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New Remote Root in Mac OS X

Posted by pudge on Wed Nov 26, 2003 03:39 PM
from the batten-down-the-hatches dept.
Cysgod writes "I've released a security advisory detailing a new remote root vulnerability in Mac OS X 10.3, 10.2 and possibly earlier versions." The main thrust is that it exploits a problem in the DHCP client, to gain root access, and turning off various services can prevent attack. It is unclear why an exploit was made public before Apple resolved the problem. Apple's fix is apparently scheduled for a December release.
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:41PM (#7572285)

    thank goodness iam running Windows

  • Exploitability Questionable (Score:5, Informative)

    by marsipan (641873) * on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:41PM (#7572291)
    (http://marsorange.com/)
    "In most cases, the Mac will need to be booted into the malicious environment to be exploitable by this flaw. (The netinfod process must be restarted to cause the malicious server to be inserted into the authentication source list.)"

    This definitely makes the exploit less likely...
    • Re:Exploitability Questionable (Score:4, Interesting)

      by gl4ss (559668) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:49PM (#7572371)
      (http://--/ | Last Journal: Monday December 09 2002, @05:12PM)
      how about public wlans? is it exploitable in a scenario like that?

      yeah i don't know if they use dhcp or what but i imagine so.

      (i don't have a laptop, thank you very much please give me one)
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      • Re:Exploitability Questionable by Darth Troll (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:54PM
        • Re:Exploitability Questionable (Score:5, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 26 2003, @09:05PM (#7574477)
          Ha, you people are all ignorant.

          If you were a Mac person, you would know that Mac people never shut their laptops down, only put them to sleep. Why go though a slow boot on your iBook when it wakes up as soon as the lid is up?

          As many moderated up quotes from the article tell us, this problem is only a problem when the services are started, which is on boot. Which is not on wake-from-sleep.

          I do not mean to trivialize this hole. To me, it seems obvious why it is there. Apple wants LDAP-enabled, OSX Server managed networks to work out of the box. This includes the ability to mount shares anywhere on the client system, which is insanely powerful and useful in a trusted setup.

          Trusted is, of course, the operative term there. Apple needs to fix this or disable the services by default. People who need it can enable it themselves.
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    • by Vandil X (636030) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:55PM (#7572951)
      In most cases, the Mac will need to be booted into the malicious environment to be exploitable by this flaw.
      In the Windows world, we call this malicious environment "Internet Explorer".
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      • by sharkey (16670) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @09:25PM (#7574542)
        In the Windows world, we call this malicious environment "Internet Explorer".

        Actually, it's just called "explorer". Go ahead and check, I bet you've got this malware running on your Windows PC right now.

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    • Does it not require directory access turned on? by goombah99 (Score:3) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:13PM
    • Re:Exploitability Questionable (Score:5, Informative)

      by moof1138 (215921) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:47PM (#7573343)
      Static automounts from directory services (which are what you need to exploit this) only get mounted at boot, if if certain directory services related processes get restarted that never get restarted in a normal setup, so you really need to boot a machine in a hostile environment for this to affect you. Dynamic automounts will get mouted at each login, but will not be mounted in a dangerous way.

      You can just go into Directory Access and uncheck LDAP and NetInfo to be immune to the issue even if you use DHCP. I always do this. While this guy thinks he is early in reporting this bug, rogue NetInfo servers are not a new thing (though rogue LDAP servers would be more recent). There used to be an article in NextAnswers from the late 80s about how to track them down. I always customized these settings when I first get a OS X system to avoid this very thing.
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    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 26 2003, @08:32PM (#7574358)
      You said: "Maybe so it wouldn't be swept under the carpt, like ALL other Apple security problems."



      Give me a break. That is anything but a true statement, and one born of prejudice. Apple, Microsoft, those hardworking folks making Linux better all recognize that flaws exist in software and work hard to do something about it. Software by nature is large and complex, the product of human efforts. And as such, it will not be perfect. For all the hard work of programmers throughout the world, mistakes will happen. But companies like Apple work hard to correct them quickly. If you develop software like I do, you will understand that you can't just issue a patch and expect the problem to stop. You have to test the patch thoroughly to make sure that it does not create unintended problems of its own. To say that Apple sweeps security flaws under the rug is an insult, not only to Apple, but to any developer that has to correct the problems of an exploit. Save your venom instead for the jerks and script kiddies who are the real problem, not Apple.

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  • Default? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Phroggy (441) * <slashdot3.phroggy@com> on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:41PM (#7572293)
    (http://phroggy.com/)
    and on any network provided service, including ssh (which is turned on by default in certain versions of the affected software).

    I'm not aware that SSH was enabled by default in any version of Mac OS X.
    • Re:Default? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Darth_Foo (608063) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:50PM (#7572381)
      (http://www.angryherb.net/)
      I don't beleive it is in the client versions of OS X but it almost certainly is in OS X Server (which is also subject to the published vulnerability).
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      • Re:Default? by dcocos (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:37PM
      • Re:Default? (Score:5, Informative)

        by nehril (115874) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:41PM (#7572816)
        your OSX server is vulnerable only if it uses DHCP on an untrusted lan. if you're using dhcp for *servers* on an unsecured network.... well then you have more problems than this.

        the exploit as I understand is this: evil dhcp server gives you an IP addr and also an evil LDAP server, which if your mac is configured to do so, will allow the LDAP server to authenticate root level users too (besides other fun admin stuff like mount points).

        this behavior is actually useful for 'lab full of macs)' scenarios and, as I understand, has been an admin 'feature' since the NeXTStep days.

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        • Re:Default? by IM6100 (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @07:48PM
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      • Re:Default? by bash_jeremy (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @11:28PM
    • Re:Default? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Cysgod (21531) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:33PM (#7572726)
      (http://www.carrel.org/)
      Hi there.

      It is important to note that having all your services turned off is *not* protection against this bug.

      The malicious LDAP server also gets to dictate your mountpoints to you. This means malicious executables can be mounted anywhere in your filesystem. Including places where they can be expected to be executed.

      A trivial exploit of this would be to replace the directory with crontabs and set up a crontab and an executable to run as root. Suddenly sshd *is* enabled.

      I'll try to answer other questions as I can. This got posted when I was horseback riding, I submitted it at 9am....
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    • Re:Ummm, no it isn't, fuckface....N/T by WiseWeasel (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:38PM
    • Re:Ummm, no it isn't, fuckface....N/T by Bob Davis, Retired (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @11:51PM
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  • Call me an Apple Apologist, but.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by grub (11606) <slashdot@grub.net> on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:42PM (#7572296)
    (http://www.grub.net/blog/index.html | Last Journal: Wednesday June 27, @08:48AM)

    OK, there's a hole. Still, when Apple (or OpenBSD) have a security hole it's newsworthy rather than just Business As Usual.. unlike other companies which promise security but can't deliver.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:42PM (#7572309)
    Assuming two scenarios:

    1. A home user with dialup, running no external services, with the firewall turned on.

    2. A home user with DSL/CABLE, running behind NAT. And for fun, let's add Airport. Also not running any services, firewall on.

    For the non-technical /. reader, is this vulnerability something to be seriously concerned about?
    • Re:What does this mean to the average home user? by falcon5768 (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:49PM
    • by TheCrazyFinn (539383) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:08PM (#7572526)
      (http://www.mykroft.com/)
      Neither are vulnerable.

      The real worry is folks with an Airport card wandering around with their powerbook.

      The Exploit only works from the same subnet (As it relies on DHCP)
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    • The theoretical risk if you use alot of public or unknown WAP's and can't account for how responsible/evil the owner of the WAP might be (who knows what nefarious acts those public WAP operators providing free broadband are up to...yeah, unlikely) is high as they could get root access and mount a directory with a new crontab that will start up a remote SSH daemon to access your computer with later. Hard to think someone would go through the trouble but you never know nowadays. Apple should have had a fix for this sooner or at least issued a Knowledgebase article.

      The fix is rudimentary, just go into your /Applications/Utilities folder, fire up the "Directory Access", uncheck a couple of boxes (the LDAP and NetInfo services)and you're done. Takes like 10 seconds to do, no reboot required, no other reconfiguration, no problems (under WinBlows, would have taken like 30 minutes of fruitless hunting around and a couple of reboots/patches and reconfiguration afterwards probably). Well, it would have taken 10 seconds if I hadn't already had these two services unchecked b/c some at www.OSXHints.com suggested that disabling unused directory services sped up your startup a little bit.

      If you need configuration information from a LDAP or NetInfo server (ie. at work), you could always create a new Location under your Network system preferences panel and go back to Directory Access, disable the relevant LDAP and NetInfo services on all your other locations except your work location. If you can't trust your work not to try to hack your computer with this exploit, you've got bigger fish to fry.

      For most home/SOHO users who are behind their own home router/firewalls and have otherwise trustworthy family members/roomates/co-inhibitants, this is a non issue (then again, if the people who live with you are trying to hack you are living with you, you have another far greater problems to deal with than this exploit : ). People on a shared subnet (like Cable Modem users) at risk if you're not behind a local/home hardware router/gateway device and someone else on your subnet wants to play "Hack the neighbor's Mac" with this exploit. I think you should be able to trust the DHCP information being handed to you by your DSL provider (again, if you can't then your problems go WAAAAAY beyond this exploit), no big deal. Correct me if I'm wrong but, I'm pretty sure my off the shelf LinkSys router doesn't know what to do with LDAP or NetInfo configuration info handed down by my ISP even if they did hand out any, and it certainly isn't set to pass it through to my internal subnet.

      But then again, what are you thinking NOT being behind at least a inexpensive (they're what, like under $100 now even with 802.11g?) NAT/SPI firewall that's up and running 24/7 regardless of how your computer is configured if you're on Cable Modem or DSL at home?

      In short, a easy fix and not really a problem for most home/SOHO users. You can breath easy now.

      DaveC
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  • by Smitty825 (114634) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:42PM (#7572310)
    (http://www.dansmith.cc/ | Last Journal: Monday August 20 2001, @01:09PM)
    The exploit was made public before the official fix is that Apple had 48 days to fix the issue. Also, by releasing information about the exploit, Apple Sysadmins can make a minor change to their setup to prevent this exploit from occuring...

    Just because the exploit isn't public, doesn't mean that somebody else doesn't know!
    • also there's this timeline of events, which is quite revealing:

      History of this Advisory & Vendor Contact Log
      2003-10-09 Initial version of this advisory
      2003-10-09 Apple Computer notified
      2003-10-09 Apple Computer confirmed receipt and forwarded to eng. team
      2003-10-11 Minor edits, also added "Philosophical Issues" and "Path to Root"
      2003-10-14 Apple Computer assigns specific point of contact
      2003-10-14 Requested confirmation of issue with Apple Computer
      2003-10-15 Apple Computer confirms issue
      (2003-10-24 Original deadline given to Apple for acknowledging issue)
      (2003-10-24 Mac OS X 10.3 is released with this known issue)
      (2003-10-28 Mac OS X 10.3 Security Update released, does not address issue)
      2003-10-28 Requested update of fix status from Apple Computer
      2003-10-28 Apple Computer proposes Nov. 3 fix date
      2003-10-29 Apple Computer reneges on Nov. 3 date
      2003-10-29 Requested fix in "2 or 3 weeks" from Apple Computer
      (2003-11-04 Mac OS X 10.3 Security Update released, does not address issue)
      (2003-11-15 Mac OS X 10.3.1 is released with this known issue)
      2003-11-17 Requested update of fix status from Apple Computer
      2003-11-18 Requested update of fix status from Apple Computer
      (2003-11-19 Mac OS X 10.3.1 Security Update released, does not address issue)
      2003-11-19 Apple Computer replies "scheduled to go out in December's update"
      2003-11-19 Deadline of Nov. 26 given to Apple Computer
      2003-11-25 Minor edits, made "Path to Root" a little more work for the script kiddies
      2003-11-26 Advisory issued (48 days after initial vendor notification)
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      • by GigsVT (208848) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:53PM (#7572411)
        (Last Journal: Saturday June 30, @01:22AM)
        I do agree that's plenty of time, but it's still questionable to release the exploit at this stage. He could have disclosed, and then if Apple downplayed it saying it wasn't exploitable, then released the exploit.
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      • by Greedo (304385) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:24PM (#7572649)
        (http://slashdot.org/~Greedo/journal | Last Journal: Thursday February 12 2004, @10:27AM)
        I have to say, I looked down that timeline as well and thought "Well, at least Apple is looking into the problem and has given a timeframe for an update (December)."

        Then, 5 days before December, they release the advisory.

        I don't think it's unreasonable for Apple to take some time confirming the exploit, and planning an update. Remember when they released an update that broke things?

        I *do* think it's unreasonable for Carrel to demand deadlines to Apple ... or anyone, really ... to fix their stuff. Especially when Carrel knows it's going to be fixed. Not much better than blackmail, if you ask me.
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        • by ZxCv (6138) * on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:34PM (#7572735)
          (http://www.edmunds.com/)
          I don't think it's unreasonable for Apple to take some time confirming the exploit, and planning an update. Remember when they released an update that broke things?

          This exploit would take any qualified engineer at Apple less than a day to confirm, and it is serious enough that it shouldn't have to wait for a 10.x.z update to be fixed (and, in fact, 10.3 and 10.3.1, as well as in independent security update have all been released since Apple was notified of this issue). Any way that the entire system can be compromised remotely should be fixed immediately. Apple has released a few security updates that were completely independent of a whole system update, and they should have done exactly that in this case.

          I love OS X, but this is completely unacceptable. I'm just glad my Macs don't use dhcp.
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          • by burns210 (572621) <maburns@gmail.com> on Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:25PM (#7573171)
            (http://mike.isfound.at/ | Last Journal: Thursday March 30 2006, @07:53PM)
            but ssh and all services are turned off by default, so even if you get an IP from a malicious DHCP server, and they use the exploit, they can't login remotely to do anything. So unless the services have been turned on by the user, the security whole is, to an extent, moot. and should be fixed, but not panicked about.
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          • by valmont (3573) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @07:32PM (#7574045)
            (http://ibbydev.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Monday September 20 2004, @06:11PM)

            The mere fact that it should be fixed immediately does not at all mean that Apple MUST just quickly hack something together and just release it to the public.

            Guess what, in theory, all computers SHOULD IMMEDIATELY be secure out of the box and never ever require any patch. But this is real life. not utopia.

            I have yet to see a tested, reliable proposed patch for this vulnerability at the open-source darwin resources. My guess is it is far from being a trivial fix, and chances are Apple wants to thoroughly test it before releasing it.

            All Carrel is doing is demanding a deadline that was different from what Apple told him. He could have very-well just waited another month before releasing his advisory. Chances of someone else finding out about it on their own *and* managing to slither their way onto vulnerable subnets, write and execute an exploit, all this within, say, at most 30 days from the day this story popped-up and the latest possible day in december, are fucking slim to none. It is also NOT like this vulnerability would allow a script writer to write a worm that could quickly spread to the internet. Sure, entire subnets could be affected at a time, but the exploit would remain WITHIN the subnet, spreading it out to other networks would require sending email viruses or other stupid PEBKAC-based annoyances. Oh and the victim machine has to be initiating a dhcp request for it to get owned, which typically only happens at boot/startup time, or connection/disconnection. I can see laptop on large corporate networks being vulnerable, but again, a malicious machine would have to make its way INSIDE the network: it needs to live within 802.11b/g range and/or local hub. The offending machine could very easily be traced and its owner hung by the balls.

            Yes Apple reneged on their original deadline, chances are they had good reason and were trying to address that botched 10.2.8 release to have a stable base system to release another security patch on. As long as they communicate timeline information back to him, they clearly are NOT giving him the run-around. December is not unreasonable provided what we get is a stable, reliable fix. Confirming a vulnerability can be a far fucking cry from having a successful patch implemented and released, if the fix for the vulnerability is not trivial. For example, a mere buffer-overflow vulnerability in a piece of C code is typically a trivial fix. Revamping DHCP is not necessarily.

            Does Carrel's advisory offer a code fix to the Darwin Core? NO it doesn't. Has the potential issue of rogue evil Netinfo servers been around for a while? YES IT HAS.

            Some geeks should consider getting laid [fleshlight.com] once in a while and resist the amazing trepidations of unleashing a juicy piece of information that'll quench a lifetime's worth karma-whoring lust.

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          • Re:The Reason the exploit was made public.. by moof1138 (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @11:24PM
        • Re:The Reason the exploit was made public.. by druske (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:48PM
        • Re:The Reason the exploit was made public.. by mkettler (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:54PM
        • Re:The Reason the exploit was made public.. by arkanes (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:02PM
        • Re:The Reason the exploit was made public.. by groomed (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @09:31PM
        • One man's "blackmail"... by Zhe Mappel (Score:3) Friday November 28 2003, @03:43PM
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      • Re:The Reason the exploit was made public.. by mkoz (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @09:19PM
    • Re:The Reason the exploit was made public.. by 0x0d0a (Score:3) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:58PM
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  • Watch out Bill (Score:3, Funny)

    by bodin (2097) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:43PM (#7572313)
    (http://x42.com/)
    Apple are about to catch up on Microsoft!
  • Damn (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JHromadka (88188) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:44PM (#7572318)
    (http://www.treocentral.com/)
    It seems pretty irresponsible to release details on an exploit when the vendor has already acknowledged the issue and has a date planned on when to release the fix. Now if Apple was ignoring them, that would have been a different story.
    • Re:Damn by mrsev (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:52PM
    • Re:Damn by MrPink2U (Score:3) Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:56PM
      • Re:Damn by dema (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:58PM
      • Re:Damn by valmont (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @07:48PM
        • Re:Damn by valmont (Score:2) Friday November 28 2003, @04:35PM
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    • Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:00PM
    • Re:Damn by venom600 (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:06PM
    • I think Microsoft owns a part of Apple by Fighting.Cephalopod (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:39PM
    • Re:Damn by MrPink2U (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:05PM
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  • Making rounds (Score:4, Interesting)

    by somethinghollow (530478) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:45PM (#7572325)
    (http://robertdot.org/ | Last Journal: Friday January 23 2004, @06:02PM)
    Looks like this guy is making the rounds. A more detailed post is at MacSlash [macslash.org]. The highlight of conversation there is "Root is disabled by default, and SSH is off by default. Therefore the default settings don't make you vulnerable."

    Apparently, it took 48 days from the time he informed Apple until now. Looks like he was itching to post something. There's his 15 minutes of fame.
  • My turn to karma-whore by McDutchie (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:45PM
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  • Vulnerability Text (Already running slow) by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:45PM
  • What is telling (Score:4, Informative)

    by Space cowboy (13680) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:45PM (#7572331)
    (Last Journal: Friday April 27 2007, @02:20PM)
    is that this is news. Ok, it's not a vanilla BSD, but it is based on BSD, which has a fantastic record on security. What will be interesting to find out is where the bug came from - Apple or some third party ...

    I'm pretty sure it was Apple that could boast of no exploits against them (this was OS9 days). Sad to see that go, if it's true. Any unix-os is a friend of mine :-)

    Simon
  • Nothing is infallible (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Coryoth (254751) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:49PM (#7572369)
    (http://jedidiah.stuff.gen.nz/wp/ | Last Journal: Wednesday April 04 2007, @02:51PM)
    So, we have yet another security hole. No surprises there - they will come up eventually. It sounds as if the patching is reasonably prompt (though next month doesn't sounds that fast - hopefully that means it is well tested and it won't break anything like MS patches can). Ultimately though, we don't see many holes for MacOS X. Yes, I'm sure they exist, but they are a lot less frequent than some.

    For instance, there's still this [theregister.co.uk] unpatched hole in IE that MS doesn't seem inclined to do much about right now. So much for their "on average a patch in 24 hours" policy they were claiming. Looks like they'll get their patch out around the same time Apple does. I guess we hope that means that they've tested it this time...

    Jedidiah
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  • What is the fix? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by stefanb (21140) * on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:50PM (#7572383)
    (http://www.transit.hanse.de/)
    I'm not sure I fully understand the problem, but it appears to me that the defaults of just accepting information from DHCP for authentication and authorization are wong; not necessarily any piece of software. (It is debateble whether the very possibility of obtaining such information from DHCP is such a bad idea that the option should not be offered at all.)

    Obviously, the fix is not quite so easy: instead of just updating a binary or two, Apple needs to devise a program/an advisory that will alert users to the problem, and that also makes sure people don't shoot themselves in the foot (turn option off, suddently you can't log in anymore).

    Devising such a thing, and testing it in a wide variety of environments will take time, so I wouldn't blame Apple for "reacting slowly" just yet.

    • Re:What is the fix? by burns210 (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:12PM
    • Re:What is the fix? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Glock27 (446276) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:19PM (#7573131)
      They're not fixes, but there are some fairly easy workarounds:

      Workarounds
      There are a variety of avenues to avoiding this vulnerability...

      1. Disable any network authorization services from obtaining settings from DHCP:

      * in Directory Access, select LDAPv3 in the Services tab, click "Configure...", uncheck "Use DHCP-supplied LDAP Server"

      * in Directory Access, select NetInfo in the Services tab, click "Configure...", uncheck "Attempt to connect using broadcast protocol" and "Attempt to connect using DHCP protocol"

      * in Directory Access, uncheck LDAPv3 and NetInfo in the Services tab, if you don't intend to use them

      2. Turning off DHCP on all interfaces on your affected Mac OS X machine can also keep you from being affected.

      For added security, be sure to disable any unused network ports:

      * turn the AirPort card off or remove it, if it is not being used.

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  • by bdigit (132070) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:51PM (#7572385)
    ..then why are we posting a link to it and making it even more public?
  • by Onan (25162) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:51PM (#7572386)
    Apple has essentially made the design choice to default to a system which trusts the local dhcp server. Which is problematic much of the time, but convenient if you'd like to just unbox a new shipment of macs for your lab and plug them in, without needing any further client-side config.

    This means that the dhcp server can provide authoritative information about anything ldap handles, including user accounts. So Mallory can use a rogue dhcp server to give herself a root account on your system.

    But unless I'm mistaken, the default configuration still doesn't allow her to do anything with it. sshd and afpd are turned off by default, so even having a root account doesn't get you anything unless you physically sit down at the box and log in locally.

    I think I'd prefer that the system defaulted to not trusting other hosts for anything beyond network numbers, but I don't think that issue will lead immediately to a rash of rooted osx machines.

  • People post Windows exploits immediatley by DaveCBio (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:52PM
  • Slashdotting to the rescue! (Score:5, Funny)

    by SuperBanana (662181) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:55PM (#7572435)
    It is unclear why an exploit was made public before Apple resolved the problem

    Slashdotting to the rescue! Apple has at least a few more hours now.

  • Good News? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by KrizDog (95871) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:56PM (#7572441)
    Now I can finally login as root on OSX. Considering all my friends running OsX have no idea what their root password is, or for that matter what root is, this seems like a blessing.
    • Re:Good News? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Jesrad (716567) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:09PM (#7572531)
      (Last Journal: Friday October 24 2003, @09:55AM)
      Root account is disabled by default. Apple has chosen to make the users do all administrative tasks via sudo instead, which makes sense in the case of your clueless friends.
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      • Re:Good News? by debrain (Score:3) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:01PM
        • Re:Good News? (Score:4, Insightful)

          by brianosaurus (48471) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:45PM (#7573331)
          (http://www.brianosaurus.org/)
          Subtle difference:

          if you log in as root, no one knows who you really are. if you "sudo bash", that command gets logged, and its still possible to determine who you really are.

          personally I try to avoid using "sudo bash", because its too easy to screw something up when you're root. but sometimes I get lazy.
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    • Re:Good News? by pi radians (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:11PM
    • Re:Good News? by hondo77 (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:13PM
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    • Re:Good News? by kwerle (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:14PM
      • Re:Good News? by AKnightCowboy (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:59PM
        • Re:Good News? by kwerle (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:14PM
    • Re:Good News? by WildBill1941 (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:43PM
  • bigger problem (Score:3, Insightful)

    by kaan (88626) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:57PM (#7572447)
    Let's assume that somebody is sitting outside of my apartment with all of this wireless hijacking configured, and we'll further assume that I've got all of the exact configurations required for my machine to be vulnerable. One would presume that this person is after the data in my machine, or wants to cause problems for me. Why else would they be trying to break in and gain root access? (btw, don't I need to have enabled the root account for this person to get root access, since root is not enabled on OS X by default?)

    I might be going out on a limb here, but I would venture to say that there's a much bigger threat because the dude could just kick my door down and take my entire computer away with him. Then he can have all my data, and all of my applications, and my hardware too. Meanwhile, some other loser nerd is still mucking around trying to get this "hack" to work, but the guy who jacked me is walking away with my machine.

    I understand this security issue is a threat and all, but I just don't see why anyone should be overly concerned. People seem to come up with scary stories like this about all kinds of things, hyping the facts up to make it seem like everyone who owns a Mac today is going to have a nerd take over their machine and steal all of their stuff. It reminds me of the pains people will go to in order to "secure" their machines, but then do something completely insecure like walk away from their desk for 10 minutes without password-protecting their machine.
    • Re:bigger problem (Score:4, Insightful)

      by freeweed (309734) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:06PM (#7572516)
      I might be going out on a limb here, but I would venture to say that there's a much bigger threat because the dude could just kick my door down and take my entire computer away with him.

      Person breaks into your place, steals your computer. You know about it, you can call the cops. You can also change bank account info, credit cards, passwords, or any other information you might keep on your computer (they're used for more than just porn, ya know :).

      Someone hacks in remotely, you have no clue it happened. They can do what they want, when they want, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:bigger problem by ChiperSoft (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:10PM
    • Re:bigger problem by venom600 (Score:3) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:11PM
    • Re:bigger problem by jmike (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:29PM
    • Re:bigger problem by glorf (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:38PM
    • Root may not be enabled by default, but... by MyDixieWrecked (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:02PM
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  • why? (Score:5, Funny)

    by silicongodcom (241132) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:00PM (#7572473)
    "It is unclear why an exploit was made public before Apple resolved the problem."

    no SCO news!
  • Local insecurity by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:04PM
    • Re:Local insecurity (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Commykilla (107585) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:12PM (#7572552)
      (http://www.inseattle.org/)
      If you have physical access to a machine, security is compromised anyway. You can rip out the hard drive and take/modify the bits by force if you want. If the machine is locked in a box, then you can't reboot it without being root, so the exploit doesn't work and you're still safe.
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    • Re:Local insecurity by Jesrad (Score:3) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:18PM
    • Re:Local insecurity by zulux (Score:3) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:30PM
    • Just use an Open Firmware password. (Score:5, Informative)

      by netsrek (76063) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:38PM (#7572789)
      (http://explanatorygap.net/)
      Set an Open Firmware password on your machine.

      You will then need to enter this password to enter single user mode or boot from a CD.

      Note that this still doesn't fully secure your machine unless it's physically secured, as someone can simply reset the OF password by changing the amount of RAM in the machine, then zapping the PRAM.

      Makes securing a powerbook pretty much impossible, but otherwise...
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    • Re:Local insecurity (Score:5, Informative)

      by dirkx (540136) <dirkx@vangulik.org> on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:44PM (#7572849)
      (http://www.webweaving.org/)
      This seems to only affect machines which did not come through an upgrade path from 10.1 or before; but had Panther instaleld on them cleanly.

      The solution is documented in /etc/ttys, simply change the secure of the console to a insecure:

      If the console is marked insecure, single-user requires the root password. Since DirectoryServices is not running by the time we enter single-user mode, init will ask for the non-shadow crypt password stored for root in /etc/master.passwd. If no such password exists, it will not be possible to enter single-user mode from a console marked insecure.
      I.e. The lines you want to edit is/are (with sudo vi /etc/ttys):

      console "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" vt100 on insecure

      console "/System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Cont ents/MacOS/loginwindow" vt100 on insecure onoption="/usr/libexec/getty std.9600"

      Given that you propably still want to be able to log in if you have to - you propably also want to do:

      netinfo or other default passwd: sudo passwd root

      default passwd file used during early boot stages sudo passwd -i file root

      Note that in most cases you want to change both.

      Dw

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    • Re:Local insecurity (Score:5, Informative)

      by stefanb (21140) * on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:48PM (#7572881)
      (http://www.transit.hanse.de/)
      Hold down Command-S while starting up the machine.
      Open Firmware Password [apple.com] is a little utility that will set up the password for Open Firmware, which you could also do from the Open Firmware prompt (Cmd-Opt-O-F).

      Once set, you cannot boot from anything but the default startup disk. Also you need to enter the root password to enter single-user. (If root is enabled.)

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    • Re:Local insecurity by dr.badass (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @06:20PM
    • Re:Local insecurity by gerardrj (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @09:01PM
    • Re:Local insecurity by supertsaar (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:18PM
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  • Here's a mirror (Score:3, Informative)

    by EvilStein (414640) <spam@@@pbp...net> on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:06PM (#7572514)
    (http://www.pbp.net/)
    http://www.pbp.net/~jnichols/dhcp-vuln.html

    Link for the extra-lazy: here
    • Whoops by EvilStein (Score:3) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:08PM
  • I say we take off and.. by cutecub (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:17PM
  • Reason for release of info (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Todd Knarr (15451) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:19PM (#7572609)
    (http://www.silverglass.org/)

    I suspect the reason why this info was released was simple: Apple went and released the 10.3 upgrade with a known remote-root vulnerability in it after having acknowledged the existence of the vulnerability.

    To me, knowing that this vulnerability exists would be critical. I don't run a Mac, but I attach to possibly hostile networks routinely. Normally I can firewall my machine to block attacks, but I can't firewall off DHCP and still use the network. Were I using a Mac and OSX, I'd very much want to know that I needed to take immediate steps to avoid giving someone the keys to my machine just by plugging in at the local coffee house.

    Release of this information may constitute a problem for Apple, and may mean a lot of fast work for OSX users. Not releasing it, though, would mean a lot more work for OSX users who get their machines rooted, and a lot more work for the rest of us who have to fend off attacks and other crud routed through those rooted boxes.

  • Background info (Score:5, Insightful)

    by krisbrowne42 (549049) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:21PM (#7572627)
    This is hardly a vulnerability, it's an ease of access feature that NeXT people have known about for almost a decade. The idea of this is, you take a computer out of the box, put it on your network, and it's working. Everything configured, users setup, etc. That should probably be shipped off by default, but I can understand the way they've done it in the past. It should also be noted that unless you've got a OS X server floating around, physical access to the network and management access to the existing DHCP server, this would be awefully hard to exploit.
  • Why it was made public (Score:4, Insightful)

    by siphoncolder (533004) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:23PM (#7572647)
    (http://slashdot.org/)

    "It is unclear why an exploit was made public before Apple resolved the problem. Apple's fix is apparently scheduled for a December release."

    • Because I hate [company] for making software that allows this to happen, they need to be taught a lesson.
    • Because they're not releasing it quickly enough - Open Source software is superior, because it would be released ASAP, usually same day, and [company] doesn't.
    • Because I hate [company], period, they sux.
  • We've got Bastille Linux [bastille-linux.org] working on OS X 10.2.x. Within a couple weeks, we'll have 10.3.x support. We could prevent exploitation of this vulnerability (on systems running sshd) by disabling network authentication systems from getting data by DHCP.

    If this is interesting to you, please join our mailing list and/or e-mail me via jay AT bastille HYPHEN linux DOT org.

  • why? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by fudgefactor7 (581449) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:49PM (#7572888)
    (Last Journal: Thursday November 29, @08:33AM)
    "It is unclear why an exploit was made public before Apple resolved the problem.

    Dude this happens almost every time. It doesn't matter the vendor, if it's MS, Oracle, RedHat, or Apple...no matter. Exploit warnings always preceed the patch. It's how it is.
  • Why the exploit was released by greygent (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:56PM
  • Is this a quick fix? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by braines (723956) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:58PM (#7572973)
    (http://braines.bounceme.net/ | Last Journal: Wednesday May 19 2004, @05:08AM)
    If I set Directory Access (located in the Utilities folder) to authenticate against 'local directory' rather than 'Automatic' then I am safe right? If this really is the case, could someone please make this work around explicitly clear so that all the iMac Users of the world can do it (and yes I know they don't have ssh up and running anyways but, just incase...)
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  • Show-boating, grand-standing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by macdaddy (38372) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:00PM (#7572985)
    (http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Monday January 31 2005, @05:48PM)
    IMHO this guy is show-boating. It is not unreasonable for an operating system company to take a non-critical but serious bug and spend 1.5 months developing and testing a fix. How many times have we seen a vendor rush to fix something only to seriously break things by not testing the fix thoroughly? Do we really want them to break something else? This isn't a minor piece of software like an FTP server where a security hole can be fixed in a morning, tested in an afternoon, and release the next day. I contend that even a piece of software as complex as Sendmail can be fixed and tested in a small amount of time and is really a minor piece of the puzzle when you're talking about an entire operating system.

    This exploit means nothing to very little the average user simply because no remote services are enabled by default. I'm using a 10.2.8 box right this minute and I had to enable Remote Login and Personal File Sharing.

    I really don't know where to start talking when it comes to the idiocy of releasing an exploit, not just a proof of concept, prior to the vendor releasing a fix. Apple wasn't dragging their heels. The whole timeframe is under 1.5 months. It is certainly not unreasonable to expect their programmers to spend time working on a bug fix. Hell the development cycle alone is more than a month if not two. So they didn't make the November 3 date. That's less than a month from the date the bug was reported. That's no surprise. I'd hate to rush a fix out that fast too. So the 10.3 Security Update and 10.3.1 Security Updates didn't fix it. Does he not realize that they were in the pipeline for testing back at the beginning of October? They aren't going to insert another code change in the middle of testing.

    IMHO this guy is show-boating, grand-standing, and showing that he has unreasonable expectations. The security vulnerability isn't that great. It's a hole, yes. It's not nearly as serious as a security hole in IE in which ALL IE installations are affected by "default." I think this guy should seriously be flogged for releasing an exploit at the same time as the advisory. That's just plain ridiculous. IMHO that alone speaks wonders about this guy. It's idiotic acts like this that seriously make me wonder about full disclosure. Anyhow, I've said my piece. Move along.

  • Tech TV by wangotango (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:13PM
    • Re:Tech TV by wangotango (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @07:16PM
  • AUTHOR: FAQs answered (Score:5, Informative)

    by Cysgod (21531) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:16PM (#7573109)
    (http://www.carrel.org/)
    Thought I'd field some of the more mentioned questions and misconceptions here...

    Is my machine safe if I have the root account "turned off"?
    No. The account attacking can be uid 0 and have any other name in the universe that is a valid account name.

    Is my machine safe if I have all remote access services "turned off"?
    *NO*, and please quit saying it is. This exploit allows malicious people full control of where things are mounting on your system. They can mount malware anywhere. Including places that can virtually guarantee executiong of their target code. For example, an attacker could cause their evil data to be mounted in place of crontabs and have their fake root's crontab point to an evil executable mounted there or somewhere else.

    Why did you release this when you did?
    This was an exploitable remote root vulnerability. After Apple reneged on the Nov. 3rd release date I gave them 2-3 weeks. After the 2-3 weeks were up, I asked for the status and they said "December". Meanwhile, users are left exposed and independent rediscovery seemed fairly likely. And maybe by someone less scrupulous than myself. I felt I was being strung along and that the issue may never get properly addressed so I set a hard deadline at that point. They didn't meet it, and I issued my advisory.

    It would not be fair of me to let Mac users hang out in the breeze for more than 2 months on an issue of this magnitude. You may disagree, but I have no regrets about my actions and feel that I was more than fair to Apple Computer and its users.

    (As I mentioned in a previous post, I was out horseback riding by the time /. got around to finally posting the article. Sorry it has taken me so long to respond.)
    • Mod +1 Informative by Fighting.Cephalopod (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @06:28PM
    • Re:AUTHOR: FAQs answered (Score:5, Informative)

      by Wanker (17907) * on Wednesday November 26 2003, @07:35PM (#7574064)
      Kudos to you for handling this very responsibly. Despite the attention-grabbing comment by pudge [pudge.net], you followed the policy he linked to [wiretrip.net] quite nicely.

      It doesn't seem to me at all unclear "why an exploit was made public before Apple resolved the problem". In fact this seems very clear in what you wrote:

      After Apple reneged on the Nov. 3rd release date I gave them 2-3 weeks. After the 2-3 weeks were up, I asked for the status and they said "December". Meanwhile, users are left exposed and independent rediscovery seemed fairly likely.


      The wiretrip policy linked above is quite clear on how long to give a vendor ("maintainer") to come up with a fix:

      B. The MAINTAINER has 5 work days respond. Note that all times of work days are relative to the ORIGINATOR, not the MAINTAINER. Suggestion to the MAINTAINER: sooner is better than later--just because you have 5 days does not mean you need to take them all. The ORIGINATOR is technically free to do whatever they want to do after 5 work days--however, they should be fair and wait if the MAINTAINER shows adequate initiative to fix the ISSUE.


      This is clarified a bit on what it means to "respond" in the FAQ section:

      Q. I'm a software maintainer, and I can't possibly fix the problem in 5 days....
      A. You don't have to. If you (re)read the above, you have 5 days to establish communication. Provided you cooperate with the researcher and keep them 'in the loop', they should provide you with whatever time necessary to resolve the ISSUE (within fair reason).

      Q. I'm a software maintainer, and I want more than 5 days!
      A. Well, considering that, in general, you don't have *anything* technically, this document hopes to provide you with at least 5. Be on your best behavior, cooperate with the ORIGINATOR, and you should get more. :)


      According to policy, you would have been OK (if somewhat rude) releasing this after 5 work days from initial contact. Extending it through 48 calendar days and several patch cycles seems extraordinarily generous.

      I wouldn't feel at all bad about the timeline followed. If anything it shows remarkable restraint.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:AUTHOR: FAQs answered by MacTroll (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @07:56PM
    • Re:AUTHOR: FAQs answered by ziggyboy (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @06:44PM
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  • subnet exploit ?! (Score:4, Informative)

    by didiken (93521) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:21PM (#7573142)
    (http://fleur.hk/)
    Remote exploit ? Can you say subnet exploit ?! Victim gotta have DHCP and SSH turned on. So not a default client installation exploit.

    You MAY say MacOS X Server got SSH turned on so will be vulnerable, but you must enter a static IP address at the system setup, that means you've no DHCP options unless you manually change it to DHCP later at "System Preference". By the way, if you do use DHCP to hand out server IP address you deserve to get rooted.

    Anyway I get enough laugh out of some amateur security people today. Movie at 11.
  • Wholly unacceptable by jjeffrey (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:31PM
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  • Damn by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @05:33PM
    • Re:Damn by Steve Cowan (Score:3) Wednesday November 26 2003, @06:01PM
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  • No panic, just reconfigure (Score:5, Informative)

    by ApocryphX (554288) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @06:19PM (#7573595)
    Just in case anybody missed it: the solution is easy!
    Just open the Directory Access tool and deselect:

    LDAPv3, NetInfo, SLP

    done!

    I.M.H.O., Apple made the same mistake as MS in this case: Enable everything in case someone might need it. And don't worry about the bad guys ......
  • I had no idea this crap was turned on - by marcmac (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @07:11PM
  • what's unclear? by KalvinB (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @07:15PM
  • It Maybe the Least of Their Problems! by rocker_wannabe (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @08:08PM
  • Yeah, Happy Holidays, asshole. by Enahs (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @09:03PM
  • I remember this guy. by ITR81 (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @11:03PM
    • Re:I remember this guy. (Score:5, Informative)

      by Cysgod (21531) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @11:34PM (#7575084)
      (http://www.carrel.org/)
      I've been pretty low-key about this until today, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'd be very interested to see links to the comments you refer to.

      I may have reason to believe that the seeded copies of 10.3.2 are, in fact, still vulnerable to this bug by default. But I can't say for sure because if I did know for sure, that would mean that someone violated their NDA and that would be bad news for someone. Live in fear of Apple Legal.

      It's not a real happy conundrum. I found out one week ago that Apple was planning to release in December after having previously agreed in principle to a date sometime in November. I felt that I was being strung along like a ball of yarn, but I didn't want to be unreasonable so I gave them 1 more week. They never replied and cut off all contact with me. And here we are.

      And FWIW, since it's been mentioned, I'm not an Apple hater, I love my PowerBook. :-) Thanks for writing.
      [ Parent ]
  • 10.3.2 update thus far is only Panther update. by ITR81 (Score:1) Wednesday November 26 2003, @11:11PM
  • by inimcus (554859) on Thursday November 27 2003, @12:09AM (#7575211)
    I can see the reason for some of the advisory, but not the part where they tell people how to exploit it. If I were Apple, I would be furious about this. Apple told them when they would have a patch. Sure they should have given a general overview of the exploit, and how to defend against it, but to post how to do it is irresponsible.
  • Newsflash: Networks are non-secure. Sky is falling by pelorus (Score:1) Thursday November 27 2003, @11:44AM
  • William Carrell by Alexander (Score:2) Thursday November 27 2003, @01:48PM
  • LDAP and Netinfo binding via Airport. by dmdimon (Score:1) Thursday November 27 2003, @02:12PM
  • Why did it take so long?? by stry_cat (Score:1) Thursday November 27 2003, @04:34PM
  • Apple's response (Score:3, Informative)

    by stefanb (21140) * on Thursday November 27 2003, @07:25PM (#7579419)
    (http://www.transit.hanse.de/)
    Looks like Apple finally put up an article at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=324 78 [apple.com]

    Salient quote:

    Learn how to configure the Directory Access feature to protect your Mac from a malicious DHCP server.

    DISCUSSION

    Please note that the exploit requires the malicious DHCP server to be located on your local subnet. For typical home network configurations with a broadband (DSL or cable service) modem and a NAT (Network Address Translation) device, such as Apple's Airport, this exploit is not possible.

    [...]

    If your Mac is configured to use a directory service consult with your IT administrator before changing any settings.

  • Not a true remote exploit by homesteader (Score:1) Friday November 28 2003, @04:15AM
  • Workaround. by ITR81 (Score:1) Friday November 28 2003, @03:15PM
  • Unclear? by rixstep (Score:1) Saturday November 29 2003, @07:51PM
  • Re:And now the question of support... by johnpaul191 (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:46PM
  • Re:And now the question of support... by falcon5768 (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:46PM
  • Re:And now the question of support... (Score:3, Informative)

    by llf4nlp (665478) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:48PM (#7572359)
    Apple is on record saying they will provide security fixes for all versions of OS X. In some cases, the press has not caught up with this fact.
    [ Parent ]
    • CNET article by green pizza (Score:3) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:57PM
    • Re:source by llf4nlp (Score:2) Wednesday November 26 2003, @04:28PM
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  • Re:And now the question of support... (Score:5, Informative)

    by tgibbs (83782) on Wednesday November 26 2003, @03:50PM (#7572379)
    Even more unclear is which releases of Mac OS X Apple plans to continute to release security fixes for...

    Yes, all we have to go on is Apple's past record of continuing to provide security fixes for previous versions of OS X and OS 9.

    [ Parent ]
  • Re:Apple KBase article by llf4nlp (Score:1) Friday November 28 2003, @11:00AM
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