Rendezvous Renamed to OpenTalk 280
Gogo Dodo writes "Back in August, Slashdot covered Tibco suing Apple over the Rendezvous trademark.
AppleInsider now reports that the lawsuit has been settled and Rendezvous' new name will be OpenTalk." Meanwhile Zeroconf sits in the corner and cries.
More lawsuits to come (Score:5, Informative)
Link here [infoworld.com].
Looks like fun and games ahead for Apples lawyers.
Re:More lawsuits to come (Score:4, Funny)
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(otherwise it wouldn't make it through corp firewalls)
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This woul
Re:More lawsuits to come (Score:2)
In the movie, I, Robot, updates are delivered automatically to the newest series of robots via connection to US Robotics.
Re:More lawsuits to come (Score:3, Funny)
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The 376 claim patent [uspto.gov] emphasizes its utility in "pushing" new content to a subscriber of a electronic magazine. A relic of the dot-com boom, perhaps?
6,557,054 was granted on April 29, 2003, from a April 20, 2000 filing, but some of the claims were based on applications filed as early as Apr. 29, 1996, and over the course of those years, it's brought in several dot-com fads.
Let me get this straight: (Score:5, Funny)
Okay, this time I mean it: No more product-based body modification.
Re:Let me get this straight: (Score:2, Funny)
Does "phoenix" ring a bell?
Re:Let me get this straight: (Score:3, Funny)
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In Other News... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:In Other News... (Score:5, Informative)
TIBCO has had a patented networking protocol called Rendezvous for years that is the core of their whole business. It runs a few small systems you may have heard of like, oh, NASDAQ.
It's not too hard to see why they might be upset at another company coming out and promoting a completely different and unrelated networking protocol with the same name.
Re:In Other News... (Score:4, Insightful)
To be honest, anybody who is genuinely in the market for TIBCO's Rendezvous is not going to confuse it with Apple's Rendezvous.
Think of Apple Rendezvous as a 4-door luxury sedan and TIBCO Rendezvous as a 150 ton mining truck. Yeah, they're both vehicles with four wheels, but you'd have to be an idiot to confuse the two, even if they share the same name. What's more, it's the mining truck company doing the suing--is it really plausible that customers for such a specialized product are going to confuse the heavy-duty industrial solution with the Joe Everyman one?
now (Score:5, Funny)
Bad Choice (Score:5, Funny)
I can hear the IT folks gripping.
Re:Bad Choice (Score:5, Informative)
OpenTalk is the perfect name.
And, FWIW, AppleTalk only has a bad name because the first version (Phase I) had a problem where it would get too chatty. This was fixed in Phase II which was released shortly after Phase II and has been available for over 10 years now. But people's opinion of AppleTalk was already ruined so it basically never recovered.
PS. A recent problem with AppleTalk is that the new Macs that could boot Mac OS 9 are way too fast for common routers. For instance, if the spanning tree protocol is turned on, it is possible for a mac to send a request about AppleTalk and finish booting before it got an answer. This was the origin of the message "Your AppleTalk network is now available" at bootup on a lot of macs.
Re:Bad Choice (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Bad Choice (Score:4, Informative)
AppleTalk is nice for LANs. I use it myself (or more precisely the AppleTalk Filing Protocol, which has run primarily over IP since, I don't know, around '98 or so), even on OS X, because it's still more smoothly integrated into the system than anything else, but Apple (wisely, I think) made a herculean but partially failed effort to get rid of it simply because there was no need for it anymore with TCP/IP taking over everything. What ZeroConf/Rendezvous/OpenTalk is doing is bringing the last important piece of AppleTalk functionality -- the ability to announce services -- available to the TCP/IP world.
Now between BootP/DHCP and OpenTalk, there is no further need for AppleTalk except on legacy networks.
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AppleTalk as a living protocol suite is pretty much dead, and will be used in legacy environments only. As a name, it was dead even before OS X, when they came out with new streams based code for MacOS 9 which included AppleTalk and TCP/IP (so long to the hack that was MacTCP) and called it OpenTransport. Though it supported things other than AppleTalk, when it came out, it was such a breakthrough, there was an effort to brand all of networking OpenTransport and depreca
Re:Bad Choice (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, well it's hard for us to find girls.
Slashdot has been taken over by Apple! (Score:4, Funny)
OpenTalk? (Score:4, Interesting)
LocalTalk, OpenTalk, PowerTalk, AppleTalk, MacinTalk, KanjiTalk, ZhongWenTalk, etc. etc.
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:2)
We bought a card once for a box that went to a client site circa '98. I remember it being pretty expensive, but most Token Ring stuff was.
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:2)
I saw a list of Apple trademarks once, most of which had never been used.
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:2)
Nice one, m8.
terrible name... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:terrible name... (Score:2)
Re:terrible name... (Score:2)
Great! No one would get that confused with iChat!
Taco... (Score:2, Informative)
Taco, if you're ignorant, then don't bother adding your comments.
OpenTalk/Rendezvous IS ZeroConf!! OpenTalk/Rendezvous are just the names given to Apple's implementation of ZeroConf.
Just like:
* 801.11b/g was named AirPort
* 30" LCD display was names "cinema display"
* CIFS implementation is known as Samba
* IEEE1394 is known as Firewire
Zeroconf is known as OpenTalk/Rendezvous!
Is that clear now ?
Re:Taco... (Score:5, Informative)
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In these 2, the common name was first.
branding (Score:4, Interesting)
Now that Apple's got a pretty good speech-recognition and text-to-speech engine, all the networking talks have to compete with the real talking for cute marketing terminology, such as "PlainTalk."
Re:branding (Score:4, Interesting)
Confusing? (Score:5, Insightful)
Rendezvous' new name will be OpenTalk
doesn't really help
Re:Confusing? (Score:5, Funny)
All clear?
Re:Confusing? (Score:2)
Re:Confusing? (Score:2)
Can they rename to FireBirdFoxCaminoTalk? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Can they rename to FireBirdFoxCaminoTalk? (Score:2)
Everyting is trademarked. (Score:2)
/greger
rendezvous with what? (Score:2, Interesting)
Or more simply, the English word rendezvous.
http://dictionary.reference.com/sear
can they realy do that?
I know, it's like the old Windows vs windows (and no, I won't mention french windows) but think about it.
To highlight the product similarities (Score:5, Informative)
Tibco's Rendezvous can be used to the do same task as Apple's Rendezvous, i.e. dynamic configuration. They both use multicast and don't require server endpoint configurations like addresses, etc. However Tibco's Rendezvous can also do generic, certified, and transactional messaging and hence Apple's product description does harm by implying Tibco's software has less capabilities, i.e. inferior, to what it really is.
To update the trademark links, Tibco [tibco.com] was formally Teknekron [archive.org]:
Re:To highlight the product similarities (Score:2)
When Teknekron became Tibco, the lawyers never transferred the trademark. Yeah, really stupid. Amazingly so.
It wasn't until they went to get their dander up towards Apple that anybody realized that, whoops, they didn't actually own the name any more.
Looks like a case of legal incompetence, coupled with not perfect corporate research, led to a situation where legally Apple had claim, but Tibco had a use claim. I suspect both parties declared no harm no foul. Apple w
At least they did not try... (Score:3, Funny)
Take That, Frenchies! (Score:4, Funny)
Shrewd marketing. Rendezvous always sounded kinda French to me.
Everybody knows us Amurricans in the red states don't like nothin' French. Suddenly I feel like goin' out and buyin' me a big bunch o' Apples!
Doesn't Apple . . (Score:3, Insightful)
What about OpenTransport? (Score:2)
Re:What about OpenTransport? (Score:3, Informative)
Any OpenTalk/ZeroConf servers for *NIX? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Any OpenTalk/ZeroConf servers for *NIX? (Score:5, Informative)
For something like a printer, your best bet would be a Rendezvous proxy service that runs on machine X and advertises a printer service on printer Y. It requires configuration on your part, but only once for each device or service you want to proxy. I believe the source for a POSIX proxy responder is included in the Apple source tree as well.
Re:Any OpenTalk/ZeroConf servers for *NIX? (Score:2)
Another 'Talk? Apple sure does a lot of 'Talking (Score:2)
LocalTalk,
A ppleTalk,n jiTalk, ... HyperTalk!
OpenTalk,
EtherTalk,
PowerTalk,
MovieTalk,
PlainTalk,
MacinTalk,
Ka
TokenTalk,
and lest we forget
How about a Talk to unite all 'Talks?
Stop stealing Generic names (Score:4, Insightful)
It does not get any better stealing from foreigners in this case the French.
How wouild you all feel if a French company decided to Trademark Meeting it's laughable.
Sorry. I trademarked "generic". I'm suing you. (Score:2)
Well... it does a little. :-)
How wouild you all feel if a French company decided to Trademark Meeting it's laughable.
Why, I'd nuke them into guacamole, of course. :-)
My business strategey..... (Score:3, Interesting)
Ok.. Let's get started, OpenAardvark(tm)(R), GAardvark(tm)(R), e-Aardvark(tm)(R), FreeAardvark (tm)(R), KAardvark (tm)(R), iAardvark(tm)(R).....
Re:My business strategey..... (Score:2)
It costs money to register trademarks. Then there's the issue of multiple territories and trademark protection only applying where you've registered. The killer though is if you don't use a trademark you loose it.
Damn - sorry - sense of humour bypass kicked in! Probably because some bright spark modded you as "Interesting" rather than "Funny".
They're running out of combinations... (Score:3, Funny)
What's in a name? (Score:2)
Oh, I'm being mean again. I'm sorry.
Thank God!!! (Score:2)
Whew. (Score:2)
But OpenTalk... now THAT's easy! Way more Apple-like.
Kraftwerk (Score:2)
Leave Paris in the morning on T.E.E.
The Answer is 'YES' (Score:2)
I finally learned how to spell it (Score:3, Funny)
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:3, Insightful)
Since when has Open* meant something was open source? Ever use OpenWindows? Adding Open in front of everything trying to indicate it's free software is a relatively new manifestation. I doubt the FSF cares since they prefer to use the term free.
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:2)
Source Downloads [apple.com]
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe the FSF or someone in that league should try to trademark Open* names and reserve them for Open programs?
You idiot, Rendezvous is open [apple.com]But then again, I don't expect somone with a UID as high as 761208 to know that...
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:3, Funny)
What were you guys doing when Slashdot started taking accounts, reading Byte?
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:4, Insightful)
Under USPTO regulations, I do not believe that you are allowed to "reserve" trademark names. I believe that you can only trademark names that you are actually using in active commerce or that you are actively preparing to launch in commerce. This is probably a good thing, because otherwise it would be like the situation with domain names -- people registering hundreds or thousands of names that they have no intention of ever using on the hope that they will pre-empt somone else's usage, and then extort a payoff.
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:2, Informative)
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/rend
- proton
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:2)
Note that "Open" doesn't imply "Open Source". I'd say it would be a reasonable name if the "OpenTalk" protocols are published and freely available to third parties (I have no idea if Apple is planning this or not).
If so, that c
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:2)
As you pointed out, this would be too vague to be an effective trademark, and so I'm concluding that the term is not immune to abuse or misunderstanding, which were the stated reasons for its coinage and use.
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:3, Informative)
Beyond that, Apple's source code for their mDNSResponder (the core of Rendezvous/OpenTalk) has been available under the APSL since it debuted in jaguar, and therefore is open source.
So I'd say OpenTalk is a reasonable name to use (espescially in comparison with AppleTalk which did the same thing in an apple only sort of way).
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:5, Funny)
<sarcasm>Yes, deliberately using the term "open" to describe an open standard based on an open source project is just so sneaky and underhanded...</>
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:2)
http://www.zeroconf.org
http://zeroconf.source
Re:OpenTalk? (Score:3, Informative)
APSL, which is like "GPL for everyone but Apple".
the Rendevous program itself does not appear to be Free Software from what I found on the web site
Which web site? this one? [apple.com]
Slashdot to be renamed AppleDot? (Score:2, Funny)
'New for quasi-intellectual, artistic elitists. Stuff that splatters.'
No. But seriously, has this place become all Apple, all the time?
The reality of the situation (Score:4, Interesting)
For example last night, I picked up an Airport Express. From unpacking to hearing streaming music on my stereo, less than 5 minutes.
Is WiFi new? No.
Is streaming music new? No.
But Apple has taken the same basic building blocks everyone else has to play with and made something innovative.
The iPod is the same story.
Re:Slashdot to be renamed AppleDot? (Score:2)
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Re:Apple Apple Apple ... Orange? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Apple Apple Apple ... Orange? (Score:5, Funny)
What? _Apple_ is changing their name, not the company.
I've heard of not reading the article (RTFA), but rarely seen someone who didn't even read the summary.
Re:Apple Apple Apple ... Orange? (Score:2)
All together now... (Score:2)
You're new here, aren't you?
Re:Fianlly - a name that makes sense (Score:2)
Re:Fianlly - a name that makes sense (Score:2)
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Re:Fianlly - a name that makes sense (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Fianlly - a name that makes sense (Score:2)
This is a good example of Marketing where none is really required.
Did it ever hurt Microsoft that their equivalant protocol has the ungodly name of "NetBIOS-over-TCP/IP"? No, because people know they can get an MSCE to pull some cable and, voila, they've got a network.
Re:Fianlly - a name that makes sense (Score:3, Insightful)
1 A meeting at a prearranged time and place. See Synonyms at engagement.
2 A prearranged meeting place, especially an assembly point for troops or ships.
3 A popular gathering place: The café is a favorite rendezvous for artists.
4 Aerospace. The process of bringing two spacecraft together.
All have something to do with getting together ("connecting") in a certain geographic proximity. Since people on the same subnet (where Rendezvous wo
Cool stuff deserves good coverage. (Score:2)
Re:Slashdot: News For Apple, Stuff For Apple (Score:2)
Or two. Or just upgrade their Mac and span it across 5-6 years (assuming it's a desktop).