    Most of what you are paying for when buying Bose is the marketing.

    Not quite as bad as Monster Cable, but close.

    • So, what does the professional audio world recommend or rather what is the predominate brand?
      • by Anonymous Coward
        Well, pro audio is about the "maker" side (as opposed to the "user" side), which creates equipment that allows you to judge whether a recording "translates" well to a wider range of different usage scenarios, like home hifis, car stereos, radio clocks etc.
      • In home audio... (Score:5, Informative)

        by downward dog (634625) on Wednesday November 03 2004, @08:40PM (#10718333) Homepage
        (I'll answer the question for home audio, not pro audio, because Bose makes home audio equipment.) There is no predominate brand, but here are a few that are generally highly-regarded and reasonably priced: Paradigm Magnepan Martan Logan NHT And two brands that audio snobs might look down on, but actually produce a few decent speakers: Polk Infinity In particular, the Polk RTi28/RTi38 is considered one of the best low-priced speaker sets around. I think you can get a pair for $200 or so, and a center channel (for home theater) for $150. Great sound and great construction. I have run the Polk RT series for about 5 years, and I've been happy with them (though I now have the itch for something in the $1000+ range...). Hope this helps.
    • by UnknownSoldier (67820) on Wednesday November 03 2004, @07:43PM (#10717795)
      > Bose is an acronym for Buy Other Sound Equipment.
      > Most of what you are paying for when buying Bose is the marketing.

      Hehe. What's that tagline that us audiophiles use:
      "All the highs, none of the lows, must be Bose!"
      Gee, I wonder why they NEVER give tech specs on any of their speakers. Not anything fancy like SN ratio, but even the BASIC info such as frequency range! Maybe because they are CRAP and OVER_RATED speakers.
      See the speaker forum [avsforum.com]forum at avsforum [avsforum.com] if you want MULTIPLE confirmations on how bad they sound.

      Monster cable isn't THAT bad.... the rule of thumb is to spend 10% of your Home Theater / Speaker cost on cables... so MC is'n't that over-inflated. It's not great, but it's better that Rat Shack.

      BTW, if anyone is serious about GOOD video cable quality, check out the Nordost [nordost.com] line.

      Peace
      --
      While killing all the lawyers would make many people EXCEEDINGLY HAPPY (myself included)
      it would NOT _SOLVE_ the problem -- because the problem is the face in the mirror.
      If you don't like the laws, then DO something about it, or shut up,
      because simply bitching accomplishes absolutely nothing.
      • BTW, if anyone is serious about GOOD video cable quality, check out the Nordost line.

        Only if you're also serious about paying $2,000-4,000 per meter!

      • Anyone who recommends Monster cables (or any other cables) over generic wires, has ears that are far better than the ordinary person.

        I don't take exception to that but I do have a problem with super-audiophiles like yourself trying to give advice to regul
        • by dgatwood (11270) on Wednesday November 03 2004, @10:58PM (#10719350)
          Depends on what came with the speakers. I can trivially put together a system that will show a huge difference in sound between a pair of cables. Take a 10 AWG super-heavy-duty extension cord, cut the ends off and hook it up to one set of speakers. Take a puny piece of 22 AWG speaker cable (typical of some inexpensive home stereo systems with small speakers) and hook it up to an identical pair of speakers. Switch between the two. :-D

          As a general rule, for speaker cables, bigger is better. The bigger the cable, the greater the distance at which you can drive a given load without a voltage drop. Because voltage drop causes a disproportionately large drop in the lower frequencies, the smaller the cable, the thinner the sound. The difference between 10-12 AWG and 18-24 AWG is noticeable over a sufficient distance.

          Monster cable comes in at 14 AWG, which is heavier than average for a speaker cable, so I'm not surprised if someone can tell a difference between that and a smaller cable. That said, the audible difference is likely the gauge, not the construction.

          Some related reading material [trueaudio.com]....

          Frankly, if you're measuring the distortion of a speaker cable, you have way too much money and should give me some of it. :-)

        • > You guys end up telling us to spend too much money on the wrong things.

          What is the most expensive speakers or video system you have actually spent some time with??

          Once you've heard & seen a GOOD system, then you know where the priorities need to
      • Monster cable isn't THAT bad.... the rule of thumb is to spend 10% of your Home Theater / Speaker cost on cables... so MC is'n't that over-inflated. It's not great, but it's better that Rat Shack.

        Whose rule of thumb is that? So if my amp costs $2000,

    • Bose is also well-known for suing anyone who gives them a bad review. Hence, no one reviews Bose without a kickback, and any review you find that is favorable is by either a shill or an ignoramus. But that's just what I hear.
  • by jxyama (821091) on Wednesday November 03 2004, @07:40PM (#10717767)
    iPod, by design, holds a lot of compressed music...

    isn't it a bit of a waste to spend to much on a set of speakers almost in vain to reproduced already degraded music...? why not buy a simple stereo and play the original CD on it if you really needed good sound quality?

    i guess there's the convenience factor... but for $300, i'd probably just buy a very large HD, rip music in lossless formats and use Airport Express to stream those to an existing nice set of speakers?

    • It's not wasteful is you store your files in Apple Lossless, AIFF, Wav, etc. The iPod has so much capacity you could store a thousand plus of uncompressed music. Therefore, spending that much wouldn't be uncommon.
    • by SuperBanana (662181) on Thursday November 04 2004, @01:26AM (#10720428)
      isn't it a bit of a waste to spend to much on a set of speakers almost in vain to reproduced already degraded music...?

      It's a bit of a waste to spend money on Bose equipment. Usually audiophiles are stuck up pontificating snobs, but on Bose, they're right- Bose's technique is to use cheaply made speakers and EQ the hell out of them. Why make a $20 driver, when you can buy a $2 driver and for 50 cents of electronics, make it boom and squeak enough to fool a casual listener?

      Buy a set of decent headphones like Grado's SR-60s, or pick up some CSW speakers on clearance. The older brands made by Henry Kloss's companies prior to CSW are often a steal as well, though you'll need an amp of course.

    • by ballpoint (192660) on Thursday November 04 2004, @05:56AM (#10721621) Homepage
      Speakers are the weakest part, by far. The distortion imparted by even top of the line speakers simply dwarfs all the other factors in the audio chain, as long as these are of reasonable quality.

      So playing compressed music through an iPod and speakers with quality A is going to sound better than an original CD through speakers with quality B, if A > B.

      Of course, if you use a crappy amplifier, loose wires, badly compressed material etc. all bets are off.
  • For $100 (Score:5, Informative)

    by commodoresloat (172735) on Wednesday November 03 2004, @07:45PM (#10717817) Homepage
    Get yourself a set of Roland MA-8 Powered Studio Monitors. They are small and simple, with a big sound for such a small speaker. They're meant to be reference monitors so they have a nice clean sound; I haven't heard the Bose but I can almost guarantee you'll like the Rolands at least as well if not better. Only slightly less portable than the Bose. And you can plug anything into them that has an RCA-style adapter.
    • Has anyone tried any of the following:

      Roland DM-20s
      Roland DA-30s
      Event TR8s
      KRK RP5s, 6s or 8s
      Behringer B2030As

      I know the Mackie HRx24s are the "answer", but the question is do I have > $1000 to spend on a pair, or between $150-$300.

      I really am looking
      • I've heard the KRKs - don't remember which ones but they were about $400 for the pair - and they were great. I recommend the ones I use, the M-Audio BX5 which are $300 a pair. Not mobile and light like the MA-8s but for your price range they have terrifi
  • JBL OnStage (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 03 2004, @08:09PM (#10718028)
    I stopped by the Mac store to buy the Altec Lansing inMotion speakers after reading a good review of them. They had the the JBL OnStage and it has better bass and nicer controls. The donut shape seems to fill a room better than the flat inMotion speakers. It synchs and charges newer iPods and will accept output from a headphone jack. I'd rate it higher than my Harman Kardon soundsticks and it takes up way less room.
    • I stopped by the Mac store to buy the Altec Lansing inMotion speakers after reading a good review of them. They had the the JBL OnStage and it has better bass and nicer controls. The donut shape seems to fill a room better than the flat inMotion speakers.
  • Looks familiar (Score:3, Informative)

    by the quick brown fox (681969) on Wednesday November 03 2004, @08:19PM (#10718145)
    Looks like it's--let's say "inspired by"--the Bang & Olufsen BeoSound 1 [bang-olufsen.com], which is itself no paragon of hifi value.
  • Cambridge Bose (Score:3, Informative)

    by mjc_w (192427) on Wednesday November 03 2004, @08:24PM (#10718184)
    Cambridge also has a model 740

    (http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/store/catego ry .cgi?category=aud_radio&item=c174rczzz)

    for $300 that has a cd player that can also play mp3 cds.
  • by vijayiyer (728590) on Wednesday November 03 2004, @09:57PM (#10718961)
    For #300, you could buy an apple dock, some used entry level B&W speakers, and an amp. And it would sound good. Bose thrives on marketing and a catchy tagline, but inevitably their products underperform and are overpriced.
    • Bose thrives on marketing and a catchy tagline, but inevitably their products underperform and are overpriced.

      Actually, when it comes to this particular product, I think Bose is relying on something pretty specific (though you might still call it "marketi

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2004, @02:06AM (#10720656)
    as always, ipodlounge's review debunks the bose myth. http://www.ipodlounge.com/reviews.php?id=P5445 [ipodlounge.com]