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Mac OS X "Tiger" Server Previewed 355
It also adds a Jabber server that provides the option of serving iChat. SSL/TLS and Kerberos can be added for security. A single Tiger iChat client can have chats running on multiple servers, so a user can be on the main iChat server, while having private chats on a company server. Because it is Jabber, non-iChat (and non-AIM) clients can participate too.
Tiger Server also works to make network setup even easier with Internet Gateway Setup Assistant. In Panther Server, setting up a network with DNS, DHCP, NAT, firewall, and port mapping was easier than most other platforms, but still required a good deal of manual configuration, and separate configuration of each service. The Setup Assistant will provide single-button setup of it all.
A Software Update Server can cache and control Apple software updates. So once you're satisfied that the new OS update won't delete home folders, you can OK it for your users to download; and they won't take up your Internet bandwidth, because the server cached it.
Mobile Home Directories allows a mobile user to sync his home directory with a central server, backing it up and allowing an admin to manage it.
A new Windows migration tool will allow Windows admins to migrate from Windows-based servers. Tiger Server can act as a Primary Domain Controller for a Windows network, and the tool will migrate user and group account from an existing Windows PDC into Open Directory 2 and Samba 3.
Tiger Server will retain the pricing structure of the previous versions: $500 for the 10-client edition and $1000 for the unlimited client edition (the number of clients referring only to simultaneous file sharing clients).
Jabber (Score:5, Interesting)
But one question I have is this: What market is currently being targetted by the OS X Servers? I see some posts on all the general email lists I am on (PostgreSQL anyway), but not too many, leading me to conclude it is a niche market. Any thoughts?
Re:Jabber (Score:5, Interesting)
Life sciences, for one. Apple has always had a stronghold in that area (at least academics) and I know of several companies that are selling server based products which initially ran on Linux or a unix variant that are now running on OS X.
Market: Academics, education (Score:5, Informative)
Macs seem to be quite popular among the quantum computing community. Ray Laflamme's group (U. of Waterloo and Perimeter Institute) uses them (although maybe they don't have an Xserve), and about 40% of the laptops at a recent quantum information conference I was at were PowerBooks.
Re:Market: Academics, education (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Jabber (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Jabber (Score:5, Informative)
Someone else mentioned life sciences. They also seek the K-12 Academic markets where it's hard to employ a full time network admin to set up Active Directory, Exchange Server, etc. The same applies for small businesses, those who are likely to prefer the idea of one server does all (or most) of the services they need, especially email and file sharing. Another big market (almost the cliche Apple niche) is the creative market, from media agencies to smaller publishers to design/creative departments at larger companies. Often these organizations don't employ a full time admin, leaving that to outside companies and a designated person within the group. In the case of a creative department within a larger company, they often have a disconnect between the rest of the company (being on Macs while the rest of the company is on PC, for example) along with different needs.
leading me to conclude it is a niche market
As Apple adds more features to OS X server, they hope to please their existing niches while making it apparent to others that they can easily configure a complex server without having to rely on Microsoft. They get the stability and security associated with open source plus the ease of use from Apple.
Re:Jabber (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Jabber (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Jabber (Score:5, Interesting)
, leading me to conclude it is a niche market. Any thoughts?
I'd be kidding you if I told you it wasn't. How it's actually being used, of course, only Apple's Sales manager knows--but I can tell you the target market:
Still niche, yes: they don't run 10,000 employees with Workgroup Manager, for example. But it serves as a good fileserver when a the extra workstations just can't quite keep up, or when the workgroup uses Macs for whatever reason and needs a server to help them work better amongst themselves (without necessarily involving IT).
Re:Jabber (Score:3, Interesting)
You must be talking about old-fashioned 100BASE-T. Over Gigabit, I usually see about 40 MB/s, and I suspect that the limiting factor there might be the hard drive in our server. (We don't have a RAID attached, just an internal disk for our non-critical day-to-day work.)
Re:Jabber (Score:4, Interesting)
The zero-fuss-open-source-aware,-non-x86-crappiness, fully-unix-compliant all-top-notch-reference-grade-quality open-source-goodies-preinstalled and operational out-of-the-box-with-two-mouseclicks-maximum market.
Gues how long it takes me to have phpCMS or Typo running on Mac OS X? Or any other MySQL/PHP/Apache Webapp? Something between 30 seconds and a minute. Try that with any other Computer. Now they come with a jabber server and a java based oss blogger and a ton of other features that makes everyone who knows what these features mean drool.
I'd say the market for OS X Servers is pretty healthy and in for some steep and steady growth.
All I can say is I'm sold. If there is any project due that requires me to deliver a server, Apple is going to be the first place I'm going to look.
Re:Jabber (Score:3)
Re:Jabber (Score:5, Interesting)
I run an IT department with 4 people to service 200 users, an AS/400 based finance system, 30 ticket stations, 4 MSSQL databases, a retail store, 2 remote locations, in-house email, web services, and NT domain services. And when we aren't doing that, we are setting up a network for a traveling show that's coming in, or a for a rental.
We just bought a bunch of them to take over for our gaggle of Dell boxes that are EOL. We wanted 24 hour warm-body support. We wanted to be able to pre-buy spare parts. We wanted something off the shelf that pretty much used all the software we use today. (Postfix, MySQL, Samba.)
We will still use Gentoo on x86 for all our front-line stuff. (DNS, firewall, web serving) but we have 2 servers that have to be up, rain or shine, and stay running with a minimum of disruption for 3 years at a time. Gentoo is great, but new versions of stuff breaking our site configurations almost cost me my job on a few occasions.
Re:Jabber (Score:4, Interesting)
And it's all running on a 500 MHz Power Mac G4.
I don't know about targeting that market, but it's a great solution for that market.
Licensing (Score:5, Insightful)
To further refine this explanation, the licensing is based on the number of AFP (Apple's filesharing protocol) connections. Unlimited web, ftp, and in previous versions unlimited windows SMB connections. I haven't noticed if this changes with 10.4.
Re:Licensing tsarkon reports Solaris rules FAG. (Score:5, Funny)
Read slower and take in more content.
Every. Single. Thing. That. Sun. Is. First. To. Implement. Will. Appear. Later. On. Someone. Elses. OS. And. It. Will. Be. The. Shit. When. They. Do. It.
Being first and being better doesn't mean one God damned thing in this world. Being first to make noise with it does.
Moot point anyway. Mac and Linux will get "x" amount of applause for doing it after Sun (which gets no applause because they're Sun and this week they're your Java desktop company, next week they'll be your "delivering streaming monkey fucking apps to your PDA through your bunghole IN JAVA...plus we make Solaris company)
And then a couple of years later Windows will add it but it won't work right, be shot full of holes, and leave a steaming turd in your mouth right before it reboots (courtesy of the NAMBLA.SteamingTrd.Trojan virus) and they'll still be lined up 2,000 deep to buy it because they read about it in "Windows Dominator Weekly" magazine which they get sent free of charge and their boss thinks is where you learn this shit when you're not in MCSE classes.
It just doesn't matter Solarisman. It JUST DOESN'T MATTER.
You'd think a fucking Solaris fluffer would know better than to debate the futility of being better in Windows world with a Mac user wouldn't you. Well, you'd be wrong.
Namig Convention (Score:5, Interesting)
Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, etc
How many felines are left? Even including "cat" and others, they are bound to run out, aren't they?
Maybe for OS 11 (OS X1?) they will start doing canines or something... Wolf, Coyote, Bear?
Re:Namig Convention (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Namig Convention (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Namig Convention (Score:2, Interesting)
So we have, Lynx, Caracal, Serval, Ocelot, Leopard, Lion, Bobcat left from a quick look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felidae
Re:Namig Convention (Score:5, Funny)
How do you titillate an ocelot?
You oscillate it's tit alot!
Re:Namig Convention (Score:3, Informative)
Cat
Ocelot
Bobcat
Lynx
Puma
Cougar
Leopar
Lion
That ought to do for a few more years.
Re:Namig Convention (Score:3, Informative)
Lynx
Puma
Cougar
Ummmm, they've already used that one. It was 10.1
Re:Namig Convention (Score:2)
I dunno...to me the name "cat" just isn't awe inspiring. I mean, could you seriously take an OS seriously if it's codename was "cat"?
Yes, and speed up your OS X experience with Meow-Mix software!
Re:Namig Convention (Score:5, Funny)
How many felines are left? Even including "cat" and others, they are bound to run out, aren't they?
Maybe for OS 11 (OS X1?) they will start doing canines or something... Wolf, Coyote, Bear?
They'll probably just pick up a copy of O'Reilly's "Animal Naming Conventions".
Re:Namig Convention (Score:5, Funny)
That's an excellent idea. After, all, O'Reilly really knows its cats.
Building Cocoa Applications has a Mastiff
Cocoa IAN has a Irish Setter.
Inside
Learning Carbon has bloodhounds
Unix for MacOSX Panther has an Alaskan Malamute.
MacOSX for Unix Geeks has a hyena.
and MacOSX Unwired has a
Hey wait a a minute!
Re:Namig Convention (Score:2)
Re:Namig Convention (Score:2)
Re:Namig Convention (Score:2)
How about using birds?
Duck, duck, duck... goose!
Re:Namig Convention (Score:2)
How many felines are left? Even including "cat" and others, they are bound to run out, aren't they?
Personally, I'm waiting for the Ocelot release before I upgrade again.
Re:Namig Convention (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Namig Convention (Score:2, Informative)
Not the same. (Score:3, Informative)
As much as I'd love to jump on the "dupe" bandwagon, the previous slashdot article did not mention these Tiger 'server' updates (comments notwithstanding.)
Thanks for the update.
Important part of any Windows migration (Score:3, Informative)
There's a company that claims to be able to migrate Exchange to Linux or an OS X server in few easy clicks. [das.com.tw] However they don't seem to want my business since they won't respond on their own forums and emails to every address of theirs I could find remain unanswered after a month.
Re:Important part of any Windows migration (Score:5, Insightful)
Active Directory (Score:5, Informative)
Does the author mean a NT4 style PDC or an Active Directory Domain Controller? My guess is NT4 PDC. However, if it is a Windows 2003 Native Mode compatible Domain Controller/Global Catalog, WOW! If it is NT4 PDC, yawn. Not too many folks are running those in the Enterprise, however, I do see the benefit of creating a migration path from Windows to Mac for old, small NT4 networks.
Re:Active Directory (Score:3, Informative)
Samba 3 IS capable of doing it, but it is a massive pain in the ass and is rather complicated.
If anyone can make it quick and easy, it's Apple...
Re:Active Directory (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Active Directory (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Active Directory (Score:5, Informative)
I'm not sure of the distinction--I'm a Mac guy, not allowed to admin Windows Servers--but you might find answers in the pages and docs on Windows services in Apple's pages on Panther Server [apple.com], or on a discussion [afp548.com] of setting up the Windows Services in X Server 10.2-3.
Areas I hope are improved (Score:5, Interesting)
VPN setup. This one needs some serious help. I (and a lot of other people on Apple's OS X Server Discussion Board) have had a great deal of difficulty getting PPTP working in Panther Server. I also managed to stump Apple's Premium support with a problem with L2TP. Still waiting to hear back, more than a week later.
Firewall setup. The Panther Server GUI interface for setting up firewalls is somewhat broken. Server Admin times out on trying to load mildly complicated rule-sets (say, a group of twelve IP ranges with 15 ports open). The default configuration doesn't make use of ipfw's stateful capabilities, and doesn't block UDP packets. They could really have a better interface and a better default ruleset, or at least an option to set up some stateful rules via the GUI. The setup they have for XML editing of the GUI's port list is cool, though, as is the ipfw.conf setup.
Windows Services / SAMBA. SAMBA still has some bugs and issues which make it annoying to use as a replacement for a Windows-based PDC. Apple should help out the open source community here. In particular, find a good solution to the problem where visible
Open Directory. Fix the bugs in Open Directory or Workgroup Manager that prevent entry of "City" (and certain other attributes) in user LDAP records. Set up a better means of storing contact information in the LDAP directory, and document how to configure Mac OS X clients to access it via Address Book.
Backup Solution. There are lots of third-party backup solutions out there for backing up an OS X Server, but none I completely trust to do a bare-metal restore and give me a bootable system. Carbon Copy Cloner? Had issues with it when backing up an iBook via Firewire, so I don't trust it. Rsync? Doesn't handle resource forks. RsyncX? Slower than rsync (too slow for network backup). This would probably be pretty simple for Apple to implement and integrate into Server Admin.
All in all, Panther Server is pretty good, and Tiger Server looks even better. I just hope Apple fixes these things so others are spared the trouble I went through.
Re:Areas I hope are improved (Score:5, Interesting)
I've seen the same thing with CCC and FireWire drives, where eventually the process times out and you have to force-quit CCC and start over. I have found that there is a workaround of sorts that generally prevents this from happening:
This usually works on my drives. My theory is that something in either CCC or Apple's FireWire implementation is screwy and it causes ditto (the unix tool that forms the basis of CCC) to flip out.
Re:Areas I hope are improved (Score:5, Funny)
Just kidding, just kidding...!
Re:Areas I hope are improved (Score:3, Informative)
I've seen the same thing with CCC and FireWire drives, where eventually the process times out and you have to force-quit CCC and start over.
The issue is with the FW drive--the firmware on some works better thatn the firmware on others. For some reason.
Thread for details [bombich.com]
Re:Areas I hope are improved (Score:3, Insightful)
The BIG problem with CCC is the condition in which it leaves the directory structure. I made it a policy to run DiskWarrior on every system I resto
Re:Areas I hope are improved (Score:3, Interesting)
The 60G Toshiba failed in my 12" PB last week, a perfect test of my SuperDuper based backups. I booted off the external backup with no problem once my PB was returned and just backed up, in the other direction. Two hours and a reboot later, it's like nothing happened.
I've been pleased with SuperDuper [shirt-pocket.com] since the start, and now that it's passed a big test I'm even more so.
Just mentioning because it wasn't in your li
Re:Areas I hope are improved (Score:5, Informative)
Where`s the `keynote` (quicktime format!)? (Score:2)
Re:Where`s the `keynote` (quicktime format!)? (Score:2)
Nothing interesting there unless you plan on attending, really.
Re:Where`s the `keynote` (quicktime format!)? (Score:2)
Re:Where`s the `keynote` (quicktime format!)? (Score:2)
if they have 'money' problems that they can't continue to do the 'freebe'-keynote thing, I could consive to pay for the 'transport' (at the same amount/level, like 'that comdex'-thing, zdnet charges one for (on a per 'feed' price) ....) ... but at the prices I've *just* seen in the ADC-members page, *FUCK THAT*...all I wanted is to tune into the keynote, instead of watching <something else>... but I guess I'll be wa
Re:Where`s the `keynote` (quicktime format!)? (Score:2, Informative)
I guess their new 'RSS'-thing really works well, and decide to do something about my *flame* :-) ... /* doubt it, but one can wish that would be true =) ... no, I think they where going to do the 'freebe', just not in real time ... */
follow the white rabbit [apple.com], alice =)
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf04/ (Score:2)
Re:http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf04/ (Score:2)
I was more looking out for the WWDC (the june-thinge :-))
strange moderation- Links to quicktime (Score:5, Informative)
Anyway here are the working links again..
Quicktime WWDC [apple.com]
or a more direct link [akadns.net]
Anyway I finish watching. Interesting stuff. The system wide search is interesting. Like the google search service for your hard drive.
The the real time image/video effects. I do a lot of photoshop and the effects are really fast and leverage the video card GPU. The libraries will autodetect the card and use the card if applicable. 100+ effect libraries with the os to build into application.
They're working hard on the OS and it shows.
Best joke I've heard in weeks... (Score:4, Funny)
Tiger Server will focus on open source, Windows, and ease of use.
Kinda reminds me of the old joke: Good, cheap and fast, pick any two.
Mobile Home Directories... (Score:5, Funny)
I think I just wet myself. (Score:5, Funny)
Java application middleware (Score:4, Interesting)
There's no argument that these containers are getting a lot of attention (so much so that the latest J2EE spec does what it can to emulate them -- not enough). Apple can win some serious street cred among app server developers by adopting one of these frameworks, enhancing the code, hiring the developers (maybe away from BEA -- hint, hint) and integrating it with X-Code.
And by "lightweight container" I mean Spring, Pico, and, yes, even JBoss (once all the overweight J2EE stuff is tossed). There are others, of course, such as Excalibur, but Spring and Pico have all the mind share. Spring especially, it seems.
While I'm at it, if Apple really wants a piece of the application server space they should endorse Mono with equal vigor. Imagine, a
So there you have it Apple: Proudly ditch the complexity of EJB. Raise the flag of lightweight containers and AOP. Embrace
You're welcome.
Re:Java application middleware (Score:3, Insightful)
Server... (Score:4, Insightful)
In a related note, is it possible to acquire certain server extensions (Blojsom or Jabber for example) and plug them into Tiger proper?
RE: server pricing (Score:5, Insightful)
I've never seen Novell offer a copy of Netware real cheap for home users just wanting to try using it for 1 or 2 workstations.... and Microsoft sure doesn't offer Windows 2003 Server at anything resembling "inexpensive pricing".
I think that's pretty much the reason for the popularity of Unix type open-source OS's in the first place. If you just want to tinker at home, Linux or BSD should do the job for you, and not cost you hundreds of dollars.
Re: windows server pricing (Score:4, Funny)
Re: server pricing (Score:3, Informative)
Servers are the one area where it seems that there is no break for educators, et al. I suppose the potential for someone using it for business applications is too hard to verify.
Re: server pricing (Score:4, Informative)
The 10 client license is $249. There *may* be an even cheaper offer for ADC members.
Re: server pricing (Score:3, Insightful)
Does anyone else find it sinister? (Score:3, Funny)
Very excited by Core Video (Score:4, Interesting)
at the same time I was dissapointed not to see distributed rendering using Xgrid for Apples Pro Video Apps.
Re:Very excited by Core Video (Score:3, Informative)
And it makes a certain amount of sense not to have it in Final Cut. The data transfers seem like it would far outweigh the benefits of the extra processor power without some serious interconnect.
That said, I can't wait for Apple's to actually do it.
Re:Very excited by Core Video (Score:3, Informative)
CoreImage & CoreVideo are rather nice and parallel CoreAudio in many ways from what I have seen so far. Apple is on a strong push to bring in the compute capabilities of modern GPUs for things other then 3D and games, focusing on it as another system compute resource basically. Apple is of course eating its own d
Re:Blogs (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Blogs (Score:5, Insightful)
I mention this as your perspective is the answer to your own question. I take it you are a nerd in high school and see yourself as existing on the fringe of whatever social structure exists at your school and your words indicate you have just made the fundamental realization that the fringe is not a bad place to be as it is where creativity often occurs (and you have also embraced the other half of that change in thinking the fringe is somehow a more powerful position than the mainstream; over time you will realize the validitity-- and necessity-- of both).
I say your perspective is the answer to your question because not everyone wants to make a site that is unique and stands out in terms of form. Many people want something easy to create that stands out in terms of content. Many technically inclined people who struggled endlessly to create unique and interesting websites simply because they had nothing to say. When they finally found something to say, they were more interested in getting their message out there in any form and lost the need for it to look unique and interesting.
The blog represents a tremendous step forward in publishing and pop-culture; a large step for humanity in some sense...
Re:Blogs (Score:5, Insightful)
You can think of it as just a diary. Another way to think of it is as a content management system. With the site I'm playing with at the moment (see my homepage link if interested), I'm not using it as a diary at all. I'm using Blosxom [blosxom.com] and, with plugins provided and created on my own, I'm pretty much using it as a publishing system. I write articles, schedule their publishing date, and pretend people read them :-).
Why do people want something already made for them? Why reinvent the wheel. A good engineer is a lazy engineer. Best to get up and running quickly. Lots of reasons, I should think. For me, the search for the right software took longer than getting the site ready once I found it. Blosxom provides enough easy-to-use customizability that the site looks the way I want it to look.
Blog software is just a tool and a starting point. Take it wherever your imagination lets you.
Re:Blogs (Score:5, Interesting)
with a blog, like with any site worth visiting, the content matters more than the presentation!(as long as the presentation doesn't hide the content of course), the engine that actually pushes out the presentation(generates the html) matters even less to the reader.
why do you suppose that it would be good for people who don't know to code 'roll out their own blog'? why the hell not leverage on other peoples work when it is possible? or you only read blogs about making blogs which is the stupidest blogs out there with empty content like "I'm not sure what to write here now, but it sure is cool, peehoopeee aaall the way baby, I ruule, I wrote my own blog engine".
using the same tools other people use makes some things easier anyways, like migrating to another software later or being able to use tools other people wrote for the software, like j2me posting apps & etc...
Re:Blogs (Score:5, Insightful)
As a method for handling ANY site which needs regular updating, blogs can't be beat.
Of course, make sure to check out manyforms, or do a lucky Google search for it...:o
Re:Blogs (Score:5, Insightful)
It's because people are more interested in using what they see as a new medium to express ideas. They are not interested in the implementation. Why would they write their own when something perfectly good exists that they can use now?
Re:Blogs (Score:2)
Also, don't forget that the three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris.
Re:Dupe... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is their *server* operating system, and generally runs quite nicely without a screen.
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Evan
Re:Darn I just (Score:2)
In fact people seem to have taken to the Panther name, and the features that Panther has to offer over its predecessors. I am not exactly sure why Apple would start the phase out process after only a little more than a year with Panther
Re:Darn I just (Score:2)
Re:Darn I just (Score:2)
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Evan
Re:Finally 64-bit (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Finally 64-bit (Score:4, Informative)
Yeah, it has taken Microsoft FOREVER, especially considering NT 4.0 was a 64bit OS on Alpha back in 1996 - let alone that Windows XP 64bit for Itanium was out in 2001.
Man, Microsoft is really behind the curve here...
It is great Apple is making great roads into the 64bit progression; however, ignorance of Microsoft's advances don't mean that Apple is the leader in this area.
Let alone the various other 64bit OSes that have been around for a while.
Do people really not know this stuff here? I thought this is where intellectual geeks talked about new and exciting concepts. Not praising companies and bashing others for doing the same things.
Oh wait, silly me... (This is the year 2004, and slashdot has turned into geeks and AOL users, that are either new to this stuff or just fan boys/girls of a singular concept or platform without knowing much of the rest of the world)
Re:Finally 64-bit (Score:5, Informative)
Wrong - Windows NT for Alpha/AXP was NOT 64-bit. It used the Alpha's 32-bit mode. This was a well-known issue at the time. (I was working for government environmental monitoring facility at the time, and we had some company come in and demo NT on an AlphaServer for us, so I learned a thing or two about it.)
Also, Microsoft may have internal builds of 64-bit Windows, but no shipping products for IA64 or x86_64 so far. That's right, not one. So yes, MS is very much behind the curve. Linux was 64-bit on Alpha some time ago, for example.
Re:Finally 64-bit (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Finally 64-bit (Score:2)
Re:Groupware, groupware, groupware! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Groupware, groupware, groupware! (Score:3, Informative)
iCal uses WebDAV for publishing calendars, in iCalendar format (defined in a couple of RFCs). OS X Server provides the Apache WebDAV module, allowing this. Windows / *NIX clients can use any standards compliant calendar app (such as Mozilla Calendar).
Address book
Re:ACLs (Score:5, Informative)
ACLs in FreeBSD (and by extension "Tiger") are based on the last public draft of the POSIX.1e document (it was never ratified). The procedure will be the same as is done in Solaris and Linux(?).
chmod [freebsd.org] and chown [freebsd.org] do not affect ACLs; to do that you have to use setfacl [freebsd.org]. When you use ls [freebsd.org] you do not see the extra ACLs, but a '+' character after the traditional permissions. The '+' tells you that ACLs are present; to view them you have to use getfacl [freebsd.org] utility.
Re:ACLs (Score:3, Interesting)
Most of the standard tools like chown/chmod/ls/etc are ACL enabled and aware. The only applications which will have an issue with this are ones that are not ACL aware, AND ones that use a copy/save method which will blow away
Re:ACLs (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, it's called the VFS layer [apple.com] (just as it is on other BSDs - and as it was in SunOS 2.0, which had a VFS layer before Linux existed; the BSD VFS layer is a bit like the one in various SunOS releases, although it's not the same).
Re:ACLs (Score:5, Informative)
I have mod points, but I'd rather reply to this: why did this get moderated "Insightful"? At best, it's flamebait, but I'd rather think troll.
Where have you been the last, um, 10 or 15 years? Can't be bothered to just [google.com] Google [google.com] even for a second [google.com] before going off like this?
I don't pretend to know much about ACLs or their history, but they have been part of many commercial UNIXes for quite some time (first time I came around them was on OSF/1), and they have been implemented semi-recently in Linux and the *BSDs. Samba has had ACL support since the late 2.x days, IIRC. And I have a hunch that Windows NT got it's model from adopting DCE.
So, let's think, what's Apple going to do? Considering that they track FreeBSD 5 closely, and FreeBSD 5 has ACLs [freebsd.org]?
Re:Apple copying shareware again? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Apple copying shareware again? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Apple copying shareware again? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Apple copying shareware again? (Score:3, Insightful)
- LaunchBar: Has got *nothing* to do whatsoever with Spotlight. LaunchBar is a launcher for applications, address book entries, etc. Spotlight is a file metadata indexing and searching tool, like "SmartQueries" in BeOS or somewhat similar to "WinFS" in Longhorn.
- NetNewsWire: as the author of it pointed out, he sees Safari RSS as an *opportunity* for RSS application developers, as it will fur
Re:Tired of Apple Fanboys? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Microsoft had a project Tiger once... (Score:3, Informative)
Hmmm. I haven't heard of anything about it since then.
It is a little program that you might now know as Windows Media Server, and has been a part of the NT platform for several years. It is also built into Windows 2000 and 2003 servers.
We use Windows 2003 as media distribution devices, and have used Windows Servers for this for years now.
Heck even the th